i'm sorry, i should have been more specific then:)
post that i replied to asked about water boiling _on_ his tongue, so that's what i was referring to - seems that we agree on this:)
another thing that i was thinking about - even if it was boiling, it should not have caused any serious burns, as the temperature did not change, right ?
just a note on dovecot - alpha is 1.0, 0.99.something are very stable and a lot of people are running them without problems (me too, me too)
and there is the difference between software projects and how they label their products. most opensource project alpha/beta releases are much better than most proprietary "releases". i think in this case developer[s] is/are too cautious, as this might be called beta easily if not rc - but i prefer this attitude instead of marketing driven release that is worse than alphas:)
of course, the fact that you have not only x, but also kde on a server (as others already were surprised) seems pretty strange;)
"You do not explode and your blood does not boil because of the containing effect of your skin and circulatory system."
so if he had an open mouth (or probably also access to the tongue through the nose ?) it might have actualle started boiling, though that's the only explanation i can think of and it's a guess:)
"My companion does not have gestures installed in Firefox (and Firefox's gestures extension takes input INCREDIBLY slowly and inaccurately compared to Opera) and it drives me nuts to use it."
i can easily undesratnd last part of this statement;)
the first is somewhat confusing, though. i recently tried "all-in-one mouse gestures plugin" for firefox - it was pretty nice, to say the least:)
it is heavily configurable, a lot more than opera, it has an ability to "draw" custom mouse gestures. the feature that i liked the most was ability to display what exactly i am drawing when performing mouse gesture. also i did not notice much performance drain or something. (though action "back" is afster in opera, it is not dependant on mouse gestures, as far as i know).
maybe it was an older ff, mouse gestures plugin version or another plugin ?
i really like opera, but ff has come a long way and i think i will try to configure it to my liking when i get net at home. that might be some 6 months later from now.
Mouse gestures are highly overrated and still only used by a MINORITY.
i was resistant to mouse gestures when they were introduced in opera. i don't know, i think i did not use them for a year. then i tried - and there is no way i'm using a browser without them.
and the thing is, i have shown mouse gesture feature (both in opera & ff) to some 10 poeple in last 3 months. they all were very resistant to the feature at the start, but they all use it now. ok, most of them don't have such a big dependance on it like me;), but several have mentioned that nice tab support is important, but mouse gestures was their favorite feature. so watch out, mouse-waving noctambulists can be in your backyard =)
i think developers some time ago started some activities to clean up comments and make better documentation for novice contributors - maybe the thing has become frendlier since your experiences ?
actually there a lot of problems with documents from one msword version in other, also the same version not always works. so, _if_ the situation arises (it might not) it might work as "oh, we have different version, this place in the document looks strange, could you a) resend as pdf; b) try different msword version in save as ?
there are very few problems with latest pre-2.0 builds, this is especially true for text documents without very complex formatting.
please, please, either research the topic or do not spread false information. you mentioned previously that you have been a longtime so & oo.org user, so i supposed you should be better informed.
I guess it was too much to point the users to the free MS Word Reader
well, for how many platforms, exactly ?
PDF is a closed format but has a freely available reader. How is this different than using a freely available MS Reader?
no, it is not. it is somewhat between closed and fully open, as you are free to get specifications and implement them for reading (see apples pdf reader, xpdf, kpdf and a lot more) and creating (bunch of "pdf printers", oo.org export etc) pdf documents.
i can remember two things that make it more closed than, for example, opendocument :
1. i think, you had to obey "security" features (no printing, no copying etc) to comply with adobe license, but i'm not sure wther that is still the case and i am too lazy to investigate:)
2. specification is managed by adobe alone, so next version of pdf might be dragged in a way they want, but not anybody else. with od there at least some consensus must be achieved.
When I open a Word document with my course assignment instructions, OOO displays it without all the numbering, ie:
which oo.org version did you try ? is this problem still present in latest pre-2.0 builds ? if so, did you file an issue ? if not, maybe could get the document for testing ?:)
In MS's version you can print them out six to a page, easy as pie. In OOO you can view them six to a page, but when you then click Print from that view, it prints one to a page!
i'm not much into presentations and especially their printing, but did you try selecting 'handouts' in print options ?
now when i look at this it seems that printing options and defaults maybe should be changed somewhat for better usability. i think i'll take a look at this later and see wether there really is a problem and what could be done to fix it.
Opening multiple documents doesn't work properly either: each one appears as a separate taskbar item, cluttering my taskbar. If you open multiple docs in MS Word, they all live as different child windows inside the single MS Word main window; this is how it should be.
well, as already mentioned, word puts them as separate windows for some time now. if you work with ALOT of documents at the same time, you might want to try out window managers that support multiple virtual desktops, works well in cases like this.
i despise autogrouping, but maybe that also is a feature that might help you (check for window manager support)
Sometimes you get one that "plays nice" and it prints out just like a Word document would. But other ones, the fonts look all funny.
is this reliably reproducable ? maybe that could be the problem with the font itself or it's availability ? if it is reproducible... well, maybe i could get source document in that case to test that out, too;)
hmm. -t is supposed to only set package type - can this really change the way final product is handled ? well, i think i could give that a try with the next package that i will install:)
opendocument really was based on oo.org format, so they have a lot of commong things - so implementation of od if you already have oo.org should not be too hard (note, i'm not developer so i am just assuming that. or pulling it out of.)
now, about opendocument in oo.org
it is supported in _pre_ 2.0 for some time, but remember that it's a development branch, so seeing new features there isn't something unnatural.
to ease migration (and act different than ms;) ) there is a support in 1.1 branch, too - stable 1.1.5 with support for od was released just a couple of days ago.
now, those with macs... i would really like apple making official port of oo.org to osx and maintaining it, supplying with their products etc. for some reason they have chosen not to, insted making their own applications.
somehow i believe there is more gain in participating in oo.org movement, though i understand that there are a lot of reasons we don't know (the urge to own the software ? distrust to sun ? willingness to show the muscle "but we can do this !" ?).
so, as a result only a relatively small part of developers can work on mac ports. they have done a lot of work, but, of course, that is somewhat slower than oo.org builds for oses where companies and individuals pour more resources.
i'm not that sure solaris builds would be so fast out and available if sun didn't push them.
well, maybe you can try contact apple and let them know that you would like to see them porting oo.org for their user convinience...
um, i think some time ago modutils was replaced by module-init-utils, so you need them for 2.4, too as there now is only one package for both 2.4 and 2.6
i'm not exactly sure about this and too lazy to google, but if you are interested i'm sure information can be found:)
yep, but lately because of several large scale changes (for example, reiser4) there are more and more calls for 2.7.
also, people are resisting 2.6 on stable servers - i don't mind running it on workstations, but for servers it is a race to keep up. given that each kernel upgrade requires a reboot, it's not a nice situation.
actually it's pretty easy to upgrade straight to 10.2
some configuration parameters might be left over, some packages might be changed (for example, see ff & mozilla java links), but overall i have just upgraded my systems sinze slackware 9, i think.
before each release i tell myself that i should do a clean reinstall, but as it just works...
lately though some strange things have happened because of old user config, so i have wiped them for some apps - but i can't even start with a fresh user config - so now i'm telling myself that i will reinstall when kde 4 comes out. well, at least on the laptop...
installation of slackware as a gui workstation _is_ harder than suse, mandrake and probably fc and some other distros:)
also, it might be harder for novices because of lack of dependacy system. other than that (and partitioning mentioned by you) it probably isn't much harder, i think.
until 2.7 will be split and 2.6 stabilized a bit, i agree that 2.4 should be the default - that's what most people use in servers where they don't want to upgrade kernel in a couple of weeks.
and slackware is fully 2.6 ready, to use it just compile it, dropin replace, lilo & it's done.
oh, i forgot that you also have a precompiled one in testing that also should be easy to deploy:)
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because moderators can't tell "funny" from "interesting".
or they were participating in a joke.
i'm sorry, i should have been more specific then :)
:)
post that i replied to asked about water boiling _on_ his tongue, so that's what i was referring to - seems that we agree on this
another thing that i was thinking about - even if it was boiling, it should not have caused any serious burns, as the temperature did not change, right ?
just a note on dovecot - alpha is 1.0, 0.99.something are very stable and a lot of people are running them without problems (me too, me too)
:)
;)
and there is the difference between software projects and how they label their products. most opensource project alpha/beta releases are much better than most proprietary "releases". i think in this case developer[s] is/are too cautious, as this might be called beta easily if not rc - but i prefer this attitude instead of marketing driven release that is worse than alphas
of course, the fact that you have not only x, but also kde on a server (as others already were surprised) seems pretty strange
"You do not explode and your blood does not boil because of the containing effect of your skin and circulatory system."
:)
so if he had an open mouth (or probably also access to the tongue through the nose ?) it might have actualle started boiling, though that's the only explanation i can think of and it's a guess
they probably should go to
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
actually, it's not only "Microsoft Windows" - it is plain windows that is considered an infrigmns@#&%@. whatever that word is spelled :)
remember lindows ?
i really believe that passing around trademarks for common words is wrong and that's exactly what's happening.
"My companion does not have gestures installed in Firefox (and Firefox's gestures extension takes input INCREDIBLY slowly and inaccurately compared to Opera) and it drives me nuts to use it."
;)
:)
i can easily undesratnd last part of this statement
the first is somewhat confusing, though.
i recently tried "all-in-one mouse gestures plugin" for firefox - it was pretty nice, to say the least
it is heavily configurable, a lot more than opera, it has an ability to "draw" custom mouse gestures.
the feature that i liked the most was ability to display what exactly i am drawing when performing mouse gesture.
also i did not notice much performance drain or something. (though action "back" is afster in opera, it is not dependant on mouse gestures, as far as i know).
maybe it was an older ff, mouse gestures plugin version or another plugin ?
i really like opera, but ff has come a long way and i think i will try to configure it to my liking when i get net at home. that might be some 6 months later from now.
Mouse gestures are highly overrated and still only used by a MINORITY.
;), but several have mentioned that nice tab support is important, but mouse gestures was their favorite feature. so watch out, mouse-waving noctambulists can be in your backyard =)
i was resistant to mouse gestures when they were introduced in opera. i don't know, i think i did not use them for a year. then i tried - and there is no way i'm using a browser without them.
and the thing is, i have shown mouse gesture feature (both in opera & ff) to some 10 poeple in last 3 months. they all were very resistant to the feature at the start, but they all use it now. ok, most of them don't have such a big dependance on it like me
i think developers some time ago started some activities to clean up comments and make better documentation for novice contributors - maybe the thing has become frendlier since your experiences ?
actually there a lot of problems with documents from one msword version in other, also the same version not always works.
so, _if_ the situation arises (it might not) it might work as "oh, we have different version, this place in the document looks strange, could you
a) resend as pdf;
b) try different msword version in save as ?
there are very few problems with latest pre-2.0 builds, this is especially true for text documents without very complex formatting.
please, please, either research the topic or do not spread false information. you mentioned previously that you have been a longtime so & oo.org user, so i supposed you should be better informed.
:)
I guess it was too much to point the users to the free MS Word Reader
well, for how many platforms, exactly ?
PDF is a closed format but has a freely available reader. How is this different than using a freely available MS Reader?
no, it is not. it is somewhat between closed and fully open, as you are free to get specifications and implement them for reading (see apples pdf reader, xpdf, kpdf and a lot more) and creating (bunch of "pdf printers", oo.org export etc) pdf documents.
i can remember two things that make it more closed than, for example, opendocument :
1. i think, you had to obey "security" features (no printing, no copying etc) to comply with adobe license, but i'm not sure wther that is still the case and i am too lazy to investigate
2. specification is managed by adobe alone, so next version of pdf might be dragged in a way they want, but not anybody else. with od there at least some consensus must be achieved.
I want a spreadsheet to make a graph that will look the same in a document.
doesn't it ? what are the differences ?
could you provide a testcase ?
I want a picture to move around when I hit enter before it.
i think it depends on the pictures anchoring. if this is not the case, could you provide testcase ?
When I open a Word document with my course assignment instructions, OOO displays it without all the numbering, ie:
:)
;)
which oo.org version did you try ? is this problem still present in latest pre-2.0 builds ?
if so, did you file an issue ?
if not, maybe could get the document for testing ?
In MS's version you can print them out six to a page, easy as pie. In OOO you can view them six to a page, but when you then click Print from that view, it prints one to a page!
i'm not much into presentations and especially their printing, but did you try selecting 'handouts' in print options ?
now when i look at this it seems that printing options and defaults maybe should be changed somewhat for better usability. i think i'll take a look at this later and see wether there really is a problem and what could be done to fix it.
Opening multiple documents doesn't work properly either: each one appears as a separate taskbar item, cluttering my taskbar. If you open multiple docs in MS Word, they all live as different child windows inside the single MS Word main window; this is how it should be.
well, as already mentioned, word puts them as separate windows for some time now. if you work with ALOT of documents at the same time, you might want to try out window managers that support multiple virtual desktops, works well in cases like this.
i despise autogrouping, but maybe that also is a feature that might help you (check for window manager support)
Sometimes you get one that "plays nice" and it prints out just like a Word document would. But other ones, the fonts look all funny.
is this reliably reproducable ?
maybe that could be the problem with the font itself or it's availability ?
if it is reproducible... well, maybe i could get source document in that case to test that out, too
hmm. -t is supposed to only set package type - can this really change the way final product is handled ? well, i think i could give that a try with the next package that i will install :)
"Novell was discussing releasing their Directory Services system on Linux in a very open way."
i think that emphasis is on "very open way" in this case
for the checkinstall supplied with slackware (in extras) i usually supply no parameters, it just creates slackware packages.
but there is one thing i've been unable to find in checkinstall - is there any way to create package but _not_ to install it ?
or does make install imply that i just have to install it while making a package ?
opendocument really was based on oo.org format, so they have a lot of commong things - so implementation of od if you already have oo.org should not be too hard (note, i'm not developer so i am just assuming that. or pulling it out of.)
;) ) there is a support in 1.1 branch, too - stable 1.1.5 with support for od was released just a couple of days ago.
now, about opendocument in oo.org
it is supported in _pre_ 2.0 for some time, but remember that it's a development branch, so seeing new features there isn't something unnatural.
to ease migration (and act different than ms
now, those with macs...
i would really like apple making official port of oo.org to osx and maintaining it, supplying with their products etc. for some reason they have chosen not to, insted making their own applications.
somehow i believe there is more gain in participating in oo.org movement, though i understand that there are a lot of reasons we don't know (the urge to own the software ? distrust to sun ? willingness to show the muscle "but we can do this !" ?).
so, as a result only a relatively small part of developers can work on mac ports. they have done a lot of work, but, of course, that is somewhat slower than oo.org builds for oses where companies and individuals pour more resources.
i'm not that sure solaris builds would be so fast out and available if sun didn't push them.
well, maybe you can try contact apple and let them know that you would like to see them porting oo.org for their user convinience...
um, i think some time ago modutils was replaced by module-init-utils, so you need them for 2.4, too as there now is only one package for both 2.4 and 2.6
:)
i'm not exactly sure about this and too lazy to google, but if you are interested i'm sure information can be found
yep, but lately because of several large scale changes (for example, reiser4) there are more and more calls for 2.7.
also, people are resisting 2.6 on stable servers - i don't mind running it on workstations, but for servers it is a race to keep up. given that each kernel upgrade requires a reboot, it's not a nice situation.
actually it's pretty easy to upgrade straight to 10.2
some configuration parameters might be left over, some packages might be changed (for example, see ff & mozilla java links), but overall i have just upgraded my systems sinze slackware 9, i think.
before each release i tell myself that i should do a clean reinstall, but as it just works...
lately though some strange things have happened because of old user config, so i have wiped them for some apps - but i can't even start with a fresh user config - so now i'm telling myself that i will reinstall when kde 4 comes out. well, at least on the laptop...
check changelogs - there were mentioned reasons for dropping gnome, also alternative places where you could get gnome for slackware
um, if they are compiled for 486, shouldn't they run just fine on pentium ?
and how does ram amount affect cpu optimisation choice ?
installation of slackware as a gui workstation _is_ harder than suse, mandrake and probably fc and some other distros :)
also, it might be harder for novices because of lack of dependacy system. other than that (and partitioning mentioned by you) it probably isn't much harder, i think.
until 2.7 will be split and 2.6 stabilized a bit, i agree that 2.4 should be the default - that's what most people use in servers where they don't want to upgrade kernel in a couple of weeks.
:)
and slackware is fully 2.6 ready, to use it just compile it, dropin replace, lilo & it's done.
oh, i forgot that you also have a precompiled one in testing that also should be easy to deploy
well, if i understood this submission correctly, it implies that mozilla & cvs now are missing - that's not true.
:)
it contains mozilla-1.7.11 and cvs-1.11.20
at least in latest-current that should be identical to 10.2