Easy, you reserve www.oenoffice.org, www.opnoffice.org, www.opeoffice.org www.openffice.org and www.openofice.org and offer the applications for download there.
Remember, I am in vafour of OpenSource - but I do not close my eyes in front of potential danger.
Why the hell would an average user need to download his/her copy from some shady "aLl w4r3z r us !" website ?
No reason at all, but he might download from www.ubntu.org.
this won't happen ever - and for vanity reasons. Vanity? - Yes: Have you ever noticed how many icons the Acrobat-Reader installs on a Windows system?
Are you seriously suggesting this won't happen because Adobe is so vain about the number of icons they use? I must be missing something.
Not just Adobe - all of them! They create far more icons then needed on installation. Desktop, quickstart, top level start menu, bottom level start menu and last not least a "quick start" icon.
Acrobat-Reader is just a perfect example of those useless vanity icons. Because with Acrobat-Reader none of them are needed. With Acrobat-Reader all you ever do is reading PDFs and you do so by double clicking the icon an existing PDF. I for once never ever clicked any of those Acrobat-Reader icons. OK, one exception: To drag them into the trash can.
Still Acrobat-Reader comes with all of them!
So what are they good for? Only thing I can think of: The remind the user that he / she has Adobe Acrobat Reader installed.
If they'd done that properly, i.e. create the blank file, AND auto-opened the application, so you can just work right away, I think it would be a great improvement.
Which is almost what OS/2 did. You could have so called templates - when you double clicked them a new document based on the template would open. When you dragged and dropped them a new document would be created at the destination. A bit like the "New Printer" icon on windows.
Need you own Template. Easy: prepare a document with the desired content and then mark it as template. The mark would be added to the extended attributes of the document - no special extension needed - works with any application as the whole mechanism was provided by the Workplace Shell.
1) A Virus is a self replication pice of software. 2) A Worm wiggles it's way into your mashine. 3) A Trojan is hides inside some other software to get into your mashine.
Of course combinations are possible - There are quite a few Viruses which are also Worms.
I just wish someone would do this for the Linux world. I've tried nearly every ISO download under "Applications -> Unix" on The Pirate Bay, but everything seems to be *legal*.
Why then does OpenOffice.org tell us not to use version which are not from there very own server? Legal does not mean free of malware ad-ons.
The truth is: OpenSource makes is easier to attach malware to a download.
Note that I am all in favour of OpenSource - but one should not close his / her eyes from the downside.
So you start iTunes just for the fun of it? Interesting. I usually want to play some Music and iTunes is just the means to do it.
Note that I once used OS/2 which had a different approach: You would not launch applications at all. You would double click documents and the application would launch for you.
Ok, you can do that any OS these days. But there was a difference here. The reason why you would not do that with i.E. music is that Finder does not browse music folders all that well. In OS/2 an application could/should provide a plug in for the Workplace Shell (the Finder equivalent) to make browsing easy.
And then you have true document centric interface where applications are just there in the background. But this won't happen ever - and for vanity reasons. Vanity? - Yes: Have you ever noticed how many icons the Acrobat-Reader installs on a Windows system? And have you ever used one of these? I don't - I double click PDF files. Vanity - there are just there for Adobe to show off.
Four forum pages of praise for the products and discontent for Sony Ericsson's customer service. Ahh, Sony Ericsson as the mayor shareholder let UIQ go bankrupt instead of rolling up the company properly. What is that for an attitude?
No, he is right. Just join any Symbian OS / UIQ 3 related forum and you will see that the Sony BMG incident is not unrelated. Sony Ericsson too treated the customer like shit.
And the best part came when the discontinued there UIQ product because there where no demand for the kind of mobile phones.
while... loop
if... then
if... then
null;
else
null;
end if;
end if; end while;
Knowing at the end of an block which block ends is nice and can lead to more intelligent error messages.
Of course braces don't give you that advantage either. They are indeed completely useless and good for nothing. Apart from: How do you do a null / {} statement in Python.
Well, I see we play in a different leage. I might mention that I pay ~ â40 a month so I can watch TV without advertising.
Because that is where it comes down to: Nothing is free - you just might not notice the hidden cost at the first glance.
Same goes for Apple and OS X. There the price is in the open. You pay and have a system which works a lot better then Windows. Even Office:MAC 2008 is better then Office 2008. Because those features which you pay for every 18 month are usefull.
But in the end it is your decision how much you value your qualtity time.
Well - as allways - Apple has lead the way here: There is single password storage for all applications on a Mac OS X system. And it is synconised via MobileME. So basicliy precisly what you want.
But of course Opera, Thunderbird and Firefox just ignore the system password storrage and bring there own. Heck - not even Thunderbird and Fixefox share the same password storrage - how stupid. And sync via extra plugin - all wrong.
Well that was it for me. There is no Sprint in Switzerland. All networks GSM compatible here.
And even if there was GSM here: I got a company SIM and and have no use for a phone which ties me to a particular network.
But then: From all I understand US working (I might be wrong of course): Sprint is the network for those poor which cant affort a contract which propper GSM network.
Which makes Palm Pre the phone for those who can't affort an IPhone (or a contract with AT&T)
Not iPhone killer but poor mans iPhone.
Which is sad: On those Videos it did look quite nice. And some of those features where kind of the way I allways though "It should realy be like...."
And they make it hard or impossible to block incoming messages. So if you have a bunch of dumb-ass or malicious friends with unlimited texting plans, they can really run up your bill.
My almost very first thought when I read about the pay-for-receive. Only difference: I thought "SPAMer" instead of "malicious friends".
But the European way is correct - as a receiver I have no choice - I can not say: I don't want Mary's SMS any more. I receive them no matter what and if I had to pay as well I would be double upset.
Hmm strange - did work for me most of the time. But then SuSE went downhill ever since Novell took over. But this does highlight a problem with Linux: Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Ask for help because your web cam does not work - get three answers "for me it works".
In the end I spend to much time getting things to work and I switched to Mac
But first: Thanks to automount flash-drives work with modern Linux distros out ouf the box.
Did you know that on a Mac you de-install software by drag and drop it into the trashcan. In fact drag and drop to the trashcan is so intuitive that Windows has an extra warning that it won't what you might expect: de-install the application.
Well, they should be stored inside the extended attributes.
If only the Linux programmers would finally understand 99.9% of Desktop-Linux systems use a file system with extended attributes and would stop developing for the remaining 0.1%.
It is one of the reasons I use a Mac these days: No Mac Programmer thinks twice about using extended attributes when they are the right solution to the problem.
And this only one example - dozens of system features which could make live a lot easier lay dormant on Linux systems because the application programmers think to much about some 0.1 to 5 % minority which won't have the feature available.
Different on Mac OS X: if a feature is there it's used and live becomes a lot easier for it.
Maybe because Ada is only called horrible by those who never used it. At least I now of no seasoned Ada programmer who calls Ada horrible.
Which is unlike C / C++: I know several seasoned C / C++ programmer who consider C / C++ horrible and only use it because they have to. Some posted right here in this discussion a little further up.
Maybe because any seasoned programmer I know of with in deeps knowledge of Ada, C and C++ will choose Ada if he / she has a free hand.
Maybe because I have more experience with the matter then you.
And why use monopace? Because code tags don't work any more on "plain old text" posting.
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No I am a dislexic german with and spell check is not active with the browser I am currently using.
But then, how do you get people to download it ?
Easy, you reserve www.oenoffice.org, www.opnoffice.org, www.opeoffice.org www.openffice.org and www.openofice.org and offer the applications for download there.
Remember, I am in vafour of OpenSource - but I do not close my eyes in front of potential danger.
Why the hell would an average user need to download his/her copy from some shady "aLl w4r3z r us !" website ?
No reason at all, but he might download from www.ubntu.org.
Martin
this won't happen ever - and for vanity reasons. Vanity? - Yes: Have you ever noticed how many icons the Acrobat-Reader installs on a Windows system?
Are you seriously suggesting this won't happen because Adobe is so vain about the number of icons they use? I must be missing something.
Not just Adobe - all of them! They create far more icons then needed on installation. Desktop, quickstart, top level start menu, bottom level start menu and last not least a "quick start" icon.
Acrobat-Reader is just a perfect example of those useless vanity icons. Because with Acrobat-Reader none of them are needed. With Acrobat-Reader all you ever do is reading PDFs and you do so by double clicking the icon an existing PDF. I for once never ever clicked any of those Acrobat-Reader icons. OK, one exception: To drag them into the trash can.
Still Acrobat-Reader comes with all of them!
So what are they good for? Only thing I can think of: The remind the user that he / she has Adobe Acrobat Reader installed.
If they'd done that properly, i.e. create the blank file, AND auto-opened the application, so you can just work right away, I think it would be a great improvement.
Which is almost what OS/2 did. You could have so called templates - when you double clicked them a new document based on the template would open. When you dragged and dropped them a new document would be created at the destination. A bit like the "New Printer" icon on windows.
Need you own Template. Easy: prepare a document with the desired content and then mark it as template. The mark would be added to the extended attributes of the document - no special extension needed - works with any application as the whole mechanism was provided by the Workplace Shell.
What you describe is a Worm;
1) A Virus is a self replication pice of software.
2) A Worm wiggles it's way into your mashine.
3) A Trojan is hides inside some other software to get into your mashine.
Of course combinations are possible - There are quite a few Viruses which are also Worms.
I just wish someone would do this for the Linux world. I've tried nearly every ISO download under "Applications -> Unix" on The Pirate Bay, but everything seems to be *legal*.
Why then does OpenOffice.org tell us not to use version which are not from there very own server? Legal does not mean free of malware ad-ons.
The truth is: OpenSource makes is easier to attach malware to a download.
Note that I am all in favour of OpenSource - but one should not close his / her eyes from the downside.
So you start iTunes just for the fun of it? Interesting. I usually want to play some Music and iTunes is just the means to do it.
Note that I once used OS/2 which had a different approach: You would not launch applications at all. You would double click documents and the application would launch for you.
Ok, you can do that any OS these days. But there was a difference here. The reason why you would not do that with i.E. music is that Finder does not browse music folders all that well. In OS/2 an application could/should provide a plug in for the Workplace Shell (the Finder equivalent) to make browsing easy.
And then you have true document centric interface where applications are just there in the background. But this won't happen ever - and for vanity reasons. Vanity? - Yes: Have you ever noticed how many icons the Acrobat-Reader installs on a Windows system? And have you ever used one of these? I don't - I double click PDF files. Vanity - there are just there for Adobe to show off.
Well everybody here says "Linux" but let me point out that Apples Xserve uses Samba as well.
So there will be even more interesting alternatives ahead.
Martin
Read here: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38625
Four forum pages of praise for the products and discontent for Sony Ericsson's customer service. Ahh, Sony Ericsson as the mayor shareholder let UIQ go bankrupt instead of rolling up the company properly. What is that for an attitude?
So no, I only started to hate Sony.
No, he is right. Just join any Symbian OS / UIQ 3 related forum and you will see that the Sony BMG incident is not unrelated. Sony Ericsson too treated the customer like shit.
And the best part came when the discontinued there UIQ product because there where no demand for the kind of mobile phones.
Read here: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38625
Four forum pages of praise for the products and discontent for Sony Ericsson's customer service.
As said in the heading: Sony must still learn there lesson.
That's the reason (well, one of them) why Python lacks block delimiters: messy code indentation in other languages.
Only I move on to automatic code formatting: Cut-Copy-Auto_Format and all is well. Now that won't work in Python.
Python strange syntax is solving a problem for in the mean time better solution where found.
Of course I would use:
while
if
if
null;
else
null;
end if;
end if;
end while;
Knowing at the end of an block which block ends is nice and can lead to more intelligent error messages.
Of course braces don't give you that advantage either. They are indeed completely useless and good for nothing. Apart from: How do you do a null / {} statement in Python.
Well, I see we play in a different leage. I might mention that I pay ~ â40 a month so I can watch TV without advertising.
Because that is where it comes down to: Nothing is free - you just might not notice the hidden cost at the first glance.
Same goes for Apple and OS X. There the price is in the open. You pay and have a system which works a lot better then Windows. Even Office:MAC 2008 is better then Office 2008. Because those features which you pay for every 18 month are usefull.
But in the end it is your decision how much you value your qualtity time.
Well - as allways - Apple has lead the way here: There is single password storage for all applications on a Mac OS X system. And it is synconised via MobileME. So basicliy precisly what you want.
But of course Opera, Thunderbird and Firefox just ignore the system password storrage and bring there own. Heck - not even Thunderbird and Fixefox share the same password storrage - how stupid. And sync via extra plugin - all wrong.
Will Chrome do it better? I don't think so.
... on the Sprint network.
Well that was it for me. There is no Sprint in Switzerland. All networks GSM compatible here.
And even if there was GSM here: I got a company SIM and and have no use for a phone which ties me to a particular network.
But then: From all I understand US working (I might be wrong of course): Sprint is the network for those poor which cant affort a contract which propper GSM network.
Which makes Palm Pre the phone for those who can't affort an IPhone (or a contract with AT&T)
Not iPhone killer but poor mans iPhone.
Which is sad: On those Videos it did look quite nice. And some of those features where kind of the way I allways though "It should realy be like...."
Maybe Palm sellst itself cheap...
Targeting a 5 .. 10% larger audience lead to ~122% more sales.
Now, I would still have guessed (including the leverage) it but that does not go for everybody.
And they make it hard or impossible to block incoming messages. So if you have a bunch of dumb-ass or malicious friends with unlimited texting plans, they can really run up your bill.
My almost very first thought when I read about the pay-for-receive. Only difference: I thought "SPAMer" instead of "malicious friends".
Martin
But the European way is correct - as a receiver I have no choice - I can not say: I don't want Mary's SMS any more. I receive them no matter what and if I had to pay as well I would be double upset.
Hmm strange - did work for me most of the time. But then SuSE went downhill ever since Novell took over. But this does highlight a problem with Linux: Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. Ask for help because your web cam does not work - get three answers "for me it works".
In the end I spend to much time getting things to work and I switched to Mac
Martin
No: Mac OS X is just easier.
But first: Thanks to automount flash-drives work with modern Linux distros out ouf the box.
Did you know that on a Mac you de-install software by drag and drop it into the trashcan. In fact drag and drop to the trashcan is so intuitive that Windows has an extra warning that it won't what you might expect: de-install the application.
Martin
Well, they should be stored inside the extended attributes.
If only the Linux programmers would finally understand 99.9% of Desktop-Linux systems use a file system with extended attributes and would stop developing for the remaining 0.1%.
It is one of the reasons I use a Mac these days: No Mac Programmer thinks twice about using extended attributes when they are the right solution to the problem.
And this only one example - dozens of system features which could make live a lot easier lay dormant on Linux systems because the application programmers think to much about some 0.1 to 5 % minority which won't have the feature available.
Different on Mac OS X: if a feature is there it's used and live becomes a lot easier for it.
which would be ;-) - note the semicolon.
You missed the wick. It's the one with the semicolon which is patented ;-)
No - after all you missed the wick. It's the one with the semicolon which is patented ;-)
Maybe because Ada is not actually horrible.
Maybe because Ada is only called horrible by those who never used it. At least I now of no seasoned Ada programmer who calls Ada horrible.
Which is unlike C / C++: I know several seasoned C / C++ programmer who consider C / C++ horrible and only use it because they have to. Some posted right here in this discussion a little further up.
Maybe because any seasoned programmer I know of with in deeps knowledge of Ada, C and C++ will choose Ada if he / she has a free hand.
Maybe because I have more experience with the matter then you.
And why use monopace? Because code tags don't work any more on "plain old text" posting.
Martin