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>A company must get written consent by letter, fax, or email for the collection of data.
Fucking awesome.
>People can opt out at a later time and withdraw their consent.
Fucking awesome
>There are significant restrictions on disclosing personal data to third parties.
Fucking awesome.
>When a person has given consent for the transfer of data, or itâ(TM)s necessary by contract, a company can only send the data to an organization that provides the say level of security as the Indian regulations. People have the right to review their data and to correct it.
Fucking awesome.
The only people who have a problem with this are the ones who are intent on anally-raping your and my personal information with no reach-around.
>Since the government was very much to blame for the whole mess, no one responsible (Barney Frank)
As much as I dislike Barney Frank, he's not the cause of this shit.
I saw this all happen 20 years ago locally. The vast majority of people responsible for that particular clusterfuck did not go to jail. I know of only one, personally, and that was basically because he couldn't cover his thieving tracks. He was also a terrible forger (if he had actually paid a bill instead of simply forging a receipt, I would have kept my job at a surveying/engineering company). You can throw one hell of a Christmas party with someone else's money.
>I didn't say the words you attributed to me
Not directly, but I summarized your hand-wave. it came off as a hand-wave to me, but if I'm wrong then I'll take it back.
>Yeah, you're in a thread talking about how the government is once again overstepping its bounds to help its corporate buddies
> and you don't think that the government is too big for its britches?
That depends on what you mean. If you actually mean the former with corporate welfare, you bet your ass. If you mean "the government is too fat with business regulations" then no, I do not. I actually wish some of them were enforced. But I'll bet the gang at the FTC is still looking at porn.
>Where the settlement money will go is hard to tell. In similar cases in the past, the RIAA has split up big awards with the four member labels. How much of the money goes back to the artists is unclear
OH! CAN I MAKE A GUESS? HUH? CAN I? PLEASE? PLEASE LET ME TAKE A GUESS?
HOW ABOUT ZERO? DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? HOW DID I DO?
>So you think that we're in danger of accidentally falling into unregulated capitalism
Sure am.
Repealing of Glass-Steagall was the gate letting the horses loose. Say what you will about Clinton signing it - it was going to be repealed with or without signature since there were enough Republican and Blue Dog votes to overturn any veto. It was pushed by laissez-faire capitalists and we've only seen laissez-faire capitalism gather more steam.
>monopolies are not a problem
I beg to differ. I am a t-mobile customer.
>nanny state
Wedge issue to distract you from what's really going on. Just like abortion, gay marriage, and all that other horse-shit.
I am pretty sure that he is not personally racist, but the libertarian philosophy as it stands lets racism run unabated.
The libertarian philosophy says that freedom of association and trade are *absolute* and that means any systemic racism in the society must be unopposed. Blacks may not sit at the lunch counter if you do not wish to serve them. Blacks (or anyone of any race) may not buy houses from you if you do not wish to sell them mortgages. Dealing fairly in business to all comers regardless of race is only if you wish to do it, as a business owner. If you hate "them niggers" then according to the libertarian philosophy, you may discriminate.
The libertarian philosophy drags society back to before the 60s and Jim Crow "separate but equal."
Ron Paul may not be overtly racist, but libertarianism sure attracts a lot of racists.
They just busted an organized group of baggage handlers that had been smuggling tons of cocaine into the US.
Substitute a bomb with a "cocaine bag"
I put it to you that we'll see a Lockerbie style bombing before we see a successful hijacking, and nothing in the airport will have prevented it, just like back in 1988.
The fact that the passengers will beat him to a bloody pulp.
That's what stopped the shoe bomber. That's what stopped the underpants bomber. It sure as fuck wasn't the fucking TSA.
Old rules are gone. "Sit tight and this will all be over and everyone will go home" doesn't exist anymore. Not since 9/11. Now it's "beat the piss out of him and sit on the bastard until we land" as exemplified by the last incident where a passenger went nuts this past week, tried to open the door (lol!) and the passengers beat the piss out of him.
>It seemed to work just fine from 1789 to circa 1900
Not for people like you and me.
Not for miners, not for railroad workers, not for anyone who had to work for a living. I suggest you read up on the Banana wars. I suggest reading about how people died while putting in rails as the robber barons of the age built their cottages 20 miles from me in Newport RI. The Breakers (Cornelius Vanderbilt - Rails and shipping) alone, if rebuilt from scratch, would require half a billion dollars of modern money. Living the life on the literal blood of the people who worked for him.
That's what laissez-faire gets you.
Yeah, it was so magical back then. You're not romanticizing/at all/.
The way I'm painting it is that Ron Paul would just hand us all over to a different (sortof) set of old rich white guys.
Either way you cut it, it's the current set of old rich white guys, or the corporate set of old rich white guys. One might say that they are all the same set.
Solution?
Don't rightly know. The soapbox hasn't worked. The voting box hasn't worked either. The ammo box solution seems a bit messy and the US military has the bestest ways evar to kill people in massive numbers, last I looked.
Gaspee Days are almost upon us here, and it seems like it was so much easier back then.
Ron Paul used to make sense when I heard him in an interview on WBZ with David Brudnoy back in the early 90's. But then I was younger and more idealistic. He has disappointed me greatly of late.
Orrin is also a friend to the media companies. They needed a replacement for Senator Hollings (aka Senator Disney) so now Pat's been bought.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and this shit sucks. The thing is that there's nobody on the other side worth a damn either. It's all a bunch of rich white guys who think they know best for everyone, even if it means breaking the Internet.
Fuckers.
Not even Ron Paul is worth a damn, because maybe he's for individual rights, he's a corporatist to the bone and would sell out the entire US public, including his mom, to the corporations and would be just fine with this. That's because libertarianism is just like communism - looks fucking great on paper, but it doesn't take into account reality.
It's just that he did it twice to this thread and it rubbed me the wrong way. I thought about replying to the other one, but I said "fuckit" which is what i should have said to this one.
My oh my, you are so butthurt that you can't be bothered to stand behind your name and take the negative karma.
Nowhere did I advocate copyright infringement, idiot. Indeed, I said earlier in the thread that I wanted DRM to be cranked to 11 to finally end piracy once and for all. I merely pointed out the reality of the situation, that piracy is leveraged by software houses to gain market share.
But you can't be arsed to read the thread, because you are so butthurt that it's filled your mind with incoherent rage.
>A more accurate headline would've been "Sergey Brin thinks managing your own computer is 'torture'."
A Windows computer? Absolutely.
There is a whole ecosystem of stuff for users at home to maintain their PCs. Some of it is good, a lot of it is snake oil. Couple this with the fact that 99 percent of Windows users can't even tell you which version of Windows they use or what an operating system is. I have/never/ run into a single home user besides my dad that has his important documents backed up. The fact that he does back up his stuff is probably because my dad's background in computers goes back to the old days of little iron donuts.
>I use Windows at work. I can't say that I spend a whole lot of time "managing" my computer
And since the vast majority of games that actually matter to the software industry require a network connection to be fun, the DRM is a no-brainer. It's only when companies go nuts with badly designed DRM that it's bad. Steam gets it right.
The good casual games are on the Wii, and piracy there is next to nothing.
Also, implying that CoD is any good. No. No it's not, and neither is its sequel. Such games can be called graphics demos that you pay for. I would rather play nethack and discover a new way to die. Really, I would.
Anything else you'd like to bring up that I can demolish?
There are Unix CADs that you can buy, but they are all "wicked expensive" like Catia and UG/NX. And these packages do not have student editions, which is really stupid in my opinion. I use UG/NX at work.
Personally, for home use on Linux, I use VariCAD. It's about the same price as Photoshop. Be aware that it relies on the latest ATI drivers. It will run like poo on the open source driver.
For Windows and personal use/low budgets and if you don't need solid modeling, I've always been a big fan of TurboCAD, but this does not run in wine reliably. It's really a shame - I've used it since Windows 3.1. If you use Windows, I highly recommend it instead of pirating Autocad.
If you need 2D and want it for free, there's DraftSight from Dassault.
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Nostalgic about AIM are we?
My god, if I don't put a message in my .plan, people might wonder why I'm out of the office.
All requests to VMS PHONE will go unanswered.
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DUDE! CHECK OUT THIS FTP SERVER THAT I COULD JUST WALK INTO! OMG I HACK IT!
ALL I HAD TO DO WAS PUT IN MY EMAIL ADDRESS AS THE PASSWORD! MY GOD I COULD HAVE PUT IN ANYTHING!
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Amiga fanboys come in second only to Tesla fanboys.
It's 2011.
Tesla's dead.
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>A company must get written consent by letter, fax, or email for the collection of data.
Fucking awesome.
>People can opt out at a later time and withdraw their consent.
Fucking awesome
>There are significant restrictions on disclosing personal data to third parties.
Fucking awesome.
>When a person has given consent for the transfer of data, or itâ(TM)s necessary by contract, a company can only send the data to an organization that provides the say level of security as the Indian regulations.
People have the right to review their data and to correct it.
Fucking awesome.
The only people who have a problem with this are the ones who are intent on anally-raping your and my personal information with no reach-around.
So when do we get this in the States?
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>reads...
Dijon vu. I have tasted this mustard before.
I didn't think the flame generator still existed. You got a URL for that?
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>Since the government was very much to blame for the whole mess, no one responsible (Barney Frank)
As much as I dislike Barney Frank, he's not the cause of this shit.
I saw this all happen 20 years ago locally. The vast majority of people responsible for that particular clusterfuck did not go to jail. I know of only one, personally, and that was basically because he couldn't cover his thieving tracks. He was also a terrible forger (if he had actually paid a bill instead of simply forging a receipt, I would have kept my job at a surveying/engineering company). You can throw one hell of a Christmas party with someone else's money.
>I didn't say the words you attributed to me
Not directly, but I summarized your hand-wave. it came off as a hand-wave to me, but if I'm wrong then I'll take it back.
>Yeah, you're in a thread talking about how the government is once again overstepping its bounds to help its corporate buddies
> and you don't think that the government is too big for its britches?
That depends on what you mean. If you actually mean the former with corporate welfare, you bet your ass. If you mean "the government is too fat with business regulations" then no, I do not. I actually wish some of them were enforced. But I'll bet the gang at the FTC is still looking at porn.
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>Where the settlement money will go is hard to tell. In similar cases in the past, the RIAA has split up big awards with the four member labels. How much of the money goes back to the artists is unclear
OH! CAN I MAKE A GUESS? HUH? CAN I? PLEASE? PLEASE LET ME TAKE A GUESS?
HOW ABOUT ZERO? DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? HOW DID I DO?
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Bullshit.
And your analogy stinks. Locks and alarms are only there to keep honest people out.
We can't even keep drugs out of prisons! How are you going to stop a determined person from creating another Pan Am 103?
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Someone mod this up.
Scariest question to ask any Airport operator: How long would it take to evacuate the airport for a bomb scare?
You won't like the answer.
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>So you think that we're in danger of accidentally falling into unregulated capitalism
Sure am.
Repealing of Glass-Steagall was the gate letting the horses loose. Say what you will about Clinton signing it - it was going to be repealed with or without signature since there were enough Republican and Blue Dog votes to overturn any veto. It was pushed by laissez-faire capitalists and we've only seen laissez-faire capitalism gather more steam.
>monopolies are not a problem
I beg to differ. I am a t-mobile customer.
>nanny state
Wedge issue to distract you from what's really going on. Just like abortion, gay marriage, and all that other horse-shit.
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I am pretty sure that he is not personally racist, but the libertarian philosophy as it stands lets racism run unabated.
The libertarian philosophy says that freedom of association and trade are *absolute* and that means any systemic racism in the society must be unopposed. Blacks may not sit at the lunch counter if you do not wish to serve them. Blacks (or anyone of any race) may not buy houses from you if you do not wish to sell them mortgages. Dealing fairly in business to all comers regardless of race is only if you wish to do it, as a business owner. If you hate "them niggers" then according to the libertarian philosophy, you may discriminate.
The libertarian philosophy drags society back to before the 60s and Jim Crow "separate but equal."
Ron Paul may not be overtly racist, but libertarianism sure attracts a lot of racists.
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Not sure if trole.....
They just busted an organized group of baggage handlers that had been smuggling tons of cocaine into the US.
Substitute a bomb with a "cocaine bag"
I put it to you that we'll see a Lockerbie style bombing before we see a successful hijacking, and nothing in the airport will have prevented it, just like back in 1988.
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You know what deters hijackers now?
The fact that the passengers will beat him to a bloody pulp.
That's what stopped the shoe bomber. That's what stopped the underpants bomber. It sure as fuck wasn't the fucking TSA.
Old rules are gone. "Sit tight and this will all be over and everyone will go home" doesn't exist anymore. Not since 9/11. Now it's "beat the piss out of him and sit on the bastard until we land" as exemplified by the last incident where a passenger went nuts this past week, tried to open the door (lol!) and the passengers beat the piss out of him.
TSA is underpants-on-head useless.
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>Ron Paul is as anti-corporatist as they come.
He is anti-Sherman Antitrust Act.
And that's all I really need to know.
By the way, the free market, even completely devoid of regulation, is a myth. Just so you know.
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>It seemed to work just fine from 1789 to circa 1900
Not for people like you and me.
Not for miners, not for railroad workers, not for anyone who had to work for a living. I suggest you read up on the Banana wars. I suggest reading about how people died while putting in rails as the robber barons of the age built their cottages 20 miles from me in Newport RI. The Breakers (Cornelius Vanderbilt - Rails and shipping) alone, if rebuilt from scratch, would require half a billion dollars of modern money. Living the life on the literal blood of the people who worked for him.
That's what laissez-faire gets you.
Yeah, it was so magical back then. You're not romanticizing /at all/.
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>2) How many times have explosives been found?
None. Ever. Even the underpants bomber made it through.
Since the inception of the TSA, they have stopped *zero* hijacking/bombing attempts from the airport.
Biggest waste of money on security theater going.
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The way I'm painting it is that Ron Paul would just hand us all over to a different (sortof) set of old rich white guys.
Either way you cut it, it's the current set of old rich white guys, or the corporate set of old rich white guys. One might say that they are all the same set.
Solution?
Don't rightly know. The soapbox hasn't worked. The voting box hasn't worked either. The ammo box solution seems a bit messy and the US military has the bestest ways evar to kill people in massive numbers, last I looked.
Gaspee Days are almost upon us here, and it seems like it was so much easier back then.
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Yeah, I know all about that too.
Ron Paul used to make sense when I heard him in an interview on WBZ with David Brudnoy back in the early 90's. But then I was younger and more idealistic. He has disappointed me greatly of late.
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...swaps spit with Orrin Hatch.
Orrin is also a friend to the media companies. They needed a replacement for Senator Hollings (aka Senator Disney) so now Pat's been bought.
I'm a lifelong Democrat and this shit sucks. The thing is that there's nobody on the other side worth a damn either. It's all a bunch of rich white guys who think they know best for everyone, even if it means breaking the Internet.
Fuckers.
Not even Ron Paul is worth a damn, because maybe he's for individual rights, he's a corporatist to the bone and would sell out the entire US public, including his mom, to the corporations and would be just fine with this. That's because libertarianism is just like communism - looks fucking great on paper, but it doesn't take into account reality.
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What's the carbon footprint of the Dragon dildo that Timothy bought?
What could possibly go wrong?
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Yeah, you're right.
It's just that he did it twice to this thread and it rubbed me the wrong way. I thought about replying to the other one, but I said "fuckit" which is what i should have said to this one.
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My oh my, you are so butthurt that you can't be bothered to stand behind your name and take the negative karma.
Nowhere did I advocate copyright infringement, idiot. Indeed, I said earlier in the thread that I wanted DRM to be cranked to 11 to finally end piracy once and for all. I merely pointed out the reality of the situation, that piracy is leveraged by software houses to gain market share.
But you can't be arsed to read the thread, because you are so butthurt that it's filled your mind with incoherent rage.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2148376&cid=36105426
I know you won't read it. Because it goes against your preconceived notion that everyone on /. is pro piracy.
Coward.
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>A more accurate headline would've been "Sergey Brin thinks managing your own computer is 'torture'."
A Windows computer? Absolutely.
There is a whole ecosystem of stuff for users at home to maintain their PCs. Some of it is good, a lot of it is snake oil. Couple this with the fact that 99 percent of Windows users can't even tell you which version of Windows they use or what an operating system is. I have /never/ run into a single home user besides my dad that has his important documents backed up. The fact that he does back up his stuff is probably because my dad's background in computers goes back to the old days of little iron donuts.
>I use Windows at work. I can't say that I spend a whole lot of time "managing" my computer
Of course you have someone paid to do it for you.
Brin is /absolutely/ correct in this regard.
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Piracy for games is already solved, Sunshine.
It's called Steam.
And since the vast majority of games that actually matter to the software industry require a network connection to be fun, the DRM is a no-brainer. It's only when companies go nuts with badly designed DRM that it's bad. Steam gets it right.
The good casual games are on the Wii, and piracy there is next to nothing.
Also, implying that CoD is any good. No. No it's not, and neither is its sequel. Such games can be called graphics demos that you pay for. I would rather play nethack and discover a new way to die. Really, I would.
Anything else you'd like to bring up that I can demolish?
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There are Unix CADs that you can buy, but they are all "wicked expensive" like Catia and UG/NX. And these packages do not have student editions, which is really stupid in my opinion. I use UG/NX at work.
Personally, for home use on Linux, I use VariCAD. It's about the same price as Photoshop. Be aware that it relies on the latest ATI drivers. It will run like poo on the open source driver.
It has a student license. http://www.varicad.com/en/home/products/students-&-universities/
For Windows and personal use/low budgets and if you don't need solid modeling, I've always been a big fan of TurboCAD, but this does not run in wine reliably. It's really a shame - I've used it since Windows 3.1. If you use Windows, I highly recommend it instead of pirating Autocad.
If you need 2D and want it for free, there's DraftSight from Dassault.
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