If they can't seem to patch their OS fast enough, what makes them think they can keep their AV software up to date?
The same deranged thoughts that make them think they have a lower TCO than Linux, that make them take industry standard protocols and tweak them just enough that they don't work anymore, that they're more secure than *NIX, and that Windows Explorer is a good interface. Duh.
Thanks for your insightful input. As an aside, I don't hate Slackware or any such. About the only Linux distribution I CAN stand is Slackware, due to it's relative simplicity and sanity.
Until Slackware has a solid PAM implementation, it will be delegated to my smaller, simpler tasks. And yes, I've read Patrick's rants about his dislike of PAM.
And 2.6 is quite stable, not to mention a hell of a lot faster than 2.4... so why are we still stuck in the stone age? If you want to be really elitist about it, stick with 2.2...
is yes of course, the 1 GB of email storage. I guess that's not a big deal, because I technically have about 160GB free for email storage on my server.
But, the real cool thing about GMail is its interface: labels and speed.
Labels? Well, they're awesome, and I find myself wanting them when I'm in Squirrelmail or Kerio Webmail now. They're kind of just like folders, except that you can apply multiple labels to one copy of a message. Great feature, you probably wouldn't see the big deal until you started using them.
Speed? It appears that the GMail interface is largely a Javascript app, so a lot of it "runs" on the local machine. This means using it is extremely quick, because you're not generating constant HTTP traffic.
Your observations suggest a G5 sitting at idle. I've noticed that, yeah they're pretty quiet when they're idle, but that the fans are quite audible (though nowhere near loud) when you start crunching work on it.
The Dell GX270 I use on the other hand never seems to make noise, even when crunching. There was one time where I had a program go into a loop and I heard the fan once, though.
I would venture to guess that the Dell machines you got weren't Optiplex machines? Or were older Optiplex machines? I think their Dimension series are crap, and besides, they're targeted for home users, not office work.
The current line of Optiplex machines (for the past two or three years) have been super quiet. Quieter than the G5, definitely. Every model I've seen, anyways.
And no, I'm not a troll. See earlier comment about my love of Macs.
Nine fans and 21 sensors, generating half as many decibels. Now I'm not an Apple fan-boy but that's the level of attention to detail that seperates Apple from Dell, etc.
Actually, if you've been paying attention (no, you haven't) to most of Dell's line, you'd know that most of Dell's desktops are now whisper-quiet or even quieter.
I have a GX270 on my desk with a 3.2ghz P4, and I cannot hear a thing. If I go behind my machine though, and put my ear right up to the fan vent, I can hear something turning. It's much quieter than the G5, which I am around a lot, too. Both machines sit on all the time.
Dell did all this with only about 2 or 3 fans in my case, and probably a lot less than 21 sensors. That seems to be less of a hack than what Apple's pulled off with the G5.
Dell's _____, such as the GX270 is quieter than anything Apple has, except maybe for the iPod anyways.
Just thought I'd say that to be fair. And yes, PC's suck, and I love my Mac.
Linux is a leprosy; and is having a deleterious effect on the U.S. IT industry because it is steadily depreciating the value of the software industry sector. Software is also embedded in hardware, chips, printers and even consumer electronics. Should embedded software become 'free' too, it would be natural to conclude the value of hardware will spiral downward as well.
Translation: This "leprosy" benefits consumers with lower prices and that's evil, because as corporations, we need all the money we can possibly rape from them.
Basically, Torvalds and other Linux advocates are admitting to using a 'three monkeys' policy for software development: see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.
Uh, what? Are you sure you're talking about Linux, who's source is publicly available for perusal? Or are you speaking of closed-source software? See no evil, indeed.
Specifically, Torvalds and the Linux kernel management team accept blind source code contributions.
What method are the Linux team supposed to use exactly, to determine if submitted source code was from closed-source proprietary software? I'm no Linux bigot, but by their argument, I could easily see a case against closed-source software.
The reality is that, noone, including Linus Torvalds, can ever guarantee that code in the Linux kernel is free of counter ownership, or attribution claims. AdTI suggests that the U.S. government should buy and invest in software from a confirmable entity, not from an assortment of unconfirmable sources.
FUD FUD FUD. What commercial vendor can ever guarantee that code in their products is free of counter ownership? How many lazy/tired/disgruntled commercial software developers have "borrowed" GPL'd software?
>AdTI is certain that inevitably, some unfortunate user of Linux will be facing an incalculable legal problem.
I am certain that AdTI are a bunch of twats. What Linux user will ever experience a real legal liability threat? Why would it be any different than any commercial software user?
Anyhow, I'm pissed I even bothered to give this fucking twat more than a second of my time.
Yet another worthless fucking troll that just pushes me closer and closer to growing a beard and playing little faggy tunes with a recorder for dragonflies.
have done research before buying the application (you did BUY it right?), and known of the clean install issue before hand
I would have also assumed their would be an "upgrade option" from 2000 to XP. In fact, I'm still skeptical, and wonder if there is. That just doesn't seem right, especially with Microsoft's history of taking pains to ensure "smooth" migrations and backwards compatibility.
If it's true, that just seems stupid to me. Of course, I always do clean installs as I don't trust the "upgrade" route.
know that there isn't anything called 'XP Advanced server' and that there is no 'XP Server' at all.
I think he was just trying to make a point here and that you read too much into it.
I think that he was pointing out a hypothetical situation to explain his point of view. He probably didn't use Windows Server 2003 as an example because there are some significant changes between it and 2000 or XP.
It's 44 cents a gallon because this fellow currently doesn't pay the restaurant for the used cooking grease. There is not a financial incentive to start charging the few people who actually have the motivation to make their own diesel fuel. Long before this really became viable, don't you think people will start charging the the formerly useless goop?
So this kind of invalidates its viability. Sure its neat, and eco-friendly, but use that, don't go on about its cost-efficiency.
It also has wings with an unusually high attack angle with respect to the main fuse.
This was a later model modification to help the B-52's stability with low level flight at its new role as a low-altitude bomber. Formerly, the B-52 was a high altitude bomber and had a much less steep attack angle.
You should see the B-52 crab control at work. You haven't lived until you've seen a B-52 land in a blizzard with its nose pointed well to the right of the runway, even though it's still going down the runway's path.
I saw one almost spin out of control on landing once, too. That is a freaky sight.
How does one with health insurance go about seeing a doctor concerning schizophrenia without their place of employment or the person in the benefits dept finding out?
I've lived with something since about my early 20s, and while I'm not sure what it is, it seems like mild schizophrenia.
It was really bad in my early-mid 20s, but I managed to keep a a grasp on things without others noticing much. These days, I've mostly kept things going fine by exercising and eating (very) right and keeping my brain from being idle. But still, I sense that "black cloud" lurking just outside.
I see a lot of posts saying that Microsoft "is just trying to create a better user experience". On the face of things, this appears to be a good thing, but don't forget about the Windows 95 interface, Microsoft Bob, Clippy, the Search dog, Personalized Menus, the Windows XP/2003 default start menu, NetBEUI, Internet Explorer 3rd party extensions, AutoCorrect, uPnP, ISAPI, vti_printers, and so on.
Sometimes I wish they'd just be a brutal monopolist and leave the user friendliness to folks who are better at it: Apple, Palm, and the fvwm and LISP developers...
It would have saved him, but probably cost a lot of other would-be victims their lives as they'd be legally unable to defend themselves against armed criminals who have no concern for (gun) laws.
My gmail account never appeeared to change. I had it open and checked last night right before bed (~10PM PDT). Woke up this morning, it's still 1000MB.
Probably just a momentary typo on Google's part.
On another topic, I think that Google is way ahead of the pack. Forget Spymac, and I bet Lycos is only a little better.
Things I like about Gmail: - 1000MB - Really simple & clean interface - The searching - The concept of labels instead of folders (hated it at first, love it now) - The spam filtering. It seems to work really well. - The fact that the Gmail interface is so speedy. This appears to be due to the gigantic use of Javascript. Click on a message, it appears near instantaneously. Move to another folder, near instantaneous.
Things I don't like about Gmail: - No saving of drafts (yet). I've submitted this to the gmail team and apparently they're working on it. - Doesn't work well with Safari. Although I'm starting to use Firefox on OS X more and more. - No way to export or import messages. This makes it hard to backup or archive messages. Not that I don't trust Google's backup capabilities, but it would be nice to have the ability to somehow export messages so I can archive them on CD-R's/etc.
I love Gmail though, and now use it as my main email account.
Uhm and there's plenty of Windows apps that behave in this manner, too. I'm not talking about the exceptions, I'm talking about the average app. And yes, it indeed keeps running.
You may find it difficult to acknowledge that Windows does something better (gasp!), but it's backward compatibility is actually quite good.
You may find it difficult to acknowledge, but I like Windows more than I like Linux (gasp!). For my daily work I prefer OS X and Windows.
Despite your mention to the contrary, you want a PDA. Your requirements obviously point to a PDA, unless you're looking for something analog, like a compact typewriter with a watch glued to it.
I have windows 3.11 games written in 1994 that still run in windows xp, a decade later, without modification. There are few operating systems which can boost that level of backwards compatibility
Few? I guess so, if you count all of the OSes who have even a small niche of the market:
UNIX/Linux/*BSD - Stuff written 30 years back still runs Mac OS X - See above. See also Classic, NeXTSTEP compaitiblity, and Carbon.
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If they can't seem to patch their OS fast enough, what makes them think they can keep their AV software up to date?
The same deranged thoughts that make them think they have a lower TCO than Linux, that make them take industry standard protocols and tweak them just enough that they don't work anymore, that they're more secure than *NIX, and that Windows Explorer is a good interface. Duh.
Damnit! And I just bought 20 $699 SCO Linux licenses to replace our existing SCO UNIX infrastructure!
Thanks for the reply, I'll look more into it.
Thanks for your insightful input. As an aside, I don't hate Slackware or any such. About the only Linux distribution I CAN stand is Slackware, due to it's relative simplicity and sanity.
Does Dropline actually drop a working PAM infrastructure on top of Slackware, or just use PAM libs?
A one-liner? Explain exactly how it's a one-liner. Is everything in Slackware already compiled to make use of PAM, if available?
Until Slackware has a solid PAM implementation, it will be delegated to my smaller, simpler tasks. And yes, I've read Patrick's rants about his dislike of PAM.
And 2.6 is quite stable, not to mention a hell of a lot faster than 2.4... so why are we still stuck in the stone age? If you want to be really elitist about it, stick with 2.2...
is yes of course, the 1 GB of email storage. I guess that's not a big deal, because I technically have about 160GB free for email storage on my server.
But, the real cool thing about GMail is its interface: labels and speed.
Labels? Well, they're awesome, and I find myself wanting them when I'm in Squirrelmail or Kerio Webmail now. They're kind of just like folders, except that you can apply multiple labels to one copy of a message. Great feature, you probably wouldn't see the big deal until you started using them.
Speed? It appears that the GMail interface is largely a Javascript app, so a lot of it "runs" on the local machine. This means using it is extremely quick, because you're not generating constant HTTP traffic.
How long until that ability is either abused or hijacked?
Done. We were able to intercept video during a recent piloting on Mulka Blvd using an Icom IC-R3 handheld.
Just Ask Slashdot. Hundreds of Slashdot readers and their ethernet-connected RealDolls(tm) can't be wrong.
Your observations suggest a G5 sitting at idle. I've noticed that, yeah they're pretty quiet when they're idle, but that the fans are quite audible (though nowhere near loud) when you start crunching work on it.
The Dell GX270 I use on the other hand never seems to make noise, even when crunching. There was one time where I had a program go into a loop and I heard the fan once, though.
I would venture to guess that the Dell machines you got weren't Optiplex machines? Or were older Optiplex machines? I think their Dimension series are crap, and besides, they're targeted for home users, not office work.
The current line of Optiplex machines (for the past two or three years) have been super quiet. Quieter than the G5, definitely. Every model I've seen, anyways.
And no, I'm not a troll. See earlier comment about my love of Macs.
Nine fans and 21 sensors, generating half as many decibels. Now I'm not an Apple fan-boy but that's the level of attention to detail that seperates Apple from Dell, etc.
Actually, if you've been paying attention (no, you haven't) to most of Dell's line, you'd know that most of Dell's desktops are now whisper-quiet or even quieter.
I have a GX270 on my desk with a 3.2ghz P4, and I cannot hear a thing. If I go behind my machine though, and put my ear right up to the fan vent, I can hear something turning. It's much quieter than the G5, which I am around a lot, too. Both machines sit on all the time.
Dell did all this with only about 2 or 3 fans in my case, and probably a lot less than 21 sensors. That seems to be less of a hack than what Apple's pulled off with the G5.
Dell's _____, such as the GX270 is quieter than anything Apple has, except maybe for the iPod anyways.
Just thought I'd say that to be fair. And yes, PC's suck, and I love my Mac.
Linux is a leprosy; and is having a deleterious effect on the U.S. IT industry because it is steadily depreciating the value of the software industry sector. Software is also embedded in hardware, chips, printers and even consumer electronics. Should embedded software become 'free' too, it would be natural to conclude the value of hardware will spiral downward as well.
Translation: This "leprosy" benefits consumers with lower prices and that's evil, because as corporations, we need all the money we can possibly rape from them.
Basically, Torvalds and other Linux advocates are admitting to using a 'three monkeys' policy for software development: see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil.
Uh, what? Are you sure you're talking about Linux, who's source is publicly available for perusal? Or are you speaking of closed-source software? See no evil, indeed.
Specifically, Torvalds and the Linux kernel management team accept blind source code contributions.
What method are the Linux team supposed to use exactly, to determine if submitted source code was from closed-source proprietary software? I'm no Linux bigot, but by their argument, I could easily see a case against closed-source software.
The reality is that, noone, including Linus Torvalds, can ever guarantee that code in the Linux kernel is free of counter ownership, or attribution claims. AdTI suggests that the U.S. government should buy and invest in software from a confirmable entity, not from an assortment of unconfirmable sources.
FUD FUD FUD. What commercial vendor can ever guarantee that code in their products is free of counter ownership? How many lazy/tired/disgruntled commercial software developers have "borrowed" GPL'd software?
>AdTI is certain that inevitably, some unfortunate user of Linux will be facing an incalculable legal problem.
I am certain that AdTI are a bunch of twats. What Linux user will ever experience a real legal liability threat? Why would it be any different than any commercial software user?
Anyhow, I'm pissed I even bothered to give this fucking twat more than a second of my time.
Yet another worthless fucking troll that just pushes me closer and closer to growing a beard and playing little faggy tunes with a recorder for dragonflies.
have done research before buying the application (you did BUY it right?), and known of the clean install issue before hand
I would have also assumed their would be an "upgrade option" from 2000 to XP. In fact, I'm still skeptical, and wonder if there is. That just doesn't seem right, especially with Microsoft's history of taking pains to ensure "smooth" migrations and backwards compatibility.
If it's true, that just seems stupid to me. Of course, I always do clean installs as I don't trust the "upgrade" route.
know that there isn't anything called 'XP Advanced server' and that there is no 'XP Server' at all.
I think he was just trying to make a point here and that you read too much into it.
I think that he was pointing out a hypothetical situation to explain his point of view. He probably didn't use Windows Server 2003 as an example because there are some significant changes between it and 2000 or XP.
This scenario isn't very viable now, is it?
It's 44 cents a gallon because this fellow currently doesn't pay the restaurant for the used cooking grease. There is not a financial incentive to start charging the few people who actually have the motivation to make their own diesel fuel. Long before this really became viable, don't you think people will start charging the the formerly useless goop?
So this kind of invalidates its viability. Sure its neat, and eco-friendly, but use that, don't go on about its cost-efficiency.
It also has wings with an unusually high attack angle with respect to the main fuse.
This was a later model modification to help the B-52's stability with low level flight at its new role as a low-altitude bomber. Formerly, the B-52 was a high altitude bomber and had a much less steep attack angle.
You should see the B-52 crab control at work. You haven't lived until you've seen a B-52 land in a blizzard with its nose pointed well to the right of the runway, even though it's still going down the runway's path.
I saw one almost spin out of control on landing once, too. That is a freaky sight.
Any other former bomb/nav in the house?
I was expecting red shift .5 capabilities...
How does one with health insurance go about seeing a doctor concerning schizophrenia without their place of employment or the person in the benefits dept finding out?
I've lived with something since about my early 20s, and while I'm not sure what it is, it seems like mild schizophrenia.
It was really bad in my early-mid 20s, but I managed to keep a a grasp on things without others noticing much. These days, I've mostly kept things going fine by exercising and eating (very) right and keeping my brain from being idle. But still, I sense that "black cloud" lurking just outside.
I see a lot of posts saying that Microsoft "is just trying to create a better user experience". On the face of things, this appears to be a good thing, but don't forget about the Windows 95 interface, Microsoft Bob, Clippy, the Search dog, Personalized Menus, the Windows XP/2003 default start menu, NetBEUI, Internet Explorer 3rd party extensions, AutoCorrect, uPnP, ISAPI, vti_printers, and so on.
Sometimes I wish they'd just be a brutal monopolist and leave the user friendliness to folks who are better at it: Apple, Palm, and the fvwm and LISP developers...
It would have saved him, but probably cost a lot of other would-be victims their lives as they'd be legally unable to defend themselves against armed criminals who have no concern for (gun) laws.
My gmail account never appeeared to change. I had it open and checked last night right before bed (~10PM PDT). Woke up this morning, it's still 1000MB.
Probably just a momentary typo on Google's part.
On another topic, I think that Google is way ahead of the pack. Forget Spymac, and I bet Lycos is only a little better.
Things I like about Gmail:
- 1000MB
- Really simple & clean interface
- The searching
- The concept of labels instead of folders (hated it at first, love it now)
- The spam filtering. It seems to work really well.
- The fact that the Gmail interface is so speedy. This appears to be due to the gigantic use of Javascript. Click on a message, it appears near instantaneously. Move to another folder, near instantaneous.
Things I don't like about Gmail:
- No saving of drafts (yet). I've submitted this to the gmail team and apparently they're working on it.
- Doesn't work well with Safari. Although I'm starting to use Firefox on OS X more and more.
- No way to export or import messages. This makes it hard to backup or archive messages. Not that I don't trust Google's backup capabilities, but it would be nice to have the ability to somehow export messages so I can archive them on CD-R's/etc.
I love Gmail though, and now use it as my main email account.
Uhm and there's plenty of Windows apps that behave in this manner, too. I'm not talking about the exceptions, I'm talking about the average app. And yes, it indeed keeps running.
You may find it difficult to acknowledge that Windows does something better (gasp!), but it's backward compatibility is actually quite good.
You may find it difficult to acknowledge, but I like Windows more than I like Linux (gasp!). For my daily work I prefer OS X and Windows.
So bite it, cowboy.
Despite your mention to the contrary, you want a PDA. Your requirements obviously point to a PDA, unless you're looking for something analog, like a compact typewriter with a watch glued to it.
I have windows 3.11 games written in 1994 that still run in windows xp, a decade later, without modification. There are few operating systems which can boost that level of backwards compatibility
Few? I guess so, if you count all of the OSes who have even a small niche of the market:
UNIX/Linux/*BSD - Stuff written 30 years back still runs
Mac OS X - See above. See also Classic, NeXTSTEP compaitiblity, and Carbon.
The value of one asteroid is over $10 TRILLION.
Really? Where'd you get this dollar figure? And I assume it can be any size?
Oh. You pulled it from your ass. Great.