"Future post-apocalypse self travels back to fix things/warn pre-apocalypse self." is a well-worn trope.
Not in cartoons for little girls.
The inclusion of that adult trope in the childrens' show was a direct result of the vocal adult fanbase.
Benny Hill and Blazing Saddles references aren't for little girls either, yet they were present in episodes made before the show was ever aired. The show was made for families, and there's always been things that were there to entertain adults.
I'm not saying there's not fandom-specific references. Derpy is one in spades. Lyra and Bon Bon's repeated pairings (including wearing each other's clothes, er, saddlebags). The proposed toys with fan favorites (and for once, an MLP antagonist). The latest blind bags with Lyra Heartstrings and Trixie Lulamoon.
But not everything is a direct reference. Young adult tech-savvy authors and young adult tech-savvy audience means there's a lot of cultural overlap. If a writer is allowed to include grown-up humor, they will just to keep themselves from being bored. I can't imagine that the person who wrote The Princess Promenade or what-have-you-from-G3 got much glee out of it.
So, yes, I'm sure that some of the things we see are nods to the fandom, and the fandom's existence will prevent or at least stall the series falling back into "an entire episode of hide-and-seek among the playsets" 1/2 hour commercial territory. But I'm not willing to ascribe everything to the fans as opposed to just being Parental Bonuses.
I'm quite enjoying the Mass Effect fiasco. You see, I've been called a "Mass Effect fanboy" repeatedly even though I don't like the games at all. (Played the first one a bit, hated the gameplay, mostly ignored the series after that.)
When the firestorm kicked up I watched the endings on Youtube. And then I watched them again from a different poster because I though the first poster was trolling me. So I dug a bit deeper and watched the run-up to the limp-to-the-choice finale and I was shocked at how painful it was. I have no investment in the 'verse but I had to call out writing that horrible. And I got called a fanboy for it. Huh.
Honestly, though, both sides have fanboys. And both sides have people who are right. I mean, if you were in it for the big boom and the exciting run from the explosion, it provided that, and someone who's happy with that is happy with that. Good for them. But I can understand at least some of the rage and the feeling of being short-changed.
One of the big hubs of the fandom is Equestria Daily, which was amazed they got 10,000 hits a year ago because the maker just thought there were a couple of fanatics on/co/. They're up to a couple million hits now.
I didn't realize "a couple" could stretch to cover "144". Looks like they're doing a couple million hits A WEEK.
I think EA and Bioware are finding out what can happen when you start letting fans believe they have an influence on what happens in a story.
Remove the EA from that. I doubt they'd realize the difference between a fanbase and a bottom line unless they got the fanbase so riled up they torched EA HQ. (Gods, I remember when they were Electronic Arts.)
The end was just like the end in a lot of games: A slapdash finale stuck together as the deadline loomed because they needed something. Bioware's fault for not writing the ending until a few months before release, I guess.
That's a direct riff on one of the most popular fanfics, the Fallout: Equestria series.
Is Twilight's exact lines used in the fic? Because if not it's probably coincidence. "Future post-apocalypse self travels back to fix things/warn pre-apocalypse self." is a well-worn trope. Also, the name Fallout: Equestria makes me think of something thoroughly "after the end", while the "end" predicted on the show was entirely the work of a single overreaction by a single character. "Epic X war" describes Fallout, partly. It also describes Mass Effect, The Forever War, parts The Lord of the Rings, and the real Second World War. It's a thin thing to hang a franchise on.
The root problem: The MLP fanbase is so huge and prolific that after a while it becomes almost impossible to do something without someone else having done something similar first.
All of my content at home is purchased and legal. What kind of suspicious behavior can I do to make Comcast flag me as a pirate (without having to actually download pirated content)?
Torrent stuff, I'd wager. Linux ISOs is the obvious one, though there is free & legal music out there.
The hell? Makes it sound like all anime and manga have naked children in them.
A lot of people think they do, or at least some sort of depravity. I've never heard a mainstream show reference Grave of the Fireflies etc. but at least one sitcom has referred to the more... notable... elements of Legend of the Overfiend when discussing "Japanese cartoons".
I really did not want the image of a slashdotter showering with his keyboard. I am now forever scarred. I hope you are happy.
Spoken like someone who's never seen the music video for Press Play On Tape's "Comic Bakery" remix. That one broke me far more than mere keyboard showering would.
So he is not under arrest, he has not been found guitly of a crime...but the state can prevent him from being alone with his own daughter? Let us spend some time thinking about how many things are wrong here.
Sorry, I was too busy thinking about a proposed law that divides the American public into two groups: registered sex offenders and unregistered sex offenders.
they sure don't need society to grant them welfare payments just because their dad(?) was a good singer.
Or their granddad. Or their great granddad. Because there's copyrights around now that have outlived not merely the creator but also some (or all) of the creator's children, even when the creator died early and the children are dying of old age. The great-grandkids are old enough to have jobs while the works of someone who's more ancestor than family member are still under copyright, not that they ever see the profits anyway.
Long way from the desperate-widow-and-her-baby-in-a-shack image the companies propagate, huh?
The clothes probably aren't that used at all. But I suppose that depends on one's point of view: I think of gimp masks and strapons as wearable equipment rather than clothes, and I imagine those are well used.
A few years ago I was listening to a radio show that mentioned Australia's impending problem with their POTS because no one was making the switching electronics anymore, and supplies were going to run out. They were talking about forcing urban centers to switch over to newer tech so they could cannibalize the urban copper network to keep the rural copper network running.
Have things changed that much, or have I just misremembered?
You mean Dells home grade tech support. Anyone who has purchased Dell's business line of products such as workstations/servers knows you get someone in the USA on the phone that is usually very knowledgeable.
Better than Asus. I was dragged to a meeting with a pair of their pitchmen and got to watch a delightful scene in which someone from our sales department waited for them to mention servers and then tore them apart with a story of a client whose server went tits-up in under a month and when he called about it was told "We're sorry, the server support department isn't accepting calls right now." I quite enjoyed watching the Asus pitchmen stumbling to try pimp their warranty assistance and not understanding that "Someone will e-mail you the next business day." is not an acceptable response for a server failure.
Now, I could question why someone bought (and our sales guy sold) a product with such dismal yet 'acceptable' performance, but I didn't care. The show did my spleen too much good.
I've never liked the idea of science-fiction being the genre of the future, or even of reality as we know it today. Most science-fiction authors, from my experience, have a poor understanding of actual scientific knowledge and, instead, rely on omission of fact to glaze over scientific points of interest. Frankenstein, for example, never exactly explains in concrete terms exactly how the monster was brought to life, or how it survived, or what it ate, or actual and exact process undertaken to reproduce the experiment.
So your complaint about Frankenstein is that it isn't an instruction manual on how to create life/revive the dead.
I can't tell if you've set your sights for literature way too high or way too low.
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"Future post-apocalypse self travels back to fix things/warn pre-apocalypse self." is a well-worn trope.
Not in cartoons for little girls. The inclusion of that adult trope in the childrens' show was a direct result of the vocal adult fanbase.
Benny Hill and Blazing Saddles references aren't for little girls either, yet they were present in episodes made before the show was ever aired. The show was made for families, and there's always been things that were there to entertain adults.
I'm not saying there's not fandom-specific references. Derpy is one in spades. Lyra and Bon Bon's repeated pairings (including wearing each other's clothes, er, saddlebags). The proposed toys with fan favorites (and for once, an MLP antagonist). The latest blind bags with Lyra Heartstrings and Trixie Lulamoon.
But not everything is a direct reference. Young adult tech-savvy authors and young adult tech-savvy audience means there's a lot of cultural overlap. If a writer is allowed to include grown-up humor, they will just to keep themselves from being bored. I can't imagine that the person who wrote The Princess Promenade or what-have-you-from-G3 got much glee out of it.
So, yes, I'm sure that some of the things we see are nods to the fandom, and the fandom's existence will prevent or at least stall the series falling back into "an entire episode of hide-and-seek among the playsets" 1/2 hour commercial territory. But I'm not willing to ascribe everything to the fans as opposed to just being Parental Bonuses.
Your lack of knowledge is for the best. I still rue the day someone told me about Jersey Shore.
I'm quite enjoying the Mass Effect fiasco. You see, I've been called a "Mass Effect fanboy" repeatedly even though I don't like the games at all. (Played the first one a bit, hated the gameplay, mostly ignored the series after that.)
When the firestorm kicked up I watched the endings on Youtube. And then I watched them again from a different poster because I though the first poster was trolling me. So I dug a bit deeper and watched the run-up to the limp-to-the-choice finale and I was shocked at how painful it was. I have no investment in the 'verse but I had to call out writing that horrible. And I got called a fanboy for it. Huh.
Honestly, though, both sides have fanboys. And both sides have people who are right. I mean, if you were in it for the big boom and the exciting run from the explosion, it provided that, and someone who's happy with that is happy with that. Good for them. But I can understand at least some of the rage and the feeling of being short-changed.
One of the big hubs of the fandom is Equestria Daily, which was amazed they got 10,000 hits a year ago because the maker just thought there were a couple of fanatics on /co/. They're up to a couple million hits now.
I didn't realize "a couple" could stretch to cover "144". Looks like they're doing a couple million hits A WEEK.
I think EA and Bioware are finding out what can happen when you start letting fans believe they have an influence on what happens in a story.
Remove the EA from that. I doubt they'd realize the difference between a fanbase and a bottom line unless they got the fanbase so riled up they torched EA HQ. (Gods, I remember when they were Electronic Arts.)
The end was just like the end in a lot of games: A slapdash finale stuck together as the deadline loomed because they needed something. Bioware's fault for not writing the ending until a few months before release, I guess.
Now we're grizzled men with grizzled beards and a Fluttershy desktop.
Hey now, I'm a grizzled man with a grizzled beard and a Letty Whiterock & Cirno desktop. I was into friendship-driven meme engines before it was cool.
Oh, yes, and hipster glasses. I've got those too.
That's a direct riff on one of the most popular fanfics, the Fallout: Equestria series.
Is Twilight's exact lines used in the fic? Because if not it's probably coincidence. "Future post-apocalypse self travels back to fix things/warn pre-apocalypse self." is a well-worn trope. Also, the name Fallout: Equestria makes me think of something thoroughly "after the end", while the "end" predicted on the show was entirely the work of a single overreaction by a single character. "Epic X war" describes Fallout, partly. It also describes Mass Effect, The Forever War, parts The Lord of the Rings, and the real Second World War. It's a thin thing to hang a franchise on.
The root problem: The MLP fanbase is so huge and prolific that after a while it becomes almost impossible to do something without someone else having done something similar first.
Scripted shows, especially ones targeted to children or sci-fi ones, can rake in hundreds of millions with related product sales.
And I've seen "Snooki" t-shirts. It might not be action figures but there IS reality show merch.
I have nothing to with this thread but I'm going to apologize too, just to be safe.
And their parents' votes!
Sorry, I was too busy thinking of the "stone pigs" under Fallen London in Echo Bazaar.
Five down, two to go.
Torrent stuff, I'd wager. Linux ISOs is the obvious one, though there is free & legal music out there.
The hell? Makes it sound like all anime and manga have naked children in them.
A lot of people think they do, or at least some sort of depravity. I've never heard a mainstream show reference Grave of the Fireflies etc. but at least one sitcom has referred to the more... notable... elements of Legend of the Overfiend when discussing "Japanese cartoons".
I sincerely hope Mr.-wrong-name got the condescending jerkass letter meant for me.
Who or what created the creator?
Chuck Norris!
You bring that golden calf bullshit into this house of Brando one more time and I swear I will discipline you.
I really did not want the image of a slashdotter showering with his keyboard. I am now forever scarred. I hope you are happy.
Spoken like someone who's never seen the music video for Press Play On Tape's "Comic Bakery" remix. That one broke me far more than mere keyboard showering would.
It ain't the best when you're at work and you start finding mystery short curlies in your keyboard.
So he is not under arrest, he has not been found guitly of a crime...but the state can prevent him from being alone with his own daughter? Let us spend some time thinking about how many things are wrong here.
Sorry, I was too busy thinking about a proposed law that divides the American public into two groups: registered sex offenders and unregistered sex offenders.
they sure don't need society to grant them welfare payments just because their dad(?) was a good singer.
Or their granddad. Or their great granddad. Because there's copyrights around now that have outlived not merely the creator but also some (or all) of the creator's children, even when the creator died early and the children are dying of old age. The great-grandkids are old enough to have jobs while the works of someone who's more ancestor than family member are still under copyright, not that they ever see the profits anyway.
Long way from the desperate-widow-and-her-baby-in-a-shack image the companies propagate, huh?
Wasteland sells used clothes.
Summary:
The takedown was in error (from a porn company)
The clothes probably aren't that used at all. But I suppose that depends on one's point of view: I think of gimp masks and strapons as wearable equipment rather than clothes, and I imagine those are well used.
(Someone shoulda read TFA a little closer. ;)
> So long as it's like Zardoz, I can live with that.
But can you live with Sean Connery dressed like THAT again?
A few years ago I was listening to a radio show that mentioned Australia's impending problem with their POTS because no one was making the switching electronics anymore, and supplies were going to run out. They were talking about forcing urban centers to switch over to newer tech so they could cannibalize the urban copper network to keep the rural copper network running.
Have things changed that much, or have I just misremembered?
You mean Dells home grade tech support. Anyone who has purchased Dell's business line of products such as workstations/servers knows you get someone in the USA on the phone that is usually very knowledgeable.
Better than Asus. I was dragged to a meeting with a pair of their pitchmen and got to watch a delightful scene in which someone from our sales department waited for them to mention servers and then tore them apart with a story of a client whose server went tits-up in under a month and when he called about it was told "We're sorry, the server support department isn't accepting calls right now." I quite enjoyed watching the Asus pitchmen stumbling to try pimp their warranty assistance and not understanding that "Someone will e-mail you the next business day." is not an acceptable response for a server failure.
Now, I could question why someone bought (and our sales guy sold) a product with such dismal yet 'acceptable' performance, but I didn't care. The show did my spleen too much good.
I've never liked the idea of science-fiction being the genre of the future, or even of reality as we know it today. Most science-fiction authors, from my experience, have a poor understanding of actual scientific knowledge and, instead, rely on omission of fact to glaze over scientific points of interest. Frankenstein, for example, never exactly explains in concrete terms exactly how the monster was brought to life, or how it survived, or what it ate, or actual and exact process undertaken to reproduce the experiment.
So your complaint about Frankenstein is that it isn't an instruction manual on how to create life/revive the dead.
I can't tell if you've set your sights for literature way too high or way too low.
You can't solve paranoia. Give a candle to a man jumping at shadows, and he'll just start panicking about the shadows moving.