You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about when you say "wider group"
CERN is an international effort, with hundreds of scientists working together. It's a pretty wide group in itself.
You are, in fact, disparaging the entire effort because you deliberately refuse to educate yourself and insist on arguing from ignorance. You are basically saying that they are wasting everyone's time because you can't be arsed to go and read what's been written by hundreds of people around the globe about this.
"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - Frank Zappa
>I love it how this fact only comes up when it's Slashdot's darling OS
That the there is a problem that sits in the chair that confuses the part in the seat with the part looking at the screen has been brought up time and again with other OSes. I have actually come out and said that encryption and all the security in the world doesn't effin' matter if you can get the user to trade the key for a candy bar, which has actually happened.
You just have selective hearing, which means you are an asshole.
>There has to be a balance between free/open and secure. >implying that closed source is more secure >implying
No.
>Apple almost nailed it right on
No, no they didn't. They are anti-FOSS. The only thing they got right was taking the software repository idea from the FOSS world and calling it a store. Where they failed is that they don't allow other stores/repositories in spite of the fact that the FOSS world has been living with multiple trusted repositories for many, many years now.
>And most reasons software does that isn't because of malware.
The most significant symptom of malware infection to Joe User is "my computer is slow." Basically because once you have *one* malware infection, others soon follow, because you haven't kept up with updates, install software from random untrusted sites, or are the victim of a leveraged vulnerability or all three. All these bits of malware fight over the same resources and kill the device's usability.
I have personally seen machines with hundreds of infections. This is typical. The user will muddle along until a certain frustration level is met or the computer simply refuses to finish booting, because the virus load is too much for the poor machine to handle.
"My Computer is Slow" is likely a sign that your system has been compromised for quite a while and there is no malware removal tool that can fix it - a wipe and reinstall of the OS is in order.
>marking them as adult boards is just so that it's easier for teens to find what they're looking for.
So somehow 4chan is a threat to teen morality on the internet?
Do you know where teens go to find their porn?
Bing. Bing has the absolute best porn search algorithm bar none. Whatever your fetish, Bing will find it. It's better than Google, especially when you go to the video search.
Whining about 4chan like you are means you need to read the book Innumeracy.
By the way, 80 percent of everyone online admits to looking at porn. The other 20 lie about it.
Furthermore, there is a tool out there called bcwipe, by Jetico. It's a great little file and device wiper.
It's free if you compile it yourself, but if you really don't want to, you can *buy* a precompiled binary.
Even further still, the entire point of Linux distributions is to either sell services or sell precompiled binaries as a business model going all the way back to the first commercial venture in Linux distros - Yggdrasil.
I do not see the problem with that model. I really don't.
>but no piece of technology targeted at the consumer market should ever require that something be done via CLI, he says.
To my knowledge, no piece of consumer tech, in the last 15 years, has required the command line. I think Telix was the last one, and that was after ProComm went totally GUI after 95. One of my favorite editors, Aurora, was never moved over to the GUI, and remained moribund after Windows 95 - no updates, nothing.
Does *anyone* know of any consumer tech over the past 15 years that has ever required the command line to even start? I can't think of one.
That being said, there is something to like about the character based terminal for character based protocols. I find IRC to be a pain with anything other than something like irssi and screen. I also don't see any GUI based OS automation worth a damn. It's just simpler to write a bash or PowerShell script to do automated tasks than to fudge around with a GUI.
... when you saw someone standing alone and talking, sometimes even getting animated and agitated, you thought they were crazy.
Now you look and hope they're wearing a bluetooth headset before making a judgement.
Soon, with the further miniaturisation of wearable computing, you won't be able to tell the difference between a gesticulating drunken bum, and a drunken, gesticulating businessman.
Do you know how much I knew how to write programs and compile shit on Linux when I started out in the 90s with it?
Nothing. Not a damn thing. I had "programming" experience from the 8 bit days and experience with REXX under OS/2, but it did fuck-all for me when it came to a modern OS. Lo and behold there are books in the bookstores and libraries that can teach you this, along with how-tos and manpages. And it's not that hard. Really, it isn't. It's like cooking from a cookbook. You just follow the instructions and after a while you get the hang of how things are supposed to work and why they work and you start doing things without the cookbook.
People choose to have precompiled binaries instead of learning how to compile. They can pay for that choice.
Oh, I don't know if they're actually that competent. But then evil is there because being competent is too hard.
It seems that they have been making decisions of late that come from late nights out at the bar, hookers, and blow.
ICANN VP#1: Hey I have an idea, let's charge 185,000 dollars for these new TLDs - it's the speed of packets travelling down a wire in miles per second!!! ISN'T THAT NEAT? ICANN BOARD: What a perfectly capital and cromulent idea, old chap! ICANN VP#2: Hey, we can't decide who should get these new TLDs if more than one entity decides to buy the same TLD. Let's make a game! A flash game that you can't audit! We can have it cheat and give advantage to our buddies! ICANN BOARD: What a perfectly capital and cromulent idea, old chap! ICANN TECH: Holy shit guys, someone walked away with the list of bids and bidders! ICANN FLASH DEVELOPER: This flash game is BOLLOCKS. I can't make a workable game *and* have it cheat without without it being too obvious! ICANN SWITCHBOARD SECRETARY: Goddamnit, I can't handle all these irate calls! ICANN BOARD: OH SHIT! PUBLIC: YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS! ICANN BOARD: OOPS.
>Mainly it is just a bad ad that uses flash to root the system
Oh I know all too well. We had that on Investor Village once.
>That (user error is the biggest part of malware propagation) is a false perception.
The user is not always to blame and drive-by installs exist. There is a caveat to this: the vast majority of web based malware comes from pages designed to trick the user into downloading and installing something - social engineering.
We can call this the "dumb user problem" since there are no other words to describe the phenomenon - users having no clue when encountering or even identifying malicious sites, a problem that has existed since the web got popular.
I posted a rant on here about how Microsoft goes out of their way to groom programmers, but then does absolutely nothing in the way of user education in even the most basic safe computering. Not even a quickstart 3-fold pamphlet in the boxed set of Windows or bundled with a new system. That, I lay squarely at the feet of Microsoft.
And I got excoriated for it by people saying "they won't read it anyway." Well, the fact is that Microsoft doesn't even try.
>but what this is, is selling a subscription to a games service while calling it a donation. that's what sucks about this, moreover you don't know what you're buying. yes, buying, it's a fucking tax dodge.
No, it's not a tax dodge. Only charitable donations are write-offs. He still has to declare it. You're accusing him of tax fraud in public. You should back that up or retract.
You seem butthurt that he wants to get something out of this besides just name recognition. I think you should see someone about that butthurt before it becomes malignant.
I'm as F/OSS as anyone, but I'm not one of those people who think that F/OSS authors should be paupers.
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>wider group
You don't even know what the fuck you're talking about when you say "wider group"
CERN is an international effort, with hundreds of scientists working together. It's a pretty wide group in itself.
You are, in fact, disparaging the entire effort because you deliberately refuse to educate yourself and insist on arguing from ignorance. You are basically saying that they are wasting everyone's time because you can't be arsed to go and read what's been written by hundreds of people around the globe about this.
This makes you an asshole.
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"Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe." - Frank Zappa
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http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/
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>I love it how this fact only comes up when it's Slashdot's darling OS
That the there is a problem that sits in the chair that confuses the part in the seat with the part looking at the screen has been brought up time and again with other OSes. I have actually come out and said that encryption and all the security in the world doesn't effin' matter if you can get the user to trade the key for a candy bar, which has actually happened.
You just have selective hearing, which means you are an asshole.
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>That isn't a fault of Android, it's a fault in the rest of society.
This.
The rest of society wants its purple gorillas in spite of the fact that it's badware.
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>There has to be a balance between free/open and secure.
>implying that closed source is more secure
>implying
No.
>Apple almost nailed it right on
No, no they didn't. They are anti-FOSS. The only thing they got right was taking the software repository idea from the FOSS world and calling it a store. Where they failed is that they don't allow other stores/repositories in spite of the fact that the FOSS world has been living with multiple trusted repositories for many, many years now.
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>And most reasons software does that isn't because of malware.
The most significant symptom of malware infection to Joe User is "my computer is slow." Basically because once you have *one* malware infection, others soon follow, because you haven't kept up with updates, install software from random untrusted sites, or are the victim of a leveraged vulnerability or all three. All these bits of malware fight over the same resources and kill the device's usability.
I have personally seen machines with hundreds of infections. This is typical. The user will muddle along until a certain frustration level is met or the computer simply refuses to finish booting, because the virus load is too much for the poor machine to handle.
"My Computer is Slow" is likely a sign that your system has been compromised for quite a while and there is no malware removal tool that can fix it - a wipe and reinstall of the OS is in order.
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>marking them as adult boards is just so that it's easier for teens to find what they're looking for.
So somehow 4chan is a threat to teen morality on the internet?
Do you know where teens go to find their porn?
Bing. Bing has the absolute best porn search algorithm bar none. Whatever your fetish, Bing will find it. It's better than Google, especially when you go to the video search.
Whining about 4chan like you are means you need to read the book Innumeracy.
By the way, 80 percent of everyone online admits to looking at porn. The other 20 lie about it.
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You know when you tell a joke at a party and the entire room goes silent at the punch line?
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Furthermore, there is a tool out there called bcwipe, by Jetico. It's a great little file and device wiper.
It's free if you compile it yourself, but if you really don't want to, you can *buy* a precompiled binary.
Even further still, the entire point of Linux distributions is to either sell services or sell precompiled binaries as a business model going all the way back to the first commercial venture in Linux distros - Yggdrasil.
I do not see the problem with that model. I really don't.
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What part of
People choose to have precompiled binaries instead of learning how to compile. They can pay for that choice.
Which has been the standard model for retail software, do you not understand?
Jerk.
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I haven't heard of a 7000 year old woman, but the 2000 year old man is still alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnLqLHWDg5E
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They were planted there by Satan to test your faith in the Earth being 6000 years old.
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And your problem is assuming that other models of software sales don't exist on Linux.
Do you know how idiotic your post is? Do you really?
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>but no piece of technology targeted at the consumer market should ever require that something be done via CLI, he says.
To my knowledge, no piece of consumer tech, in the last 15 years, has required the command line. I think Telix was the last one, and that was after ProComm went totally GUI after 95. One of my favorite editors, Aurora, was never moved over to the GUI, and remained moribund after Windows 95 - no updates, nothing.
Does *anyone* know of any consumer tech over the past 15 years that has ever required the command line to even start? I can't think of one.
That being said, there is something to like about the character based terminal for character based protocols. I find IRC to be a pain with anything other than something like irssi and screen. I also don't see any GUI based OS automation worth a damn. It's just simpler to write a bash or PowerShell script to do automated tasks than to fudge around with a GUI.
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BMO
... when you saw someone standing alone and talking, sometimes even getting animated and agitated, you thought they were crazy.
Now you look and hope they're wearing a bluetooth headset before making a judgement.
Soon, with the further miniaturisation of wearable computing, you won't be able to tell the difference between a gesticulating drunken bum, and a drunken, gesticulating businessman.
--
BMO
Do you know how much I knew how to write programs and compile shit on Linux when I started out in the 90s with it?
Nothing. Not a damn thing. I had "programming" experience from the 8 bit days and experience with REXX under OS/2, but it did fuck-all for me when it came to a modern OS. Lo and behold there are books in the bookstores and libraries that can teach you this, along with how-tos and manpages. And it's not that hard. Really, it isn't. It's like cooking from a cookbook. You just follow the instructions and after a while you get the hang of how things are supposed to work and why they work and you start doing things without the cookbook.
People choose to have precompiled binaries instead of learning how to compile. They can pay for that choice.
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>inspired alliteration
I love you.
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BECAUSE WE ALREADY SPENT IT ON HOOKERS AND BLOW.
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Oh, I don't know if they're actually that competent. But then evil is there because being competent is too hard.
It seems that they have been making decisions of late that come from late nights out at the bar, hookers, and blow.
ICANN VP#1: Hey I have an idea, let's charge 185,000 dollars for these new TLDs - it's the speed of packets travelling down a wire in miles per second!!! ISN'T THAT NEAT?
ICANN BOARD: What a perfectly capital and cromulent idea, old chap!
ICANN VP#2: Hey, we can't decide who should get these new TLDs if more than one entity decides to buy the same TLD. Let's make a game! A flash game that you can't audit! We can have it cheat and give advantage to our buddies!
ICANN BOARD: What a perfectly capital and cromulent idea, old chap!
ICANN TECH: Holy shit guys, someone walked away with the list of bids and bidders!
ICANN FLASH DEVELOPER: This flash game is BOLLOCKS. I can't make a workable game *and* have it cheat without without it being too obvious!
ICANN SWITCHBOARD SECRETARY: Goddamnit, I can't handle all these irate calls!
ICANN BOARD: OH SHIT!
PUBLIC: YOU GUYS ARE IDIOTS!
ICANN BOARD: OOPS.
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>Mainly it is just a bad ad that uses flash to root the system
Oh I know all too well. We had that on Investor Village once.
>That (user error is the biggest part of malware propagation) is a false perception.
The user is not always to blame and drive-by installs exist. There is a caveat to this: the vast majority of web based malware comes from pages designed to trick the user into downloading and installing something - social engineering.
We can call this the "dumb user problem" since there are no other words to describe the phenomenon - users having no clue when encountering or even identifying malicious sites, a problem that has existed since the web got popular.
I posted a rant on here about how Microsoft goes out of their way to groom programmers, but then does absolutely nothing in the way of user education in even the most basic safe computering. Not even a quickstart 3-fold pamphlet in the boxed set of Windows or bundled with a new system. That, I lay squarely at the feet of Microsoft.
And I got excoriated for it by people saying "they won't read it anyway." Well, the fact is that Microsoft doesn't even try.
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>And fixing it can take up to 45 years...
I think you may be too optimistic.
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>but what this is, is selling a subscription to a games service while calling it a donation. that's what sucks about this, moreover you don't know what you're buying. yes, buying, it's a fucking tax dodge.
No, it's not a tax dodge. Only charitable donations are write-offs. He still has to declare it. You're accusing him of tax fraud in public. You should back that up or retract.
You seem butthurt that he wants to get something out of this besides just name recognition. I think you should see someone about that butthurt before it becomes malignant.
I'm as F/OSS as anyone, but I'm not one of those people who think that F/OSS authors should be paupers.
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>Which proves, once again, how stupid it is to use the GPL.
1. The article doesn't say he objects to other people building binaries. In fact, he realises this will happen and doesn't care.
2. The GPL does not forbid building binaries in exchange for cash. In fact, such services are encouraged.
3. Trying to turn this into a BSD vs GPL flamewar.
Your anti-GPL rant just demonstrates that you are about as intelligent as jerryleecooper.
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The most serious web vulnerability sits in the chair.
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