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Yahoo Boosts Email Space in response to Gmail
coleslawjoe writes "This article at New York Times explains that Yahoo has decided to boost their E-mail space (Soul sucking registration required) from their current 4 megabytes to 100 in response to Gmail. They are also planning to offer 2 gig mailboxes for $19.99(USD)."
Automatically delete messages over a certain age.
The only reason people keep them around is that they're too lazy to delete them themselves. Not because they want to refer back to them.
It's a hell of a lot more irritating that email doesn't get through because your mailbox is full then it is if you lose the email of the latest oversized video file people were sending a year ago.
Looks like only 2 of my 3 Yahoo! accounts got the boost overnight? Anyone know more details about the rollout? polymorpheus
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Why ever would I want a whole gigabyte? I'll just go to yahoo and get one-hundred entire megabytes of wonderful inbox space, on a page riddled with graphical advertisements. This is so much better than a gigabyte of inbox space, on a page with text ads. I'll tell all my friends about Yahoo!'s new, awesome offer.
Hrm...tough choice, i'd say. Heh, they are all going to be playing catch-up to Google for a bit anyway; hopefully we can see more (and better) deals in light of google bringing us such great things (like so many other company's have decided not to do, instead money-grubbing and pulling and biting and lying to get another dollar from you.
no registration required
What makes Gmail incredible and revolutionary is the search features, the amazing interface, the threading, the labeling, and the tried and true "google minimalism."
Getting 1000mB's of space is just a side effect, that's there because gmail makes it desirable to archive multiple entire mailing lists.
Yahoo! is missing the point.
if you give me your credit card number ;-) and your pphone number, address, ebay password
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Big surprise there. Yahoo need to do something to remain competitive.
I'm personally waiting for gmail to come out of beta and then I'll probably move from yahoo to google locak, stock and two smoking spam filters!
Offtopic, but why does google engender a warm fuzzy feeling of trust whereas yahoo, hotmail and the rest "feel" like corporates out to make a quick buck? It's a totally false feeling, but it's happens...
As always competition benefits the consumer. I am glad that Google raised the standard. I am going to sit back and see how far the storage wars go.
Up to 10MB now, I believe.
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now we slashdotted yahoo mail. bad users, no cookie!
Not just a plan. My wife has a paid plan with Yahoo and she had 2GB this morning.
I've gotta say, I think it's going to be hard for Gmail to compete. The Gmail Web interface isn't all that impressive and presuming that Yahoo and MSN can get their spam filtering and storage space up to snuff (Yahoo's got the space and the hotmail spam filtering is actually really good now), Google doesn't really have the breadth of services that the other guys do.
That said, they're smart guys, so hopefully they're working on something better than what they're beta testing.
I logged in this morning and saw the new user interface and the 2G limit. I've never had my yahoo mail down to 1% before. :)
And another bonus is that yahoo does not count items in their bulk mail (spam) folder towards your quota.
Now to fill up my 2G limit. I think I'll mail myself some CDs.
Nope, it seems that all sites powered by Akamai are unreachable right now...
is a word better suited to Hotmail which still holds a tight noose around its subscribers, zapping them and their accounts everyonce in a while when the account goes above limit.
I forked over 20 bucks the last year in to Bill's coffers but I dont plan to do so now that Yahoo and Google has services far better.
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Yeah right. How many users do you really think slashdot has ? :-)
There are world wide Akamai issues. Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo, Google, etc. are all affected.
- Sandman
...throwing down the gauntlet. I have had a Yahoo Plus account for a little over a year now, so I got my 2Gb space when I logged in this morning. At this point, Yahoo has the advantage of an online calendar (a great tool if you are a traveler)and the ability to sort your mail into folders. I also have a GMail account, mainly because it was offered to me. While the idea of that much space is appealing, I don't like not being able to sort my mail. Furthermore, I believe this encourages people to store documents online, a practice that is, IMHO, dangerous given the problems that Hotmail has had recently.
Don't be a looter...and yes, I know that it's spelled with an "A" instead of an "E".
No one is happier than I that Yahoo is increasing my quota. I'm just about out of space, and don't want to irritate my friends by bouncing back their messages. My mom can get pretty pissed too.
How long before spam starts including multimedia files that eat up the extra allocation? Now that so many people have broadband, there's no reason to stick to smaller messages. Emails may start to include much more advanced/annoying graphics, sounds and maybe interactive ad-games.
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Google rules (you know, cuz now we yahoo users get more storage and all)
At least I haven't had my Rocketmail account upgraded. My Yahoo accounts show the 100MB limit, but Rocketmail is still stuck at 6MB, which is irritating itself since the mailbox size limit *used* to be 10MB until Yahoo knocked it down for some reason.
Have been reporting messages as spam in Yahoo's spam "filter" for about a year now with no improvement whatsoever.
Hopefully, spam filtering is better in Google.
I will have to take your word for it.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
This is cool. I just logged into my Ymail account and noticed that they did increase to 100 MB. To make it more visible, you have a new layout for the login page. Now, I could just keep 1 yahoo account instead of 3 which I am having right now.
"Yahoo says its terms of service do not allow it to use the text of e-mail messages to select which ads to show users."
... and no more spam based on the content of my emails. Not sure how Yahoo is going to accomodate the cost of additional storage, but they might keep my email business.
Wow, more storage
The change seems to be quite inconsistent throughout their servers. I have several Yahoo accounts for different purposes, and when logging onto them today, sometimes it would show 100MB and upon going back to the Inbox page, it would show 4MB, sometimes the new stylesheet would load and other times only partially. Seems to be broken all over the place.
They also sent out messages to paying customers overnight that they are over their limit now.
My 0% of 25 MB used resulted in me getting an email that I was over my 2 MB limit.
After paying their ridiculous fee and getting such crappy support and jerky emails, I welcome the switch to GMail.
"If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid." - Epictetus
I logged on this morning to find my mail bumped to 100MB. I went from 83% to 3%. Yes! However, the system is slow as shit this morning. They also changed the design slightly. Too bad you still have ads all over the place.
I am really excited about their new DHTML-enabled interface. I just can't read mail without links that change colors when you hover over them!!!
The increase to 100MB was reported in Motley Fool on May 17.
I've had my Yahoo mail account for so long that I have 6 MB instead of the regular 4. Do I get 150 MB then? Pweease?
Nice muted colour scheme, unlike some that I can think of... :D
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I have been upgraded to 100MB but neither of my girlfriend's accounts (she has two) have been upgraded.
I always download my email with POP, so they don't have to store many of mine wheras both of her accounts are at >80%. I suspect I've been upgraded cos I don't store many emails so it won't cost them too much and it looks like good PR.
Why not just remotely access your own ISP-based email account?
It's pretty easy to set up...
Service only costs 50 cents.
Biatch.
That's cool. It'll be nice not to have to clear out my Yahoo! inbox every week. This will probably stop me migrating. After all everyone already knows my @yahoo.com email address.
However, at some point my 100Mb box will be full, and I'll want to get it down to, say 50Mb. At which point I very much hope there'll be some decent new tools for bulk deletion. The idea of trying to free up 50Mb by clicking through page after page of email going "select... delete..." does not appeal.
Unless I'm missing something in yahoo's interface, yahoo only lets you delete 25 messages at a time. With an inbox packed with spam and multiple groups subscriptions disabled because mail is bouncing, this is quite annoying. Now with 100 megs I'll have to spend a couple days deleting messages once every year or two. -Michael
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Actually, I think that's more a result of Yahoo migrating to the new system. I've seen the new interface from my friend's account like 6 hours ago and it looks pretty slick. He had thought Yahoo! was bugged but we kept refreshing and we were able to watch them migrate to the new interface in real time.
... they are still probably porting over some of the accounts ... I wonder why they couldn't make "global" changes that would affect all users at once, as it probably should be?
I logged into my account and it was still using the old interface and had the old 4-megabyte limit. It wasn't until I logged in like 10 minutes ago that I logged in to see the new interface, although a bit broken
Take off every 'sig'!
All your 'sig' are belong to us!
Gmail: 1,024 megabytes
Yahoo: 100 megabytes
I think it's pretty clear that Yahoo is getting desperate and stupid; they most lileky don't have the infrastructure in place to offer 1GB email accounts or they already would have. 100MB is just a temporary kludge to keep existing users from flocking to GMail as long as possible (p.s: it won't work!)
we could all get so gooey over webmail again? or is it just me... ? ;-)
I got my Gmail account today, it is quite nice. Have yet to explore it really, how can they offer 1GB ? So much space ! How is Yahoo, total spammage or spam free ?
"Sweet llamas of the Bahamas !"
Great. I can hold more spam. My Yahoo account is almost useless from the weight of spam in it. It's like a magnet for every weird spam too. I get spam for penis shrinking, failing stocks to buy, expensive generic drugs and elderly Amish women pics.
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If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem
Somebody go get an account with them and test out their spam filters!
No one is happier than I that Yahoo is increasing my quota. I'm just about out of space, and don't want to irritate my friends by bouncing back their messages. My mom can get pretty pissed too.
How long before spam starts including multimedia files that eat up the extra allocation? Now that so many people have broadband, there's no reason to stick to smaller messages. Emails may start to include much more advanced/annoying graphics, sounds and maybe interactive ad-games.
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100 megs to 1 gig
Let me ponder on that thought while I delete my 200 + spam mails a day, that I need to sort through manually to inspect that it does not contain any of my friends.
The 200 + spam mails a day is a recent event. About two-three months ago I used to average about 20-40 a day - all of a sudden there was a huge surge.
I won't mind giving Gmail a try and hope their spam filters are better. While I do not mind a skyscraper ad, on the side of my email, I do mind pop-ups/under. I hope that the ads they propose won't contain porn/hate websites....it would be annoying if I am at work trying to read my email but cannot due to the half naked woman to the right of my e-mail.
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Mail Options->General Preferences->Messages per page
I still have my regular old 6 megs of space, but my wife just IM'd me to tell me about her 100 megs. What's up, Yahoo?
WTF??? At a time when Google made it public that they are going to offer 1 GB email accounts, Yahoo upgrades their service to a mere 100 MB?
Is it THAT difficult to compete with Google???
Take off every 'sig'!
All your 'sig' are belong to us!
My Yahoo mail account is now at 100MB (spam away)
The Yahoo mail homepage also reflects this fact here
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New service, excellent. Now let me in!!!!!!!!!!I can't log in anymore, must be all the slashdotters getting free 100megs email acounts....
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This article at New York Times explains that Yahoo has decided to boost their E-mail space (Soul sucking registration required) from their current 4 megabytes to 100 in response to Gmail. They are also planning to offer 2 gig mailboxes for $19.99(USD)
Hmm. Now, let's figure out which business deal is better, shall we?
Do I either,
A) Pay $20 for a 2 gig Yahoo box, or
B) Open up 2 GMail accounts for free and still have 2 gigs of storage.
Now, the true genius will suddenly realize that if you open 3 accounts, that means you have 3 gigs of space, and that's more than 2 gigs that Yahoo offers. How many of you figured that one out?
And I'm talking about Yahoo-sponsored spam!!
And they might charge their users for a improved spam filter.
Damn suits!
I saw this story, went to my yahoo page to check my account and can't log in!?!?! Now that's something!
all the rest (including hotmail, aol, yahoo) will be that the others will be selling your info that you register and from your e-mail while google will not. This will be no different than the way that Yahoo/MSN/AOL currently sell your login to spammers (and MSN/AOL will actually offer bandwidth/client ip's to these same spammers).
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
I have had a Yahoo address since the week Yahoo started offering email services back in the 90's. I have used it pretty consistently since then.
However, I just got my gmail account a couple of days ago. The text only advertisements make the page so much bigger (important on a laptop with a 12" screen), so I can actually see my emails. The way emails are grouped into threads is wonderful. I love the keyboard commands, as I have never been a big fan of using mice much. Immediate searching of all your email. And so on... Every single thing about gmail is better than yahoo mail. Even my login, as I have my first name and last initial as my login (thanks to getting in during beta).
I will never go back to yahoo.... it's not just the storage space.
Why use external mail providers?
Step 1. Install sendmail & some spam filter
Step 2. Get a free domain (dyndns.org)
Step 3. [insert-your-drive-capacity-here] mail storage (~ 180 Gb for me).
Step 4.???
Step 5. Profit!
Ok, sure, some people are on dialup and so, but the rest of us. why?
GAAH! MY PRINTER IS ON FIRE!!! PUT IT OUT! PUT IT OUT!
I was graced today when, still almost asleep, I signed in in my Yahoo-mail, and was greeted by the upgrade message.
:), I thought I had clicked in a wrong link, so I clicked the back button and re-did the sign in, and to my surprise, there it was again!
:-)
Funnily (is that a word?
Still trying to like the new interface, though.
Competition is good, isn't it?
If only there were two blondes trying to please me...
Really, I'm quite curious...
I can see why, say, maximum message size could be an issue, and that would be a direct relation to max storage space. So if you only had 5MB, then somebody can't e-mail you an 8MB attachment (which is likely only 4MB, but thanks to the wonders of 7bit e-mails...)
However, one would imagine (at least, I do), that a user would download any such-sized e-mail and promptly rid the online storage space of it.
So what are the uses of having hundreds of megabytes or even a/2 gigabyte of storage space ?
Other than the obvious : illicit distribution of data.
(Yes, I'm sure some people may actually store hundreds of megabytes in their e-mail so that when they go on vacation they can still access it - rather than burn it to a CD or so.)
Not trying to be flamebait - just wondering what people could actually use this for without reaching.
My .co.uk address is still stuck on 6Mb - although I have been getting free POP access ever since they started charging .com accounts for it, so it's not all bad news.
I began using Yahoo! Mail years ago and I've had 6MB per email address (I've got two) ever since. When I signed my mother and father up to have Yahoo! Mail accounts two years later they were given 4M accounts.
The first thought I had though since being notified of the increase was, "How the heck am I going to keep track of all the junk I'll eventually have to delete?" My answer was, "To never allow it to clog in the first place by removing immediately any e-mails that I may want to save." The obvious answer.
IIRC, Yahoo only allows you to set up 10 rules for handling the email you receive. This is troublesome because now that we've been given so much free space, I know people will want to seperate their space by using folders - ideally, automatically - for just about everything and everyone they know. But, if 10 rules are the limit, I see in the future that limitations on space won't be the driving factor in attracting customers. Once again, it will all boil down to service and services available (options, rules, etc.) to the end user.
As an early Yahoo! user, I had a 6 MB box, which proved how '1337 I was. Now I'm just a 100MB schlub like everyone else.
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
they haven't even produced a service yet. They have something in BETA that is raising the standard. This is a good indication of what will happen if/when it does come out.
Except for the fact that when I email myself it puts my messages into the spam folder. I guess Yahoo believes that any mail coming from a Yahoo account IS spam. :)
I do not get it... Has everybody stopped using the e-mail accounts that come with the Internet service?
I have been using my ISPs e-mail without problems for several years. They are good at dealing with spam, they provide webmail and they support SSL. Am I being pre-historic here?
Akamai's DNS servers appear to be MIA. Did someone find the Akamai Achilles heel?
This means Microsoft.com, Applce.com, Google.com and many other sites don't resolve right now. Oops.
"The truth shall make ye fret" -- The Truth, Terry Pratchett
I think this is a case of us Americans going "ooooo, more is better" and taking the higher number without really thinking about it. Which would you choose: 2047 minutes free of AOL, or 1000 minutes from a plain jane competitor? I'd choose the latter.
Also, from what I hear, there are restrictions on that 1 gig offer from gmail. You can't send someone a 400mb file, for example, or even a 10mb file, for that matter. Also, you can actually sign up for yahoo without having to beg someone who's currently a member. Their invite only system with gmail and orkut really leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
I've used Yahoo without too many problems for some time. I've even paid for an upgraded account. Unfortunately, their site seems to be fucked at the moment, probably due to a DNS change. In any case, it's important to compare services over more than a single dimension. If I don't see the need for more than 50MB storage, why would I choose google, for example?
in the article? Wait. That isn't as stupid as it sounds.
For those who RTFA's (and so many complain about registering that some of you have too) you will find there was no registration required.
For those who didn't RTFA continue to post alternate links so other people can not read them.
I wonder what the change in storage will do to the number of ads displayed in Yahoo's mail. I haven't used their email in quite a number of years, but from what I remember they had quite a lot of ads. All things considered, in order for Yahoo to give 25 times more space than they had previously, there is a likelihood that advertising will go up as well. I wonder how other free email services will respond to this.
The majority of people I know already dislike Yahoo and LOVE Google (don't we all?), so upgrading their service (and still not meeting Google's offering) isn't really going to help anything at all.
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Yeah - microsoft.com resolves, but not www.microsoft.com. Same with gmail.google.com, and www.google.com. :)
I imagine some people at Akamai are sweating a bit right now
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I have had a Yahoo account so long I that I had a 6MB account before the upgrade today. Yahoo has the best spam filtering of any of the free web based accounts I tried and they do NOT count messages in your "Bulk" folder toward your space quota. One click deletes them in a painless yet satisfying action. I occasionally get spam in my "Inbox" but really, it's a fairly rare occurrence. Altogether I have been happy with their handling of spam and I use that account a lot.
I've been very happy with my paid Yahoo! account, and since I joined when it first came out I actually have a nice userid. As I travel and work on multiple computers it's incredibly useful to have all my email available from anywhere. Plus, I can download my POP mail into Yahoo!, the SPAM filtering has been quite accurate lately, and the interface is very usable. Now with a 2GB quota and the elimination of the big adverts, at $20/year it's an amazing service for a great price. This weekend I'm going to slap together a little archive/encrypt/e-mail backup script and suddenly I've got instant backup service for all my computers. Sure Gmail might be free, but it's not here yet, and why go through the hassle of changing my email address everywhere just to save a couple of bucks?
-Steve
Better yet what is the max attachment limit. Because while I could see 1 gig if your attachment limit was 500 meg or 250 meg, if its the standard 5 - 10 meg, then whats the point, you couldnt send big files via it anyway and would be back to FTPing things to each other.
Sorry I just dont see the point of this, If you need this much space, maybe its better to start up your own email server.
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get the 2GB / no adv version @ no additional cost. /happy DSL customer @ $29/ mo for 256/1.5
If you go into options, you can set your view to show up to 200 messages at one time (under "General Preferences").
"My God...It's full of ads!" -Fry, about the Internet, Futurama
I've just loged in in my yahoo spain acount, and it have only the same 6MB that it have ever had... is this a change for US only? or it's a bug? "Estás utilizando el 0% de los 6.0MB disponibles." (You're using 0% of 6.0Mb avaliable)
Then today I got an email from yahoo saying I was being upgraded for free - 2GB of space, no more ads etc. (YAH!)
I haven't used Gmail for all that long now, but my vote is with Yahoo. I have paid for yahoo for a couple years now because I want POP forwarding and the abiliity to DL my messages into Entourage on my own computer, instead of everything being on the 'net. I would be convienient to have messages archived on the web interface as well, but a standalone email program is still superior (and faster for going through old emails) than a web based one.
The other killer feature of Yahoo is their Spam filter. I just clued into that a couple months ago and gave it a try. VERY impressive filtering. I check the spam folder every couple of days, but in 2 months it has only mistakenly caught a very small handful of legit email. (The funny thing is that it things that the occassional email FROM Yahoo is spam!) Likewise there are only an extremely smal number of real spam that haven't been filtered out. I am sure that Google will add spam filtering before they open up the service to the world, but as it is, this feature alone puts Yahoo above Gmail even with a fraction of the space available for storage.
One thing neither company has caught onto yet is a need / desire for throw-away addresses. What savy net user gives their real address when asked to fill in all those registration forms all over the net. (Can anyone say New York Times?). I don't need 1 GB of storage for that. I don't need a fraction. What I would like is some sub-email address that I can turn on and off, and even change the address (randomly?) but view from within the same Yahoo / Gmail web interface.
...but the new 10MB per message size limit.
Yahoo now matches Gmail in message size capacity, so Yahoo won't have pissed off subscribers trying to send or receive large attachments between Yahoo and Gmail accounts.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
:( I couldn't be asked to read that article completley (a bit too long for me), but its 100Mb for free accounts isn't it? I'm sure I'm signing up on a US server...
The headline should not be "Hooraay - more MBs at Yahoo!"...
It should be something like "Damn - what have these guys done to their system?"
Only latest-and-greatest browsers are suported, so I mostly get nag-nag-nag that I should upgrade and only if I'm lucky, I see what is supposed to be my account. Meanwhile, I keep crashing into other peoples accounts - not seeing their messages, but again, an invitiation to upgrade to Browser 9.whatever...
Don't tell me - they've outsourced to India and are using the difference in salaries not only to profit but also to buy a TB or two storage?
AdventureMail
Although they are kindof evil...
...unfortunately no one can be told what The Mat^H^H^HGoatse is...they must experience it for themselves...
It's the other features such as Search, Labels, Conversations, Keyboard Shortcuts, and a lightning-fast interface that leverage the larger storage space. Anyone can offer tons of space, but unless you provide tools to effectivly utilize it, it's just space.
My mom always said, "Jim, you're 1 in a million." Given the current population, there are 7000 of me. God help us all!
and unbridled competition are once again evident as Yahoo has used its monopoly power to force an additional 96MB of space on us all!
My account was upgraded when I woke up this morning. There was a problem, however. Now, I can't send HTML email any more. Anybody else having this problem?
It doesn't really matter that they've raised the limit. I've always disliked yahoo, I'm not sure if it's its ads filled pages or what not but I just tried composing a test e-mail and got over 5 errors trying to get to the compose screen which I couldn't even get to. Error connecting to my.yahoo.com edit.yahoo.com f501.yahoo.com, etc etc etc . 100 mbs for all the hoops I have to jump through, is not worth it.
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I went for 2.5 years without getting any SPAM. Why? Because I set the account preferences turning off any options to receive third party mailings from the time I initially signed on.
There's a catch, though. Yahoo! reserves the right to change their policies at any time - whereby they probably reset everyone's options and no one realizes it until they've received 80billion SPAM messages.
I think the only SPAM I get is because I released my e-mail address while on a message board and a bot grabbed it.
Practice web safety and you'll pretty much be in the clear. I still have one account that only receives 1 SPAM a month and that is because some generator guessed it correctly.
Arg.. I'm so sick of things like "Soul-sucking registration required"... you're getting access to argueably the finest journalistic content on the web - it's a FREE account so stop whining.
Where did the internet go? It's broken!
yahoo
google
msn searchs
all gone....
Huge mailbox, tiny fonts, awful window contrast...hmmm. They need to work on it.
Seeing as Taco is wearing the daddypants at the moment (ie. he's selecting and posting new stories to the front page), maybe he got more excited about the Yahoo! story. Also, there was an article about the release candidate for Firefox 0.9 a few days back, so most people would have shouted 'Dupe!' on reflex... :)
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Sorry to go all Capt. Caveman on ya, but I just signed in and the upgrade is already there. I've been using my yahoo acct for years now, so I had the ol' 6MB limit, and its pretty damn good for a free web based email...but all this extra space is a real good thing. I like it in that I don't have to go sign up elsewhere and don't have to tell everyone my new email address
Sehr geehrter Toilettenbenutzer!
I, for one, welcome our new multimedia pR0n overlords. ;-)
(Or should that be overloads?
Hahah, I just sent a gmail invite to a friend, and their yahoo address marked the gmail invite as junk mail! What a crock, yahoo is trying so hard to not lose business. Make a better business model, and they wouldn't!
I just logged onto the account that came with my SBC Yahoo DSL, and it says I'm using "0% of 2.0GB". And this is just with the standard $30/month DSL plan.
So that's actually cool.
When I logged into my Yahoo! email this morning I was notified that because I'm a SBC DSL subscriber, I now have a 2GB mail box AND no more graphical ads. I love it already.
...is POP/IMAP and a way for Longhorn to boot over POP/IMAP... that way I won't have to download that viruses and worms and wonderful things. This might mean that nigerian fellow of mine will have an account on my machine... so many opportunities...
Great idea!!
Being forced to have IE, mozilla and opera open at the same time with your 3 logins when you want to search for some thing would be ultra cool
Damn!! I am not a genius
If Gmail or Yahoo decide to give free Pop access they won my non-paying business :) Presently I use one yahoo for spam mail, one yahoo for day to day purchases, resumes and emails from strangers. And then I have MyWay mail for all my close personal friends which I tell to not place me in a CC line (bcc is much better) :)
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...Like sarah_cutie1@yahoo.com and sk8er_chick4092@yahoo.com? Hee hee.
Look, the reason I'm gonna go with Google for my free webmail is that I actually have a chance of getting something decent as my name, instead of some misspelled-word+four-digit-number...
For those who might be curious, I found an easy way to get rid of ads when reading your gmail (if for some reason, ads really bother you).
Just ask everyone to put the word "died" at the end of their messages. Gmail has this filter that tries not to be too insensitive by plastering your browser with ads for caskets next to news that Uncle Bob just died, so I guess it searches for words like that.
I tried with the words "disaster", "died", etc. and they all caused ads to disappear.
It might be creepy though after a while if every email had the word "died" at the bottom.... )
with many geeks anymore but from what tell you, everyone I know uses Yahoo mail and I don't know a single person yet who uses Gmail.
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Just give it time.
I've got the equivilant of a paid Yahoo account through my ISP. They've cleanup the interface, and there are no adds that I can see - text or otherwise.
2 gigs is plenty of space, but doesn't really strike me as being significantly differant that one gig. But then again, I'll probably find a way to use it.
As a customer, I'm really happy with this shift. Mostly because the interface is cleaner and easier to read. The extra space wasn't going to be needed for six months at the earliest, but is nice to have now.
Still, when gmail rolls out, I'll give it a shot. I'll want to see how the searching and threaded conversations work.
I did have an email sent to me today with a large attachment. It seems to have been split up into three emails and I can't get the attachment. I'm not sure if the sending program (outlook) is to blame or to Yahoo, but I'm not real happy about the situation.
Of course, the solid waste hauling unions may sue AOL for the sudden reduction in trash volume...
> The Gmail Web interface isn't all that impressive
I have to call bullshit on that. I'm a beta member and I have to say that Gmail is the *most* impressive email client I have ever laid eyes on. Anyone who says otherwise is a stakeholder on another project, or just playing devil's advocate for some obscure reasons.
Everything about Gmail is 100% fucking awesome!
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
If you haven't noticed yet, My Yahoo has a whole new look to go with the 100Mb of mail storage. Rounded edges and fonts. They never can leave well enough alone.
I have a 50 MB Yahoo! Plus! Account!. My friend has a 25 MB! Yahoo! Plus! Account!
What will I get for the extra money I gave them? 2 GB? 4 GB? A dedicated server?
"If you want to improve, be content to be thought foolish and stupid." - Epictetus
They offered 100MB today, and now their service is down? And has been at least for the last 20-30 minutes.
Yep. My girlfriend (out of college) has used Yahoo mail for several years. i cannot even come close to convincing her to change to any other service; not even our ISP's (cox cable) mail with huge storage and even after showing her she can use Thunderbird, Evolution, or others....she likes yahoo, uses yahoo, trusts the spam guards and to tell you the truth about the whole ordeal, the reason she won't change: Yahoo is just there...regardless of where you are, what ISP you are using (no one has banned yahoo yet have they!? heh :). i see her point on that one. My tune may change now that i've graduated (computer engineering) and my school acounts will go away (like i'd give those bastards more money to keep my "vanity" school email account open! :) We shall see. i'll tell you one thing though, we do NOT use the same services for email and for searching, so no gMail for me :(
I think it's funny to read all these Yahoo supporters try to derail Gmail. Haven't they learned anything yet? Google == God.
> I guess it's OK if she already paid Yahoo, but for anyone who didn't, it's not even comparable.
Agreed. Gmail is sooooo nice, and free.
The dangers of knowledge trigger emotional distress in human beings.
when GMail comes out considering they're free, so there's no use arguing over which is best :)
To paraphrase our dear old friend bill
6 MB ought to be enough for anybody
Applies atleast for me. Unless you have ppl in your address book who keep sending 2 MB check-this-joke word docs, clearing anything not important once in every 2 days should be more than sufficient.
Why is it that every poster tries to picture NYTimes as some vampire?!?
(Soul sucking registration required)
When one can sign up in yahoo for using their mail service, how can it be painful (or more painful) to register on nytimes once!?! It's not that you'll have to register every time you view a page.
Let them save the cookie monsieur, unless you are paranoid about them tracking which articles you go through.
Any mail with your own address in the from field commonly IS spam. I agree it's stupid that they don't make an exception when it's actually sent from your own account, but how often does that happen on purpose under normal circumstances?
Um...I was already paying for the 19.95 POP3 service. I got the 2 gig already. The interface, while still yahoo, looks very simplististic, a la you know who.
"Power corrupts. PowerPoint corrupts absolutely."
I was pleasently surprised when I logged in this morning to see that I now have 2 gigs of space and they removed the ads. And the interface has been upgraded.
Btw, I am a Yahoo! Mail Plus user. It was nice of Google to force all this competition. I was continously at 90% usage of my mailbox, now I am at 1%.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Lois, this isn't my Batman glass. - Peter
Take that, Gmail! We'll fight you with ... uh ... less. Now *that* is minimalism.
This is my post. There are many others like it. If you don't like what you read here, go try one of the others.
WTF are you talking 'bout? just got mine yesterday, and i have to say......google's had it right... my personal favorite being the ability to group mail, and that the replys back & forth between two persons actually appears together...... no more looking through 200 emails to find that original...
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"If everything seems to be going well, you obviously don't know what the hell is going on." - Murphy's Law
I have 300 GB of email storage available to me right now on my local hard drive. Give me POP3 access and let me pull down my messages so I can worry about retaining them. I don't trust my data to some company with no interest in the integrity of my data.
I've had messages stored on web-based email accounts dump my messages due to server failure, during routine upgrades, because I hadn't logged in to the account for a month, or who knows what other reason.
Google may not do all of that, but if I can't back up important messages to an offline storage medium that I physically own, I'm not interested.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
All I know is, the new colors are awful even using my old color scheme. Everything's muddier. I guess they had to make it "different" so people would notice more than the extra 0 on their storage space count.
Yahoo Calendar has also become pretty unreadable; on my 1280x1024 monitor, the lines between days are about, ohhh, 1 pixel wide. And light gray. On a white background. All your events just kinda "float" there if you look at it from a distance--like reading time on a watch with no numbers. (Although, I hear some people prefer this.) I believe this look used to be reserved for their Printable View so the lines would turn up nice and sharp on a printer.
<sigh>
Recently i wanted to save all messages stored in my yahoo mail account offline, POP3 was payware so i looked for alternatives, the closest i got was Koopaasa which is basically a browser with capabilities do download links available on a webpage further more the saved files are appended thus i could download all messages into one big html file with all the yahoo mail ads and formatting - which i didn't like.
Does anyone have any suggestions on what i can do?
...and pop access
I don't understand the need for these gargantuan email boxes. My personal (non-work) IMAP mailbox has mail dating back to July 2002 (all of my email before that is archived and I never look at it), and it's just under 60 megabytes. At that rate, I would reach Yahoo!'s limit by the end of 2008, at which point I would probably just archive my email again. My work email is an entirely separate, company-provided account, but I still only have 186 megabytes of email going back to May 2000. 46.5 megabytes per year.
I think if you're using 1-2 GB for your email, then you should consider some non-email ways of managing your data. There are already many sites on the internet that archive mailing lists, so there's no need to keep around a personal copy of list mail. Purging the Trash and deleting spam messages helps to save space. Instead of emailing large files, consider serving them up on the web, ftp, etc. Even if you do email large files, there's no need to keep them in your mailbox after they are downloaded. Save them to your computer, burn them to a CD if needed, and delete them.
Then again, maybe everyone else on the internet is just way more popular than I am.
Is yahoo susceptible to the slashdot effect? I haven't been able to get into it since this story came out. How can you slashdot YAHOO??
If my fantasy baseball team (service hosted by yahoo) suffers because of this you will all pay....
"One thing neither company has caught onto yet is a need / desire for throw-away addresses."
Ask and you shall receive.
"AddressGuard is a feature of your Yahoo! Mail Plus subscription. It lets you create disposable email addresses to use whenever you do not want to give out your real Yahoo! Mail Address.
Messages sent to any of your disposable email addresses will be automatically forwarded to your Yahoo! Mail account, and you can decide to direct these messages to a specific folder.
If any of your disposable email addresses start getting spam, you can simply delete it and messages sent to this address will start bouncing instead of filling up your account."
I just recently got a gmail account, and I love how flexible it is.. I love being able to use the lables in conjunction with (myemail)+filterIwant@gmail.com to make automated filters, etc.
:)
I found that much more convient than most freebe mail types. Also, its much much much faster to load than yahoo, and yahoo doesn't follow the conversations easily. The conversations I find make things a LOT easier. Instead of looking through 1,000 email threads, I can look through one conversation and locate the tab/entry I'm looking for with little fuss.
Yahoo would have to do that plus a lot more to make me even remotely impressed with 100 megs.
And oh, labels are king. Labels will rule the world. Labels can be placed on several different emails without having copy the email, fwd another copy to yourself or otherwise go through hassle to make the email show up in two different folders. Saves space, too.
(No, I don't like my gmail account, not at all... and no, you can't have any of my invites. Miiine.)
-- RJ
It would be interesting to see what Microsoft would be doing with hotmail to be in competition with yahoo and gmail.
The only changes that I had seen in hotmail in the past 3-4 years are a decrease in the inbox space to a mere 2 megs, some zazzy icons and some improvements in the spam filtering.
People say Microsoft doesn't go innovative with their browser, OSes and the office suites because of almost zero competition (ie after ensuring that competition is almost zero). But what in the free-email wars??
Or is it that hotmail is doomed to be lost in history like the dot-com boom of which it had been one of the catalysts
There is nothing like a little competition to put the fear of god into companies (and politicians) who have grown complacent and arrogant. This is yet another example.
That is one of the great things about open source software, even if you never use it. Every windows XP, MS-Office and IE user should give thanks to Linux, Open Office, and Mozilla every time they boot. MS comes under pressure to lower prices and develop new features, whenever open source products can match or exceed their offerings. Even if you keep your Yahoo! account and never even look at GMail, you have derived benefit from them.
My rights don't need management.
I've really struggled to keep my Yahoo! Mail account in check. There are a lot of messages that I want to archive. At the same time, I'm constantly getting new email that I need to read or file. 4mb has added up to 205 email messages for me. I, for one, welcome the new 100mb upgrade.
If anything, it gives my inbox the chance to grow as big as my "Bulk" (spam) folder. I haven't cleaned it out since 05/29 (two and a half weeks), and I've got 1790 messages waiting for me to review if they're real or not. The good thing is, the bulk folder doesn't count against your quota. (Sounds like a feature that is ripe for a 'sploit, to me.)
I got that error too, late last night. However, messages didn't bounce at that time, and it is now showing I have 2GB of space.
Just a minor quirk I think...and it all appears ironed out.
I don't know about you, but most mail clients I've used let me keep messages on the server. But, I can also tell them to delete messages if I want once they are emptied from my trash or something. At least this is how I've kept my Yahoo account pruned.
oh, wait. the interface keeps changing between the old and new interface while i clik on differ email foler. what's up with that ?!
How will they compete with my mailserver sitting in the closet with about 20Gb, no adverts, no extra fees, secure imap & pop3 access, etc?
The old Yahoo interface was mostly fine with Opera 6.05 and 7.51. This new one technically works, but many things like the move to other folder list are not sitting right. Anyone else have this problem?
Any ideas on getting Yahoo to work with browsers other then IE?
"One thing neither company has caught onto yet is a need / desire for throw-away addresses."
Ask and you shall receive.
"AddressGuard is a feature of your Yahoo! Mail Plus subscription. It lets you create disposable email addresses to use whenever you do not want to give out your real Yahoo! Mail Address.
Messages sent to any of your disposable email addresses will be automatically forwarded to your Yahoo! Mail account, and you can decide to direct these messages to a specific folder.
If any of your disposable email addresses start getting spam, you can simply delete it and messages sent to this address will start bouncing instead of filling up your account."
I tried to go check my Yahoo account this morning and... uhh... DNS is dead. Figured I'd better check Slashdot and sure 'nuff, Akamai has been SLASHDOTTED!!!
:-)
Does it feel good to pull down a giant like Akamai? Huh? (Do you feel lucky, PUNK?)
Akamai has now come back up a little shakily and sure enough, I have a 100MB Yahoo account, even though I wasn't cramped with 6MB. With this expansion, I will likely not be using Gmail when it goes out of beta unless the UI really is that much better.
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10);'
It was a tasty drink! oh wait a minute.
The new "streamlined" interface kinda sucks though. What's with all the Windows 95 buttons all over the place? How is that "streamlined" over using native buttons? It's really annoying on a Mac too, though I would think it would look ugly on Win XP if you were using the Luna UI.
Yahoo's mail site appears to be slashdotted. Kind of hard to take advantage of all that storage space if you can't log in. Nice planning, Yahoo.
Yahoo is NOT slashdotted. There is a widespread DNS issue associated with akamai. It affects yahoo.com, apple.com, google.com, et. al.
I posted this story before this guy and admins allowed this guy's story first. Slashdot needs to be sleazedotted!!
I think people are forgetting the nice things about the update Yahoo! Mail:
:-)
1. 100 MB is more than enough if you do mostly text messages. After all, most text messages are about 2-5 KB in size, a tiny fraction of the 100 MB capacity.
2. Yahoo! Mail has excellent controls for spam filtering, and all the spam email is routed to a Bulk folder that does not count towards your normal email quota.
3. Yahoo! Mail has automatic virus checking, so it's very unlikely you'll download attachments that are viruses.
I keep seeing people saying that Yahoo has better spam filtering?? I have never recieved Spam in my gmail account, but I get lots every day in Yahoo. Granted it is an older account I use to fill in online crap, but filtering, blah. Besides Gmail is still beta.
Yahoo may offer good spam filtering to those who pay, but I get boatloads of spam in my pay account.
By 7 degrees of separation, I thought everyone who wants Gmail would have one by now. Within a day of getting an invite, I had three invites of my own to give out. Within a week of someone I know getting a Gmail, everyone I know who wanted Gmail has it. I invite 3 friends, they each invite three friends and so on... In week they were stretching to find more people to invite.
In 6 months, I suspect Gmail will be better in just about every way. I find yahoo in general has terrible customer service and will be glad to switch completely to the eventual google portal.
Now those phony accounts spam always references on Yahoo will be able to hold all of the "no such address" bounce-backs.
#include <iostream>
#define SUCCESS 0
#define FATAL_ERROR -1
using namespace std;
enum
{
Google = 1,
Yahoo,
SomethingWorseThanYahooIfPossible
};
int main (void)
{
int EmailService;
cout << "Select your preferred email service provider. (1 = Google, 2 = Yahoo, 3 = SomethingElse) >";
cin >> EmailService;
if (EmailService == Google)
{
cout << "You enjoy clean interfaces, non-evil marketing functionality, and lot's of storage space!" << endl;
return (SUCCESS);
}
else if ((EmailService == Yahoo) || (EmailService == SomethingWorseThanYahooIfPossible))
{
cout << "You enjoy cluttered interfaces, evil marketing functionality, and very little storage space!" << endl;
cout << "You're a moron!" << endl;
return (FATAL_ERROR);
}
else
{
cout << "Wow, you can't even follow simple instructions. You aren't worthy of the Gmail product." << endl;
cout << "Go away!" << endl;
return (FATAL_ERROR);
}
}
"What I have written, I have written." - Pontius Pilate
Nothing. Nada. They still have the stupid cap at 2.0Mb of storage, and they still pester you constantly with unblockable messages to get the full hotmail account for $20/yr.
I've been migrating registrations to point to yahoo over time, and once Gmail goes public, I'll get an account and dump MSN/Hotmail totally. I've had that hotmail account for a long time, before Microsoft even acquired hotmail. It's had more downtime than you'd think unless you use it every day. A couple days it was out for the whole day. I'm sure Google can do better.
It just came to me, but this helps scammers (c is correct not p), they can hold more conversations and possible frauds at a time. I happen to be an anti-scammer and have seen the mailboxes of my foes... The only reason there mailing lists aren't bigger and they are only trying to nail one person at a time (trust me, I've seen guys with a few accounts at the same time running up to 4 scams at once) is because their boxes are ALWAYS full of returns from daemons... The sheep are getting restless...
Business \Busi"ness\, n.;
A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
Yahoo
Yahoo is hoping that increasing the storage space to 100MB will keep a lot of people from switching to Gmail.
Gmail
Your home mailserver may be illegal if you are using cable modem and DSL - and will most likely soon be outlawed from all consumer ISPs based on the fact that a lot of SPAM is produced from this type of "home mail server"
Currently, my local charter cable does NOT allow one to run a server from their account or a mailserver- you must acquire a business account for $120 more - even at that their are a lot of restrictions.
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
Did anybody else mark their notification message as spam? I did!
KevG
I don't think yahoo sells your info....my yahoo account would be nearly free of spam if I didn't have my university account forwarding too it (even then I only get 3-4 spams per day).
Yahoo's spam filters are also fairly good, so 95% of the spam I do receive goes directly to jail. I pay the $19.99 a year for POP access, and now they are adding all the Plus! features (2 Gig storage, 10Meg attachments, no banner adds, no taglines, and supposedly better spam filtering + antivirus) to that, which used to be another $9.99.
They did have a bit of a bug with the switchover though, since got a message stating:
"You are currently exceeding your Yahoo! Mail storage quota by a very large amount. You are only allowed -2048.0MB of storage but you are currently using 0.2MB of storage."
Yes, that is negative mail storage...but it was fixd by the time I got the email, said wah?, and logged in to check it out.
If God had had a computer it would have taken him 7 months to create the earth...if he even bothered to do it at all.
Microsoft says that hardware is going to be free in the future, so how much space are they going to offer?
is it possible that microsoft is blocking g-mail invites? i sent an invite to a friend on hotmail and he never recieved it, so i sent him an e-mail from my g-mail account and it went straight through.
anyone come across this?
Can anyone else confirm that Firefox has issues with the "new and improved" yahoo mail? I am using the 9.0 RC on windows. The send button does NOT work for me. It does nothing.
I usually use fetchyahoo to grab yahoo mail to my mail server, but thought I would check out the new features of yahoo mail.
And my Plus account is still 100 MB. You'd think thye'd get us paying subscribers first. And as others said, the new font sucks. I like the rest of the new look though.
But, I ain't complaining too much - this'll save me from having to move to GMail. I've been beating my head against the 100 MB limit for quite some time now.
paintball
We've made some great changes to your Mail sub account, effective immediately! You'll have all the features of your current Mail sub account, and many more -- at no additional cost*!
Here's even more to love about your SBC Yahoo! Mail Plus sub account:
Increased mail storage
A whopping 100MB for all the important messages in your life! Keep lots of messages, photos, and documents -- think of it as your online archive.
No graphical ads
When you're using the Mail web interface, your experience will be even more enjoyable.
Streamlined interface
Makes using your mail even easier.
So thanks again for choosing SBC Yahoo! Mail to keep in touch, and we hope you enjoy the additional services now at your fingertips. For more information, please visit our Help page.
If you are also an SBC Yahoo! Mail Extra Storage subscriber, please note that as of 6/15/04, the price of extra storage is dropping to $9.99 a year for 2GB of storage. On that date, your sub account storage quota will automatically increase to 2GB, regardless of the extra storage package you currently subscribe to. In addition, as a thank you for being a loyal SBC Yahoo! user, the remainder of your current Extra Storage billing cycle will be free. You will receive a pro-rated refund from Yahoo! for any time remaining in your current billing cycle. The refund will be credited to the credit card you first used to sign up for your Extra Storage subscription. Your account will be credited within 30 days. The refund should appear on your credit card statement within the next 1-2 billing cycles.
At the end of your current billing cycle (that is, the anniversary of the date you first signed up for Extra Storage), and again each year after that, unless you tell us to cancel, your 2GB extra storage subscription will automatically renew for another year at the then-current price for new subscribers (currently $9.99 a year). All fees are charged in U.S. dollars. You will receive notice and further instructions via email near the end of your billing cycle.
They've also removed all ads, etc. But access seems REALLY slow. Probably everyone logging in at once to check it out...
Has Yahoo increased their attachment limit too ? or is it still the old 3mb ?
I've been sitting at 99% usage of my 100 MB for a fewmonths now (and thus having to delete stuff), and itching for the chance to switch to G-Mail.
Now I won't. $40/year for an email addy is chump change.
The only thing that might make me switch is if I hear that searching through your mail is considerably faster on GMail - my one major pet peeve with Yahoo mail (although it's been getting better) is the speed (orlack thereof) when searching for old messages, even just looking in the headers.
paintball
My entire yahoo account is a disposable address. Starts getting filled up switch to one of the other accounts that I have on yahoo or hotmail. No need to link, just stop checking. I could care less if I use up yahoo email space.
Of course, some of the chicks send me pictures of their tits and other privates. With a two meg limit, I generally had to download the pictures and store them encrypted on my computer at work. Now I have a little more wiggle room, so to speak.
I noticed that! I can understand that normally mail appearing to come from your email is spam, but when you compose it using their own editor surely they can figure out it might be real.
I'm curious to see what new features .mac will do to keep their user base at this point. It seems they are slowly rolling out new features nobody cares about like more icards, but if they double my homepage space i would be happy.
Personally for me, the more important thing was that the menus (DHTML drop down menus) now actually work with Opera!
Thank you Yahoo!
PS: For the record, on the other side of world, Yahoo messenger is as ubiquitous as AIM is in US. That means, virtually everybody who "chats" with friends has a Yahoo account. That means a *lot*. GMail... well its nice, but its even nicer to keep your existsing mail box and not have to notify everyone your change in address (and worse, miss people's messages!)
- mritunjai
Ok, everyone, quit with this binary mode of thinking For whatever impact this has on Google, this is *good* news. How many of you will have one google account or yahoo account only?
Just as Google is a lot more than the search engine, having a Yahoo identity is useful for more than just email.
In fact, I probably spend more time on Yahoo than on any other site these days
- Customized news,
- Finances,
- Movies,
- Maps,
- Groups...
- some shopping (though I use other services more often.)
- I'm constantly logged in to Yahoo's IM,
- sometimes use the Video Conferencing feature.
- I'll also play Yahoo Games,
- use calendar features at times.
- Yahoo's has the best solution for maintaining several identities
- I use at least one for Work, (As a consultant, I use one identity for each client)
- one for long term personal,
- one for short term personal.
Hell, on a daily basis, I probably use more resources from Yahoo than I do from any other media source including Google and TV.
100 MB will do it for me. It means that people can send me larger attachments, and I can keep some of them online. I also use YahooPOPs to pull my email onto my personal HD, so I don't anticipate having storage problems. Further, I'll still register for Gmail when it becomes available.
Create a business account. Enter a disposable account on some side system (not hotmail, MSN, or AOL). Then watch how the spam comes.
Hotmail, MSN, and AOL all do the same. MSN and AOL will also sell to spammers bandwidth and the use of your client IP to cover what is going on.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Also, for the tinfoil lovers in the audience, there is hushmail which I believe has been discussed here before. MUCH slower than fastmail, but very secure.
I've been using Yahoo! since the 6MB days. When I got my gmail invite, I approached it with an open mind. It reeled me in hook, line and sinker.
1) It's a clean interface. For the last 2 years I've been using Opera with Yahoo Mail just to apply a custom style sheet so I didn't have to see the horrid ads they put everywhere. Some were nearing seizure inducing. Oh? Yahoo mail cleaned their interface up you tell me? Yes... in response to gmail. That doesn't excuse the fact that without gmail, they thought it was OK to plaster my mail with ads.
2) Yahoo still has a tagline at the end of every mail. Will gmail? I don't know. But this is about how i still hate yahoo.
3) It's slow. It's always been slow. you have to reload the whole page to check for new mail. (no, I'm not going to run their messanger to check my mail, thanks). gmail has a nice 2-minute pooling feature.
4) Why is it so slow? They got rid of the graphical ads. I really thought that was most of the slow.
5) Slow. Will gmail be slow after beta? I don't know. But this is about how i still hate yahoo.
Not that I really care. I never used more than 1% of my 6mb... Because I only use pop mail, and I don't really get that much mail. My linux box is almost always on, so not much mail stays on the server for very long.
Am I the only one who doesn't need massive amounts of storage space on the web? I just want pop access.
I wish they would start offering pop access for a much smaller fee, perhaps $5.00 a year or something... I only want the 6mb, I don't care about the 2gb.
I don't like having service forced upon me. Why can't they just keep the service separate?
Well, anyway, I am starting to like web based email via gmail (I still really, really hate yahoos interface), so maybe I'll just abandon yahoo completely.
I never had space problems but now I can't even get my email on yahoo. Guess their servers are being overwhelmed with people checking it out.
Thanks yahoo.
It wouldn't be a problem normally, but I had an email about an interview in it I needed to check. Had to call the contact without knowing his name. Never quite heard it when I talked to him before, and naturally it was not a simply name like Bob, Jim, Jack, or Phil.
Notice: Change of service to your Yahoo! Mail account
Dear Yahoo! Mail User,
Thanks for using Yahoo! Mail. It's our goal to offer you an email experience that makes it easy and enjoyable to stay in touch. Periodically, we make service changes to enhance that experience for our users. As of June 15, 2004, you'll enjoy the following benefits:
Increased storage capacity - from your current level to 100MB
Increase in total message size to 10MB
A streamlined interface that's even easier to use
You will continue to access your Yahoo! Mail account as usual. No further action is required, and there will be no interruption of your service.
We hope you enjoy the new features and benefits. If you have any questions, please visit our Help page. Thanks again for using Yahoo! Mail.
Sincerely,
The Yahoo! Mail Team
I've been posting -1 Informative posts a lot recently. If I can get free pop access, then I'll just cancel my mail plus! and stick with the free offering. I wasn't aware they offered free pop access though...
I've had a mail.yahoo.com for a long time but I haven't really used it for a long time because A) I don't really need it and B) there is a ton of spam. I hadn't checked it since late March and just logged in to see my new quota. Boy, good thing they increased it because with a 100MB quota I'm only 3001% over. I have a few mail rules to move messages into a "suspect mail" folder (including if my address is not on the To: line) and there are 50,608 messages in there taking up 3,071,003k. I haven't even looked but if there's more than 2 legitimate messages out of the 67 in the Inbox, I'll be surprised. I think the account gets a disproportionate amount of spam because it has a very generic dictionary word for a name and people use it as a fake address.
The Bulk folder is empty even though SpamGuard is set to keep them for a month but that may be because my account has been disabled for being over quota. In the past I'd say SpamGuard got no more than 30% of the spam I receive.
The best part? You can't delete folders with messages in them! You can check a box to delete all the messages on the screen but the screen can't be set to display more than 200 messages at a time.
figured this article was as good a place as any to ask fellow slashdotters for their advice on picking an IMAP mail host. basically all I want is the ability to point my own DNS entries to use them as a mail exchange for my domain (even though there's only 1 e-mail account to be hosted).
MORTAR COMBAT!
$19.99 for a 2 gig mailbox? I've got a shared hosting account with 10Gbs disk space for cheaper than that. I get my own domain, spam control (my own choice), and NO ADs. I'd hope it's a one-time 20 bucks, non-recurring...
The 2GB option for paying users features search.
This is a great feature, If you can get to it...
LETS DECOMPOSE & ENJOY ASSEMBLING
I can't delete e-mails, can't mark all e-mails to delete or readed!!
I hope in the next days they solve all the problems, but 100 megabytes is fine for me, I read this account all days
Gah, the webmail interface for yahoo mail plus isn't much of an improvement.
Oh well, I don't look at it very often, so no big deal.
I'm kind of surprised there are so many ads there. Gmail's ads are definitely less intrusive. Hopefully that won't change.
I appear to have an excess of gmail invitations. First 3 that want one, get one - jb@users.pc9.org
Yeah, I have 6-7 Yahoo accounts (use them as spam collectors, just give them away when annoying sites require an email address). Two of them I've had for a couple of years now, and they're at 6 MB. The rest of them (which were opened up within 1-3 years from now) are at 4 MB.
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its not illegal, you just agreed not to run one when you agreed to the TOS. there are no laws about running mail servers on residential internet lines.
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I had my rocketmail transferred to yahoo when they bought it. First I had 4 megs, then a few years ago I had 6. Who has only 4?
stop it you filthy whore.
Hmmm... the new interface seems to resist pushing buttons from Firefox 0.8. Whenever I try to delete a message by pushing the "Delete" button at the top of the page it just sits there. Actually, none of the buttons work except the "Spam" button. And they don't graphically depress anymore. Actually, it kinda sucks - I dont really know if I pushed the button or not as it doesn't respond to clicks.
:)
I confirmed this on both Linux and WinXP. Is anyone else having this trouble? Where do you report these kinds of issues to who (webmaster@yahoo.com?)?
Otherwise, I think it's great! Maybe they decided that I didn't really need to delete my messages since I now have so much space.
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Say this again - are you saying you didn't agree to the terms of service therefore you are immune?
Most if not ALL broadband ISPs strictly prohibit servers - whether mail or DNS or FTP - without a business account. How are you claiming that you getting around that?
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
Ummmmm....no?
Obviously your reading comprehension is not so good. If you had read my post you would see that I get virtually no spam sent to my yahoo account. I think if yahoo was selling my info to spammers, I would be getting spam. I'm not quite sure what you're talking about with business accounts...I don't think yahoo makes any distinction between business and personal accounts.
I know hotmail accounts are plagued by spam (used to have one before switching to yahoo). MSN and AOL are different animals (being ISP's not webmail services), but I've never used either of them so I can't comment on their practices.
If God had had a computer it would have taken him 7 months to create the earth...if he even bothered to do it at all.
I got bit by this one.
I apparently was 2GB over my MINUS 2GB limit.
The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
Yahoo has about the best spam filter out there for a free service... and since spam gets sent to a special "bulk" folder, it doesnt count toward your quota...neither does "trashed" messages... its ok, you get that 100 megs all to yourself for free....
Eat a Chicken, You know you want to.
I just signed into my account and read the announcement about the new and improved Yahoo and when I clicked on the button centered below the message to go to my account ( http://us.f211.mail.yahoo.com/ym/trap?upgrade=Cont inue+to+Yahoo%21+Mail ) I received a new and improved error:
"The requested URL /ym/trap was not found on this server."
Umm, I have a Yahoo email account and ... yea I gots more space but I still don't have any options if my account is hacked.
No "abuse" help and certainly no explaination or guidance in the help files. Typical Corporate inhumanity.
Checking again this afternoon, things seem to have stabilised, and it's all quite nice :)
I mod down anyone who says "I will be modded down for this", regardless of the rest of their comment
is yes of course, the 1 GB of email storage. I guess that's not a big deal, because I technically have about 160GB free for email storage on my server.
But, the real cool thing about GMail is its interface: labels and speed.
Labels? Well, they're awesome, and I find myself wanting them when I'm in Squirrelmail or Kerio Webmail now. They're kind of just like folders, except that you can apply multiple labels to one copy of a message. Great feature, you probably wouldn't see the big deal until you started using them.
Speed? It appears that the GMail interface is largely a Javascript app, so a lot of it "runs" on the local machine. This means using it is extremely quick, because you're not generating constant HTTP traffic.
I just logged in to my mail (I'm an SBC DSL customer) and all (at least primary) SBC DSL accounts were immediately upgraded to 2GB storage.
Cool Beans...
I have been totally unimpressed with Gmail's interface so far. Sure, it's fast once the initial page loads (which takes forever), but only if you have a fast computer that can handle the tons of javascript it requires. The browser requirements are also a little absurd for email, mostly because of all the javascript.
The search is nice, and labeling is a cool idea, but I hate the threading. I rarely need to keep track of entire conversations (quoting relevant parts of them in the actual email does the job better) and Gmail routinely identifies multiple emails as part of a conversation when they are not.
Yahoo, on the other hand, is stable, does not require a lot of javascript (it uses it, but still has functionality with earlier browsers), and doesn't try so hard to collect personal information on me. The paying version of Yahoo is great, too, supporting things that Gmail is missing, like choosing from multiple From addresses when sending an email, and POP access. And if you ask me, $20 a year is not so much. Plus, with the new changes today, there's even more storage than Google and no banner ads.
I really don't see how Gmail is "incredible" or "revolutionary".
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Because, quite frankly, Google's "Conversation" interface is unintuitive and clumsy. Or am I the only one that feels that way? I'm a GMail tester, and though I like the size of storage I decisively dislike how all the messages are kept in "conversation blocks". I thought I'd get used to it, but I'm definately not getting used to it. I think with E-Mail comes certain presentation expectations, and like an ideology they're hard to break... at least for me.
-Vendal Thornheart
given this new trend, anyone think thers a chance of msn/hotmail boosting my spam catcher account?
Quit modding it. :P
I just logged in all excited like and the interface looks like doggy-doo, if you can imagine doggy-doo with some kind of narrow blue horizontal stripes all over it. Also it looks like the stylesheet is completely missing. This is using a late-model Mozilla. Back to gmail I s'pose ;-).
Umm probably because they have an extremely large number of servers and serve millions of customers so they roll out in waves because a) it's not practical to roll out to every server at once anyway and b) they want to detect problems as they roll out and fix them before everybody is screwed. Clearly you've never worked with real software in the real world.
I'm logging into my upgraded account for the first time using OS X Safari. Looks more or less the same, but lots of the text has these dark blue lines behind it (instead of solid shading) which I can't read over very well. Plus the form buttons and combo boxes no longer respond to my mouse clicks at all.
So sure, 100MB is great for nothing, but their redesign has rendered my favorite browser completely useless for reading my mail. Nice user testing, Yahoo.
(Ironically, coming from an Ex-Troll.) The key to thinking is COMMON SENSE.
I'm still waiting for Yahoo to accept that Mozilla and Firefox are acceptable secure browsers.
I don't use my Yahoo! e-mail for much (some site registrations, mostly), but I do use the calendar. I love that I can put in an event--I mostly use it for birthdays, weddings, graduations, etc.--and have it e-mail me reminders at the e-mail address I do check all the time at times I designate. For example, I have birthdays set to send me reminders one week and one day in advance. That way if I've spaced it out, I have enough time between the reminder and the birthday to buy a gift and put it in the mail and I have that last minute reminder so that if I also want to send an e-card or an e-mail on the actual day, I'll remember it.
The new Yahoo Mail page looks like hell with
my Opera 7.23 browser. The fonts are smaller and do not line up correctly with the icons in the folders column on the left.
Create a business account. Enter a disposable account on some side system
The business account is set up for a company with multiple accounts under it. You must enter a personal account for each of those. So if business account abc.com is registered, then you would set up mutiple email addresses under it (such xyz@abc.com). When creating these, the parent poster is suggesting that you register with none major isp's e-mail.
I think that it is safe to assume that Yahoo, AOL, and MSN will not be sending spam directly against their own accounts, but against accounts on other systems. IOW,they are using their customers input to harvest e-mail accounts from other systems.
Obviously your reading comprehension is not so good.Hummmmm. A lack of knowledge on your part and/or your own inability to read is to be construed as a lack of reading on the parent's part? Or perhaps you prefer to troll?
no stories about the terrible mozilla support? Its horrible that i cannot read my email anymore from my favorite source....cries heavily
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For the last two months, Yahoo had been displaying a message over my inbox advising me to pay for more storage. Now, they're giving me the storage they were asking me to pay for just yesterday.
It makes me wonder, if I had decided to pay for the 100mb of mail storage space yesterday, would they have offered me a refund today?
Screw a company that provides you with world-class service for free. Now that would be fair, right?
irrelevant. No one really needs more than 100M of email space. Now they will have to compete on convenience, features, etc. They (they being Google) are still in a strong position, but not as strong as before. If I were to choose between email providers I'd use the one that has POP3 (or IMAP) available and better spam filtering.
I actually thing Google screwed themselves by announcing this service too early in the game. If they announced a full blown, stable version they'd have a GIANT market lead.
Get you 1gig free now at SpyMac. No invites necessary.
coupled with some of the best spam-filtering available
Hmm. I'm looking to transfer my web mail from Yahoo to Gmail now, because Yahoo Spam filters fail too much.
I'm on a couple dozen mailing lists, and *every* mailinglist that I am on has ended up in the Bulk folder, including mailing lists that I manage, email from CERT and even some email from Yahoo's Paydirect (I checked and it was a legitimate email).
For the last 2 weeks a bunch of Spam containing unobfuscated words like "Viagra" and "Teen Sex" made it past the Spam filters, yet an email from CERT was in my Bulk folder.
Granted, I've had my Yahoo account for about 7 years and I get alot of spam. But the number of false positives is pretty amazing. Every day I probably receive 5 legit emails and 150 messages in my bulk folder. Usually 3-5 spam messages are missed by the Spam filters, and 1-2 legit emails are tagged as Spam.
I've clicked the "Not Spam" button for each of these mailinglists, but I rarely notice any improvement (probably because there are a hundred other recipients who don't tag the email as "Not Spam").
The only solution was to add the dozens of "From:" address for each of the mailinglists to my addressbook.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
A few weeks ago they removed the ability to export from the address book as VCards. Without any warning or explanation.
It was pretty cool too. I found this feature and banged in about a hundred contacts on the old OS-9 iMac at work that has no decent contact manager. Now I can't export these contacts in VCF format, which pissed me off quite a bit.
I can't even find a a way to complain about it !
Does any know off hand if gmail can export contacts as VCards ? (and if the contact manager is any good yet)
Check out Nexic's Personal Publisher. It doesn't give you a PST file, but it does archive your email.
Or if you really want a PST, open your GW mailbox with outlook as a front-end(assuming you are on a live system, and not just POP3).
Look, the reason I'm gonna go with Google for my free webmail is that I actually have a chance of getting something decent as my name, instead of some misspelled-word+four-digit-number...
"Decent" e-mail addresses will probably soon be gone with G-mail. Furthermore, I don't think it is a good idea to have a decent e-mail address at a very common domain - that's an invitation for spammers using dictionary attacks (of course, it can be expected that GMail will have good filters, but it is much better if your address doesn't end up on spammers' lists, at all). I think it is much better to use decent e-mail addresses at less common domains (there are quite good smaller e-mail providers, and some offer choosing one of several domains) or - even better - to have your own domain, it's not that expensive any more.
I intend using GMail when it becomes available, but I'll just forward my mails to it so that they are easily accessible and retrieveable from any computer with web access, but I'm going to use a strange cryptic e-mail address I won't tell anyone.
My Yahoo mail box was upgraded last night--cough. To -2048.0MB (sic). I then got a message telling me that my account had been suspended because I was way over my limit, having a whopping 0.0MB of mail stored. I'm meditating on the metaphysics of negative storage space. Does this mean that I have to host their data?
Please, please retrace your steps and post the URL for Yahoo Support here.
Last year, my father spent 3 weeks searching their website and calling every phone number he found. He finally reached someone in California that told him that Yahoo has no interest in supporting their subscribers.
His issue was the lost functionality when using Mozilla rather than MSIE for RichText. He really likes sending HTML emails, although I convinced him not to send them to me. I still get them when he sends to the whole family.
I spend my life entertaining my brain.
If it wasn't for competition, Yahoo would continue to descend into suckdom. Maybe, hopefully, they'll do away with the ripoff that is their $300 annual fee for being considered for listing in their directory. Ridiculously greedy.
BTW, Yahoo's mail servers appear to be slashdotted??
"Net Timeout Error
The operation timed out when attempting to contact us.f529.mail.yahoo.com.
The browser timed out while trying to connect to the specified site. The site may be experiencing high loads that are slowing it down, or network problems are preventing data from being received from it in a timely manner. If the site is likely to be busy, consider waiting a few moments before retrying the request."
(Weird - try cut and pasting error messages from Firefox. You get a bunch of different messages.)
John Kerry is a Joke!
Just more room for more spam....
Yahoo's spam filtering actually sucks. It's constantly putting newsletters and such in the Bulk Mail folder. You'd think they'd have some sort of Bayesian learning function connected to the "This is not spam" button. Evidently not.
Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology; Ain't got time to make no apology
I agree with you. And here's some relevant ramblings.
/. front page. Either way, once those issues are cleared up, I'll have an email account that I wouldn't trade for a free gMail account. Yahoo has been in this game much longer and they know what they're doing. I've never lost data with them. My understanding of Google's idea of "redundancy" is to throw 100 cheap PCs at the problem and hope nothing gets lost. I love their search engine, but that's not exactly an awe inspiring model for retaining personal data.
I don't know if you've actually tried Yahoo's Plus service, but I have it and it rocks. Besides the 2GB storage space, I *DO* have POP access to my Yahoo mail account. Couple that with Yahoo's near perfect spam filtering (I see maybe 2 or 3 spam a day out of about 500 I receive every day), and it's really a helluva service.
Besides email Yahoo also gives me a personal home page that is VERY configurable, a nice address book with import/export capabilities, a personal calendar, a personal file area (briefcase), etc. Does Google provide all that? I doubt it. On top of that, they would have to provide a better version of all that in order for people like me to care.
There currently ARE some response time issues with Yahoo mail, but those may be related to the Akamai issues noted on today's
We'll see how it all pans out. But for now, Yahoo gets actual money from me and Google does not.
Please mod this post only if you think others should/n't read this. I have enough ego^H^H^Hkarma. Thanks!
Anyone know of a tool for Mozilla or Thunderbird that I can check a gmail account without using a browser.
I'm currently using YahooPops to check my Yahoo Account, but if their was a tool for Gmail I would convert in a sec.
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Great my email account has been upgraded to 100mb but I would rather have my briefacse.yahoo.com expanded. Its currently at 30mb - will this also get to be 100mb?
MSIE has a link "Plain | Color and Graphics" next to the title "Compose". It defaulted to Plain, but showed the RichText icons after clicking "Color and Graphics". I could not find an Option to make that choice permanent. (If Yahoo is technologically competent, they may default it to your last choice. I did not test.)
Mozilla had the ability to send HTML emails from Yahoo. It was missing some of the functionality available in MSIE. Today, there is no option to send HTML email.
If Yahoo was technologically competent, they would have writtten the functionality to the standards so all browsers could use it. Instead, they wrote a crippled version for non-MSIE users. That was almost understandable when MSIE had over 90% of the browser users. Now that MSIE usage has declined, and the rate of the decline is increasing, they completely remove the functionality.
Shall we start some conspiracy theories about how Yahoo wants to encourage use of Microsoft products? That seems unlikely unless they are hoping MS will buy them, which also seems unlikely in today's merger-resistant world.
I spend my life entertaining my brain.
That Anonymous Coward guy posts a lot of stuff!
Now I'll have around 50x more spam!
Bet this
C'mon, people. NEVER delete E-Mail? If I never deleted E-Mail, I'd end up with tens of gigabytes of E-Mail, within just a few years. Afterall, I subscribe to mailing lists, and many of them are high volume. That would just be redundant since they're already archived in many places anyway.
I have been using Yahoo! mail for a while now and it's been fairly OK.
/. effect trying to use Yahoo! mail today is just horrable! I made the mistake today of making an online order and putting my Yahoo! mail addy in the form and upon trying to go there have been getting nothing but network errors from Opera. (As a side note, the main interface looks like ass in Opera right now, which is not cool.)
/.! Heh.
Them removeing the free POP service was kinda annoying but whatever. You get what you pay for.
However, thanks to their latest move and now the
Thanks again
Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
Figures... Last night i had to clean out 2 of my 4 yahoo emails because they were both over 90% full. And if I would of waited till today I could of left them all there. Damned my luck to hell!
2GB of Spam for only $19.99 ... a sampling of 100M available 'free' (as in beer).
Natty
Maybe the rain Isn't really to blame. So I'll remove the cause, But not the symptom!
I haven't used yahoo's mail in a few years, but as I remember the interface was clunky, slow, and painful, and there were adds above and/or below.
.js file that is cached locally and after that everything is very very quick.
Regardless of the space they give you, that's probel number one. GMail has a very slick interface. It's as responsive as a web based user interface as any of the standalone mail programs I have used, which is very impressive. From what I hear, there is an 80kb
There isn't any difference between one gigabyte and one hundred megabytes to 99.9% of the people out there who could fit their mail in a few megs easily. It's really only power-users/mailing list subscribers who'll even approach one hundred. Heck, at my school I'm capped at $150 and after a year of deleting nothing I'm only at 30%. I'm a member of python-dev and wxpython-users which are both moderately trafficked groups and used to belong to python-users which is a very high traffic group. All these messages (thousands) are still around. It would take me a lot of time to fill that 150M, much less a gigabyte.
In any case, Yahoo should follow google's lead in the ad policies/user interface, rather than raw space. You could offer a terabyte and no one would even approach it, *it doesn't matter* If you're using a gig on gmail right now, chances are you are either being gratuitously inefficient or somehow abusing the system (using it for backup or something). There's just no way.
Brian
It's been awhile since I had a Yahoo! account, but what I remember of it was pretty much like every other Web-based email system -- every other, except Gmail. Sure, sure, the storage space is nice, but that's just a component of what really makes Gmail useful: Full-featured search capability.
Here's an example, from which you can extrapolate your own interests (coding, or recipes, or political commentary, etc., instead of models). As a photographer, I like to be kept informed about new models in my area who have signed up with OneModelPlace.com. So, I have signed up with that site to get automated notifications, which now go to my Gmail account. When I get a notification, I decide -- by looking at the model's portfolio -- whether it's a "keeper" or not. If not, I delete it, because I don't want it coming up in my searches later. If it's a keeper, I tack on a "Interesting Models" label and archive the message. That's where the big storage helps.
Then, when I want to find a model that meets certain criteria, I can do a search in my Gmail account. For example, I could do a search for "nude AND edmonds" if I wanted to find a model in Edmonds, WA who is available for nude work. This is better than doing a search on OMP directly, because I know the model's portfolio isn't "stale" (since some "models" on OMP are no longer modeling), and I've already culled out those models I probably wouldn't be interested in working with (for whatever reason -- cost, looks, etc.), so my results in my Gmail search are prequalified.
Other features of Gmail are nice, but not necessarily unique. For example, Opera's email client allows the use of labels (although I haven't used that client enough to know if they work as well as Gmail's label feature). Other features are underpowered or missing -- if you're looking for a Web-based email address that has lots of integration gimmicks, then Gmail doesn't cut it, at least not yet. But for raw power for the core purpose of handling email, I'm liking Gmail more and more.
Obviously, as with any Web-based email, or really any non-encrypted email, there are privacy concerns, but those can be managed. While I probably won't use Gmail for personal mail very often (if ever), I certainly will use it for newsletters and other content that I might want to be able to search in the future.
No Laughing Allowed!
I don't use my email all that much. After having used the default 6MB Yahoo mailbox for over five years, I finally signed up for a 25 MB Yahoo mailbox last year, for $19.99. Now I have a 2GB upgrade. What am I supposed to do with so much space? Trade MP3s? Of course I can leave it free, but Murphy's law creates this tremendous urge to fill all that space with something!
It seems any outages on yahoo are for the free accounts, my paid accoutn responds quickly but my free one keeps timing out. I guess they're really trying to convince people to pay.
If you're using MSN (R) Explorer (R), you would get unlimited space* for storing your email messages, pictures and Word (R) documents(R).
*Restricted to your hard disk's free space.
*documents(R) is about to be a registered trademark of Microsoft(R). Microsoft(R) is a registered trademark of Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved for you to use.
I couldn't care less about the new yahoo limits...I don't use my yahoo accounts.
However...starting exactly yesterday, I got my first spam in my yahoo dsl account (I check it occaisionally for announcements, but I have never sent mail from it). I have now gotten a couple more, and it's now clear that somewhere in the change some addresses leaked out.
Anybody else noticing an uptick in spam?
Got my Gmail account pretty easily. My brother's friend sent him an invite. It looks like all new Gmail users get 3 invites to distribute after about 30 minutes after logging into the system. That will make for pretty quick exponential growth of their beta. Ask around Gmail may be coming to you sooner than you think.
As far as why even 100 MB is not enough, it is because of the amazing ability to categorize email with filters. Every crappy freemail account can be consolidated to gmail and filters applied.
Rather than just shlepping email into folders, multiple Labels can be applied to each email and searches can be performed on the basis of those Labels. Thusly, a particular email can have pr0n, Rotary Club, top secret and ebay labels all at the same time and still be easily brought up for review.
Just wish they could do boolean searches on labels. Will have to email that one to the Gmail folks.
The ulitmate parent made the statement that yahoo is "selling your info that you register and from your e-mail".
I can say that yahoo isn't selling my e-mail to spammer (I get very little spam).
As for them selling the e-mail addresses I send/receive e-mail to/from to spammers, which I believe is implied as well, I can also say that has not happened to me since I also have an e-mail account through my personal website (basically the same thing as the business account you describe), and have sent mail between it and yahoo, and it gets no spam at all. So unless I got lucky and the e-mail harvesting bots missed all those messages, yahoo isn't selling the addresses of those I correspond with.
My statements all describe my experience with yahoo mail, whereas yours and the parents broadly assume all corporations are evil (except the sacred google). If you have any evidence that yahoo is behaving in such a nefarious manner, I'd like to hear it since I wouldn't want to be burdening my friends with more spam, but until there is evidence please cut out the FUD.
Finally: "Or perhaps you prefer to troll?" says the AC troll....ahh the hypocrisy!
If God had had a computer it would have taken him 7 months to create the earth...if he even bothered to do it at all.
I got so sick of the spam entering my inbox (yes, spamguard on) I created a new Yahoo account. Did not use it. Within 5 minutes I was spammed! It was an unusualy yahoo ident too.
God damn you slashdot! I don't care about yahoo's upgrade. All I want to do is check my fucking email--but I can't because (presumably) yahoo's email service is being slashdotted.
Or am I the only one out here being affected?
...does anyone else find the font in the body of the 'Compose' page waaaay too small to read?
--Phil
"It's amazing how our industry is strewn with beautiful, dead technology and bitter engineers." --M. Huyck
I just logged into my paid account and I'm using 0% of my 2GB Limit.
:)
Too bad they dont support IMAP I'd really love it then
newsletters and such in the Bulk Mail folder
Newsletters are bulk mail. I don't know why so many of you don't know that "Bulk Mail Folder" != "Spam Folder".
I am really pleased about this, a nice present from Yahoo this morning. The previous limit wasn't bad if as others mention you transfer text or zipped docs, now it can be more like my USB pen drive.
% finger ceo_numero_uno@gmail.comm
ceo_numero_uno@gmail.co
Eric Schmidt
Chairman of the Executive Committee and CEO
Plan:
1. Assert control over search engine.
2. Create slogan: do no evil.
3. Create wide public base and become search standard.
4. Obtain identities and all personal information of users.
5. Modify slogan: do evil.
6. Enslave users as pod-people, topple all governments, hunt down all non-believers, and convert statue of liberty into large effigy of my left buttocks.
Let me put it this way: the messages filtered by the Yahoo SpamGuard (not BulkGuard, mind you) -- including bulk, like newsletters -- are called Spam, by Yahoo's system.
If Bulk folder != Spam folder in Yahoo world, I must be missing something.
Look out honey, 'cause I'm using technology; Ain't got time to make no apology
Schernau's 2nd Law strikes: by "signing" your post with either your real name or your sig, you invalidate the message in the post by being a dork
I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
...is the inability to log into either one of my accounts now. At least I won't run out of space and can keep receiving enlargment messages. I don't know how they ever found out I needed those.
"illegal" means there is a law against it. ISPs don't make laws. Violating a TOS agreement is breaking a contract, not a law.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
as well. I'd been paying 29.99 per year for Yahoo Plus, with their huge half page blinking ads and 25 meg storage. The price dropped to 19.99 and now there's 2 gigs worth of space on there. They also added a "search email" button. So, if nothing else good comes from Gmail, at least the other providers are on the track to giving up more services. Hotmail hasn't followed suit yet, but I'm sure it's coming.
My good looks paid for that pool, and my talent filled it with water.
I have been unable to access my mail all day. Why do I care? Because my job keeps me on the road and Yahoo was one way of staying in contact. Not today.
Fuck 'em. I'm outta there.
I use the POP access and a custom domain name through Yahoo! for like ~$35/year and logged on this morning to find an email saying anyone with premium services will recieve the 2GB. Of course with POP access, why would I need this space when I download all my mail to my home systems? Given some of the recent problems with certain online email systems (uh, hotmail) deleting or *loosing* messages, I would rather trust the RAID on my home server (4x 36GB 15K SCSI w/hotspare).
I pay $20 per year to be able to access my Yahoo mail via POP3, plus the ability to use Yahoo's SMTP server. This morning, I got a message telling me that I was being upgraded for free to 'Mail Plus' which includes that plus an upped storage capacity to 2GB. About once a month, I'd exceed my 6MB storage because someone sent a few large attachments (I've had a Yahoo email for a while, so I had 6MB.) My wife who signed up after me only had 4MB, and hers would run over more often. She also has POP/Forwarding, so I assume hers will be upped as well. Heck, with 2GB, I think I'll tell it to just always leave messages on the server. (For now, I have it set up so that it deletes messages after they've been on my computer a week.)
I'm posting from an anon computer, but when I get home I'll post the text of the email.
Of course, it won't stop their computer falling over because of all the other crap they clicked "okay" to.
Another annoying point is that I get a lot of spam in Chinese but am not able to set a filter for that. That would help a lot in getting rid of spam.
Try telling this to them, though. Trying to send them a suggestion about their spam system always takes you to a pre-formatted page to *report* spam, which you can do from the email interface anyway. They are unreachable.
Checking two email accounts takes longer, and searching for an old message requires going to two sites. Forwarding is not an option if you want Google's interface since Yahoo!'s forwarding is paid for (I assume Google will let people forward and pop3 their email though).
What all of these providers fail to realize is that the popularity of Gmail has to do with 2 things, and neither of them are the 1 Gig limit. 1) It's exclusive. Only certain people have it, so everyone else wants it. On that note, I have 3 invitations and nothing to do with them. Let me know if you're interested. 2) Search. Gmail has the best email search I've ever seen. Other providers simply can't compete with Google's search technology.
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@gmail.com is sooooo much cooler then having @hotmail.com or at yahoo.com. I for one would just like to finally cut the cord from M$ and switch my @hotmail.com for @gmail.com. I registered for hotmail before it was owned my M$ and I never would have if I had known they would buy it. Funny how M$ tries to buy everything I love.
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Or did not you see the Beta word plastered in the sign on page?
I don't have one, and most people don't.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Oh, sorry, you should be 16.
gmail is beta, most people do not have an account.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Anybody with enough or $$$ can go to London and see it for themselves.
Many people applied for beta accounts of gmail and obviously (and understandably) only a few have them.
For the immense majority of Internet users, gmail is a lot of hot air and hype, willfully helped by some of the testers.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
Hey... I've got a couple gmail invitations that I'm not using... if anyone wants a gmail account just drop me an e-mail at:
duncan.deyoung@gmail.com
Not only is Gmail "Opera-unfriendly," it's unusable with Opera. That's my biggest gripe with it so far, but for now I'm OK with switching over to Mozilla for using my Gmail account.
In Gmail's case it's having them snoop your mail, placing "relevant" adds in strategic locations, on a beta quality product that hasn't been long-term tested.
Hey, how do you think SPAM filtering happens? Magic SPAM fairies that use ESP to detect SPAM without opening the mail?
In Googles case they just use the scan to also feed you a few relevant ads. It's not like there is a dirty old man behind the curtain laughing at your email to your mom or what have you. It's an automated system with no state, or persistance.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I have my Yahoo account for years, and very rarely it filled up (6 MB).
Recently with spam counting against your quota and more and more graphic attachments I was seriously considering alternatives (I also like POP3 access, I want to backup my own email in my own backup media, thanks).
And now Yahoo gives me what I need: 100 MB when I would have been happy with 20 or 30 at most.
I think they do get it, no wonder they have been around since the popularization of the Internet.
Now I don't need to change an email address that everybody that knows me is familiar with.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
So they've sent this email:
The only thing I dislike is the 10MB attachment limit. (Every once in a while, I'd like to send something larger. But my work lets me send unlimited size, so I just use that when I need to.)
2GB is so ridiculously much space that now I'll leave all of my messages on the server, instead of having them delete after a week.
Another non-functioning site was "uncertainty.microsoft.com."
The purpose of that site was not known.
Answer: you don't.
Consumerism tainted of laziness.
IANAL but write like a drunk one.
1. Hotmail is still a PALTRY 2 megabytes. Is that a joke or what!!?? 2. Has anyone else considered the *ahem* 0-day file sharing possibilities available with 1 gig email accounts? Can you say iso1@gmail.com and iso2@gmail.com, etc.? What is the biggest size attachment that each system will accept?
breach of contract is breaking the "law"
Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
I was using something called RocketMail back in...'97 I think? Then RocketMail bit it (or was bought by Yahoo!) and my email address then turned to "name.rm@yahoo.com" instead of "name@rocketmail.com" My how long ago that was...and how far we've come. There is no point to this post. Just thought I'd post anyway.
Well, your original post made it sound like you meant criminal law - it invoked images of heavily armed police breaking into your house in the middle of the night to shut down your mailserver in the same way they shut down a drug lab or counterfieting ring.
Besides, although there are laws saying "you can be sued if you don't comply with the terms of this contract you signed", it's not as if there's a law saying "you are not allowed to run a mailserver"
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
Yahoo Messenger has been broken all afternoon. Sign-ins just hang at the "Connecting as..." screen.
SIXTH hundred and SIXTIETh POST!!!!
I have a Yahoo acct I would check every day if it would work properly with any browser other than IE. As it stands, the word "unusable" springs to mind...
Hmm... Maybe he's hinting at something by using capitOlism vs. capitAlism... We all know what happens at the capitol don't we?
it's actually been working that way for about a month for my account... 4000+ spam sitting there now (Unfortunately, probably a few real emails too.)
Atleast that's what I see all day while trying to check my Yahoo! Mail free account.
As I see it: Google created Gmail. Forced Yahoo! to upgrade their free mail offering. Yahoo! upgrades. People go nuts and overload their whole friggin' mail system. Yahoo! mail goes down. Google laughs. Gmail remains up and running. Yahoo! spends oodles of money to upgrade systems to the new upgraded mail specs. Google says Gmail a failure and pulls the pug. Yahoo! eats crow. Google laughs more.
Just an idea...
Well, as long as Google has their Stanfordites running the helm, they're going to not have that thing public. They'll keep it "beta" to deflect criticism, and go on with other services that can be done so. They learned this lesson from Orkut, and this is the only way Google will ever work as long as they can use this bluff. Compete by making your products scale limited, and you dont have to spend a dime. The only thing is, that at some time, Google's bluff will be called, and they'll end up eating crow while those who truly have the scale and openness that Google doesnt. (given their policy of keeping things internal yet being "open" to the public)
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Oops. I opened www.yahoo.com with MSIE to check. You are correct.
www.yahoo.com's "Help" link is part of the graphic at the top. I was using Mozilla 1.3.1 with "Accept images from originating server only". Mozilla1.3's "Manage Images" was useless.
I just upgraded to Mozilla1.6 to check if I could still complain. It is now possible to allow images from certain servers! The interface is quite user-intensive, but it is possible. The user has to know that the images are coming from yimg.com to add that domain to the Allow list. The "Copy Link Location" is useful, but the interface still expects too much knowledge and work from the user.
Right-clicking an image (or the space where it should appear) has the option "Block images from this server". It does not have the option "Allow images from this server" or the more useful "Allow images from this domain". And "View image" still opens the image into the whole window (or tab) rather than showing it in context (as any user would expect.)
Mozilla is slowly improving. Maybe they will get an interface designer to help the project soon. Or should I be checking Firefox for a user-friendly experience?
I spend my life entertaining my brain.
After upgrading from Mozilla1.3 to Mozilla1.6, it changed the theme to the default. When I tried to change it, it complained that the chosen theme was for a previous version, and please click OK to uninstall it. After clicking OK, the "Apply Theme" menu refused to open until I restarted Mozilla.
After repeating this twice (to prove the bug), I went into Preferences and removed all the themes for previous versions. Preferences does tell you which themes are for previous versions, but there is no "Remove all obsolete themes" button. Better would be a "Upgrade all themes" button, with the question to automatically remove all themes that cannot be upgraded. This would require each theme to remember where it came from, and for the websites to have the ability to know there is an applicable version. This should be easy if architected well.
I then downloaded the current Microzilla theme. Why do most of the themes use big buttons? Screen space is always at a premium. I usually run 1024x768 (on a 21" monitor), and often need to adjust higher to have enough space (or use a second PC to browse while working on my main box.) I was on a friend's PC earlier today, and she runs 800x600 on a 15" monitor; Mozilla with the default large icons uses about one quarter of the screen for non-content.
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BTW, I just got mod points again. The last batch expired unused this morning.
I spend my life entertaining my brain.
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I do.
"You might as well get your son a ticket to hell as give him a five string banjo." -unknown minister
Many, many people have my current email address. I have several other email addresses set up to point to my address. All of my email is in the account, and that account is accessable from anywhere.
Saving $20/year is not worth the hassle of moving to a different account.
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YOU ARE A DUMB FUCK
Indian free webmail provider Rediff is offering 1 GB space and 10 MB attachments already. Lets see when MSN hops on.
Tahya al-Moqawama al-Iraqiya!
The American pigs do not know what awaits them very soon. We will make their cities burn like they burnt al-Fallujah! America will soon forget 11 September when they see what is in store for them in the coming months!
The American dogs will die in the millions for the death they have brought to our lands!
DEATH TO AMERICAN DOGS.