Cygwin is a 'userland', an interface and set of binaries and tools that the user goes through to communicate with the kernel. Similary, the userland ported from FreeBSD that was grafted into OS X is a userland, not an OS. The kernel of OS X is not a BSD. You state as much in your reply.
Interix, which I cited, is a better parallel, since Interix is a POSIX subsystem that talks directly to the NT kernel, while Cygwin talkes through a Win32 DLL and hence through the Win32 subsystem.
Netscape tried to take over a 'standard' and dominate said standard. They tried to take it proprietary enough that no other entity would be able to enter the market.
I can 'switch to a BSD system' just as much a BSD system as yours by installing Cygwin or (better) Interix on an NT box.
You're not running a BSD system. You shouldn't rely on Apple marketing bullet points nearly as much as you must.
Your mysticism about Windows systems is showing. You should focus on discussing whatever OS you understand best. Seems it's not MacOS X or Windows. Are you a former Atari user or an Amiga enthusiast?
I suggest that we, as a country, conduct ourselves in such a manner that not everyone wants to see us dead.
That sounds like a good idea, but where will we get that many burkhas to cover all our women? And remember, we gave them a lot of rights that would be hard to take away.
Anything less wouldn't please the noisiest and most destructive wing of the 'terrorists' (okay, we can call them 'freedom fighters' and gloss over the burkha issue...)
The point you're refusing to acknowledge is that there's no 'magic bullet' security just because somebody is on a Mac. 'What more can you ask them to do?' needs to be turned around and people who administer public MacOS boxes need to ask what they should be doing, and if there are things they should be doing differently.
Cool. So now that the Mac users are properly trained, all that is needed is a local exploit (it can run in pure userland space, remember) that pops up a dialogue asking for the Root password.
The Mac user will happily comply. Sounds like a truly GREAT exploit waiting to happen.
That's great. So I can write terminal apps for a MacOS X machine and revel in the confidence that all the way down to the silicon it's 'revealed' source.
I guess all that's needed now is a curses port (or is it already preinstalled?) to write fabulous GUI apps for Mac Users.
Wow. Maybe we should tell everybody that all their problems will be solved by stripping their W2K boxes back to SP1. It couldn't have been any problem unique to your system, after all.
'Uninstalling back' is a really bad idea on a Windows system. Your admission that you engage in such practices identifies you as someone who probably tweaks your systems into problems by meddling with them.
If you like that sort of tweaking and tuning fun, you should switch to Linux or one of the BSD OSes, where it's more fruitful.
Slackware also runs fine on older hardware. But I'm running NetBSD on one of my 486 laptops.
Someday I should run Minix on the Kaypro, but it would be such a limited Minix on that hardware. Minux runs great on an old 386sx laptop, but all the good newer Minux stuff is stunted if run on the old 16 bit hardware.
Why is it that old people think they are smarter than you just because they are old?
To the contrary. I remember how smart I was back when I was in my early twenties. Certainly much smarter than I could ever be today. I knew almost everything about any topic, and had an opinion always at hand.
Yep.
(a bunch of 40+ types are probably nodding after reading this comment)
I always check off the 'No Karma Bonus' because I figure it's somebody else's job to moderate up comments.
And I see a hell of a lot of drivel posted with the +1 by people who toe the party line but don't have a lot upstairs.
Find me a bunch of EEs with the skills to operate a Fab who want to move to Costa Rica or Vietnam, or Zimbabwe. Mud farmers can't be retrained with a 2 month course.
There are cultures that promote skilled artisans from within, and there are cultures that don't. Ireland is in the former category.
And then there's the political infrastructure. Investors won't put money toward a billion dollar fab in a country that is going to nationalize the whole thing on a whim.
I used to run six sessions of the X version of Doom in X Window frames simultaneously. On my 486 with 16 megs of RAM. That was hardware just adequate to run one session of Doom on MS_DOS.
Well, I have a 360K floppy and a ten meg hard drive in my Kaypro Portable.
So there.
To stay on-topic (with some thread drift) the idea that Microsoft considers this the minimum hardware required for their flagship OS at that point in the future scares the hell out of me, considering that a Linux desktop with similar performance at this point requires MORE horsepower than the equivalent MS desktop, and probably still will.
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Under the current German administration, it's suprising they aren't simply proposing that the EU join China.
A lot of us block all display of graphics from images.slashdot.org and do without all the pithy little bitmaps. It works pretty good.
I'm not sure I could endure a world without Mozilla any longer.
CDs are Roasted, not baked.
That's got to be the weakest and most obscure analogy I've heard in a long time.
You should look into CP/M. It has even fewer worms or viruses.
You missed my point entirely.
Cygwin is a 'userland', an interface and set of binaries and tools that the user goes through to communicate with the kernel. Similary, the userland ported from FreeBSD that was grafted into OS X is a userland, not an OS. The kernel of OS X is not a BSD. You state as much in your reply.
Interix, which I cited, is a better parallel, since Interix is a POSIX subsystem that talks directly to the NT kernel, while Cygwin talkes through a Win32 DLL and hence through the Win32 subsystem.
If you do, you're one of the wankers that causes insecurity.
You mean 'one of the wankers' like RMS??
You should talk to a therapist about your feelings of insecurity.
Netscape tried to take over a 'standard' and dominate said standard. They tried to take it proprietary enough that no other entity would be able to enter the market.
Okay. We've both taken turns missing the point now. Are we even?
I can 'switch to a BSD system' just as much a BSD system as yours by installing Cygwin or (better) Interix on an NT box.
You're not running a BSD system. You shouldn't rely on Apple marketing bullet points nearly as much as you must.
Your mysticism about Windows systems is showing. You should focus on discussing whatever OS you understand best. Seems it's not MacOS X or Windows. Are you a former Atari user or an Amiga enthusiast?
Whoah, now. I'm not a black woman, nor did I graduate top of my class.
The thing is that OS X is a great first step twords security.
Shouldn't you participate in the discussion topic and not just blindly contradict it?
I suggest that we, as a country, conduct ourselves in such a manner that not everyone wants to see us dead.
That sounds like a good idea, but where will we get that many burkhas to cover all our women? And remember, we gave them a lot of rights that would be hard to take away.
Anything less wouldn't please the noisiest and most destructive wing of the 'terrorists' (okay, we can call them 'freedom fighters' and gloss over the burkha issue...)
The point you're refusing to acknowledge is that there's no 'magic bullet' security just because somebody is on a Mac. 'What more can you ask them to do?' needs to be turned around and people who administer public MacOS boxes need to ask what they should be doing, and if there are things they should be doing differently.
Cool. So now that the Mac users are properly trained, all that is needed is a local exploit (it can run in pure userland space, remember) that pops up a dialogue asking for the Root password.
The Mac user will happily comply. Sounds like a truly GREAT exploit waiting to happen.
He's referring to Wolfenstein 3D.
It has much better music and the graphics are smoother, too, on the Macintosh.
I'll confess I've spent hours playing Diablo and Diablo II on Macs.
That's great. So I can write terminal apps for a MacOS X machine and revel in the confidence that all the way down to the silicon it's 'revealed' source.
I guess all that's needed now is a curses port (or is it already preinstalled?) to write fabulous GUI apps for Mac Users.
And I can't be harmed by my electric hedge trimmer if I don't turn it on, either.
So it must be completely safe.
Wow. Maybe we should tell everybody that all their problems will be solved by stripping their W2K boxes back to SP1. It couldn't have been any problem unique to your system, after all.
'Uninstalling back' is a really bad idea on a Windows system. Your admission that you engage in such practices identifies you as someone who probably tweaks your systems into problems by meddling with them.
If you like that sort of tweaking and tuning fun, you should switch to Linux or one of the BSD OSes, where it's more fruitful.
Funny, Microsoft gets attacked at slashdot for taking too long to patch an issue, and Apple gets a free pass for ignoring them?
Look up at the URL on the top of your browser window. This is apple.slashdot.org. It ain't really Slashdot.
Slackware also runs fine on older hardware. But I'm running NetBSD on one of my 486 laptops.
Someday I should run Minix on the Kaypro, but it would be such a limited Minix on that hardware. Minux runs great on an old 386sx laptop, but all the good newer Minux stuff is stunted if run on the old 16 bit hardware.
Why is it that old people think they are smarter than you just because they are old?
To the contrary. I remember how smart I was back when I was in my early twenties. Certainly much smarter than I could ever be today. I knew almost everything about any topic, and had an opinion always at hand.
Yep.
(a bunch of 40+ types are probably nodding after reading this comment)
Their yield was probably extremely low, but they probably made it up with a stiff markup, yes.
Doubtless, they didn't make as much selling them as some might assume.
I always check off the 'No Karma Bonus' because I figure it's somebody else's job to moderate up comments.
And I see a hell of a lot of drivel posted with the +1 by people who toe the party line but don't have a lot upstairs.
Find me a bunch of EEs with the skills to operate a Fab who want to move to Costa Rica or Vietnam, or Zimbabwe. Mud farmers can't be retrained with a 2 month course.
There are cultures that promote skilled artisans from within, and there are cultures that don't. Ireland is in the former category.
And then there's the political infrastructure. Investors won't put money toward a billion dollar fab in a country that is going to nationalize the whole thing on a whim.
I used to run six sessions of the X version of Doom in X Window frames simultaneously. On my 486 with 16 megs of RAM. That was hardware just adequate to run one session of Doom on MS_DOS.
I've got a 550, a 500, a 350, and a 4x200 on a KVM switch, so I'm kinda almost pulling my load...
Well, I have a 360K floppy and a ten meg hard drive in my Kaypro Portable.
So there.
To stay on-topic (with some thread drift) the idea that Microsoft considers this the minimum hardware required for their flagship OS at that point in the future scares the hell out of me, considering that a Linux desktop with similar performance at this point requires MORE horsepower than the equivalent MS desktop, and probably still will.