Bill Gates was able to steal all he wanted from Apple because yada-yada Xerox PARC. As long as there was something kind of like it in a lab 10 years ago — COPY AWAY!
Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire are media players — iPods. iPad is a PC for only $200 more. iPad has 600,000 native C/C++ apps, including 200,000 PC apps. iPad runs iMovie and Avid video editors (the 2 leading brands,) and the best presentation client in the world.
So yes, Amazon and Google are failures in the iPod market. And everyone but Apple is a failure in the tablet PC market. iPad competes with Windows only. Nexus 7 is as much a threat to iPad as iPod touch. Yes, you can get a $200 media player if that us what you need. If you need a tablet PC, there is a $399 iPad or an $1100 Windows tablet.
This article is of the “Apple is doomed” variety. That does not match the fact that every new iOS product outsells all the previous years. There is no way to spin that as being bad for Apple.
Android is all propaganda. It's so tiresome. Most Android phones are generic feature phones with no data plan. Android went downmarket a few years ago. If a carrier has iPhone, it not only outsells all their Android, it outsells the BlackBerry and other phones combined. The fact that there is a worldwide feature phone market that ships a lot of burner phones that make almost no money does not predict the smartphone market.
Android is in the same place versus iPhone as Windows is versus the Mac. They had to go downmarket because at the high end it is all Apple. Now, iPad is crushing Windows at $400–$600, and when Apple ships their low-end/feature phone, Android is going to suffer also. Especially when the hardware makers have to pay Apple and Microsoft for the stuff Google just 1:1 copied.
Android is in trouble right now, not Apple. That is why the Android partners are switching to building their own hardware (like Apple) and Apple is not switching to OS licensing (like Android.)
Then you should get a Mac, because the Desktop part os not deprecated there. Going forward, you will struggle even more to get new apps on Windows than you do now.
Weak sauce. You should be able to pitch me on Metro in 3 lines and include one app that is so good it is worth switching for.
I am a 20 year Mac user, but I can pitch you on iPad by showing you GarageBand or iMovie or iPhoto or Keynote. These apps also exist on the Mac for 10 years and iPad for only 1–2, yet the iPad versions are better. They take advantage of touch to such an extent that it redefined the app. GarageBand morphs into dozens of instruments, and the accelerometer enables it to capture how hard or soft you are playing. Keynote has a virtual laser pointer and you can reorder slides with fingers as you present.
In other words, I don't have to pitch you on Springboard (the iOS launcher) because the reason to get iOS is the apps. The user learns new UI on iPad but they get rewarded with a new set of touch PC apps they can draw and mask and drum on with their fingers.
So your Metro pitch sounds like being trapped on the trunk of a car.
There is no mass of consumers to adopt Windows 8 and get to know the UI. More than half of the home computers in the US are Apple-branded. The consumer is already at the point of wanting a PC with an iPhone interface, which is why iPad is so popular. Consumers only had Windows because they were told that is all there is. Nobody likes it, and everybody has memories of when Windows made them feel helpless. Then they try Apple gear and feel powerful. It's already over.
The reason Microsoft desperately wants Apple-like curated services is that is what consumers want. Apple takes a role that is part computer maker and part I-T consultant. 95% of those who try it don't give it up, that is how good it is.
Windows 95 was not innovative. While you were asking yourself how you got along without those features in 1995, users of Mac and NeXT were asking how you got along without those features in 1984 and 1988, respectively. Windows 95 even stole the NeXT window style, close buttons, and My Computer. It is pathetic to compare the screenshots.
The tablet market is the same market as the low-end PC market, where almost 100% of Windows systems sell. We are talking about users with basic computing needs and $500 to spend. In that market, iPad is #1, and it takes in as much profit in a single sale as 10 HP PC's.
Honestly, you should buy a dependable computer if you need dependability. There are writers who have been using Word for Mac since 1985, same workflow the whole way. Mac OS X is the same for 10 years, only refined. You can upgrade a system to a new OS X and not be sure it took because it looks the same. However, everything just got better all the time the whole way. Not different, but better.
Microsoft has had 10 different arch enemies over the past 10 years. They shipped a Windows that looked like Mac OS 6 (Windows 3) and a Windows that looked like NeXTSTEP (Windows 95) and a Windows that looked like OS X (Vista) and a Windows that looked like Fisher-Price. They are obviously not prioritizing the stability of workflow that you are looking for.
Even in iOS you can see stability of user experience. Today's iPhone works like 2007's iPhone, only better.
All those users already know how to use the iOS interface from their iPods, iPhones, and iPads. That is the "modern PC interface" — iOS.
iOS is 5.5 years old and the Zune/Metro interface is 3.5 years old and it is not even close. Even people who don't have iPads have learned how to use it from the commercial. Businesses are hiring young workers who don't even know the old Windows interface, never mind the new one.
iOS and Mac OS are on yearly release schedules. If Microsoft continues as they have on the past, that would mean a Windows 9 for enterprise in 2015 and a Windows 10 for consumers in 2018. There will have been 6 more iOS and 5 more Mac OS by then.
Next year's iPad will likely be a Windows 8 Killer, with quad-core CPU, dozens of GPU's, and a complete range of touch PC apps, supporting every kind of business. If there is a single thing that business likes about Windows 8, Apple can just put that in iPad 4 or iOS 7 next year. How is Microsoft going to respond to that? A Service Pack?
iPad is not a premium product, it is a low-end Mac, and it is currently massacring the low-end PC industry which is all that is left after the Intel Mac.
No other generic PC OS is needed. Generic PC's are already shrinking year-over-year. What are you going to ship the OS on, a CD/DVD? Who is going to install it? A Netflix user? OS software is going to come on an SSD built into a device going forward, updating itself over Wi-Fi.
They should simply remove head from ass and purchase the best tools for the job, rather than opening their mouths at the end of Microsoft's shit conveyer belt. Windows is not the best at anything today. Not a single thing. It is also not the cheapest at anything, because you get killed on TCO and software upgrade fees.
It is not that Microsoft feels the pressure to be innovative because of Apple. For the first time in 20 years, the best-selling low-end PC (iPad 3) does not run Windows. Further, for the first time ever, the cheapest Internet terminal (iPad 2) does not run Windows. People bought a lot of Windows solely because it was cheapest. It's not the cheapest anymore.
That is not true. Every version of Mac OS X for 10 years now was faster on the same hardware than its predecessor. Windows 8 is not even the first Windows to do that — Windows 7 shrank to match the tiny, underpowered machines that Windows ships on today now that the Mac has the whole high-end.
I understand that EFF is filled with self-righteous nerds whose purpose it is to police Nerd Dogma like a priesthood, but what if I only wanted to share my post with the community where I posted it? What if I don't want my ad read outside of my city? CL was protecting their community. WE FUCKING KNOW HOW TO POST TO FACEBOOK OR GOOGLE IF WE WANT THAT. Can't a community setup a bulletin board without being fucking raped by advertisers who are being enabled by self-righteous nerds?
It is typical Nerd Blindness: Nerd Solutions for everyone, even though that is not what everyone wants. Also, US-centric baby political thinking about how the rights of a fucking advertiser are being infringed.
EFF can have the best intentions in the world and they will still do wrong half the time because they are an insular little homogenous group of nerds with no idea about how the world really works outside a computer and no humility, so they don't even recognize that.
Start your own community and invite people to post if you want the posts shared broadly. For years, we are posting to CL expecting it to be published only on CL. Sorry, nerds, if that fucks up your $100,000 per year job coding for an advertiser, you fucking hypocrites.
Microsoft will dominate the corporate desktop for infinity. But the corporate desktop is going away, just like the landline phone. The mobile PC (iPad) replaces the PC just like the mobile phone replaces the landline phone. The landline phone is now an alternate kind of phone, and the mobile phone is the "real" phone. That is why you see the new MacBook Pro with Retina Display is designed very much for the classic Mac customer who is a creative workstation user, running video editing or audio editing or photo editing or software development all day long, every day. It's less of a PC than any of the Intel Macs. iPad is for PC users, now. The Mac is back to being a creative power tool.
If your computing needs are served by Windows XP and Microsoft Office — you go to an iPad and you are moving at least 10 years into the future. Everything you were doing is already there on iPad, in a much more sophisticated version. On battery all day, and fits in your purse. The users are going to iPad full speed. If you do the math on the sales figures and the buying cycles, you see that 2012 is to Windows as 2008 was to BlackBerry. A great year, but savor it. People still have Windows, but nobody is investing in it. It's all in maintenance mode. And every year, iPad will get measurably better and gain many more users at the expense of other $399–$829 low-end PC's, which almost all run Windows.
You just have to look at the 1995 desk, which has a desktop PC and a desktop phone, and then look at an iPad and an iPhone. They are the same thing, but just the 2015 version. The ethernet and landline from 1995 have now been replaced with wireless versions. So we need mobile versions of the desktop PC and phone to go with those wireless networks. That is iPad and iPhone. If they did not exist, we would have to invent them.
There was a time when we thought everybody would have both a mobile and a landline phone. Now, there is this idea that everybody will have a mobile PC (iPad, or something like it) and a desktop/notebook PC. No. iPad already does all the things that most PC users want. And it's so much cheaper than Windows for business. In training alone, it is saving millions. In I-T, it is saving millions.
So nobody cares about what is running on the corporate desktop. Everybody knows it will be some version of Windows. What is interesting is what is running on the corporate mobile PC. And that is iOS. That is why this article points out that Microsoft itself did not manage to create a Microsoft-centric mobile PC — they already failed at that. For some reason, many people like to start the clock at zero again when iPhone shipped, or when iPad shipped. No — those products are the end, not the beginning. Microsoft had mobile PC's for 10 years at least before iPad. They did PDA's before that for years. There was a need for mobile PC's hanging out there so long, Apple was able to complete their comeback in desktop PC's, maintain their dominance in notebook PC's, become dominant in music players and online sales, become dominant in phones, and then finally, almost 15 years after the comeback started, Apple got around to mobile PC's and they came in with a product that was half the price, half the weight, double the battery life, and exponentially easier to use and manage. Microsoft had all the parts for iPhones and iPads for many years now, but not only did not put them together — as this article reveals, they were actively breaking things apart internally and externally, attempting to prevent the next generation from even happening. So we are well into the next generation now. What does Microsoft do now? Office 24? Windows 14? Xbox 2880? It's all Rocky 5.
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Bill Gates was able to steal all he wanted from Apple because yada-yada Xerox PARC. As long as there was something kind of like it in a lab 10 years ago — COPY AWAY!
Nexus 7 and Kindle Fire are media players — iPods. iPad is a PC for only $200 more. iPad has 600,000 native C/C++ apps, including 200,000 PC apps. iPad runs iMovie and Avid video editors (the 2 leading brands,) and the best presentation client in the world.
So yes, Amazon and Google are failures in the iPod market. And everyone but Apple is a failure in the tablet PC market. iPad competes with Windows only. Nexus 7 is as much a threat to iPad as iPod touch. Yes, you can get a $200 media player if that us what you need. If you need a tablet PC, there is a $399 iPad or an $1100 Windows tablet.
This article is of the “Apple is doomed” variety. That does not match the fact that every new iOS product outsells all the previous years. There is no way to spin that as being bad for Apple.
Android is all propaganda. It's so tiresome. Most Android phones are generic feature phones with no data plan. Android went downmarket a few years ago. If a carrier has iPhone, it not only outsells all their Android, it outsells the BlackBerry and other phones combined. The fact that there is a worldwide feature phone market that ships a lot of burner phones that make almost no money does not predict the smartphone market.
Android is in the same place versus iPhone as Windows is versus the Mac. They had to go downmarket because at the high end it is all Apple. Now, iPad is crushing Windows at $400–$600, and when Apple ships their low-end/feature phone, Android is going to suffer also. Especially when the hardware makers have to pay Apple and Microsoft for the stuff Google just 1:1 copied.
Android is in trouble right now, not Apple. That is why the Android partners are switching to building their own hardware (like Apple) and Apple is not switching to OS licensing (like Android.)
Then you should get a Mac, because the Desktop part os not deprecated there. Going forward, you will struggle even more to get new apps on Windows than you do now.
Weak sauce. You should be able to pitch me on Metro in 3 lines and include one app that is so good it is worth switching for.
I am a 20 year Mac user, but I can pitch you on iPad by showing you GarageBand or iMovie or iPhoto or Keynote. These apps also exist on the Mac for 10 years and iPad for only 1–2, yet the iPad versions are better. They take advantage of touch to such an extent that it redefined the app. GarageBand morphs into dozens of instruments, and the accelerometer enables it to capture how hard or soft you are playing. Keynote has a virtual laser pointer and you can reorder slides with fingers as you present.
In other words, I don't have to pitch you on Springboard (the iOS launcher) because the reason to get iOS is the apps. The user learns new UI on iPad but they get rewarded with a new set of touch PC apps they can draw and mask and drum on with their fingers.
So your Metro pitch sounds like being trapped on the trunk of a car.
There is no mass of consumers to adopt Windows 8 and get to know the UI. More than half of the home computers in the US are Apple-branded. The consumer is already at the point of wanting a PC with an iPhone interface, which is why iPad is so popular. Consumers only had Windows because they were told that is all there is. Nobody likes it, and everybody has memories of when Windows made them feel helpless. Then they try Apple gear and feel powerful. It's already over.
Yes, but you can demo it while wearing a turtleneck and it doesn't feel so bad that you work in Washington.
The reason Microsoft desperately wants Apple-like curated services is that is what consumers want. Apple takes a role that is part computer maker and part I-T consultant. 95% of those who try it don't give it up, that is how good it is.
So you don't mind the viruses and the lack of color correction and Unix compatibility, it's the enhanced Start screen that was just too much for you?
Windows 95 was not innovative. While you were asking yourself how you got along without those features in 1995, users of Mac and NeXT were asking how you got along without those features in 1984 and 1988, respectively. Windows 95 even stole the NeXT window style, close buttons, and My Computer. It is pathetic to compare the screenshots.
The tablet market is the same market as the low-end PC market, where almost 100% of Windows systems sell. We are talking about users with basic computing needs and $500 to spend. In that market, iPad is #1, and it takes in as much profit in a single sale as 10 HP PC's.
Honestly, you should buy a dependable computer if you need dependability. There are writers who have been using Word for Mac since 1985, same workflow the whole way. Mac OS X is the same for 10 years, only refined. You can upgrade a system to a new OS X and not be sure it took because it looks the same. However, everything just got better all the time the whole way. Not different, but better.
Microsoft has had 10 different arch enemies over the past 10 years. They shipped a Windows that looked like Mac OS 6 (Windows 3) and a Windows that looked like NeXTSTEP (Windows 95) and a Windows that looked like OS X (Vista) and a Windows that looked like Fisher-Price. They are obviously not prioritizing the stability of workflow that you are looking for.
Even in iOS you can see stability of user experience. Today's iPhone works like 2007's iPhone, only better.
The 4% includes Windows Mobile, which is still used by more people than Windows Phone.
All those users already know how to use the iOS interface from their iPods, iPhones, and iPads. That is the "modern PC interface" — iOS.
iOS is 5.5 years old and the Zune/Metro interface is 3.5 years old and it is not even close. Even people who don't have iPads have learned how to use it from the commercial. Businesses are hiring young workers who don't even know the old Windows interface, never mind the new one.
iOS and Mac OS are on yearly release schedules. If Microsoft continues as they have on the past, that would mean a Windows 9 for enterprise in 2015 and a Windows 10 for consumers in 2018. There will have been 6 more iOS and 5 more Mac OS by then.
Next year's iPad will likely be a Windows 8 Killer, with quad-core CPU, dozens of GPU's, and a complete range of touch PC apps, supporting every kind of business. If there is a single thing that business likes about Windows 8, Apple can just put that in iPad 4 or iOS 7 next year. How is Microsoft going to respond to that? A Service Pack?
iPad is not a premium product, it is a low-end Mac, and it is currently massacring the low-end PC industry which is all that is left after the Intel Mac.
No other generic PC OS is needed. Generic PC's are already shrinking year-over-year. What are you going to ship the OS on, a CD/DVD? Who is going to install it? A Netflix user? OS software is going to come on an SSD built into a device going forward, updating itself over Wi-Fi.
They should simply remove head from ass and purchase the best tools for the job, rather than opening their mouths at the end of Microsoft's shit conveyer belt. Windows is not the best at anything today. Not a single thing. It is also not the cheapest at anything, because you get killed on TCO and software upgrade fees.
It is not that Microsoft feels the pressure to be innovative because of Apple. For the first time in 20 years, the best-selling low-end PC (iPad 3) does not run Windows. Further, for the first time ever, the cheapest Internet terminal (iPad 2) does not run Windows. People bought a lot of Windows solely because it was cheapest. It's not the cheapest anymore.
You missed:
- Longhorn (very, very bad)
The idea that there will be a Windows 9 is optimistic on your part.
That is not true. Every version of Mac OS X for 10 years now was faster on the same hardware than its predecessor. Windows 8 is not even the first Windows to do that — Windows 7 shrank to match the tiny, underpowered machines that Windows ships on today now that the Mac has the whole high-end.
That style of Task Manager has been available on the Mac for over 10 years, and even with all the Mac switchers — nobody switched for that.
Windows-after-8 is called iPad.
I understand that EFF is filled with self-righteous nerds whose purpose it is to police Nerd Dogma like a priesthood, but what if I only wanted to share my post with the community where I posted it? What if I don't want my ad read outside of my city? CL was protecting their community. WE FUCKING KNOW HOW TO POST TO FACEBOOK OR GOOGLE IF WE WANT THAT. Can't a community setup a bulletin board without being fucking raped by advertisers who are being enabled by self-righteous nerds?
It is typical Nerd Blindness: Nerd Solutions for everyone, even though that is not what everyone wants. Also, US-centric baby political thinking about how the rights of a fucking advertiser are being infringed.
EFF can have the best intentions in the world and they will still do wrong half the time because they are an insular little homogenous group of nerds with no idea about how the world really works outside a computer and no humility, so they don't even recognize that.
Start your own community and invite people to post if you want the posts shared broadly. For years, we are posting to CL expecting it to be published only on CL. Sorry, nerds, if that fucks up your $100,000 per year job coding for an advertiser, you fucking hypocrites.
Microsoft will dominate the corporate desktop for infinity. But the corporate desktop is going away, just like the landline phone. The mobile PC (iPad) replaces the PC just like the mobile phone replaces the landline phone. The landline phone is now an alternate kind of phone, and the mobile phone is the "real" phone. That is why you see the new MacBook Pro with Retina Display is designed very much for the classic Mac customer who is a creative workstation user, running video editing or audio editing or photo editing or software development all day long, every day. It's less of a PC than any of the Intel Macs. iPad is for PC users, now. The Mac is back to being a creative power tool.
If your computing needs are served by Windows XP and Microsoft Office — you go to an iPad and you are moving at least 10 years into the future. Everything you were doing is already there on iPad, in a much more sophisticated version. On battery all day, and fits in your purse. The users are going to iPad full speed. If you do the math on the sales figures and the buying cycles, you see that 2012 is to Windows as 2008 was to BlackBerry. A great year, but savor it. People still have Windows, but nobody is investing in it. It's all in maintenance mode. And every year, iPad will get measurably better and gain many more users at the expense of other $399–$829 low-end PC's, which almost all run Windows.
You just have to look at the 1995 desk, which has a desktop PC and a desktop phone, and then look at an iPad and an iPhone. They are the same thing, but just the 2015 version. The ethernet and landline from 1995 have now been replaced with wireless versions. So we need mobile versions of the desktop PC and phone to go with those wireless networks. That is iPad and iPhone. If they did not exist, we would have to invent them.
There was a time when we thought everybody would have both a mobile and a landline phone. Now, there is this idea that everybody will have a mobile PC (iPad, or something like it) and a desktop/notebook PC. No. iPad already does all the things that most PC users want. And it's so much cheaper than Windows for business. In training alone, it is saving millions. In I-T, it is saving millions.
So nobody cares about what is running on the corporate desktop. Everybody knows it will be some version of Windows. What is interesting is what is running on the corporate mobile PC. And that is iOS. That is why this article points out that Microsoft itself did not manage to create a Microsoft-centric mobile PC — they already failed at that. For some reason, many people like to start the clock at zero again when iPhone shipped, or when iPad shipped. No — those products are the end, not the beginning. Microsoft had mobile PC's for 10 years at least before iPad. They did PDA's before that for years. There was a need for mobile PC's hanging out there so long, Apple was able to complete their comeback in desktop PC's, maintain their dominance in notebook PC's, become dominant in music players and online sales, become dominant in phones, and then finally, almost 15 years after the comeback started, Apple got around to mobile PC's and they came in with a product that was half the price, half the weight, double the battery life, and exponentially easier to use and manage. Microsoft had all the parts for iPhones and iPads for many years now, but not only did not put them together — as this article reveals, they were actively breaking things apart internally and externally, attempting to prevent the next generation from even happening. So we are well into the next generation now. What does Microsoft do now? Office 24? Windows 14? Xbox 2880? It's all Rocky 5.