The cow kicked over the lamp because he was getting sodomized by one of your fine residents.
racial segregation, crooked politicians, cold as hell and people who stereotype homosexuals and citizens of other cities. Oh yea the CUBS, talk about brutal! You're dreaming. Brownsville Texas is the only place for me!
Trying to convert religious people is harder then pulling a pacifier out of a 6 month old babies mouth, but essentially the same. Anyways, this URL is dirty as hell but pretty funny for those interested. Anyway interested in researching the debate. check infidels.org, lots of good stuff. If your a christian, you owe it to yourself to challenge your belief. If your an atheist and can find some evidence for religion, let me know
http://www.theonion.com/onion3712/healing_light. ht ml
who needs them to fly off the earth. havent you heard about rapture, all the good people floating off into space, Im gonna pray for the first time ever,
Please oh mighty jehovah relinquish the faithfull of their planetary duties so the sinners can suffer alone on the planet without the preachers and wars. Without attacking homosexuals and people of different idealogies. Let them cure cancer with research, and poverty with birth control. boy that would be awful!
after years of fruitless argument I whole heartidly agree with you. People committed to idea that is so intrically tied to them traditionally and emotionally are impossible to talk to objectively. Any angry athiest out there, dont waste your time talkiing reason with some one who by doctrine requires faith as the only means of substantiating their beliefs, it is fruitless and frustrating. Im 34 and became an atheist when I was 12 and could not get answers for basic questions like. what about dinosuars? how can free will exist if god knows everything including the future. Why are preachers rich and congregations poor ? hehe.
dont waste your time, you cant change people who are not willing to listen! It is fun to get them fired up though!
That is a stereotype and common misconception.
Besides, you're telling me that science doesn't force opinion on others?
Science memes its ideas like all ideas the world pushes forward. religion has a history of using violence,"crusades" and prosletyzing the underpriveledged with its notions in a missionary role all over the world, bags of rice to thr poor always come with bibles!
Much science requires blind faith. See the atom,quantum theory,
macro-evolution
well those are theories, however they are based on math and empiral evidence, not just tradition and myth, such as the bible!
Also let me note: I believe in evolution on a MICRO scale. It is FACT. It has been proven. But I did not evolve from an ape. An ape is a species all its own. Merely because micro-evolution exists is not enough empirical evidence to prove the existence of the missing link and that man evolved from ape. It's about as believable as the Easter Bunny.
of course you did not evolve from and ape, you evolved from an earlier form of man, however that clues me in to your position, you feel like animals are dirty and below you, we are part of the animal kingdom. like it or not. why the hell do you think we test medicine on other mammals, gee maybe because we can extrapolate the reuslts to humans. our DNA is almost 99% the same as a chimp? thats fact! explain that to me?
It's like people only do things because they get paid...
and that's just really sad
--Garth Algar
Science requires empirical proof, religion requires faith , faith is beleiving in something that has no evidence to support it. Dont you see the difference, science created your computer, the language of science is math it creates real things. Are scientist zealots, yes often, but the scientific method is the model worth note, because it takes subjective opinions out of the loop. Religion forces subjective opinion on others, mostly with fear or sense of belonging. How can you see these are the same?
what the hell does the complexity of the body have to do with the argument of evolution vs creationism? We used to think flogistum,sp?was and invisible force that created fire and that our hearts actually housed our courage? BFD, science is unfolding these mysteries, religion is a pacifier, science actually works. All religious people have real faith, dont take your children to the doctor, who uses science, let god decide their fate since you will all be dancing and singing on streets paved of gold eventually anyway, this way evolution can work correctly.
gee, maybe people and scientist are tired of religion telling poor people not use birth control creating even greater suffering in the 3rd world. tired of them working in earnest to stop medical progress that could cure cancer and deformed babies. almost every advance man has made from abolition of slavery to womens rights has been fought tooth and nail by religion. the religious south used the bible to fight for the right to have slaves, the old testiment, advocated violence slavery and sexism, MAYBE THATS WHY!!!
actually yes, your on your way the atheism. There has been numerous scientific studies that suggest acts of "perceived altruism" and cooperation benefit the whole. surrounding myself with good people "which can only be done through good acts" is good for my survival and good for species proliferation. surely if everyone ran around raping and killing that would serve no ones survival interest. This has been explained and studied extensively. Im still waiting for an explanation of written history from previous cultures that have no knowledge of adam and eve? how could this occur if it all began with the new testiment? dinosuars? world is 4000 yrs old?
your ascribing all the things we dont understand to some kind of evidence god exist, thats ridiculous, science is slowly unfolding the nature of the universe and religion fights it heartily because its dissolving the mystery that religion claims to be the work of god. Like I said do you have any evidence of supernatural events, not things that science does not understand yet, but evidence of what creationist claim true. Science requires the "scientific method" actually demonstrating some kind of empiral proof that is empiracal and defined. religion is a joke by that standard.
"There is something dishonestly self-serving in the tactic of claiming that all religious beliefs are outside the domain of science. On the one hand, miracle stories and the promise of life after death are used to impress simple people, win converts, and swell congregations. It is precisely their scientific power that gives these stories their popular appeal. But at the same time it is considered below the belt to subject the same stories to the ordinary rigors of scientific criticism: these are religious matters and therefore outside the domain of science. But you cannot have it both ways. At least, religious theorists and apologists should not be allowed to get away with having it both ways." dawkins
infidels.org has a ton of newspaper artilces from germany proving that hitlers belief was largley catholic, although on the occult side. fact of the matter is that religious intolerance has killed more people then almost all other events combined, even though stalin did some pretty severe genecide. So discard what you heard at church and actually read history, oh I forgot, your religious you believe what your told regardless of facts
no thanks, I studied the bible for 2 years at southern baptist school I attended as an athelete " not for religous reasons " you can perform semantic magic on any literature, all Im requesting as any evidence what so ever!! The only chance religion has is to take the higher path and say " god created evolution and science merely unfolds his/her genius , but really its just more bullshit. We have 6000 years of written history, religions rose and fell thousand of years before judiasm, its kind of funny that none of the previous cultures knew anything about it. Science gives you empiral ways to prove things, science books define the proof. Religion is nothing but written testiment, hardly evidence.
It doesnt matter what all you creationist think, you have nothing but word of mouth and outlived myths! No one in the history of mankind has ever been able to do anything metaphysical. Dont you get it, the scientific method requires actual proof, actual objective reality, end product like the computer your looking into. Religion is a joke by these standards. I challenge Jesus, god, shiva and thor. Strike me dead right now!! hehe. When science clones a neandrathal man will you still have doubts. Just consider yourselves lucky enough to live in a country and time where religion does not control government and lucky enough to see science unfold our genetic evolution. Creationist are gonna cry when their god is viewed as a silly myth and tradition. "big brother Jesus" who makes life feel secure and meaningful gets placed in the same lockbox as thor, zeus and the 1000 other gods that have gone by the wayside. Have the balls to stand up and analyze the world with your chest out, uncontrolled by what mama and preacherman said. Once you can break that hold it all seems ridiculous. I've wasted to much of my life already pissed off about peoples desperate need for religion and the blind faith which hurts all of us.
NO, the creationist paradigm creates fragmentation and human discord
it has been the biggest creater of human suffering and still creates suffering
everyday in the form of WAR, IMPEDING MEDICAL SCIENCE, CONDEMING BIRTH CONTROL, and many other ways. Disproving creationism is important and will aid
in humanity taking RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS, by taking subjective and
dogmatinc beliefs out of the picture. Once the "higher cause" has disappered we are
forced to look at ourselves as the soul creater of "good or bad" acts. We lose our
justifications and our ability to be outsource our "sin" knowing that forgiveness is a prayer away.
No No , you're wrong. Some of our policies have been poor, no doubt. But I blame mostly religion, which seems to be in a non-stop struggle with morla progress, Mainly, its hard to get people to so easily kill themselves unless they are brainwashed into believing that heaven is as close as next door. Secondly, differing religion/ideology allows us to see non-believers as inferior or sub human, It gives them a justification. Look at the history of the world, It's the same sad story over and over again!
1st.It's in poor taste that people continually bash the U.S for it's "stupid people" and "horrible morality" It's diverging from the point of what terrorism brings all civilized people.2nd, I could give a rats ass about the Europeans or rest the worlds opinions. From a darwinain perspective, the fact of the matter is the U.S. is the biggest , baddest mofo on the planet, its hard believe that a bunch of dipshits could dominate the planet in our markets and military. Im essentially liberal and I do unserstand some of the atrocities we have committed (all countries have their own!) For a second put yourself in the perspective of an alien looking over the world, who has the most freedom, the most power (good or bad). face it, if this was a game of "risk" the U.S. has won. Secondly , some anonymous coward wrote how Linus in from Finland, and he only came to the U.S. for $$$$$, again who cares, who teh hell developed the UNIX system, surely not the finns? anyway, as much as I hate $MS, survival of the fittest, and they are winning. So beleive what you want! And by the way, Im and american CZECH, we are all foreigners if we are not native Indians!
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I have purchased about 10 pcs for my company, all windows originally shipped, then formattted and slacked. I gotta beleive that is true in many cases
The cow kicked over the lamp because he was getting sodomized by one of your fine residents.
racial segregation, crooked politicians, cold as hell and people who stereotype homosexuals and citizens of other cities. Oh yea the CUBS, talk about brutal! You're dreaming. Brownsville Texas is the only place for me!
Trying to convert religious people is harder then pulling a pacifier out of a 6 month old babies mouth, but essentially the same. Anyways, this URL is dirty as hell but pretty funny for those interested. Anyway interested in researching the debate. check infidels.org, lots of good stuff. If your a christian, you owe it to yourself to challenge your belief. If your an atheist and can find some evidence for religion, let me know
. ht ml
http://www.theonion.com/onion3712/healing_light
who needs them to fly off the earth. havent you heard about rapture, all the good people floating off into space, Im gonna pray for the first time ever,
Please oh mighty jehovah relinquish the faithfull of their planetary duties so the sinners can suffer alone on the planet without the preachers and wars. Without attacking homosexuals and people of different idealogies. Let them cure cancer with research, and poverty with birth control. boy that would be awful!
after years of fruitless argument I whole heartidly agree with you. People committed to idea that is so intrically tied to them traditionally and emotionally are impossible to talk to objectively. Any angry athiest out there, dont waste your time talkiing reason with some one who by doctrine requires faith as the only means of substantiating their beliefs, it is fruitless and frustrating. Im 34 and became an atheist when I was 12 and could not get answers for basic questions like. what about dinosuars? how can free will exist if god knows everything including the future. Why are preachers rich and congregations poor ? hehe.
dont waste your time, you cant change people who are not willing to listen! It is fun to get them fired up though!
Religion forces subjective opinion on others
That is a stereotype and common misconception.
Besides, you're telling me that science doesn't force opinion on others?
Science memes its ideas like all ideas the world pushes forward. religion has a history of using violence,"crusades" and prosletyzing the underpriveledged with its notions in a missionary role all over the world, bags of rice to thr poor always come with bibles!
Science requires empirical proof, religion requires faith
Much science requires blind faith. See the atom,quantum theory,
macro-evolution
well those are theories, however they are based on math and empiral evidence, not just tradition and myth, such as the bible!
Also let me note: I believe in evolution on a MICRO scale. It is FACT. It has been proven. But I did not evolve from an ape. An ape is a species all its own. Merely because micro-evolution exists is not enough empirical evidence to prove the existence of the missing link and that man evolved from ape. It's about as believable as the Easter Bunny.
of course you did not evolve from and ape, you evolved from an earlier form of man, however that clues me in to your position, you feel like animals are dirty and below you, we are part of the animal kingdom. like it or not. why the hell do you think we test medicine on other mammals, gee maybe because we can extrapolate the reuslts to humans. our DNA is almost 99% the same as a chimp? thats fact! explain that to me?
It's like people only do things because they get paid...
and that's just really sad
--Garth Algar
Science requires empirical proof, religion requires faith , faith is beleiving in something that has no evidence to support it. Dont you see the difference, science created your computer, the language of science is math it creates real things. Are scientist zealots, yes often, but the scientific method is the model worth note, because it takes subjective opinions out of the loop. Religion forces subjective opinion on others, mostly with fear or sense of belonging. How can you see these are the same?
what the hell does the complexity of the body have to do with the argument of evolution vs creationism? We used to think flogistum ,sp?was and invisible force that created fire and that our hearts actually housed our courage? BFD, science is unfolding these mysteries, religion is a pacifier, science actually works. All religious people have real faith, dont take your children to the doctor, who uses science, let god decide their fate since you will all be dancing and singing on streets paved of gold eventually anyway, this way evolution can work correctly.
gee, maybe people and scientist are tired of religion telling poor people not use birth control creating even greater suffering in the 3rd world. tired of them working in earnest to stop medical progress that could cure cancer and deformed babies. almost every advance man has made from abolition of slavery to womens rights has been fought tooth and nail by religion. the religious south used the bible to fight for the right to have slaves, the old testiment, advocated violence slavery and sexism, MAYBE THATS WHY!!!
actually yes, your on your way the atheism. There has been numerous scientific studies that suggest acts of "perceived altruism" and cooperation benefit the whole. surrounding myself with good people "which can only be done through good acts" is good for my survival and good for species proliferation. surely if everyone ran around raping and killing that would serve no ones survival interest. This has been explained and studied extensively. Im still waiting for an explanation of written history from previous cultures that have no knowledge of adam and eve? how could this occur if it all began with the new testiment? dinosuars? world is 4000 yrs old?
your ascribing all the things we dont understand to some kind of evidence god exist, thats ridiculous, science is slowly unfolding the nature of the universe and religion fights it heartily because its dissolving the mystery that religion claims to be the work of god. Like I said do you have any evidence of supernatural events, not things that science does not understand yet, but evidence of what creationist claim true. Science requires the "scientific method" actually demonstrating some kind of empiral proof that is empiracal and defined. religion is a joke by that standard.
"There is something dishonestly self-serving in the tactic of claiming that all religious beliefs are outside the domain of science. On the one hand, miracle stories and the promise of life after death are used to impress simple people, win converts, and swell congregations. It is precisely their scientific power that gives these stories their popular appeal. But at the same time it is considered below the belt to subject the same stories to the ordinary rigors of scientific criticism: these are religious matters and therefore outside the domain of science. But you cannot have it both ways. At least, religious theorists and apologists should not be allowed to get away with having it both ways." dawkins
infidels.org has a ton of newspaper artilces from germany proving that hitlers belief was largley catholic, although on the occult side. fact of the matter is that religious intolerance has killed more people then almost all other events combined, even though stalin did some pretty severe genecide. So discard what you heard at church and actually read history, oh I forgot, your religious you believe what your told regardless of facts
no thanks, I studied the bible for 2 years at southern baptist school I attended as an athelete " not for religous reasons " you can perform semantic magic on any literature, all Im requesting as any evidence what so ever!! The only chance religion has is to take the higher path and say " god created evolution and science merely unfolds his/her genius , but really its just more bullshit. We have 6000 years of written history, religions rose and fell thousand of years before judiasm, its kind of funny that none of the previous cultures knew anything about it. Science gives you empiral ways to prove things, science books define the proof. Religion is nothing but written testiment, hardly evidence.
It doesnt matter what all you creationist think, you have nothing but word of mouth and outlived myths! No one in the history of mankind has ever been able to do anything metaphysical. Dont you get it, the scientific method requires actual proof, actual objective reality, end product like the computer your looking into. Religion is a joke by these standards. I challenge Jesus, god, shiva and thor. Strike me dead right now!! hehe. When science clones a neandrathal man will you still have doubts. Just consider yourselves lucky enough to live in a country and time where religion does not control government and lucky enough to see science unfold our genetic evolution. Creationist are gonna cry when their god is viewed as a silly myth and tradition. "big brother Jesus" who makes life feel secure and meaningful gets placed in the same lockbox as thor, zeus and the 1000 other gods that have gone by the wayside. Have the balls to stand up and analyze the world with your chest out, uncontrolled by what mama and preacherman said. Once you can break that hold it all seems ridiculous. I've wasted to much of my life already pissed off about peoples desperate need for religion and the blind faith which hurts all of us.
NO, the creationist paradigm creates fragmentation and human discord
it has been the biggest creater of human suffering and still creates suffering
everyday in the form of WAR, IMPEDING MEDICAL SCIENCE, CONDEMING BIRTH CONTROL, and many other ways. Disproving creationism is important and will aid
in humanity taking RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS, by taking subjective and
dogmatinc beliefs out of the picture. Once the "higher cause" has disappered we are
forced to look at ourselves as the soul creater of "good or bad" acts. We lose our
justifications and our ability to be outsource our "sin" knowing that forgiveness is a prayer away.
No No , you're wrong. Some of our policies have been poor, no doubt. But I blame mostly religion, which seems to be in a non-stop struggle with morla progress, Mainly, its hard to get people to so easily kill themselves unless they are brainwashed into believing that heaven is as close as next door. Secondly, differing religion/ideology allows us to see non-believers as inferior or sub human, It gives them a justification. Look at the history of the world, It's the same sad story over and over again!
1st.It's in poor taste that people continually bash the U.S for it's "stupid people" and "horrible morality" It's diverging from the point of what terrorism brings all civilized people.2nd, I could give a rats ass about the Europeans or rest the worlds opinions. From a darwinain perspective, the fact of the matter is the U.S. is the biggest , baddest mofo on the planet, its hard believe that a bunch of dipshits could dominate the planet in our markets and military. Im essentially liberal and I do unserstand some of the atrocities we have committed (all countries have their own!) For a second put yourself in the perspective of an alien looking over the world, who has the most freedom, the most power (good or bad). face it, if this was a game of "risk" the U.S. has won. Secondly , some anonymous coward wrote how Linus in from Finland, and he only came to the U.S. for $$$$$, again who cares, who teh hell developed the UNIX system, surely not the finns? anyway, as much as I hate $MS, survival of the fittest, and they are winning. So beleive what you want! And by the way, Im and american CZECH, we are all foreigners if we are not native Indians!