I'm sure it is fine for lots of fun and engaging games. Things like Diablo II, Warcraft, the 'tycoon' games, etc.
Probably inadequate for eye-candy-for-the-sake-of-it games, of course. But it sounds (Nethack ref.) like you prefer to render your graphics with wetware, which no silicon will surpass, probably in our lifetimes.
Or, maybe a very few people will. This is Slashdot, where many people weren't even into puberty by the time NEWS had failed. These folks wouldn't even recognize a 411 case if one fell on their foot, let alone any really classic Sun stuff.
I live in the sorta-south (there are at least a dozen goats living within a mile of here, and plenty of people hereabouts talk like Huckleberry Hound) on a country road. There aren't any bullet holes in our mailbox. There better not be, as UPS delivers things like hard drives and CD Writers to that mailbox from eBay (big country mailboxes rule!)
I ran NetBSD/sparc64 on my Ultra 1 system for a short while.
To be able to say I had a 64 bit system.
But the Mozilla package wouldn't build on/sparc64. There were various other key packages that wouldn't build.
I came to the realization that I was running 64 bits for the sake of running 64 bits. I haven't been using that system for much lately. It's possible that they've gotten Mozilla to build on Sparc64 by now, but I haven't kept in touch.
My point? What are you running the 64 bit processor for? Are you a developer? Are you helping the developers by being a trailblazer/tester for their new code? Or just to show off to your friends?
And what are you doing with said 64 bit OS and processor?
Just running it for it's 64-bittedness?
I played around with a Sparc Ultra 1 machine (64 bit system) for awhile. Unless you know what you're doing all you end up doing is banging away with a wider data path than you need a significant portion of the time. Cycle per cycle, unless you know what you're doing, you actually slow your hardware down.
It just doesn't cut it to say '64 bits' for the sake of the bigger number.
Maybe you're making good use of it. It'd be cool if you could demonstrate it with an explanation of how you're using it.
so, do tell, please show the comparable AMD / INTL motherboards that are significantly different in price?
Well, I got a whole skid (aprox. 80 machines) of Dell Optiplex systems at auction this past spring for $40. The machines all had Pentium II processors in them, upgradable to PIII chips.
There's 'nary an AMD part that will plug into those motherboards. And I don't think there's an AMD board out there that can be had for 50 cents. Frankly, the AMD parts are 'niche' enough that there will probably NEVER be skids of AMD-based systems for under a doller per system.
(typing this on one of those systems, BTW- about 8 of them had PIII chips)
I used to say I would never, ever, use a proprietary footprint motherboard. Times change, tho.
For me to have 'always been an AMD fan' I would have to have been a bigtime enthusiast for the 2900-series bit-slice parts from AMD. I don't think they made any 'processors' earlier than that, and I know I was a 'processor' enthusiast before that. Hrrmm....
Naw, I was more into TTL (the 74181 rulez, dude!) back then.
No, but many of the 'organizers' are communists. This runs through all the 'progressive issue' movements. I have participated in said events in the past. I remember a particular band of Maoists in the late 70's. They had 'cadre' placed in high leadership positions within the 'mass' Anti-Nuclear movement. They kinda soft-pedaled on China's nuke programs. In the WWII era, there were many 'pacifists' who suddenly became 'United Front' pro-war partisans when Germany invaded the USSR. This is easily verified by examining the historical record.
There really are very few true pacifists anywhere. Many people in the anti-war movement are perfectly comfortable marching beneath banners that read: "Fight For Peace" or "Smash Imperialism" and the like.
Only in the same way that you can take apart the binaries for 'closed source' software.
You get a bunch of stamped and machined parts when you take apart a car. You don't get the 'source code,' which is a bunch of expensive tooling and machines, etc.
Don't fool yourself. If there had been a referendum, a hundred bombs would have been dropped on as many cities in Japan. WWII-era America wasn't particularly pacifist. Hell, even most of the 'usual suspect' pacifists of today were involved because of the 'United Front' with the state that followed their favored system of political economy.
Definitely. A good package should also build on NetBSD/vax, and even NetBSD/mac68k. There's nothing cooler than being able to run the current software on my old Mac SE/30 (and on an old Cassiopeia 'Palm PC' liberated from Windows CE).
You can semi-permanently wipe away the irrelevant distracting bits of Slashdot easily by checking the 'light' menu box in user config, and then right clicking to block graphics from images.slashdot.org. That, and blocking images from a few ad servers, and Slashdot returns to being content-rich and eyespam free.
I tried using IE the other day at work. *cringe* i missed my firefox.
I tried using firefox awhile back. I badly missed my integrated WYSIWYG HTML editor (great for cutting and pasting formatted web content to save locally). Had to go back to Mozilla proper.
If they're going to produce a 'component-ized' Mozilla, why don't they also put out a stand-alone version of Composer?? A WWW without every client having an easy to use HTML editor is chilling.
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Those cool tech toys we all love cost less relatively for me now than they did when I lived in a small town.
That doesn't make sense. UPS shipping rates aren't that different to flyover than they are to an urban address...
in a lousy part of town.
Don't be redundant. You already mentioned it was So. Cal you were talking about...
I'm sure it is fine for lots of fun and engaging games. Things like Diablo II, Warcraft, the 'tycoon' games, etc.
Probably inadequate for eye-candy-for-the-sake-of-it games, of course. But it sounds (Nethack ref.) like you prefer to render your graphics with wetware, which no silicon will surpass, probably in our lifetimes.
Nobody here is gonna remember NEWS.
Or, maybe a very few people will. This is Slashdot, where many people weren't even into puberty by the time NEWS had failed. These folks wouldn't even recognize a 411 case if one fell on their foot, let alone any really classic Sun stuff.
Actually, the Sun material is about a company that may last more than another year or so, so it's her hopes for a future meal ticket.
None of us think SCO is gonna last, do we? So she has to find new windmills to tilt at.
they can just take NFS back until they get it right, though.
The place where I see buggy, unreliable NFS performance is on Linux, not on anything Sun maintains.
So your comment seems laughable. Are we supposed to fall back to SMB??
That's a VT320. Newer than my VT220, incidentally.
Most people would be perfectly happy on a 550MHz P3 system. Decked out with at least 500 MB of memory, of course.
I don't run anything faster than that.
I suppose so, if the admin is an imbecile, deletes the less binary and puts in a symbolic link to more .
But the reverse makes much more sense. less rulez, baybee.
I live in the sorta-south (there are at least a dozen goats living within a mile of here, and plenty of people hereabouts talk like Huckleberry Hound) on a country road. There aren't any bullet holes in our mailbox. There better not be, as UPS delivers things like hard drives and CD Writers to that mailbox from eBay (big country mailboxes rule!)
Wozniak was a phreaker. Jobs was a coke dealer.
Same as it ever was.
Give out as many email addresses as you wish to be (partially) responsible for.
Go ahead.
Actually, a lot of guilty people go to jail and it saves taxpayers the cost of a trial.
And in rare instances, somebody innocent goes to jail.
But anyway....
Whoah. You must be pissing off the salesman where you buy your hardware.
I've never heard of them being that friendly about you flipping hardware back at them like that.
'No, I think I wanted it in blue. Can you repaint it one more time??'
I ran NetBSD/sparc64 on my Ultra 1 system for a short while.
/sparc64. There were various other key packages that wouldn't build.
To be able to say I had a 64 bit system.
But the Mozilla package wouldn't build on
I came to the realization that I was running 64 bits for the sake of running 64 bits. I haven't been using that system for much lately. It's possible that they've gotten Mozilla to build on Sparc64 by now, but I haven't kept in touch.
My point? What are you running the 64 bit processor for? Are you a developer? Are you helping the developers by being a trailblazer/tester for their new code? Or just to show off to your friends?
And what are you doing with said 64 bit OS and processor?
Just running it for it's 64-bittedness?
I played around with a Sparc Ultra 1 machine (64 bit system) for awhile. Unless you know what you're doing all you end up doing is banging away with a wider data path than you need a significant portion of the time. Cycle per cycle, unless you know what you're doing, you actually slow your hardware down.
It just doesn't cut it to say '64 bits' for the sake of the bigger number.
Maybe you're making good use of it. It'd be cool if you could demonstrate it with an explanation of how you're using it.
so, do tell, please show the comparable AMD / INTL motherboards that are significantly different in price?
Well, I got a whole skid (aprox. 80 machines) of Dell Optiplex systems at auction this past spring for $40. The machines all had Pentium II processors in them, upgradable to PIII chips.
There's 'nary an AMD part that will plug into those motherboards. And I don't think there's an AMD board out there that can be had for 50 cents. Frankly, the AMD parts are 'niche' enough that there will probably NEVER be skids of AMD-based systems for under a doller per system.
(typing this on one of those systems, BTW- about 8 of them had PIII chips)
I used to say I would never, ever, use a proprietary footprint motherboard. Times change, tho.
For me to have 'always been an AMD fan' I would have to have been a bigtime enthusiast for the 2900-series bit-slice parts from AMD. I don't think they made any 'processors' earlier than that, and I know I was a 'processor' enthusiast before that. Hrrmm....
Naw, I was more into TTL (the 74181 rulez, dude!) back then.
It's really cool, but the Sparc port seems to have died out. There are various splackware builds out there, but not a whole lot of anything new.
There's always NetBSD, and what the heck, run it on Intel/AMD, too.
No, but many of the 'organizers' are communists. This runs through all the 'progressive issue' movements. I have participated in said events in the past. I remember a particular band of Maoists in the late 70's. They had 'cadre' placed in high leadership positions within the 'mass' Anti-Nuclear movement. They kinda soft-pedaled on China's nuke programs. In the WWII era, there were many 'pacifists' who suddenly became 'United Front' pro-war partisans when Germany invaded the USSR. This is easily verified by examining the historical record.
There really are very few true pacifists anywhere. Many people in the anti-war movement are perfectly comfortable marching beneath banners that read: "Fight For Peace" or "Smash Imperialism" and the like.
Only in the same way that you can take apart the binaries for 'closed source' software.
You get a bunch of stamped and machined parts when you take apart a car. You don't get the 'source code,' which is a bunch of expensive tooling and machines, etc.
So, uhh, your argument breaks down, badly, too.
Don't fool yourself. If there had been a referendum, a hundred bombs would have been dropped on as many cities in Japan. WWII-era America wasn't particularly pacifist. Hell, even most of the 'usual suspect' pacifists of today were involved because of the 'United Front' with the state that followed their favored system of political economy.
Definitely. A good package should also build on NetBSD/vax, and even NetBSD/mac68k. There's nothing cooler than being able to run the current software on my old Mac SE/30 (and on an old Cassiopeia 'Palm PC' liberated from Windows CE).
You can semi-permanently wipe away the irrelevant distracting bits of Slashdot easily by checking the 'light' menu box in user config, and then right clicking to block graphics from images.slashdot.org. That, and blocking images from a few ad servers, and Slashdot returns to being content-rich and eyespam free.
I tried using IE the other day at work. *cringe* i missed my firefox.
I tried using firefox awhile back. I badly missed my integrated WYSIWYG HTML editor (great for cutting and pasting formatted web content to save locally). Had to go back to Mozilla proper.
If they're going to produce a 'component-ized' Mozilla, why don't they also put out a stand-alone version of Composer?? A WWW without every client having an easy to use HTML editor is chilling.