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Microsoft's Lost Decade

Kurt Eichenwald has written a lengthy article about Microsoft's slow decline over the past 10 years, cataloging their missteps and showing how consistent, poor decision-making from management crippled the tech titan in several important industries. "By the dawn of the millennium, the hallways at Microsoft were no longer home to barefoot programmers in Hawaiian shirts working through nights and weekends toward a common goal of excellence; instead, life behind the thick corporate walls had become staid and brutish. Fiefdoms had taken root, and a mastery of internal politics emerged as key to career success. In those years Microsoft had stepped up its efforts to cripple competitors, but—because of a series of astonishingly foolish management decisions—the competitors being crippled were often co-workers at Microsoft, instead of other companies. Staffers were rewarded not just for doing well but for making sure that their colleagues failed. As a result, the company was consumed by an endless series of internal knife fights. Potential market-busting businesses—such as e-book and smartphone technology—were killed, derailed, or delayed amid bickering and power plays. That is the portrait of Microsoft depicted in interviews with dozens of current and former executives, as well as in thousands of pages of internal documents and legal records." We discussed a teaser for this piece earlier in the month — the full article has all the unpleasant details.

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  1. Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    This story is so stupid it's not worth reading.

    1. Re:Terrible article by medcalf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It did a pretty good job of laying out why MS has failed to keep up with the leading edge of the industry, and why they will need radical cultural change to ever catch up. In particular, the article avoided overblown hystrionics, for example not claiming MS is dead, but pointing out that MS has become like IBM in how it operates.

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    2. Re:Terrible article by Grave · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I stopped reading partway through - it read like a hit piece. Let's go ahead and ignore the success of Windows 7, XBOX 360, Office, SharePoint, Lync, etc just to make an outrageous claim in order to sell magazines. Is the internal culture of Microsoft bad? Maybe..but they're still churning out good software, and with the exception of a one-time write-down from a failed acquisition, they are still one of the most consistently profitable companies in the world. Like all large companies, they have had product failures, but if you're going to ignore the wins, why bother even writing the article?

    3. Re:Terrible article by Dogtanian · · Score: 4, Informative

      It did a pretty good job of laying out why MS has failed to keep up with the leading edge of the industry, and why they will need radical cultural change to ever catch up. In particular, the article avoided overblown hystrionics, for example not claiming MS is dead, but pointing out that MS has become like IBM in how it operates.

      I haven't had time to read the whole article yet. However, if the summary is accurate (ha ha), it's certainly not the first time that MS's internal politicking and entrenched interests since the late 90s have been pinpointed as a major obstacle to innovation and their continued success in a changing market.

      Some time back I commented on (and cherry-picked) a similar article, which wasn't new even then- it dated back to early 2010. Still very informative though.

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    4. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You cant seriously call Xbox a success without using a fair bit of progressive counting. To date XBOX still a bit to go before all the investments are returned. And its still not anywhere near a market leader position. This while it has eaten up much of the PC gaming space, cannibalizing another MS business end.

      Windows 7 is by no means a success since total share of Windows has fallen since its introduction, not risen. Only reason its a success is because of the monopoly. Without it, W7 would have failed utterly. Just look at how "well" WP7 is doing for reference of how things work out for MS without their monopoly benefits.

      Sharepoint a success? Where? And Lync a success, in what reality? Outside the "Microsoft or nothing" sphere nobody knows about it even. And therein lies the real problem, the "MS or nothing" sphere is shrinking fast.

      Microsofts only products they manage to make money off of is Office and Windows thanks to their monopoly. Everything else is complete and utter failure.

    5. Re:Terrible article by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Windows and office are just the extensions of successes that date back to the 90s and before.

      Sharepoint? Not much to write home about.

      XBox is more interesting but still mainly something that leverages Microsoft's platform dominance with MS-DOS and derivatives.

      So all in all you've basically got what boils down to MS-DOS and friends. Microsoft can only coast on that so long.

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    6. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not a hit piece. It's just that Microsoft is not 'leader of the pack' anymore.
      Microsoft is the new IBM.
      And IBM is still profitable isn't it?

      Btw, were are those 'outrageous' claims made in the article? It states that Microsoft is still making a reasonable profit, doesn't it?

    7. Re:Terrible article by jgrahn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sharepoint? Not much to write home about.

      I wouldn't say that. It *does* have that traditional Microsoft "catastrophically bad and yet my boss bought it" feel. Their OS and even things like Exchange kind of work nowadays.

    8. Re:Terrible article by M1FCJ · · Score: 2

      The only thing about Windows 7 that can be counted as success is, it is not Vista.

    9. Re:Terrible article by jbolden · · Score: 5, Informative

      Microsoft's server revenue was $4.5b last quarter growing at 14% year over year. Yes sharepoint, SQL Server, Dynamics... are something to write home about.

    10. Re:Terrible article by Eirenarch · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So Xbox is not a success? Look at the state of the competition!

    11. Re:Terrible article by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      true, but sharepoint is a success (got help us all) in corporates that run Office everywhere, suddenly they have this totally crap bit of 'office on the intranet' that can be used to store documents and the like (and, if you're willing to spend the time, add crappy forms for stuff like expense reports and meetings).

      So it is a success from a business and Microsoft-lockin PoV, But it is a nightmare in all other respects.

      and I understand Lync is becoming a success simply because its an 'internal network' chat client, so the boss can read what you've been saying as it seamlessly integrates with Outlook and sharepoint and all that guff.

      There are still a lot of people who use this crap, so it still has to be considered even though it is shrinking, slowly.

    12. Re:Terrible article by Eirenarch · · Score: 2

      My favourite part is how he states that iPhone brings in more revenue than all of MS's business as if this is not true for any other tech company out there. The fact that Apple are so successful does not mean that MS failed so badly and definitely does not mean that they are worse than everyone else in the industry. While Apple is obviously on top I wouldn't say that MS failed compared to Google or Facebook.

    13. Re:Terrible article by mmcxii · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This while it has eaten up much of the PC gaming space, cannibalizing another MS business end.

      Aside from the OS a machine runs, MS has precious little at stake when it comes to PC gaming. And I don't know of a single Xbox user who isn't using Windows and every one of them own PCs. MS lost nothing to the gaming crowd with the Xbox.

    14. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Xbox lost $4 billion and came in a distant seccond.
      The Xbox 360 has lost $3 billion, after a few quarters in the black the division is now in the red again, and the 360 is currently tied for second.

      That's not what any rational person would call success.

    15. Re:Terrible article by Teresita · · Score: 1

      XP wasn't Vista either. Why didn't they just push out SP4? Oh, right. Money. The answer to any question that begins with "Why" is "Money".

    16. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Success how? How many shops actually use enough of sharepoint to have to pay? It is currently "free" for what is an astronomical amount of documents for most small to medium businesses. Is it useful for doing anything at all outside of the OS and Office monopoly that it depends on? No? Epic Fail.

    17. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But they failed to innovate with phones. They had a huge market that is now zero, Kin was a joke, buying Nokia hasn't helped at all.

      The Xbox is loosing money

      They have never made money on line

      AQuatative as making a pile of cash before MS killed it, they really could have rivalled googles ads with that, but didn't have a clue how to popularise it along with BIng.

      They're cruising along on Windows and Office and they're cruising in de'nile! Badum Tish!

    18. Re:Terrible article by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What idiot modded this troll? It was right on point.

      Windows and Office are cash cows, yes, but other than Ballmer's incompetence they're the biggest part of the problem-- everyone at Microsoft is afraid of doing something that might threaten Windows or Office. That's why Microsoft spent years trying to stuff bloated desktop Windows into tablets and phones-- and why they were made to like complete asses by Apple.

      And XBox? Pfft. They bought their way into the video game market, plain and simple. IIRC they haven't yet reached the break-even point because of the billions they pissed away at the start. XBox is the last time you'll ever see them be able to pull that move, too. No more showing up late with a mediocre product and coming out on top only because they can outspend their competitors.

      And Sharepoint is just another product designed to increase corporate IT inertia and maintain Windows' dominance on enterprise desktops.

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    19. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favourite part is how he states that iPhone brings in more revenue than all of MS's business as if this is not true for any other tech company out there. The fact that Apple are so successful does not mean that MS failed so badly and definitely does not mean that they are worse than everyone else in the industry. While Apple is obviously on top I wouldn't say that MS failed compared to Google or Facebook.

      The point being made is that, given the position Microsoft was in earlier on, it should be MICROSOFT making all that obscenely wonderful profit and coming out with all the wonderful toys. It blew it, badly.

      In many ways, it's what happened to Apple before Jobs came back: Sales and business types take over the reins from visionary founder and slowly turn things into SalespitchPlus and BureacracyLand, along with suppression of any really distruptive creativity or innovation for being dangerous unknowns, as that's all they know how to do.

    20. Re:Terrible article by JMJimmy · · Score: 2

      Xbox has been a huge success. 67 million units sold, 19 million kinects, Microsoft Games is highly profitable; enough so to offset the losses from Windows Phone 7 in their entertainment division. All that aside, Xbox is a huge success for one simple reason: They broke the console sales trend. In all previous consoles by year 4 sales begin to decline, sharply. The 360 is the first that accelerated sales (rather dramatically) in year 5.

    21. Re:Terrible article by musicalmicah · · Score: 2

      Exactly. The X-Box, like practically every other Microsoft product, is an all-or-nothing strategy to corner a market, THEN turn a profit. Only Windows and Office have succeeded at this.

    22. Re:Terrible article by tedgyz · · Score: 2

      ... for example not claiming MS is dead, but pointing out that MS has become like IBM in how it operates.

      Heh - I was just telling my brother who works at Microsoft that they are the new IBM. I sort of meant it as a compliment. Big companies can rarely continue innovating and winning in new spaces, so you might as well hunker down in the trenches and set yourself up for the long haul.

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    23. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Vista set the bar particularly low.

    24. Re:Terrible article by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Considering how much money Microsoft has poured in to the XBox, can you really call it a success? They bought market position, to be sure, but that investment has yet to pay for itself.

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    25. Re:Terrible article by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Until you look at how much Microsoft has spent.

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    26. Re:Terrible article by Junta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While xbox is a household name, profit wise it isn't stellar. It also has had an interesting effect of moving the attention of Windows game developers onto consoles. The problem being this actually seems to weaken MS lockin, migrating userbase from a mindset where microsoft unquestionably dominates the market to one where MS is just one of three big names. While this in the short term has boosted MS offering in the market, it also has made these studios get over their desktop fixation and get accustomed to supporting Sony and to some extent nintendo.

      So far, not critical, but it does potentially pave the way for the big game companies to completely torpedo the desktop and xbox gaming market. At the same time as getting developers in the mindset of multi-platform support, it starts pushing it's first-party app store as well as a bizarre model for desktop usage. Between the improved view on multiplatform development and threatening digital distribution channels that particularly valve has become accustomed to it, they are paving the way for a company like Valve to completely undermine MS' desktop and console gaming market.

      There are a large number of factors external to MS facilitating this scenario, but MS strategy has done it's part to explicitly fuel thisto some extent.

      A very real scenario seems to be:
      MS effectively forfeits the desktop market due to lack of interest on their part. It's a boring market where they cannot grow and today's business philosophy seems to dismiss sustainability without exponential growth (growth is always indicated as a percentage, the raw dollar values are de-emphasized). Companies are still using XP by and large, which might have been ok except MS is simultaneously pushing the market to develop software that doesn't work with XP, so XP usage might be characeterized as 'limping along' with increased difficulty over time. Between OSX and Linux (though the 'front and center' Linux DEs have also lost their way), some enterprises are seeing viable MS alternatives. On the homefront, erosion comes more easily, mostly at the hands of IOS, Android, and to a lesser extent OSX and Linux, share-wise (consumer desktop/laptop market is increasingly driven by 'enthusiasts' as the casual user base moves on to tablets and phones).

      Casual game development on Android paves the way to support Ouya on the low end (XBLA competitor) and on the high end, Valve makes a go of it with a game console, a stronger, diverse name in gaming and digital distribution of games than MS. I see this as highly disruptive to Sony, Nintendo, and MS, but I don't think Valve would've had such an easy time of it if MS hadn't paved the way with xBox.

      Phone/tablet is easy enough to see. MS has no appreciable share. To those saying 'but WP7 users always rave about it', that would be a natural consequence of a small user base. The only people there are naturally going to be fanboys. Just like WebOS had exceedingly high satisfaction among its very small userbase (I liked WebOS, but it really lacked a lot). IOS and Android seem to be carving up the market handily.

      Basically, MS is screwed. They are trying to compete with google using Bing to dubious result. They are pushing Azure to comete with EC2 and are diluting their vision because it just isn't working. They are throwing their desktop market (the only market they securely held) under the bus to try to prop up metro which has been a market failure on phones today.

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    27. Re:Terrible article by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I think when Paul Allen cashed out that hurt MS. In many ways I feel that of the 3 that started Microsoft he was the best. Ballmer is in my opinion a major negative and the cultural problems at Microsoft stem from his leadership.

    28. Re:Terrible article by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I believe the main reason for the popularity of X-Box is the insanity at Sony. Once Sega dropped out of the market it's like Sony forgot how to compete.

    29. Re:Terrible article by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually a lot of people used to run Windows just to play games. A huge number. Most of those are now using consoles instead. Many of these now use no computer at all but a tablet or phone for what internet usage they have. I've had little problem moving people to Linux since when I ask them if they use the computer for gaming they almost always reply that they have a Wii or X-Box or Playstation for that (in some cases all three!)

    30. Re:Terrible article by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      His point is that MS didn't enter the console market to make money in the short term but to take it over and then bend their customers over once they have a monopoly......just like their OS business. Thus in their view things are looking good.

    31. Re:Terrible article by jd2112 · · Score: 2

      Sharepoint is a success, it locks you into IE, Windows desktop, Windows server, IIS, SQL server, Exchange, Office, and probably a few products I have forgotten about.

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    32. Re:Terrible article by Grave · · Score: 1

      Perhaps not, but Sony and Nintendo are both losing money right now as well. Console gaming is in a curious position at this point.

      Still, I would say that building the brand is incredibly important, and that if they had allowed Sony to dominate the living room, it could have opened the door for significant inroads against the PC in the home.

    33. Re:Terrible article by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2

      Will they now share the IBM motto "Where technology goes to die"?

    34. Re:Terrible article by gl4ss · · Score: 2

      counting on next generation to be the generation to bring the money in by truckloads is progressive counting..

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    35. Re:Terrible article by JBv · · Score: 1

      The MS or nothing is shrinking even faster than that with all the android and ios in the executives pockets demanding equal rights to company resources.

    36. Re:Terrible article by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      The success of the xbox? Wii raced right pasted it and the despite launching a year later and a boat load of bad PR the PS3 has caught up to it by a few million. So it's effectively tied for last place with the PS3 and way behind the Wii.

      It did well enough but I wouldn't call it a great sucess. It's not that popular outside of North America so if America turns its back on the next xbox it's pretty much dead.

    37. Re:Terrible article by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 2

      The state of the competition is both the Wii (and DS) sold a fuckton more than the 360 and the PS3 is only like 3 million units behind it and that's after launching 1 year later, a significantly more expensive system, and a bunch of bad PR. A lot of people just don't want to be part of the xbox experience because it's expensive and offers nothing new.

    38. Re:Terrible article by tsa · · Score: 1

      Yes they have. Every new product that is not office or a desktop OS that they released has failed miserably. That sure is failing to me.

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    39. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      to like complete asses by Apple.

      Great phrase. Thank you.

    40. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Xbox is loosing money

      Where it was tight before, it is wise to loosen unless you want to tighten elsewhere.

    41. Re:Terrible article by maugle · · Score: 2, Funny

      A lot of people just don't want to be part of the xbox experience because it's expensive and offers nothing new.

      Funny thing. After all these years, I was finally considering buying an XBox 360, because the indie games sounded appealing. Then I sat down with one for the first time in a while and experienced their new UI for the first time. Utterly disastrous. Where the hell did all the GAMES go, and how do I navigate past all the ads to get to them?!

      So, yeah, I won't be buying a 360, ever.

    42. Re:Terrible article by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's original strategy with the xbox was to make it an extension of the PC and the APIs that Microsoft already had in place there because of it's dominant position.

      Citing "xbox 360" seems like an obvious attempt to gloss over all of that.

      The first xbox was basically a PC.

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    43. Re:Terrible article by Swampash · · Score: 0

      Xbox has lost MS between 8 billion and 20 billion depending on how critically you crunch the numbers. By any sane measurement Xbox is one of the biggest failures in the history of consumer technology.

    44. Re:Terrible article by ninjacut · · Score: 1

      Check the enterprises spend on Microsoft, that will show how Windows 7, Exchange, Sharepoint, Office, Lync are a success. They earn tons of money, so able to run longer in loss making divisions like Xbox or Live services. We do IT services for large organizations, and Microsoft still retains healthy share in IT spending. It is good that competition is challenging them, thats the only thing that makes them bring innovation. On your point of losing share in Windows, when you are at top only way is down. Talking about WP7, its share seems to be the same level as Linux on desktops right? And just as Linux, people who use it just love it (96% of actual users lover WP7, probably just as Linux on desktop). So the organization challenges, it is a typical trend. When the size is small, the politics is less but eventually they all get messed up like IBM. Every large organization ends up in politics, unless its controlled by single person like Steve Jobs.

    45. Re:Terrible article by ninjacut · · Score: 1

      Xbox is not cannibalizing Windows, you are correct. Some games/simulator only works with Windows and probably continue to do so. Every home seems to have Windows, very few have 100% Apple or Linux environments.

    46. Re:Terrible article by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      Well IBM is still going very strong in Ai though, Microsoft hasn't been cutting edge since NT (ok, winPhone7 was nice for a bit but that's it).

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    47. Re:Terrible article by ninjacut · · Score: 1

      So 700 million copies and growing is not a success? Then how do you define success?

    48. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the bean counter way of looking at it, and IIRC the article says that's one of the problems at Microsoft.

      What you should ask yourself is, will Microsoft ever make money from this? Is the direction the Xbox heading going to make them lots of money, and will the Xbox team be able to pull it off?

      To me there's a chance that they might succeed with the Xbox - it doesn't seem as crap as their other "new" products. Apple might enter the market of course (they already have the casual gaming market).

      Their "stack" stupidity is the main thing that is hurting them. You don't fire people based on a simple algorithm like that. And if you really did you should fire Ballmer - since of his team, he's clearly the under-performer.

      Let the bosses decide which of their subordinates is underperforming enough to get rid of. Sometimes underperformers are still useful enough to the team to keep around (at least till you finally get a better replacement). Let managers manage. And why do they need so many frigging managers if they are just going use some stupid algorithm?

    49. Re:Terrible article by calidoscope · · Score: 0

      I've wondered the same as well. In the late 70's and early 80's, MS was actively supporting multiple computing platforms and weren't showing the arrogance of DRI. On the other hand, they shafted SCP twice in that time, first with the language card for the Apple II and secondly with 86-DOS.

      Paul Allen's cashing out also took place about the time that work started on Windows 1.0 and not too long after Ballmer joined Microsoft.

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    50. Re:Terrible article by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      AFAIK windows was never sold at an impartially distinguishable loss. MS DOS had made it into practically any PC in the 80s (which came to be the norm by the brilliant sale to IBM who payed them 5$/PC to equip every one of the machines they manufactured with a DOS os which they had bought for around 75k) which meant the GUI oriented next gen OS from Microsoft had had it's share cut before the first line of code.

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    51. Re:Terrible article by justforgetme · · Score: 1

      I second that.
      After Sony made their 2nd hit console with the PS2 (IIRC the most successful console in history) they lost drive and determination and became just a bureaucracy temple. They managed to bring out a (IMO) legendary console but have missed the point by letting a lot of exclusivity slip, not keeping their word about reverse compatibility, raising the barrier to entry for indies and having a very complicated HW architecture..

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    52. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The X-Box, like practically every other Microsoft product, is an all-or-nothing strategy to corner a market

      The problem with that is that gamers are a fickle bunch. There is a generational turn around; all the big players in the industry have spent time on the top and the bottom.

    53. Re:Terrible article by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's domination on corporate desktops is not going away any time soon, despite the idiots on here who think everything can be run in a browser these days.

    54. Re:Terrible article by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      If it was just the XBox you could see it, but Microsoft has blown a lot of money trying to buy market share in the web portal/search game (how many iterations of MSN are we up to now) and the mobile business. Having deep pockets and the will to outspend your competitors doesn't guarantee success. If it did, everyone would be talking on Windows Mobile phones as they searched with Live/Bing.

      The fact of the matter is that Microsoft's vast fortunes were built on its OEM sales to PC endors and corporate Exchange-Office volume licensing. Virtually nothing else they do makes money.

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    55. Re:Terrible article by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      You think they wouldn't have sold as many copies of XP as they have Windows 7 if they hadn't bothered to release a new version of Windows?

      It's not people go out to the store and say 'oh, a new versions of Windows, I'll have that', they buy PCs and use whatever version of Windows comes with them. They would still be buying Windows 98 if XP hadn't come along.

    56. Re:Terrible article by Mabhatter · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You have to weigh how the main MS cash cows are pulling in the $$$.

      The Windows/server division is 80% wholesale margin. Office/automation is 80% margin. A product that is "only" in the black is an abject waste of resources unless it is going to position the company for another 10 years. Xbox is probably a Win! because they gained a good position. But the company can't SURVIVE on Xbox division profits with the way they are burning cash.

      In comparison, Apple priced iPhone, and iPad from DAY ONE at price points where they would make their investments back if the product had even mild success. Apple doesn't enter a market unless they can figure out how they will get their money back.

      Microsoft is still banging the drum of everything for free, until they can figure out where the money is at and corner those companies into big up front payments.

      The whole problem is that Wall Street really doesn't reward companies that cash out that 80% margin to INVESTORS. Investors would rather see the company attempt to corner another market than take the cash in hand. That leads to Microsoft's managemt chasing every shiny car down the street, badly.

    57. Re:Terrible article by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      Well by not being put in the same group as MS Bob and MS ME and universally hated. I think that would be a good way.

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    58. Re:Terrible article by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      With the exception of halo. Because halo is awesome. But they bought bungi an apple software company to get it.

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    59. Re:Terrible article by Mabhatter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Xbox is clearly winning on PLAY VALUE right now. While everybody HAS a Wii and it made Nintendo bank because they positioned it to be per-unit profitable, many homes have multiple Xbox 360s and have replaced them how many times? From profitability, it's abject failure because MS is having to sell homes MULTIPLE loss leader units. But from mindshare, Xbox 360 is what all the kids have and share with their friends, at least in the high school college group it's the default (if mommy and daddy aren't paying)

    60. Re:Terrible article by citizenr · · Score: 1

      Well IBM is still going very strong in Ai though, Microsoft hasn't been cutting edge since NT (ok, winPhone7 was nice for a bit but that's it).

      Microsoft hires SHITTON of very smart AI/ML people (often snatching them even before they finish uni). They just dont know how/have no intention of using them for something that would sell.

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    61. Re:Terrible article by Mabhatter · · Score: 2

      Those are 80% margin... Where is all that money GOING? They should have had enough cash on hand to easily write down that $6b loss and had profit to spare.

      People are starting to realize Microsoft is not MANAGED very well. Sure, they have buckets of money, but when you add up the metrics they are PISSING AWAY almost 50% of their GROSS margin on money-losing units. They have carefully shuffled their divisions so they each make 10-15% yearly but looking at even the public books they are hiding MASSIVE bleeding losses.

      Add to that, that have run the CULTURE of the company into the ground. Micromanaging each unit under extreme "Decimation" principles. They are just coasting on their name to fill the mill with new grads. Average programmers with experience and some respect for themselves wont work there anymore. Their culture has more uncommon with game companies than Professional Business organizations they are trying to sell to.

    62. Re:Terrible article by Mabhatter · · Score: 2

      Um, they STOPPED SELLING any alternatives? Any product can be a best seller when you just stop selling the others. That's a move right out of the *aa play book.

      Said product is 80% PROFIT. Where's all that bacon? It also took SEVEN YEARS to properly replace their flagship product with something consumers actually would buy. SEVEN YEARS milking a cash cow! The issue is NOT the raw numbers, but how they went SO LONG without improving themselves.

    63. Re:Terrible article by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2

      Here's how the X-Box got fucked up -- Microsoft had this glorious Direct X, including 3D, for Windows.

      "Hey! Let's build a console that uses it. Then PC game makers can push a button and basically generate binaries for it [b]and[/b] the PC!" Instant titles, titles, titles! That's what kills consoles, lack of titles!

      And...nobody on the PC wants to play, on the PC, console-style titles. Just ask the Duke Nukem Forever or DC Universe Online devs.

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    64. Re:Terrible article by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Even as I formulate this thought I know I will get downmodded, but it's reminiscent of the government-Internet vs. private enterprise thing.

      Microsoft can, or could anyway (see Google's $50 billion and Apple's $100 billion in cash) just force something into existence and keep it's heart beating by brute force, long after other, smaller inventors and investors would have given up.

      So, too, with government and the early Internet, or NASA for that matter. For the former, they kept it's heart alive for 20 years before industry found a real use for it. Valuable service? Vital service?

      How's it lookin' when a private corporation hemorrhages cash for years doing the same thing? Valuable? Vital to anything?

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    65. Re:Terrible article by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      While xbox is a household name, profit wise it isn't stellar. It also has had an interesting effect of moving the attention of Windows game developers onto consoles.

      Agreed, the success of Xbox has come at the expense of devaluing Microsoft's main product; a high-end Windows PC.

      I also question the real value of Xbox as a "household name". There's millions of satisfied Xbox customers, virtually none of whom bought a Zune or a Windows Phone or any other MS consumer initiative. Despite all the Xboxes hooked-up to TV screens, Microsoft's entire media center strategy has been a disaster, especially compared to Apple's. Do gamers even care about the Microsoft brand-name here, or is it just the cheapest way to play Call of Duty?

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    66. Re:Terrible article by Sir_Sri · · Score: 1

      Big companies can rarely continue innovating and winning in new spaces

      once you get big it's more about recognizing innovation, and buying it (which is what IBM does a lot of) rather than leading the innovation yourself. That's probably why MS had a small stake in facebook and has a fairly large research arm. You need to know where the innovations are happening to be able to capitalize on them, and occasionally you might discover something useful on your own.

      Failing that, you can always just copy other peoples innovation, and as long as you have the cash to support it you can get to market before they can, or more polished, or combined with other tech they can't afford and so on. I suspect this is why Apple has such a strong culture of secrecy; they don't want MS (and Google) to know quite what they're up to until after they've done it. MS on the other hand can't really hide anything major because they rely on all of their downstream partners for so much.

    67. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know anyone who uses Windows, but everyone I know has an XBox 360. Guess it depends on your demographic. Not to say the XBox stole sales from Windows necessarily.

    68. Re:Terrible article by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      While xbox is a household name, profit wise it isn't stellar. It also has had an interesting effect of moving the attention of Windows game developers onto consoles. The problem being this actually seems to weaken MS lockin, migrating userbase from a mindset where microsoft unquestionably dominates the market to one where MS is just one of three big names. While this in the short term has boosted MS offering in the market, it also has made these studios get over their desktop fixation and get accustomed to supporting Sony and to some extent nintendo.

      But even if Microsoft doesn't develop Xbox, Sony and Nintendo would produce consoles, so the studios would still produce console games.

    69. Re:Terrible article by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Glad someone pointed it out. Xbox has been a disaster of unmitigated proportions.

    70. Re:Terrible article by Nyder · · Score: 1

      I stopped reading partway through - it read like a hit piece. Let's go ahead and ignore the success of Windows 7, XBOX 360, Office, SharePoint, Lync, etc just to make an outrageous claim in order to sell magazines. Is the internal culture of Microsoft bad? Maybe..but they're still churning out good software, and with the exception of a one-time write-down from a failed acquisition, they are still one of the most consistently profitable companies in the world. Like all large companies, they have had product failures, but if you're going to ignore the wins, why bother even writing the article?

      Maybe you should of read the article, then you wouldn't come off looking so stupid.

      And weird, how someone with your low ID would only shrill for MS's recent accomplishments (if you want to call them that), and then ignore the facts.

      Windows 7 is a decent OS, but they've already dumped it for Windows 8, which they are betting the farm on, with Windows 8, and of course, the Xbox 8. And speaking of Xbox, success story? Sort of.

      First MS took a loss on the hardware sold. Then they took it up the butt because the hardware was failing. So, finally, 4 years after they introduced the Xbox 360, they got a version that doesn't overheat. Not sure where you are from, but I do NOT call that a success. No other console had to go thru so many updates to fix hardware problems, most consoles go thru hardware updates to make them cheaper and smaller.

      Xbox Live is where MS makes their money, and in that, they have been successful. Except lately it's become very ad centric, so lets see how that goes.

      But since you are too stupid to read the article (maybe because you are so old and need new glasses?), you would of seen it was about how MS has fucked up and lost the lead and innovation they once had. The article isn't about their successes, but namely, what they did wrong.

      Just like you did wrong, by not reading the article and deciding to post.

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    71. Re:Terrible article by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Seriously? Most (if not all) the AAA games we get now on PC are ports from consoles anyway. Guess which port we always end up getting it from? The 360 codebase, of course.

      I wonder if game companies would even bother releasing cross platform games on PC anymore had the architecture not been so easy to switch between. They pretty much have a seething disdain for the PC market these days.

    72. Re:Terrible article by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      If anyone other than Apple priced their products the way Apple does in this industry, I have my doubts anyone but the curious few would be buying. Apple can get away with that pricing because they have a huge cultural following to back them up. With Steve gone after having been so intimately involved with pretty much everything Apple does, I'm genuinely curious how long that's going to last.

    73. Re:Terrible article by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Well for 2011 your 80% is right

      Took in $70b
      $15.5b expense labor (I'm assuming consulting, help desk, implementation....)

      They spent additionally:
      $9b R&D
      $14b sales and marketing
      $4.2b admin
      $5b taxes

      leaving $23b in profits

    74. Re:Terrible article by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      About Windows 7 ...

      3 years after Windows 7 went RC it should own 80% of the market or more. Not barely hitting 50% according to g.statcounter.com and even less with netappliances statistics!

      Employers still prefer old XP and many are refusing to upgrade.

      Slashdotters stuck on Windows may love it but it is not a smashing success either. Windows 7 should have MUCH higher share by now in 2012.

    75. Re:Terrible article by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      XP wasn't Vista either. Why didn't they just push out SP4? Oh, right. Money. The answer to any question that begins with "Why" is "Money".

      Of course money. They are a business. It costs money to make service packs and newer versions of Windows offer the features anyway and of course people buying them support the costs for maintance and security.

      The fact that you prefer XP in my opinion is a failure of Microsoft. In 10 years of development time they should show you something that makes you look at your ancient XP setup and say WTF its time to move on.

      Still Windows 7 is a much more secure and up to date system and strongly encourage you to upgrade. Instant search, speed up on newer machines with quad cores, sata, and ssds alone. However, I do admit compared to MacOSX there is not much more innovation. Mountain Lion has tons of more features than 10.1 if you dig down and use it as a comparison. MS has a problem

    76. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Office and Windows are such cash cows then why aren't people upgrading every 3 years like they once did? How can you claim it is a cash cow when customers are happy with 10 year old XP and 9 year old Office 2003 and have not paid you in 9 years!

    77. Re:Terrible article by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Whatever people think of the Wii doesn't really matter because it's all based on things they hear others repeat. For example everyone says no one plays their Wii. If you calculate out the attach rate with the hardware and software numbers from Nintendo's financial reports, the Wii attach rate is more or less the same as the 360. So I suspect most Wiis aren't just sitting in a closet otherwise that means the minority of gamers buy an insane amount of Wii games.

      But compared to the PS3 in the US that's probably right given that's really Microsoft's only strong market but I'd also say there's growing annoyance with Microsoft since it's trying to market itself towards more people than gamers and between the advertisements and games getting pushed to the side, I think they need to be careful with how they move on from the 360.

    78. Re:Terrible article by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      The complaints about the 360 becoming an entertainment system and less of a game system have been growing. I know my 360 spends most of its time collecting dust. I definitely feel like it doesn't want to be a gaming machine.

    79. Re:Terrible article by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Sharepoint is a success, it locks you into IE, Windows desktop, Windows server, IIS, SQL server, Exchange, Office, and probably a few products I have forgotten about.

      That my friend is a failure that is now biting them in the ass. IE 6 is so proprietary it can't be replaced. If you have an intranet system where you have 300 use cases on it, vbscript that does god knows what to a SQL server (obsolete proprietary version that is incompatible with newer one), that also uses some VBA macros for Office 97/2000 that is not compatible with anything newer than 2003 you got a problem!

      Worse, Office 2013 requires Exchange 2013. Now your solution also uses Excahnge 2003 which wont work with the newest. Your apis are not compatible with Windows 7 so now what?

      The answer is stick with XP, IE 6, Office 2000, and do not pay MS money and sit on it with your thumb up your ass until 2014 then worry. This hurts Microsoft's revenues. ... fyi newer sharepoint is compatible with all browsers, and IE 9 is standards compliant and a decent browser now. Problem is it is so decent it can't follow quirky IE 6 standards. MS did this hoping it would encourage people to upgrade but instead created more lockin and a fear of change to upgrade. WOW.

      It is time they reaped what they sowed and yes that is part of the lost decade for MS. Windows 7 is ble in terms of marketshare for an OS that iwll be turning 3 soon. Windows XP, and Windows 95 and 98 grew much more in 3 years and took over the whole Windows market!

    80. Re:Terrible article by gig · · Score: 0

      Xbox is over now, anyway. Console gaming is over. Gaming has moved onto mobile systems. There are more iPod touch devices in the world than all of the console games put together. AppleTV outsells Xbox. In a couple of years, iPad will have more GPU than the console games.

      - MS Office is a 1980's product (Word and Excel are from 1985, the combined suite debuted in 1989)
      - Windows is a 1990's product (3.0 was the first version that was not a demo, 95 was when you started booting into it instead of running it part-time)
      - Xbox is a 2000's product (a time when a good enough GPU for gaming had to come in a large box with fans and a good enough screen for gaming was so expensive you couldn't include it, you just put on a TV out instead)

        so we are still left with the question of what Microsoft is going to be selling in the 20-teens.

    81. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you looked around at other posts, you'd notice the vast majority do NOT copy their username onto the bottom of the body of their post. Because it is already at the top. The only reason to copy your username into the body is narcissism. If you weren't a slow learner you'd pick up on this and quit doing it. It's a holdover from forum practices 20 years ago and it's obnoxious.

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    82. Re:Terrible article by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Personally I think Microsoft had the keys to the castle in their hands, with Windows. Even I loved the concept, when it came about! It was the bees knees!
      The issue was, they didn't enhance it fast enough to really be anything more than a "bug fix" kinda thing. I mean, any advancements were fought tooth and nail. The OS/2 battles were the only thing I could see that made them move away from their little island of 16-bit Windows with 32-bit dll extensions and an 8-bit OS holding it.

      It was the reason I jumped on Linux when it was invented, like the only hot girl in school.

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    83. Re:Terrible article by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      The state of the competition is good, not sure what you're talking about.

      Playstation 3 is phenomenal, and Wii is hitting it's next incarnation. The thing is, the people doing Wii would never do XBox. Playstation 3 is the main competition.

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    84. Re:Terrible article by flimflammer · · Score: 2

      I'll admit, I originally started replying to this, but there is no way this guy is being genuine.

    85. Re:Terrible article by gig · · Score: 0

      Microsoft will dominate the corporate desktop for infinity. But the corporate desktop is going away, just like the landline phone. The mobile PC (iPad) replaces the PC just like the mobile phone replaces the landline phone. The landline phone is now an alternate kind of phone, and the mobile phone is the "real" phone. That is why you see the new MacBook Pro with Retina Display is designed very much for the classic Mac customer who is a creative workstation user, running video editing or audio editing or photo editing or software development all day long, every day. It's less of a PC than any of the Intel Macs. iPad is for PC users, now. The Mac is back to being a creative power tool.

      If your computing needs are served by Windows XP and Microsoft Office — you go to an iPad and you are moving at least 10 years into the future. Everything you were doing is already there on iPad, in a much more sophisticated version. On battery all day, and fits in your purse. The users are going to iPad full speed. If you do the math on the sales figures and the buying cycles, you see that 2012 is to Windows as 2008 was to BlackBerry. A great year, but savor it. People still have Windows, but nobody is investing in it. It's all in maintenance mode. And every year, iPad will get measurably better and gain many more users at the expense of other $399–$829 low-end PC's, which almost all run Windows.

      You just have to look at the 1995 desk, which has a desktop PC and a desktop phone, and then look at an iPad and an iPhone. They are the same thing, but just the 2015 version. The ethernet and landline from 1995 have now been replaced with wireless versions. So we need mobile versions of the desktop PC and phone to go with those wireless networks. That is iPad and iPhone. If they did not exist, we would have to invent them.

      There was a time when we thought everybody would have both a mobile and a landline phone. Now, there is this idea that everybody will have a mobile PC (iPad, or something like it) and a desktop/notebook PC. No. iPad already does all the things that most PC users want. And it's so much cheaper than Windows for business. In training alone, it is saving millions. In I-T, it is saving millions.

      So nobody cares about what is running on the corporate desktop. Everybody knows it will be some version of Windows. What is interesting is what is running on the corporate mobile PC. And that is iOS. That is why this article points out that Microsoft itself did not manage to create a Microsoft-centric mobile PC — they already failed at that. For some reason, many people like to start the clock at zero again when iPhone shipped, or when iPad shipped. No — those products are the end, not the beginning. Microsoft had mobile PC's for 10 years at least before iPad. They did PDA's before that for years. There was a need for mobile PC's hanging out there so long, Apple was able to complete their comeback in desktop PC's, maintain their dominance in notebook PC's, become dominant in music players and online sales, become dominant in phones, and then finally, almost 15 years after the comeback started, Apple got around to mobile PC's and they came in with a product that was half the price, half the weight, double the battery life, and exponentially easier to use and manage. Microsoft had all the parts for iPhones and iPads for many years now, but not only did not put them together — as this article reveals, they were actively breaking things apart internally and externally, attempting to prevent the next generation from even happening. So we are well into the next generation now. What does Microsoft do now? Office 24? Windows 14? Xbox 2880? It's all Rocky 5.

    86. Re:Terrible article by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Sony made many mistakes with the PS3. While the PS2 indeed had backwards compatibility and was known to be easy to develop for the PS3 is the opposite. One reason why the Sega Saturn failed was the lousy development tools. Instead of Sony learning from its competitors mistakes they did the same crap again.

    87. Re:Terrible article by Crazy+Taco · · Score: 1

      pointing out that MS has become like IBM in how it operates.

      I agree the article was good, but I don't think saying Microsoft has become like IBM goes far enough. Yes, it has IBM's bad tendencies, but they have some even WORSE ones! For example, I don't see IBM trying to enter every new tech category that comes along. Yet Microsoft does, even when they are years late and have no strategy that will make their late entering product superior.

      For an example of how bad this really is, ignore their late entry into smartphones, tablets, Internet search, and standards compliant browsers. It's worse and more widespread than that. They are even trying to get into things like network load balancing and authentication devices. Why? They aren't a company that specializes in that. As an example, take their Unified Access Gateway (UAG) product line (which many have never heard of, but one of the things it does is unified authentication and access control at the edge of the network). It gets blown away by F5's Access Policy Manager in performance, customizability, ease of use and feature set. Microsoft is a software company... why are they trying to compete with a company like F5 Networks, a company that specializes in advanced network devices like load balancers, Layer 7 firewalls, load balancing between data centers, and access policy management?

      By trying to be first in everything Microsoft is starting to fall behind in everything. Even IBM wasn't that stupid, and they've sold off things like PCs/Laptops once they saw the writing on the wall. It's time for Microsoft to do the same. If they focused on the core areas they are really good at, which are Windows, Office, Enterprise Software (Exchange, SharePoint), Servers, and Development Tools, and dumped all the other stuff (Bing, Music, Consumer Electronics), they'd be insanely profitable and hopefully become even better and more focused in the core competencies. And they wouldn't even have to face Apple or Google for the most part... they play in different areas.

      I know some would say that if Microsoft loses it's dominance in consumer devices it will lose the enterprise, but it doesn't have to be that way. We're still waiting for the year of the Linux desktop, but that hasn't kept Linux from being a smash hit in the datacenter.

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    88. Re:Terrible article by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

      > The mobile PC (iPad) replaces the PC just like the mobile phone replaces the landline phone.
      > The landline phone is now an alternate kind of phone, and the mobile phone is the "real"
      > phone. That is why you see the new MacBook Pro with Retina Display is designed very much
      > for the classic Mac customer who is a creative workstation user, running video editing or audio
      > editing or photo editing or software development all day long, every day. It's less of a PC than
      > any of the Intel Macs. iPad is for PC users, now. The Mac is back to being a creative power tool.

      So you reply to a terrible article with a terrible post? If you had claimed the the MacBook as a PC replacement, you would at least had some possible argument. The IPAD is *NOT* a PC replacement. It's an overgrown IPHONE targeted at viewing/listening/reading. For output, it's only suitable for short messages like texting/chat/twitter/Fecesbook-status-updates/etc.

      Try doing any serious photo/audio/text editing, long emails, or even taking notes at a meeting, and you'll see why. And don't give me any BS about buying a bluetooth keyboard and mouse. You've essentially converted the IPAD into a laptop or desktop.

      Tablets (IPAD and Android) fill a large market for dumbed-down PC's. They do not come close to replacing the desktop. And Apple prices are a joke here in Canada (Toronto to be specific). E.g. desktop Apple (Mac Pro). The "low end " (Quad-Core Intel, 6 gigs of ram, 1 TB drive) is $2,549.00 !?!?! http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro A similar ASUS (Quad-Core Intel, 6 gigs of ram, 1 TB drive) is $999, http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=042214 and I can get something similar built for less.

      For notebooks MacBook "Air" and "Pro" *START* at $1029 and $1229 respectively http://store.apple.com/ca/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_pro Regular notebooks can be had for under $500 http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?item_id=046492

      IPADS *START* at $419. Android tablets are a lot lower. See http://www.canadacomputers.com/index.php?cPath=710_375 BTW, the 11.6" notebook I mentioned above is competitive with the IPAD, and it actually has keyboard and mousepad.

      Apple has chosen to go for the more-money-than-brains market, like Mercedes/Cadillac/Lamborgini/RollsRoyce/etc. That can be a profitable niche, but I'm not part of that market.

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    89. Re:Terrible article by mikael · · Score: 1

      PC's weren't really that graphics/GUI focused at that time and there wasn't much to compete for. Everything was text based (40x25, 80x45, 132x50) resolutions. Using pixel based graphics was only needed for viewing pie-charts and bar graphs.

      While Atari ST, Amiga and Apple computers had windows based GUI's, PC applications were still in the DOS prompt era. You were lucky if any application supported a mouse let alone audio.

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    90. Re:Terrible article by carnivore302 · · Score: 1

      A lot of microsofts success can be attributed to great timing, motivated and empowered people and just plain luck. When the mood in a company goes from optimistic to negative it's really hard to turn it around. The cause of this shift can be anything, and you will see it in any company sooner or later. After that things start to go down hill. Sometimes a turnaround can be accomplished, sometimes it can't. People have studied this for a long time and came up with all sorts of theories, often not more than an analysis of a handful of cases where things worked out. Unfortunately the methods are not universally applicable, but at least it gives room for more management books to be written.

      In other words: there are many companies with the keys to the castle in their hands. Only some of them will actually go on to use them. It's hard to tell which ones will. Ask any stock analyst. Social mood waxes and wanes but the turning points are only clear in hindsight.

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    91. Re:Terrible article by phillymjs · · Score: 1

      Fuck off.

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    92. Re:Terrible article by Junta · · Score: 1

      The point was prior to xbox, many more companies were PC exclusive. With xbox, a lot of those companies took that as a cue to start doing console development in earnest.

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    93. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to be missing the point - PC gaming provided almost no money to MS, aside from nominal fees for "Windows Genuine Advantage" certification. Xbox games, however, provide a healthy revenue to MS from development through sales.

      While PC games did provide an incentive for more hardcore gamers to upgrade their systems, these people would rarely purchase entirely new computers (and thus new copies of the OS), instead choosing to upgrade specific components (primarily graphics cards, followed by controllers, memory, and hard drives).

      I suppose that you could argue that PC gamers are buying fewer new computers now, but they were always a niche market. Most of OS sales have always been to businesses, followed by home users at a very distant second. While both of these categories are now buying fewer computers each year, this is more a result of saturation - almost everyone who wants a computer has a computer - and satisfaction - most people can do everything they want with what they already have.

      Tablets and smart phones provide a new, different market which has not yet reached saturation - but which is going to become saturated shorty.

    94. Re:Terrible article by Junta · · Score: 1

      Console gaming is over. Gaming has moved onto mobile systems.

      No, gaming has *expanded* onto mobile systems. Even taking your statement at face value, that IOS devices outnumber consoles, that doesn't mean much. Cell phones have long outnumbered consoles and could technically play little games. Console market is only marginally more threatened by ubiquitous cell phone gaming than makers of 60 inch televesions, and no one is claiming phones are going to displace that market. Now the DS and Vita type offerings are certainly at significant risk, but even they retain a sufficient market thanks to some distinct ergonomic advantages to not being a phone.

      AppleTV outsells Xbox

      Even if true, so have DVD players. Apple TV without jailbreak can't play games. This is comparing apples and oranges.

      In a couple of years, iPad will have more GPU than the console games.

      Probably not of the consoles that would be a contemporary of that iPad. Signs are pointing to 2013 refreshes of Sony and MS offerings. Historically, we are talking about systems that might be willing to draw ~250W at launch, far more than the iPad would ever be willing to do. I'm not even sure they could really match the GPU performance of the current PS3/xbox360 in the power envelope they'd want in that timeframe.

      In short, big-screen, high-def, low latency network gaming I see as continuing to be a valid market. I just suspect/hope that Valve and Ouya platforms on top of linux will have a significant disruptive effect on the market for the better, and that MS is not going to be able to play.

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    95. Re:Terrible article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  2. The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is Ballmer. Always has been.

    1. Re:The problem is Ballmer by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      Are you sure? Given the timing it sounds like these policies were put in place by Bill Gates when he was still CEO.

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    2. Re:The problem is Ballmer by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Informative

      Gates was already heading for the exit in 99. He had grown tired of dealing with the press and had more money than God so who could blame him?

      No the problem has ALWAYS been Ballmer. Gates was an engineer and thought like one, menu heavy, a little geekier, but that's who he was. Ballmer has been and always will be a marketing exec, that is what he went to school for, that is how he operates, and as we have seen time and time again marketing execs may do fine on Madison Ave but they suck balls at tech.

      I mean look at what has happened under purely his watch: Zune, kin, killing playforsure for a half baked Zune market, rushing out the X360 with a 2 billion dollar flaw, the bad purchases, sinking insane amounts of money trying to buy search, pushing out Vista with all of us beta testers screaming about show stopping bugs, getting caught up in the embarrassing "Vista capable" fiasco, the man has been an absolute trainwreck to the company. Hell if the rumors are to be believed the only reason Win 7 didn't end up a disaster is he was too caught up in Bing and WinPhone to give a crap and left the guys working on Win 7 alone.

      Lets face it folks, the man has literally flushed billions of dollars right down the crapper, frankly if the final total of the Ballmer flush was less than 30 billion I'd be amazed. You can sum up Ballmer reign in 3 steps: 1.-See what is hot, 2.-Buy or build a half baked poorly thought out copy, 3.-Fail miserably. I bet if you would have took those billions and had a monkey throw poo at the stock page and bought stocks based on which ones got the most shit you'd have had a better ROI than Steve Ballmer has had, and that is with him having a company with not one but TWO monopolies! I swear the man makes the Apple Pepsi guy look like a fricking genius and we haven't even gotten to see how bad "Ballmer's Folly" aka Win 8 does yet.

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    3. Re:The problem is Ballmer by BeanThere · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Microsoft has never really been good at technology .. Bill Gates made up for a weakness in tech, with a mastery of business strategy. Ballmer doesn't have that mastery, and the competitive environment has changed. Still, I think it's a bit too early to be calling Microsoft's demise.

    4. Re:The problem is Ballmer by cpu6502 · · Score: 0

      Also I still have an old laptop with Windows 3.1..... what a pile of trash that was. And a Windows98 laptop which can't even recognize a USB drive when I plug it in.

      Where was this "golden age of Bill" because I don't see it, or remember it. What I remember was specifically avoiding Microsoft and choosing other operating systems (Commodore GEOS, Amiga 3000, Quadra Mac) for my preferred usage.

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    5. Re:The problem is Ballmer by eulernet · · Score: 2

      Agreed.
      The problem with marketing guys is that they care only about money and risks.
      They don't want to bet money on products that may not work, so they tend to copy existing products.

      When your focus is money or measuring risks, you cannot focus on users or products.
      Gates and Jobs cared about products (but not much about users), and that's why they succeeded.

      Also, they think about their products as sequels, like movies sequels.
      A good product will have a good reputation, so the next version will sell a lot more.
      This strategy works only when the product is good.

      And finally, learning from failures is the most important thing.
      You cannot always succeed with your product, so when a product fails, try to learn the lesson behind this failure, instead of trying to cover it.
      Marketing and sales guys don't want to hear about failure.

    6. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Oh - Microsoft will be around for a long time. It won't go "boom" instantly.

      But I have the feeling Microsoft is at the place IBM was when Microsoft started growing. By no means IBM was out of business then, and it is still a healthy company today. What DID diminished was their relevance at the forefront of consumer OS technology (notice I left out the market for main servers - IBM is still doing good in that field).

      And that's exactly what is happening with Microsoft today. In fact Microsoft is a big Moloch that is using its powers to push its OS on every hardware sale and thus cripple competition - just like IBM did some decades ago. IBM did grow big and lost the place at the forefront by pure inertia. The same thing is happening now at Microsoft.

      I think Windows 8 is a clear sign Microsoft is losing touch. It is still too early to say it is the "turning point", because it is still possible to "save" Windows 8 in the same way they "saved" Vista. They can tweak Windows 8 and remove some offending parts and everybody is happy and dancing again the Redmond "cha-cha-cha". But it is also possible Windows 8 is indeed the named "turning point", and Microsoft is going to loose relevance, just like IBM did decades ago.

      Only time will tell...

    7. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My prediction 5, 10 years out.

      A: Apple continues to do well, and Microsoft pisses off the OEM's so much that they just stop selling Windows. This leads to
      1) Apple having to licence OS X to OEM's because Apple is starting to look like a Monopoly
      or
      2) Apple having to licence iOS to OEM's because Apple ends up being a monopoly. If only for second-source devices.

      or
      B: Apple continues to do well, but Microsoft Jettisons Ballmer and the Stack Ranking system, and starts being innovative again
      1) Microsoft adopts some OS X' isms like OBJC, XCode, and LLVM-like compiler, allowing software being designed for Apple being ported to Windows easily. This in turn brings development back to feature parity, instead of this god awful mess that VS2010 has turned into. Right now you can't even get Visual Studio 6 projects to compile under VS2010, and Microsoft doesn't include all the pieces necessary in VS2010 Express to compile anything out of the box.
      2) Microsoft releases a new Xbox model that doesn't have the breakdown fiasco that the 360 had. Microsoft then should release the full SDK for developing on the Xbox , like Apple's SDK developing for iOS. Get rid of the monthly Live fees, and instead allow anyone to push a game or application to the Xbox, while only taking a cut if the game or application has a cost. This makes it the lowest cost platform to develop for.

    8. Re:The problem is Ballmer by IntlHarvester · · Score: 2

      Microsoft has never really been good at technology .. Bill Gates made up for a weakness in tech, with a mastery of business strategy.

      Microsoft may never have been 'high tech', but Bill Gates understood how mass-produce software on an industrial scale. Most of their old competition killed themselves with buggy/bloated/late products. However by the time 'Longhorn' came around, MS couldn't even do that...

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    9. Re:The problem is Ballmer by SuperTechnoNerd · · Score: 1

      Not demise, but the beginning of the end. Sell you shares now!

    10. Re:The problem is Ballmer by antdude · · Score: 0

      God has money? :P

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    11. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Ruie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Another similar history lesson: demise of the Westinghouse company

    12. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the man has literally flushed billions of dollars right down the crapper

      I do not think that word means what you think it means.

    13. Re:The problem is Ballmer by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Thanks for the article, it was an interesting read and just proves what I've been saying for years, which is if you bet everything on how "the street' treats your stock you ARE gonna die because frankly the street don't care if you burn down the buildings as long as it gives them short term gains.

      A perfect example was Danforth at WH, he sold the business right out from under the company and closed what he couldn't sell. Did Wall street punish him for destroying the company? Hell no, the stock went through the roof!

      If you want to see why America is crumbling you only have to go look at Wall street, the ever growing desire for ever shorter term gains has turned business from one of investment and growth into one of quick flips and bailing. Another perfect example, Circuit City. the last CEO fired every worker that was actually selling well (and thus getting paid more) and shuttered every business that didn't hit a metric and then when the stock jumped he cashed out and walked away as what was left of the business crumbled. Great for him, great for the street, lousy for CC and business in general.

      The fact that Ballmer obviously cares so much about America's obsession with stock price just shows what a shitty CEO he is, as that frankly shouldn't ever enter into his business decisions. He should be looking at what is best for MSFT in a down economy, what he can do to make sure MSFT is ready when things pick up, and he should be investing in new tech now to see them through the next decade with new ideas. Instead he merely apes what has worked for others by cooking up or buying half baked clones (Zune, Kin, Sidekick, WinPhone, Win 8) and hopes if he slings enough money at the problem it'll magically fix itself. Its a recipe for massive failure but Ballmer has enough cash and stock frankly it won't hurt him a bit, he'll still walk away a billionaire.

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    14. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Ruie · · Score: 1
      I am glad you liked it.

      One other way to look at this is that if you try to maximize some function describing performance this decreases the uncertainty in function value (as the first derivative is 0) at the cost of increasing uncertainty in function parameters (i.e. everything else).

      And unlike share price risk is good deal harder to quantify..

    15. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't send lire, God don't want small potatoes.

    16. Re:The problem is Ballmer by sortius_nod · · Score: 2

      Given that Ballmer became CEO in 2000, and prior to that he had been a division head for many different divisions, I think he had a lot to do with this cannibalistic culture that seems to be at the core of MS these days.

    17. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " the man has literally flushed billions of dollars right down the crapper"

      The man has FIGURATIVELY flushed billions of dollars right down the crapper.

    18. Re:The problem is Ballmer by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      What I remember most from the Bill Gates Golden Age was Microsoft-friendly magazines printing artist's renditions of Chicago and, when they finally delivered, releasing problem the worst TCP/IP stack in the history of the world; pretty much the 16bit Windows for Workgroups stack welded on to a Windows 95 and so hopelessly broken that it often required having to reinstall winsock just to get things working. I know that all too well because I was tech support for a small ISP back in the day.

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    19. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Are you sure? Given the timing it sounds like these policies were put in place by Bill Gates when he was still CEO.

      People are looking under the wrong streetlight here. What happened at Microsoft is something that could have happened at any company that got very large, and had a monopoly. Blaming the problem on Ballmer or Gates is missing the point.

      Microsoft became what they became because they started to think that any decision they made was the right one, That's how we get radical changes in recent Operating systems like Windows 8, and less radical "innovations" like the ribbon. This is not a statement about whether W8 is good or bad, or whether th eribbon is good or bad. Obviously both can work. The statement is that because they believe that they can annoy the bejabbers out of everyone, and force people to learn a different way of working, just to accomplish the exact same thing they were already doing perfectly well. All because they are Microsoft.

      Secondly, the company appears to have signs of being run by accountants. This usually happens after initial rapid growth of a company slows down. At that point, the accountants usually take over in order to keep profits as high as when the company was younger and growing fast. Problem is, then the accountants become a growth group in a company, and being complete overhead, eventually suck up more money than they save.

      And that leads to another problem. As the accountants look for ways to increase profit and save money, departments tend to balkanize. You make your department look good by making others look bad. The end game isn't pretty. If the corporation was a human, it would be suffering from lupus. Attacking itself by itself, form within.

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    20. Re:The problem is Ballmer by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      True, but it looked like a gem compared to what Apple was doing.

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    21. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that Ballmer obviously cares so much about America's obsession with stock price just shows what a shitty CEO he is, as that frankly shouldn't ever enter into his business decisions. He should be looking at what is best for MSFT in a down economy, what he can do to make sure MSFT is ready when things pick up, and he should be investing in new tech now to see them through the next decade with new ideas.

      Cute, you complain about an obsession with stock price while refering to a company using their stock symbol instead of their name. Ballmer should not be looking at what's best for MSFT, he should be looking at what's best for Microsoft.

    22. Re:The problem is Ballmer by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      My god, have we all not read this article two times yet? I was expecting something new.

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    23. Re:The problem is Ballmer by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      Then why isn't he removed?

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    24. Re:The problem is Ballmer by datavirtue · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Windows 8 isn't bad, but if they think they can alienate developers they have another thing coming. There are more platforms than ever to develop for, and the most exciting ones are those which are not locked in to a certain vendor (web apps based on open source tools, libraries, and servers). I don't think Microsoft has the positioning to charge developers anything to participate in their new app store. Windows 8 is a good OS and a testament to the ability of the Windows team. Some people do not like it, especially geeks, but I think it will be a hit with consumers in general. Hopefully they do not run off the developers, developers, developers!

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    25. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You make your department look good by making others look bad. The end game isn't pretty.

      That sounds a lot like companies where teams have to be ranked from low to high, with the bottom ~30% given bad reviews and no raises; this ends up making employees refuse to help each other, and instead try to sabotage each other.

    26. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      Ahhh, the "american model". Where you take a team and transform it into a family feud.

      Because nothing says efficiency like a setup where the whole is less than the smallest part.

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    27. Re:The problem is Ballmer by PingXao · · Score: 1

      I also enjoyed that article tremendously. I wouldn't say Microsoft's rise and possible fall exactly parallel what happened at Westinghouse, but there are similarities.

      It was truly an excellent article. After I read it I crawled wikipedia for a while and learned a few other unrelated things I never knew.

      I have no mod points today, but that's OK because if I did I'd be raging right now at the lack of a "+5 Offtopic" rating.

    28. Re:The problem is Ballmer by mvdw · · Score: 1

      Sure he does. Nearly as much as Bill Gates, I hear.

    29. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      I agree with you, except for the 360. Getting your customers to massively buy a fundamentally flawed product two or three times is brilliant. Of course, I haven't bought one, btw.

    30. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PLEASE don't give them the idea. I hope his reign extends right into bankruptcy.

    31. Re:The problem is Ballmer by antdude · · Score: 1

      No, He doesn't. He doesn't need money. :P

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    32. Re:The problem is Ballmer by TechnoJoe · · Score: 0

      Gates was already heading for the exit in 99. He had grown tired of dealing with the press and had more money than God so who could blame him?

      Somehow I don't believe God's assets are tied up in cash.

    33. Re:The problem is Ballmer by elcommandante · · Score: 0

      Don't say silly things that are beyond your understanding. Of course you don't sell your shares now. Do a dividend discount model with a constantly increasing dividend. You hold your shares now.

    34. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ( All these sound like psychopathic criminal cases and not common business practice, arent they actually penalized? )

    35. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I don't think I'd call it the "American model", because in my ~15 years and 6 companies, I've never seen this used before. It might be uniquely American in that some particular American companies employ it, but that doesn't make it typical over here, just like the Amish religion is uniquely American, but is just a very small sect and not even close to representing Americans at large.

      Maybe I'm just lucky though. The closest I've seen is when I worked at Intel, where they "rank and rate" all employees every year, however the key difference here was that the ranking was done over the entire department, not individual teams, so if your whole team really was kick-ass, then all the team members could be ranked highly and get big raises (while some other lackluster team might all rank in the bottom 30% and get "IR" (improvement required) ratings). The likelihood of any given team all solid performers is fairly high, but when comparing a couple hundred or more people in a whole department, surely there's going to be some poor performers in there somewhere, so this approach makes more sense, plus it probably keeps team members from turning on each other, because if they help each other out, the whole team will do really well in the rankings, and some other team will get the shaft.

      I have heard of some companies having a de facto process where "deadwood" team members are basically shuffled off to other teams, with other deadwood members, to basically isolate them; then, this makes it much easier to get rid of them by laying off the entire team at once by claiming their team isn't needed any more in a re-org, so you don't have to individually terminate anyone.

    36. Re:The problem is Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sony is another. It seems like the successful technical companies do well while the technical folks are in charge. Once the MBAs take over, it's game over.
      Disclaimer: I have a MBA, but I come from a technical background, so I've seen the good and bad of both sides of the track.

    37. Re:The problem is Ballmer by SeanAD · · Score: 1

      I don't see references to this -- ever -- but I saw a documentary around 12 years ago that showed Ballmer talking to the employees at some kind of gathering at a large-ish hall. Amidst all his frothing, at one point, he yelled (he was yelling most of the time), "If you find a better product, then copy it and call it your own". I was reminded of this when I read your "Ballmer in 3 steps," and thought, "That is exactly what he says to do." except the third part; I'm sure that's not part of his plan, anyway.

      I never saw that video again and never have seen another reference to it. I'd say I imagined it except my incredulity at hearing this was far too palpable.

    38. Re:The problem is Ballmer by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Since "the love of money is the root of all evil," I'd say the term shouldn't be "has more money than God" but "Has more money than Beezlebub."

  3. Micro$oft's lost century by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  4. lost? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems like XP and 7 did quite well.

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    1. Re:lost? by jedidiah · · Score: 5, Insightful

      XP and 7 exploited the same OEM channels that forced MS-DOS down everyone's throats.

      "Continuing to coast" is not quite the standard the author was looking for.

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    2. Re:lost? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      XP and 7 were just the same old Windows with different UIs and a bit of an upgrade. Something to base your business on, but nothing to provide anything for the future.

      Its like saying IBM did well selling a mainframe, sure once upon a time they did that and made huge fortunes, today, they don't.

      MS is stuck in a rut of not wanting to improve, that's the problem. For them.

    3. Re:lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It would be more accurate to say PC sales did quite well and since Windows was mandatory it went along for the ride.

    4. Re:lost? by Junta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Its like saying IBM did well selling a mainframe, sure once upon a time they did that and made huge fortunes, today, they don't.

      Well, actually, IBM does make a large amount around new mainframe sells. While various pieces of enterprisey software are their meat and potatoes now, While System Z isn't particularly glamorous, it is *solid* and IBM doesn't screw with it. Would some things in a brand-new System Z configuration seem downright *archaic* by many technical people? Of course. Is IBM's dedication to the platform largely as-is incredibly valuable to the market they do retain? You better believe it. Contrast this treatment to MS. If run like MS, mainframe probably would have been changed to be more like competitors that were eating away market share rather than staying the course to retain a very profitable core market. Kind of like what Sun did with the Ultra 5 and Ultra 10 back in the day.

      IBM is actually an interesting company in terms of financial success. They are rarely the leader of any particular wide market, yet so incredibly diverse that not a significant IT deal goes down without IBM getting something out of it. You buy HP blades but IBM might make money off their switch modules. You buy software from Oracle but oracle pays some licensing fee of some patents to IBM, and maybe some IBM hardware to run the software. IBM seems to always have *some* disappointing business units and some golden children in any given time period, but that changes over time. IBM used to have hardware as the golden child, software as nothing to write home about, and a fledgling service business. Times changed and suddenly their services business is the only one looking particularly good, software exceeding hardware to the point of the very immediate demise of mainframe a likely bet. Things change again and now software is the star, with Services and hardware both looking not particularly appealing, but within the hardware mainframe has actually made a comeback.

      IBM is perhaps the most boring of the massively successful technology companies, but they don't seem to care that much given their understated, but very consistent positive financial results over time.

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    5. Re:lost? by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There seems to be this mythology about Microsoft "used to be innovative". I think back and don't recall ANY time where that was the case.

      The first computers to have music-quality sound were Atari (1979) and Commodore (1982) and Apple Lisa (1983). Not Microsoft which didn't get sound blaster ability until years later.

      The first computers to have enough GPU power to playback fullscreen videos were Atari and Commodore (1985) and Apple (1988). Not Microsoft.

      The first computers to have true preemptive multitasking were Commodore (1985). Not Microsoft which took ten years to get, and it didn't work with the then-standard 16-bit apps. Only new 32-bit programs. (Apple didn't get it until 2001 with OS 10.1.)

      The MS business model started by selling software to larger companies (Atari, Apple, Commodore, IBM, and the PC clone makers). Those same large companies did the innovating while Microsoft just followed along and copied what others had already done 5-10 years earlier. They were never innovative. Never.

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    6. Re:lost? by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem is they care what Wall street thinks and IBM is a good example. IBM still makes a ton selling mainframes but according to Cringely they are literally slitting their own throats and gutting the company trying to get Wall street to treat the stock better which just won't happen. IBM like MSFT was once upon the time ruler of the planet but instead of accepting that time is past and continuing to make money on their core strengths they bow to Wall Street and end up shooting themselves in the face.

      I mean on the first page of the article what do you see? A comparison of MSFT stock to Apple stock. Wall street is a popularity contest and we all know that certain stocks get massively overvalued and then one little thing happens and the stock dives. Look at how Apple stock would drop every time any news of Jobs health would hit for example. Did anybody think the company would collapse without Jobs? But the stock still took a hit every. single. time. something bad about his health came out.

      MSFT simply needs to accept they are the new IBM, that PCs aren't going away but will never be the hip and cool thing like they were in the Win95 era and accept that while they'll keep making billions its not gonna be iMoney. All they have done by trying to chase Apple into markets where they have no real strengths is flush billions down the toilet while not gaining jack squat in terms of share. How many here think Win 8 will break double digits on phones and tablets? Thought so.

      Just because it has a processor does not mean Windows needs to be running on it, and just because Apple can pull something off doesn't mean MSFT can, they sell to two totally different demographics.

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    7. Re:lost? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 3, Informative

      None of your examples have anything to do with Microsoft. They didn't design the hardware, so they could not control the sound and graphics of the PC. They may have had real multitasking prior to NT had it not been for IBM insisting that OS/2 ran in 286 mode. It was one of the reasons wh IBM and Microsoft went their separate ways in the OS market.

      Microsoft have had plenty of innovation over the years, especially from the work done at Microsoft Research. Unfortunately, they are not always very good at commercializing the technologies that are invented.

    8. Re:lost? by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Wait... what does Microsoft have to do with PCs coming with sound cards? If anything, they're the reason they became standard equipment!

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    9. Re:lost? by ninjacut · · Score: 1

      Nobody is forcing WIndows down the throat, the fact is no one wants to buy PC's without Windows otherwise OEM's would have jumped on it for higher profit margins. Just imagine Best Buy lining up two laptops one with Windows 7 and other with Linux, which one will get sold? Talking of MS-DOS, there was simply no other product that OEM's could sell at that time. By your logic, Android is also being forced to users right? This is just a stupid argument, they gained market share when no one was around and the momentum is keeping people buy it just like what is happening with iPhone and Android. Microsoft had lead on desktops, while Apple got lead in iPhone and iPad.

    10. Re:lost? by yuhong · · Score: 1

      Well, how many 386s was in the real world back in April 1987, when Compaq DeskPro 386 was released only 6 months earlier? And OS/2 1.x did have real multitasking.

    11. Re:lost? by yuhong · · Score: 2

      And they broke the JDA in the middle of OS/2 2.0 development after the first SDKs was already sent out by MS to developers, only to later attack OS/2 with tactics that ended up being much worse.

    12. Re:lost? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      Not sure why this is modded so high. What did Microsoft really have to do with any of that? Were they suddenly sound card and video card manufacturers?

    13. Re:lost? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 4, Funny

      > They were never innovative. Never.

      Had anyone done something like Bob before? :-)

    14. Re:lost? by Rufty · · Score: 2

      The first computers to have true preemptive multitasking were Commodore (1985).

      Unix has had preemptive multitasking since 1969. And even for home computers, the Sinclair QL since 1984.

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    15. Re:lost? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Seems like XP and 7 did quite well.

      Really?

      Looked at the last place I interviewed ... all XP no plans to upgrade. Last consulting gig they were just finally upgrading to Win 7 almost 3 years after it was released. Before that a huge migration I was contracted for ... for XP SP 2 still and IE 7 upgrade from IE 6.

      Time machine back 10 years ...

      How many employers still standardized on Windows 2.0/3.0 and DOS 5 still? How many users were Windows 3.0 die hard loyalists who hated XP and refused to upgrade? How many people still thought mice were a fad and offered no business value in 2002?

      How many intranet apps optimized for NCSA Mosiac in 2002 that were being developed? How many times did people buy new computers and newer versions of Office back in 2002?

      See a problem here?

      The only reasons MS apologists can point to sales increases is because of China and India entering the 21st century from the dark ages. That is it and not because people bought new Windows every 3 years because MS was so gosh darn innovative.

    16. Re:lost? by Bedouin+X · · Score: 1

      I don't think you can adequately compare looking back 10 years ago to looking back now. Windows got pretty much everything it needed in February of 1999 with Windows 2000. However, Windows 2000 did not get a consumer release until they added 3 features and called it Windows XP. After that, there haven't been any huge functionality holes in Windows from a general consumer standpoint since the critical XP SP2 update. As best as I can tell, that pretty much puts it in similar territory as OS X over the last decade. In 2002 there were still a ton of computers running Windows 95/98 and there were massive reasons to upgrade from those to XP.

      Having said that, I am pretty sure that Windows 7 sales numbers have eclipsed XP. This is probably because the size of the PC market has expanded since XP was in vogue, but chances are that the majority of those XP licenses will at least turn into Windows 7 licenses.

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    17. Re:lost? by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      The first computers to have true preemptive multitasking were Commodore (1985). Not Microsoft which took ten years to get, and it didn't work with the then-standard 16-bit apps. Only new 32-bit programs. (Apple didn't get it until 2001 with OS 10.1.)

      I understand that you're talking about mass market microcomputers, but I still need to point out that true preemptive multitasking was available in the 70s and probably even 60s on minis and mainframes (think Multics and a bewildering array of operating systems from IBM, DEC, HP, and others, as well as Unix). In the 80s, IIRC, Intel was selling something called iRMX which was a real-time multitasking operating system that ran on a variety of their processors, including the 8086 (no 80286 or 80386 here). I'm sure that there are many more that I missed.

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    18. Re:lost? by not-my-real-name · · Score: 1

      They may have had real multitasking prior to NT had it not been for IBM insisting that OS/2 ran in 286 mode.

      Intel produced an operating system iRMX that ran on the 8080 and 8086 processors. It was a real-time, multitasking operating system and was introduced in 1980. There was also MP/M which was a multi-user version of CP/M that was introduced about the same time. It had versions that also ran on the 8080 and 8086.

      One thing that bugs me about the field of computing is that many people in it seem to be intent on deliberately ignoring its history.

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    19. Re:lost? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      To me that if a failure then of Microsoft. There are always improvements that can be made which were not implemented. Win 3.0 does all the basics too if you run just 2 or 3 apps on a 2002 era computer.

      In comparison, MacOSX has improved and gets new features while Windows 7 seems years behind in all but security with Mountain Lion finally gettng full ASLR that win 7 had. For the record I am not a Mac user or an Apple fan boi. In 10 years MacOSX improved security, integrated app store, icloud automatic backup and integration with the virtual file system so you can save files from any app, a much improved browser, much improved battery life and re-engineering to low power devices and laptops, applet integration, xpose and applet previews, document stacking at the bottom bar, voice dictation, GPS finding and integration (icalender gives off a reminder when it senses you are in the office etc), and probably a hundred other things that if I were a Mac user could quote you.

      They provide incentive to upgrade. MS in comparison in 10 years has a better security model, much improved browser, cutier gpu graphics and that is about it. No wonder businesses like XP and do not see the hassle to upgrade. There are things that could entice business and consumers to upgrade like the Mac example above. Some are finally coming to light in Windows 8 but with METRO it is a no go.

      Windows 7 sales suck as evident in marketshare. g.statcounter.com just finally showed Windows 7 take over 50% after 3 years of RC! That is terrible and is evident something is wrong. MS counts all sales as Windows 7 sales even if they use XP afterwards. Windows 98 was on its way out in 2002 if I remember properly but that was less than a year after XP came out. Not 3 years like now.

      Vista really put MS in a pickle as they wasted time to fix it with Windows 7 rather than adding new features. MS needs to catch up as Mountain Lion does look sweet even if I hate Apple they are not sitting down without a fight.

    20. Re:lost? by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      Time machine back 10 years ...

      On the other hand, if you time machine back 20 years, you'd find craploads of people treating their shiny new 486s like glorified PC XT clones - DOS, console mode applications like WordPerfect/123, NetWare, dumb term apps, etc.

      There was an unprecedented IT boom from 1995-2000 - Internet, Y2K, ERP deployments, Java, and yes Windows upgrades. However that period now appears to be the historical exception rather than the normal state of the business.

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    21. Re:lost? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Hmm I do remember Windows 3.1 starting to become very popular, but I used DOS for games back then. Yes I was just in 8th grade in those days but my father was installing the first Oracle ODBC systems which provided some ERP functionality. Crystal reports just came out and powerbuilder was in. There was some advancement since 10 years before that in 1982 when the XT came out and Apple IIs were just being introduced. Albeit many pcs then were 5 to 6 years old too with 386s everywhere.

        There were many Windows haters too for good reason just like today who hate anything besides XP so you are right it did not grow as fast as between 1992 - 2002. But no one had DOS 1.0 systems on 8086s still in 1992. which were so prevalent that app makers had to target just that which gave employers no reason to leave their 8086 greenscreens behind. That is what is happening today. If you make any business app it must support XP and IE 6 if it is an intranet app. That is rediculous and why MS is selling copies of Win 7 as numbers in markethsare show.

      Even Dos 5 was improved over IBM DOS 1.0. You could at least use more than 640k of ram with various tricks and hacks.

    22. Re:lost? by Bedouin+X · · Score: 2

      I am a Mac user, the only true technical reason to upgrade the Mac OS since 2000 or so was when they switched to the x86 platform. They incentivize upgrades more by by outright dropping support for old hardware than the relatively minor features they add in what basically amounts to a yearly service pack. I just upgraded to Mountain Lion for the hell of it and I wouldn't know I had upgraded if I didn't know what to look for.

      The majority of what you listed in OS X has been implemented in some fashion in Windows (task bar upgrades, task switcher upgrades, voice dictation), maybe not as an OS release but as a free download (e.g. Skydrive / live as opposed to iCloud).

      Also, as far as I can tell, there was not much to "fix" in Vista. Most of Vista's problems were due to terrible drivers which improved over time. Outside of that, the only other real issue I remember was UAC so I doubt much time was spent on that.

      As for Windows 98 vs XP, it's like I said. Windows XP was 100x more stable than Windows 98 because it ran on the NT kernel and businesses knew there were huge productivity incentives to upgrade - similar to the OS9 vs OS X update. Neither OS has seen an update that had near the quality impact since.

      Finally, I'm on Windows 8 now and I have to disagree about Metro. I don't think it's anything revolutionary but it adds much more value than it takes away. Exponentially more useful than half-hearted stuff like Launchpad.

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    23. Re:lost? by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Windows 3.x (and games like Doom) really kicked off the 1990s upgrade boom.

      But, prior to that the IBM clone market was in practical stasis. In 1991, you could still buy a brand new 8086 PC from all the major vendors (and a friend of mine did) -- 10 year old technology! They weren't running DOS 1.0, but they were running DOS 3.3 and most software targeted it. Stuff like OS/2 just barely registered with people. A year or two later, 486s got cheap and people started upgrading.

      The greater point might be that MS figured out how to make the boring IBM business PC "cool" in the early 90s. Now they are the boring PC provider, and they don't seem to have any clue how to make it cool. (Hybrid tablet PCs? We'll see...)

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    24. Re:lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is because the stock market is consistently over-valued because of currency inflation. Smart modern people realize that cash reserves are a stupid way to store wealth, they also know that pension plans are right out, and their only hope for maintaining their wealth is to invest in something, anything but cash. When everyone has this same idea at the same time, you end up with a stock market that is consistently over-valued and over-volatile due to people investing not because of fundamental reasons, but for lack of anywhere better to put their money.

      A properly functioning stock market would allow companies like IBM, Kodak, and Microsoft to fade away with dignity, falling back to their core markets of mainframes, photo film and paper, and legacy PC support. Educated investors would understand the fundamentals of their situation and with their shrinking market, they would require less investment, but they could continue chugging along. There is real value to what they do, and the market would reward that.

    25. Re:lost? by ignavus · · Score: 1

      The first computers to have web browsers were Next workstations (ca 1990). Microsoft didn't get IE until years later (1995). Internet? What Internet?

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    26. Re:lost? by mikael · · Score: 1

      IBM did the graphics with the CGA, EGA and VGA standards. Up until then Hercules was the other option. Then the graphics card vendors starting providing VESA resolutions which required pixblitting acceleration for windows. 3Dfx comes along followed by Nvidia. Audio advanced from PC speaker beeps to something called RealSound which required reprogramming of the PC clock to drive 8Khz audio to the speaker. That was replaced by AdLib and then Soundblaster.

      MS was really driven by business customers who just wanted word processing, spreadsheets and poster printing.

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    27. Re:lost? by Zubinix · · Score: 1

      The Amiga was probably the first affordable personal computer that had a mutitasking GUI as shipped. Plus specialised multi-processing of sorts if you included the custom chips.

    28. Re:lost? by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      That's nice, but I was talking about the work of Microsoft. As you said, iRMX was produced by Intel.

      The simple fact is that Microsoft wanted OS/2 to target the 386 to allow for preemptive multitasking of Windows programs. OS/2 1.x could not even have two command prompts running at the same time. OS/2 2.0 finally allowed for preemptive multitasking of OS/2 programs, but it wasn't until OS/2 Warp that it allowed this for Windows programs too. And what do you know, Warp targeted 386 just like Microsoft had advocated.

    29. Re:lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True preemptive multitasking? Long before 1985, my friend.

      Fullscreen videos? Check out Silicon Graphics.

      And MS did innovate one thing, which was the perfection of the embrace, extend, extinguish methodology which it successfully applied to take down goliaths like IBM. But not for technology of course.

    30. Re:lost? by uglyduckling · · Score: 1

      Really? I would call Time Machine a killer feature. Spotlight wasn't in the early versions of OSX and is incredibly useful. Different things matter to different people, but those are two things that are major improvements above x86 compatibility.

    31. Re:lost? by Bedouin+X · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying there has been no cool stuff, I'm just saying that these OSes are just making relatively small enhancements compared to what was happening between releases during the 90s. That, I believe, makes the fundamental impetus to upgrade much less urgent.

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    32. Re:lost? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did this morning. Lots of pizza last night.

  5. No MBAs by shawnhcorey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    MBAs can't run businesses. It's that simple. When Bill ran it, everything was great. When Steve took over, everything went downhill. The same happened in Apple: When Steve was in charge, Apple grew. When Steve was fired, downhill. When Steve was brought back, more growth. The same with HP. Moral: don't let MBAs run your company, it'll tank.

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    1. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not sure the degree alone is the problem.

      I think it's more likely to be about "Skin in the game" and familiarity with the landscape.

      Too many MBA CEOs brought in thinks that they're selling widgets. They can sell computers just like they can sell soda pop, it's all the same to them.

      Jobs was on a(n) (un)holy mission to remake the galaxy. Sculley was selling widgets.

    2. Re:No MBAs by fnj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'll buy that familiarity with the technology is a factor, but it's also about the thrill of technology as a motivator. Business types don't have it. Everybody knows what their SOLE motivation in life is, only it's self defeating in this particular sector.

      I have a picture of the MBA at bed time. After the obligatory five minutes, he and his wife are lighting up smokes. She is stroking his shoulder, murmuring sweetly. "It's all right, sweetie. You're just wound up." His brow is furrowed in thought and he is thinking silently "How can we leverage sex in the business? How can we rake in the bucks and rip off the people?"

    3. Re:No MBAs by M1FCJ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ah the rosy spectacles of the past. When Bill ran it, everything was not great. They almost completely missed the Internet revolution because Bill Gates never understood it. Also Bill's reign got them investigated and found guilty of corporate shenanigans. He didn't leave because he wanted to, he left because he was the most hated guy in the industry.

    4. Re:No MBAs by Yvanhoe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree. The CEO of a software companies needs to know how software works. The CEO of an airplane company needs to understand how airplane work. It doesn't need to be a guru-lvel of understanding but it needs to be more than superficial. It must be enough to have an enlightened opinion on technical questions.

      The boss of Boeing needs to know if it makes sense to invest in electrical planes, to understand the weight constraints of batteries, the trends and how it can impact the airplane industry in 20 years.

      The boss of Microsoft must understand how software works, to understand what are the costs and advantage to port to ARM, the necessity of having a specialized version for embedded software vs having a completely different product, deciding if tablet are more like a big smartphone, a small laptop or a totally new platform, etc...

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    5. Re:No MBAs by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Apple wasn't doing all that great when Jobs left it, and later on many people (including many MBA-haters as well as Jobs himself) realized that some MBA-type skills were missing at Apple's helm. The problem with MBA schools is that they teach you only one aspect of management: management / economic theory, in other words the science part, which is good and necessary. But they do not provide much equally essential experience, and do little to teach actual leadership. And that's why MBAs often do such a poor job of running companies and departments: they were taught only the science, and they think it's enough. But if you think you can run a multi billion dollar firm withou the science part, you're sorely mistaken. That is what Jobs found out the hard way.

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    6. Re:No MBAs by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      When Bill ran it, everything was great.

      Well, predictably, you didn't RTFA. I read it yesterday when I found it in my G+ stream (I see about 80% of stories posted here somewhere else first now, either there, hackaday, or even on failbook) and Bill handed over the reins when things were already going badly. Now they're just going more badly, and baldly, too.

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    7. Re:No MBAs by shawnhcorey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      MBAs are taught finance. When their company gets into trouble, that's what they turn to. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. So, MBAs try to fiance to get out of trouble. Things like cost cutting. In the article, employees were complaining about the difficulty in finding a whiteboards and the lack of office supplies. Microsoft's stack ranking system was to determine which employee to get rid of. Again, cost cutting. But you can't save a business by cost cutting. You can only save it thru sales. Bill is a good salesman. Steve isn't. Steve can't save the company and I think it's too late for Bill to make a comeback.

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    8. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Agree - but this can be simplified. There's a rule.

      Managers are of two types.

      There are managers who believe that management itself is a profession that stands outside of any other profession or industry; that is, that a manager only manages people. It doesn't matter what those people do. Nor does it matter what the manager knows about the business he/she manages. A good manager will deliver goodness, regardless.

      Then there are managers who believe that they'd best excel at the specifics of the industry they find themselves in. Because one should understand the 'why' of making decisions, outside of the people involved.

      The first type are MBAs. The second type are filthy rich.

      In support of this collegiate heresy, I offer two questions. How many notably successful, durable companies have been started by MBA-types, who had no intimate, experiential knowledge of the area that company competed in? How many have been started by those who excelled in their particular field?

    9. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree. MBAs can run a traditional business that doesn't do anything innovative or expect to be a market leader. They have a background in proven techniques for the best average performance.

      Now, if you want to be a world class company, carving out new markets and exploiting exciting opportunities then you are correct, an MBA is not going to help you run your business. You want a visionary with world-changing ambitions instead.

    10. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cries of the uneducated. An M.B.A. is the single greatest investment somebody can make in their career. Those who rail against it are generally ignorant of business constructs, or filled with hate.

    11. Re:No MBAs by Junta · · Score: 2

      I think it's more fair to say that MBAs tend not to deliver mind-blowingly overwhelming sucess. MBAs are the vast majority of anomymous, boring leaders in the business world. On the whole they lead mostly obscure companies in relatively subtle and unexciting rate of growth, but still on the whole mostly growth.

      Meanwhile, the Zuckerberg, Gates and Jobs of the worlds are effectively the lottery winners amongst non-MBAs playing corporate leadership game. Through a combination of persistent vision, acumen, and luck, they acheive overwhelming success that make them rock stars. Far more people could rattle off those names in relation to the companies they led than people can name the current leader of IBM, Food Lion, McDonald's, etc. However, for every Gates, there are probably a 1,000 people in the same position of leading a business out of an inherent interest in the product than boring MBA concerns that crash their endeavors spectacularly into the ground. Once you transition the reigns of such an overwhelming success to *anyone* else (MBA or not), that success will erode to a more rationally possible course over time. The issue being that looks *really* bad and people tend to extrapolate a negative trend as being inevitable all the way to the bottom and investors observing that make it a self-fulfilling prophecy by pulling funds from a seemingly sinking ship.

      So in short, MBAs tend toward boring, uninspiring leadership that doesn't change the world but tend to do ok by the businesses they lead. A prominently resspected business leader will almost inevitably mean doom for the company when that leader goes away.

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    12. Re:No MBAs by slew · · Score: 1

      Before Steve was in charge, Apple grew. When Steve was fired, downhill. When Steve was brought back, more growth.

      FTFY.

      Although Steve was a founder and high level exec and visionary, he really wasn't in charge of the business stuff in the early days of Apple (inside sources seem to indicate it was mostly Mike Markkula behind the scenes). By many accounts, he learned his CEO business lessons on the job at Pixar and NeXT, and brought those lessons back to Apple.

    13. Re:No MBAs by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      They can't "rip you off" if you don't buy their product. And from what I've read Sculley is unfairly maligned. He was the guy who pushed forward the Apple Newton..... had he not been in charge it would have been killed-off.

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    14. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The cries of the uneducated. An M.B.A. is the single greatest investment somebody can make in their career. Those who rail against it are generally ignorant of business constructs, or filled with hate.

      On the other hand, those that tout it as the best thing since sliced bread seemed to be equally filled with hate for those that would attempt to tarnish their prize.

      The facts are (as usual) somewhere in the middle. The immediate payback is a bit suspect and of course there is a presumption that the career you intend to follow is in one of the high-compensation areas where MBAs tend to cluster. If you do not intend to follow those career paths, you are just changing careers and that's not any different than going back to school and doing a reset for a different career path (e.g., lawyer quitting, going to medical school). That's not an "investment in their career,", it's an investment in another career.

      Although I haven't seen a study on this, I'm pretty sure that an MBA won't pay back too much if you are a mid-level tech manager that wants to be a tech manager (say going into the EVP level of engineering or CTO) versus if you wanted to transition to a career path to a tech-oriented managing director (say going to partner) at an investment firm.

      I've seen a few MBA tech managers, and it's often funny to see them try to apply their MBA-fu to schedules and people allocation as if engineering is some sort of 1-year factory optimization problem. I don't think it did much for their career trajectory (at least a couple of them are still middle level managers after 20+ years)...

      On the other hand I've seen a couple tech managers w/o MBAs grow into do well as general managers all the way up to the P&L of a division. One of them, after a couple of years as a GM, spend some time to go back for an MBA (night-school) and then tell me it was a waste of time from a learning point of view, except for the business contacts that they made at school and that she could have better spent the time earning the MBA just quitting to run her own business and reading up on the MBA lingo w/ her spare moments on the loo. Apparently, according to her, most of what you learn is only really valued by other MBAs and mostly only applicable to the Finance world.

      Other engineers I know that went back for MBAs mostly just use their MBA-fu for analysing investments on the side and it doesn't have any use in their engineering day-job. It doesn't appear that the MBA helped them any more in the current economy than my silly invest in ETFs strategy.

      Of course one person I know went straight into B-school (wharton) right after university (graduated w/ a BSEE) and is doing really well as a managing partner of an investment firm. When he was in university, he couldn't design a circuit to save his life in the senior project lab course, and probably would have been a horrible engineer, but he was mostly a straight-A student (took lots of math and theoretical classes and the project grader for senior project lab took pity on him and gave him a B). The MBA path probably saved him (and the world) from a career in engineering.

      As always, your milage may vary...

    15. Re:No MBAs by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      "How can we leverage sex in the business?

      - well, sex sells.

      How can we rake in the bucks and rip off the people?

      - 'ripping off people' is a good approach if you have access to government. Buy a few politicians, change a few rules, maybe only one rule - get a preferential tax rate or have the government set the rule of requiring licenses in your field for all the new entrants, then consolidate, a buy out or two, preferably backed by government guaranteed loans.

    16. Re:No MBAs by Telvin_3d · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure the degree alone is the problem.

      No, but I think it's a self selecting group. The people with MBAs are, by definition, the kind of people that think an MBA is a really great thing to get.

    17. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it's much better to be a psychopathic prick cocksucker like zuckerfaggot, steve "steal a liver but be a fucking idiot and think cancer will go away if you just pretend you don't have it" jobs, and bill "rapist of the anus of the american software landscape".

      Fucking models of ideal human behavior.

    18. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Steve Jobs was so hated he decided to leave permanently. Too soon?

    19. Re:No MBAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure Microsoft wanted to capture the entire market with their own network, but when they realized they couldn't stop the march to the Internet they sure were quick to change course and in the end succeeded in taking over 95% of the web browser usage share anyway. So I don't think it was a case of misunderstanding the Internet, just a matter of wanting something that was completely their own.

    20. Re:No MBAs by sunspot42 · · Score: 2

      Sculley is unfairly maligned. He was the guy who pushed forward the Apple Newton..... had he not been in charge it would have been killed-off.

      And that would have been a bad thing because?

      The Newton was a flop. The guys who did the Palm Pilot got the PDA right, with a lot less hype and at a price folks could actually afford.

    21. Re:No MBAs by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      The guys who did the PalmPilot were former Newton engineers. They based their work upon what they learned from working at Apple. Had the Newton project never existed, neither would the Palm. (So yes it was a good thing Sculley pushed-forward the Newton project. It wasn't good for Apple since they messed-up the design, but it was good for us, the customers.) It's similar to how VHS would never have existed if Sony had not developed Betamax. Even though Betamax ultimately failed, it was good that Sony demo'd the product to JVC, who copied it as VHS, and ultimately good for us customers. Without the first, the second would not have existed.

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    22. Re:No MBAs by 12WTF$ · · Score: 1

      Now they're just going more badly, and baldly, too.

      IOW: To run a tech company well, you have to be bold. Not bald.

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    23. Re:No MBAs by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      I agree, and like him or not, Jobs went balls to the wall with everything he did.
      I loved and hated him at the same time, when he was alive.

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    24. Re:No MBAs by styrotech · · Score: 1

      Bill was also king of vapourware (Cairo anyone?). And the whole Longhorn/Vista development and redevelopment debacle was on his watch as chief software architect.

    25. Re:No MBAs by sunspot42 · · Score: 2

      I've seen that argument before, but I don't really buy it.

      Take Betamax. Development began in 1971 with JVC, Sony and Matsushita, but the partners broke up fairly early on. Sony worked on Betamax, Matsushita on VX and JVC worked on VHS. Heck, even Sanyo had their own format (V-Cord), which was radically different from the others. These formats happened because the technology had progressed to the point where they could be manufactured at a somewhat-affordable price point. Sony getting Betamax into the market didn't drive the others - everybody was already headed in that direction. Sony just got there first, arguably with the best format, apart from the playtime limitation which ultimately crippled them in the US. (Ironically, Betamax technically could have supported longer playtimes than VHS while maintaining superior picture quality, but Sony refused to release such a device until it was too late.)

      Likewise, other folks were working on PDAs besides Apple, and if the Newton had never been released we'd have seen some other successful product materialize at about the same time as the Pilot did - right when the technology became available to produce such a device at an affordable price point.

    26. Re:No MBAs by mikael · · Score: 1

      At the time (1990's), there were many proprietary internet protocols; HP used to give out a poster with their network analyzers which had a vendor list going across the poster horizontally, and the network layers going down the page. Just about every big company had their own protocol stack.

      From a Microsoft point of view, it would be something that should have too, and did try, but as most web servers were UNIX based, they couldn't get them to replace their existing TCP/IP stacks with MSnet, so Microsoft had to purchase a TCP/IP stack from a third party company. The next best thing for them was to try and "own" the web browser in the same way that they owned the GUI.

      It's easy to dominate the population when you are the CEO in a one company town. But once neighboring cities expand around you and grow into a metropolis, your influence rapidly diminishes.

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    27. Re:No MBAs by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>Betamax technically could have supported longer playtimes than VHS while maintaining superior picture quality

      Your facts in your posts are numerous and wrong. I'll just pick this one as the most glaring: Betamax has a luminance bandwidth of 3 Megahertz. VHS has a luminance bandwidth of 3 Megahertz. In other words they are equal in resolution & picture quality.

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    28. Re:No MBAs by sunspot42 · · Score: 1

      Luminance bandwidth isn't all there is to picture quality, something which should be obvious, although Beta's bandwidth was slightly higher than VHS's. In the early days VHS offered 240 lines of horizontal resolution, Beta 250. A marginal difference, but Beta also sported lower video noise and less luma/chroma crosstalk, due largely to head drum size and geometry.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Videotape_format_war#Picture_quality
      http://www.betainfoguide.net/BetaBetter.html (although I think they get the luma bandwdith wrong)

      It wasn't night and day, but Sony could have released decks with slower speeds early on and pretty much matched VHS playback times without degrading overall picture quality below VHS's. Unfortunately, they refused to do so until it was too late and VHS had effectively won the format war.

  6. Lost decade? by dnaumov · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So doubling your revenues and net income is now considered a "lost decade"?

    1. Re:Lost decade? by nanoflower · · Score: 2

      If you look at the share price then yes. It wasn't until recently that the price per share started to rise and even then it isn't that much.

    2. Re:Lost decade? by dnaumov · · Score: 1

      Only because the MSFT shares were ridiculously overpriced a decade ago and only recently the company has actually "grown into" deserving the valuation.

    3. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's never been much of an idea that MS would actually grow once it hit 90%. How can you, really?

    4. Re:Lost decade? by fnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      During the period that Microsoft's market cap got lopped in half, Apple's multiplied by over ONE HUNDRED TIMES. So yes, I'd say that qualifies for a lost decade. Market cap is the world's picture of how much you are worth as a company.

    5. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's obvious that you have no clue as to why stock prices really go up when they do it in a quick fashion. If you honestly think that a stock price has anything to do with the value of a company you're just fooling yourself. It's all about future growth and a company that is being beaten back with anti-trust suits on multiple continents isn't going to perform there.
       
      You could have a company that profits billions without fail every quarter for decades and they're going to look lackluster if using their stock trend as a measuring stick.
       
      But, hey, that's something that's big around Slashdot... taking what information suits your theory best and dismissing the rest.

    6. Re:Lost decade? by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      This is an apologist's view point. Save for the aforementioned minor successes, Microsoft has polarized and engendered enormous amounts of FUD into the markets it once championed.

      While the article leaves out several glaring mistakes by omission, it is a largely accurate portrayal of an organization that's losing mindshare, market leadership, money, intellectual capital, and the warmth of its users.

      The most glaring omission in my mind: poor quality software. Windows 98-Windows XPSP2 were horrible and fraught with bugs that lead to users having their machines trashed by viruses malware, or just machines made unusable by driver and systems software dependencies that took near experts to sort out. User as root allowed any app to have essentially complete control over the machine. Windows security became an oxymoron, and when Apple and Torvalds paid attention to details, they won. Regaining that trust will be painfully difficult for Microsoft at the user level. Note that the user-level is solely where Apple markets to; they're business clueless and don't care.

      Market growth after market growth has escaped Microsoft, whose lack of entrepreneurship has stifled their growth, removed employee incentives, and made them amorphous.

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    7. Re:Lost decade? by confused+one · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If, during that time, several companies that didn't effectively didn't exist in your market appear and then exceed your revenue, while your company misses opportunities time and time again... Then yes, it was their decade to lose and they lost it.

    8. Re:Lost decade? by dnaumov · · Score: 2

      During the period that Microsoft's market cap got lopped in half, Apple's multiplied by over ONE HUNDRED TIMES. So yes, I'd say that qualifies for a lost decade. Market cap is the world's picture of how much you are worth as a company.

      Yes and at times that world's picture gets completely separated from reality. See Facebook and Zynga IPOs.

    9. Re:Lost decade? by gomiam · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Market cap is to company's real worth as photoshopped magazine covers are to original models' beauty: a somewhat good reference but not really that reliable. Otherwise, analysts wouldn't ever care about reading the company balance to make their decisions... and they do (HFT aside, of course).

    10. Re:Lost decade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Windows 98-Windows XPSP2 were horrible

      Pardon me, but are you proposing that windows was horrible from 98 through XPSP2? 98 was a major improvement over 95 in every way including stability. ME was crap. 2k was fantastic. XP was fine for me from SP1, dunno what terrible things you were doing to it.

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    11. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Careful. Revenue doesn't necessarily equate to innovationa and success.

      LArge corporations today have improved their bottom line not so much by innovating, but by trimming fat (in many instances WA?Y too much). Outsourcing, curring back on perks (for the minions - not the senior executives), and so on really adds to the overall 'bottom line'. The problem comes when there is little more one can do to trim fat asnd HAVE to rely on innovation itself to succeed. I thnik in the next 5-7 years we'll start seeing this era, and it'll be companies that can truly innovate (instead of trying to find the next Inia/China to offload their human resources) who will succeed.

    12. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought W2k was damn good too but, really, the ability to create a really good OS had already been demonstrated by several companies by that point. It was its catch-up in the market that made it look like a big deal. Without the pre-load noose I wonder how big Microsoft's "success" would have been. That's where the accolades should rightfully go: Microsoft's Legal Dept. Trouble is most of today's internet cognoscenti were still in their diapers when the groundwork for this "success" was being laid.

      Redmond has always counted on the memory hole, and it's always worked for them. In a few decades the repubs will have Gates' face on a $3 stamp.

    13. Re:Lost decade? by postbigbang · · Score: 2

      Yes, there was improvement, and yes, there became in the process of rapid releases and poor quality checks, unbelievably bad security and increased vulnerability.

      For you, the sense that XP SP2 introduced demotion of user from root/admin is what made it a bit safer, and architecturally tenable. In the meantime, I had to scrape countless machines of malware, viruses, and just plain insane and stupid problems caused by revision desynchronization.

      I wrote BOOKS on the subject.

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    14. Re:Lost decade? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      as money loses its value over time, you need to do better than that.

      From TFA:

      Exhibit A: today the iPhone brings in more revenue than the entirety of Microsoft. ... One Apple product, something that didnâ(TM)t exist five years ago, has higher sales than everything Microsoft has to offer.

      So MS still makes money, but its a far cry from what it used to make or what it could be making.

      In December 2000, Microsoft had a market capitalization of $510 billion, making it the worldâ(TM)s most valuable company. As of June it is No. 3, with a market cap of $249 billion. In December 2000, Apple had a market cap of $4.8 billion and didnâ(TM)t even make the list. As of this June it is No. 1 in the world, with a market cap of $541 billion.

      I know some people point to facebook and say "shareprice means nothing", but those extremes just show the rest of the stock market gets it mostly right, a company's share price reflects what the market thinks the company will be worth a year or so down the line. They don't think Microsoft will be anything other than dull for the foreseeable future.

      To highlight what this might mean in more practical terms, imagine if Apple came out with an office suite that was better (or nearly as good even) as Office. Given the quantity of coolness Apple owners think of themselves, they'd have to use it, and that could easily destroy one leg of Microsoft's revenue streams. There are products that are better than Office out there already, look at Scrivener for an example, just slap the Apple branding/marketing on it and bam... Microsoft would fall over. Its not hard to imagine at all.

      This is why people are more worried than happy with the situation with Microsoft. I think tech players come and go all the time, its just that Microsoft's time is nearly up.

    15. Re:Lost decade? by nyctopterus · · Score: 1

      XP was a piece of shit in the hands of everyone but Windows experts. Prone to malware, gradually degrading performance for no particular reason (requiring re-installs every 3-6 months), and an ugly, intrusive GUI. I really don't understand this new-found reverence of XP. It was a pile of poo, and nowhere near as good as any modern operating system.

      You got used to it, I guess. But that didn't make it fine.

    16. Re:Lost decade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      You got used to it, I guess. But that didn't make it fine.

      I was dual-booting (or sometimes dual-boxing) Windows and Linux throughout much of that period, running SunOS and IRIX and others on other machines, and it's not clear to me that Windows was of lower quality as a desktop OS than the alternatives (except for ME) until about Windows Vista, which is when they really screwed the pooch on quality. But you couldn't expect the average user to perform even the simplest maintenance tasks on Linux back then, you'd often get into a state where you'd have to run fsck manually, etc etc.

      Don't get me wrong, I have way more hate for Microsoft than do most people, but Windows really became quite credible in Win2k and it stayed that way until VistaSP0 and it became that way again in Vista SP1. A usable, functional system, that is.

      There ARE problems with the architecture of XP. Needing a third party utility to defrag the registry is stupid. Never autoclearing precache is retarded. The security was abysmal until SP2 as has been said. But there were problems of I think equal or even greater impact on Linux, affecting the usability of the system for average people. With windows you could "fix" your problems with the install CD. With Linux that was less often the case.

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    17. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think tech players come and go all the time

      But not all of them go: see IBM, MS, Oracle, RedHat, Apple.

      What kind of industry has such corporate turnover (as in: entire companies) such that the original players at the birth of the industry are no longer around (even as part of another company)? I'm not trying to be a jackass with that question, I really can't think of any.

    18. Re:Lost decade? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      And in the decade in question they enabled the firewall by default, changed the default account to non-admin, introduced sandboxing and a virtualized filesystem etc. Even IE isn't that bad any more.

      Office is still the de-facto standard despite quality competition.

      There was also the two iterations of XBOX, and Xbox Live.

      On the dev front Visual Studio 2010 is good, as is .NET.

      There has been at least as much good as bad in the last 10 years. Share price is because idiots like the gamble on the likes of Facebook or jump on the fast rising Googles and Apples.

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    19. Re:Lost decade? by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      XP was fine for me from SP1

      It may have been fine for you, but it's during this time that most people experienced untold amount of computer headaches. The anti virus thrived because of Win9x and Win XP. With BSOD's and OS memory leaks occuring to every user, the average person found it a pain to use these OS's. People have just gotten used to problems that never should have been problems in the first place. Do you think the "I'm a Mac" ad's were based on the ease with which people used their Windows computers? No, the ads were hitting on experiences nearly everyone had been having for a decade.

    20. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XP was a piece of shit in the hands of everyone but Windows experts

      OEMs share some blame. Lousy defaults are only partially MS's problem. XP is my current desktop, and IIRC it stil came with "hide extensions by default". Gawd.... I hate that. NewTexFile.txt.txt. Just pisses me off. Extensions are not that hard to grasp.

      The OEMs throw in things like screwed up mouse-gestures, which I also disabled. Oh, and why do I need an OEM way to search for WiFi? MS does that just fine.

      The point is that you're partially right. I don't consider myself a "Windows Expert", but I did have to know more than Ma Kettle to tweak the box. The important thing though is that once it's tweaked it runs great. XP is the first Windows I ever had that only reboots for patches. Uptime longer than a day isn't really that important for Windows (something I tried to explain until I was blue in the face back in the 90s. The frustration of Slashdot back then, trying to explain that your defense of Windows was not a defense of NT Server) but it's nice to have.

      As for malware, yes it still happens. Solution? Roll back. You can roll back XP quite nicely. This also is a bit obscure. If you get really hammered it's a command-line string; but it works. And yes, 9 times out of 10 it's because you hit porn sites.

    21. Re:Lost decade? by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Automobile manufacturers. Out of the 30 or so at the beginning there are only 3 left and 2 of those had to be bailed out by the government to survive.

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    22. Re:Lost decade? by Teresita · · Score: 1

      I'm rolling with 98SE on a $35 Presario someone kicked to the curb. Oldest OS I can get to work with ethernet and a USB sound card. Opera 10.10. Mirc 5.9. WinAmp 2.81. DeepBurner for CDs. Runs all day with a DOS window open running streamripper grabbing hour-long Hearts of Space MP3s from a Russian station. Whole thing backs up into one corner of a stick. Exactly four processes running at bootup and I know what they are, but just in case I'm also running McAfee (which I bought from Goodwill). Low budget computing.

    23. Re:Lost decade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It may have been fine for you, but it's during this time that most people experienced untold amount of computer headaches.

      If the amount is untold, how do you know about it?

      The anti virus thrived because of Win9x and Win XP.

      Perhaps you don't remember the classic MacOS days, but you had to strap that up pretty hard with antivirus the last time I used it. OSX was a whole new system but it's been shown to not be that difficult to exploit in many versions. Now there's a silently-installing trojan around, the malware authors are finally getting a handle on OSX and ObjC apparently.

      Do you think the "I'm a Mac" ad's were based on the ease with which people used their Windows computers?

      No, they were based on the propaganda techniques of "just plain folks" and "bandwagon".

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    24. Re:Lost decade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I have Windows 98 installed on an iOpener with a 2GB disk in. I seldom boot it but when I do, it works great, just like it did way back when. I used to use it for my embroidery machine but that seems to have died, and I haven't tried doing any circuit analysis yet to look for what I must have killed by hooking up the wrong power supply or something. It has polarity the reverse of everything else I own, seems like something I might have done once.

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    25. Re:Lost decade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      In the meantime, I had to scrape countless machines of malware, viruses, and just plain insane and stupid problems caused by revision desynchronization.

      I've done my share of malware-removal, too. In pretty much every case the problem was the user doing something they should not have been doing, like visiting sites full of illicit shit on the school's computers. And I'm not talking about students, either. The student lab computers were way less prone to infection than the educators' and counselors' computers.

      I wrote BOOKS on the subject.

      Congratulations. I'm glad you found a way to profit from infections of Windows machines more satisfying than simply cleaning them.

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    26. Re:Lost decade? by george14215 · · Score: 1

      Not when iPhone revenues exceed ALL of Microsoft's revenues...in a market that Microsoft practically invented (smartphones).

    27. Re:Lost decade? by redneckmother · · Score: 1

      Redmond has always counted on the memory hole, and it's always worked for them. In a few decades the repubs will have Gates' face on a $3 stamp.

      Shouldn't that be a $3 "Bill"?

    28. Re:Lost decade? by flimflammer · · Score: 1

      gradually degrading performance for no particular reason (requiring re-installs every 3-6 months),

      I wonder what you were doing on the damn thing to require such frequent reinstalls. I was fine for at least a year or two before I even needed to consider a refresher, and I did constant work with many different applications non stop on the machine.

    29. Re:Lost decade? by postbigbang · · Score: 1

      You presume much, and with an attitude.

      People open attachments, or had HTML code in an email. They got infected pps files. The gamut. Some were civilians, some should have known better. Defending their architecture will get you nowhere.

      As for my books, you have no clue the subject matter, but it was best for you to reveal that the content doesn't matter to you, that they must be profitable, and must have to do with infections.

      Defending Microsoft is one of the silliest things you can do.

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    30. Re:Lost decade? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      XP was a piece of shit in the hands of everyone but Windows experts. Prone to malware, gradually degrading performance for no particular reason (requiring re-installs every 3-6 months), and an ugly, intrusive GUI. I really don't understand this new-found reverence of XP. It was a pile of poo, and nowhere near as good as any modern operating system.

      You got used to it, I guess. But that didn't make it fine.

      Human psychology to fear change. When shit hits the fan ... cough VISTA ... people then develop a fear and prefer to stay what is familiar. XP loyalists took our advice and it changed their mindset. Same idiots who said Win 7 = Vista SP1 before using it re-enforced how great XP was.

      Now they do not want to leave as they have a learned behavior that you can stay ahead by fearing change and doing what they have been doing for 10 years.

      Same principal applies to politics. Bush is looked up in a much more positive light for some who voted for Obama.

    31. Re:Lost decade? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      So doubling your revenues and net income is now considered a "lost decade"?

      What the numbers show is Asia buying computers for their offices and factories for first time users. What the numbers do not show is people who stopped buying their products because their 10 year old versions are fine and no newer features motivate them enough to change.

      Now since the market is saturated the revenue will slow to a trickle as well. Watch

    32. Re:Lost decade? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      You presume much, and with an attitude.

      Pot kettle black.

      Defending Microsoft is one of the silliest things you can do.

      I'm not defending Microsoft, I'm disagreeing with certain statements. It's clear from my history I'm no Microsoft-lover. But having used many operating systems extensively throughout the time period we're discussing, including the Microsoft stuff, it's also clear (to me, anyway) that the alternatives were just as uncredible as Windows, only in different ways.

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    33. Re:Lost decade? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      It's not about money, it's about clout and about capital.

      Once you have your placeholder in the business and keep it up, your money is the reward. The money isn't the goal, it's the mechanisms to get the money.

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    34. Re:Lost decade? by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      [XP is] prone to malware, gradually degrading performance for no particular reason (requiring re-installs every 3-6 months), and an ugly, intrusive GUI.

      I'm no Windows expert, but I still use XP on my three Windows PC's. I like the GUI better than Linux which I have installed on a fourth PC (OpenSuse KDE 12).

      I have 7 at work and prefer XP. I haven't reinstalled in all these years using it but have had several PC's crash with fatal hardware errors. I'm not blaming XP for that.

      I've had no malware ever but I run Symantec or Kaspersky anti-virus and I disable auto anything so that nothing happens unless I tell it to. I also install Windows updates.

      I'll keep running XP as long as I can find a PC that'll run it.

    35. Re:Lost decade? by fisted · · Score: 1

      Cool, and how does this protect you from drive-by attacks?
      A false sense of security, that is.

    36. Re:Lost decade? by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      If by false sense you mean I don't know what a drive by attack ois, you're right.

      I looked it up and it says it requires tricking the user into loading a piece of malicious code. I thought I made it clear but apparently you didn't understand. Nothing gets installed unless I say so (which requires disabling auto stuff, such as executing jpg's, autorunning CD's, autoshowing emails, executing attachments, and on and on. All the dumb things that happen automatically. I disabled that.

      Also, anti virus scans downloads of everything. So no I am not affected by drive by's, trojan authors, or any other malware.

    37. Re:Lost decade? by fisted · · Score: 1

      "executing jpg's"
      i take it you're trolling. for the unlikely possibility that you aren't: you still don't know what a drive-by attack is, and your false sense of security is still there.

    38. Re:Lost decade? by ralphdaugherty · · Score: 1

      If you don't know about the jpg execution attack, you don't need to be giving me any advice.

    39. Re:Lost decade? by Jedi+Alec · · Score: 1

      While user stupidity played a massive role, I do recall a time when Windows XP connected to the web would literally be infected by a worm within minutes. You could actually plug in the cable, start a stopwatch and wait for Blaster to do its thing.

      Good times...

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    40. Re:Lost decade? by mikael · · Score: 1

      I did some investigation into that after completing my PhD, and had to clean out the file system, before it was stomped over with a fresh OS image. Took the opportunity to account for every byte of file system space. After removing my files, applications, device drivers, old web browser caches, thumbnails, application usage logs, turns out there were a couple of files related to logging the boot-up sequence of every device driver and application on the system. These were never cleared or deleted. They just got bigger and bigger (on the order of several Gigabytes after a few years). If for any reason, the PC failed to boot up the first time, these files would remain in a "locked state", so that they couldn't even be defragmented by the file system.

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    41. Re:Lost decade? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To fine a point on things and accentuate the previous post: If you double your revenue in buggy whips over ten years while your competition invents/refines the car, and builds a network of incredibly popular roads, then you've had a lost decade. To be clear, the new invention is mobile computing: iPhones, iPads, and Android devices. To paraphrase the article: "Apple now makes more money just selling iPhones than Microsoft makes". People use their mobile devices to make decisions in the real world through maps supplied by Google and to communicate via infrastructure provided by Facebook and Twitter. Notice that Microsoft isn't a mentioned in this list. Microsoft should be seriously concerned that every computer security person that I know is forming a "Bring-Your-Own-Device" policy that allows its employees to communicate using these new Non-Microsoft devices.

    42. Re:Lost decade? by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Some AV researcher recently published a stat that astonished me (and I wish I could find the cite offhand, but anyway) -- turns out only 0.7% of Windows machines suffer an infection (I'm not a malware alarmist, and I still would have thought it higher than that). It's still a big deal because 0.7% of Windows' marketshare is still millions of computers.

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  7. Stupidity always flows from the top... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In any organization I've ever seen or worked for.

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  8. Finally a good summary by instagib · · Score: 2, Funny

    You know right away the article is BS.

    Because during the last 10 years many MS products have finally become as usable as they should have been 10 years ago.

    1. Re:Finally a good summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Give any company a decade and billions of dollars and I am sure they will make something usable. This is, and will always be, Ballmer's legacy at MS. He accomplished nothing more than the steady decline of the MS brand. Once the Board gets rid of him and puts some fresh, outside blood in charge they will begin to climb out of the cellar.

    2. Re:Finally a good summary by Trepidity · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hah, indeed. Microsoft has lots of problems now, but it had a lot of problems before too! It's kind of funny that in 2012 the "old Microsoft" has become some kind of utopia looked back on as if it were driven by technologists in pursuit of technical excellence. In the 1990s, Slashdotters would surely not have thought that. Microsoft in, say, 1997 was not working towards "a common goal of excellence", but some very corporate-strategy driven ideas about where the PC market should go. Arguably that's true of much of what they did in the 1980s, as well.

    3. Re:Finally a good summary by Riceballsan · · Score: 1

      I beliee the point isn't that they ONLY made bad decisions, that would be rediculously simplistic on any front. I believe the point is on the whole the bad decisions have been outweighing the good ones. They aren't growing and increasing in popularity, they are slightly holding onto the markets they had, markets that are in fact shrinking, meanwhile they are pouring massive amounts of money into markets in which they are barely scratching into. IE tablets, phones, search and to a lesser extent video games (I say to a lesser extent because the X-Box seems to be the one new market that they aren't virtually unnoticed in)

    4. Re:Finally a good summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because during the last 10 years many MS products have finally become as usable as they should have been 10 years ago.

      We are very sorry about this and will fix it with the upcoming Windows 8.

      Regards,
      Microsoft

    5. Re:Finally a good summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So your criteria for success is that they are now where they should have been 10 years ago? I agree that many of their products have become much less unusable, but is that something to cheer about?

    6. Re:Finally a good summary by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2

      It was no utopia. It sickens me to see major journalists - in Vanity Fair, even! - spout this nonsense. In 1997, Microsoft was an (illegal) monopoly, and could do whatever it wanted. In 2012, they actually have competitors the same size as them, and surprise, they're losing.

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    7. Re:Finally a good summary by IntlHarvester · · Score: 1

      It's more commentary on the technology industry in general. As soon as something actually works correctly, it becomes "legacy" and all the money goes off chasing the "next big thing".

      From a general user perspective, PC operating systems didn't become a solved problem until Windows 7 (and OS X circa 10.4, and Ubuntu, etc.) Not coincidentally, soon afterward everyone decided they really wanted a smartphone and tablet.

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  9. New markets by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft failed to conquer a number of new markets over that past decade. Social networking, tablets/smart phones, etc. -- Microsoft is just not winning, and their old strategies of monopoly abuse are not going to help them.

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    1. Re:New markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Microsoft LONG AGO conquered what they ride on: Operating Systems (as well as Office Suites) at the combined Server + PC Desktop level instead - and no one has managed to unseat them in either.

    2. Re:New markets by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Fair point, but then again they came from nowhere and became the number one console manufacturer, and even more incredibly are now cooler than Sony and Nintendo in that area. .NET has been pretty big too, but isn't consumer oriented so doesn't get press. They even managed to make Internet Explorer quite usable and secure!

      I'm not a big fan but MS hasn't lost a decade. They got blindsided by phones and tablets, sure, but that battle is far from over.

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    3. Re:New markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL kinda like how they almost missed the internet...

    4. Re:New markets by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But as alternative platforms begin to overwhelm the PC, that victory will become increasingly empty. Being the dominant PC OS maker in a world dominated by smart devices largely running iOS or Android clearly indicates a long term problem.

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    5. Re:New markets by MtHuurne · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the post-PC world will be much like the paperless office...

    6. Re:New markets by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>became the number one console manufacturer, and even more incredibly are now cooler than Sony and Nintendo in that area.

      "Cooler" than Nintendo or Sony? Well that's just a matter of your OPINION because I like my Gamecube and Wii and PS2 games much much more than my Xbox or 360 collection (which mostly involves killing and more killing... they're nearly as boring as watching war movies).

      But number one console manufacturer?

      Pu-leeze. All it took was a search of wikipedia. With the original Xbox they achieved a statistical tie with the Gamecube (~22 million units +/- 3 million measurement error), and were absolutely crushed by the PS2 (only 1/6th as many units sold as ps2). AND NOW the Xbox360 is still stuck in 2nd place..... nowhere near being number one.

      How on earth your post got modded "insightful" by posting the false claim that Xbox is "number one" when in fact it's almost 50 million units behind????? Well it's a mystery.

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    7. Re:New markets by tsa · · Score: 1

      Certainly, there will always be a market for PC software. But at the moment smartphones are still exciting so that's where the money is. I think in 5 years or so that market will be saturated too and the massive growth of Apple, Google and the like will stop. What will they come up with then?

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    8. Re:New markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you can show us offices using smartphones more than PC's? Get back to us then, ok?? Thanks. We'll be waiting for "the 12th of never" for people to be doing office work on smartphones.

    9. Re:New markets by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I think Microsoft will be in the corporate workplace for years to come. That doesnt mean it doesn't have serious problems.

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    10. Re:New markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about markets that they gained in last 10 years? Server market? Enterprise markets? Webserver market - even apple uses Microsoft web servers? MS-SQL? Gaming market? etc...

    11. Re:New markets by Karlt1 · · Score: 1

      "Fair point, but then again they came from nowhere and became the number one console manufacturer, and even more incredibly are now cooler than Sony and Nintendo in that area. "

      And they lost billions in the process.....

    12. Re:New markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The paperless office never came about because, along with the tools to use less paper, came cheap and easy printing. There's no parallel for the post-PC scenario. Are you claiming that the adoption of non-PC devices is surreptitiously creating a new demand for PCs?

    13. Re:New markets by breeze95 · · Score: 1

      Fair point, but then again they came from nowhere and became the number one console manufacturer, and even more incredibly are now cooler than Sony and Nintendo in that area.

      I'm not a big fan but MS hasn't lost a decade. They got blindsided by phones and tablets, sure, but that battle is far from over.

      Nonsense. Nintendo has the largest market share for game consoles. The most recent statistics shows the Wii with about 46%, Xbox at 35% and PS 3 with 18% market share.

    14. Re:New markets by ignavus · · Score: 1

      I think the post-PC world will be much like the paperless office...

      We achieved the paperless office.

      People kept printing so much that we ran out...

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  10. It's not just Microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This article is a microcosm for what's happening in the entire United States.

    1. Re:It's not just Microsoft... by jedidiah · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes. Quite. It's funny how the Lemmings are getting their panties in a bunch over this when this nonsense could easily describe any large corporation in America.

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    2. Re:It's not just Microsoft... by fnj · · Score: 1

      Overlooking Apple and a handful of other exceptions for the moment, yes, absolutely.

    3. Re:It's not just Microsoft... by Teresita · · Score: 1

      Who governs the governors? Entropy.

  11. What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by cdrnet · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Among others a reply from Frank Shaw (MSFT):

    http://www.neowin.net/news/what-the-hell-is-microsofts-lost-decade

    1. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by fnj · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What in that reply goes the SLIGHTEST WAY toward disproving or effectively countering ANY of the article's points? Mindless denial is of course to be expected inside the floundering giant.

    2. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Frank Shaw had me until he mentioned the Xbox; Microsoft's entertainment division has lost them billions. You can tell he's mad, bro, because he wrote "Widows Azure"... little red squiggle not working in internet exploder?

      Billions of customers, but they're not coming, they're going. They're going to Android, they're going to iOS, they're even going to OSX for some reason.

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    3. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They're going to Android, they're going to iOS

      Please, show me the people who are giving up Windows on the desktop for Android on the desktop?

      That's like claiming McDonald's is failing because people are getting gas from a different gas station and getting a fountain drink there.

    4. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by oakgrove · · Score: 1

      I left a windows mobile running HTC apache for an android powered HTC G1. I'm now on a galaxy nexus and windows phone is a long way from pulling me back.

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    5. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Microsoft's lost decade is this

      They stopped being a growth company, and their share price reflects that. Exponential growth followed by a plateau. Since there's inflation the shares have shrunk in real terms.

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    6. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Please, show me the people who are giving up Windows on the desktop for Android on the desktop?

      I've spoken to people ditching their old windows desktop and replacing it with an android phone and an Asus transformer. This kind of thing will only become more common as $100ish super-mini-PCs running Android and meant to connect to your TV become more common, and there are several already. Most people don't need a desktop, and they were talked into buying one by someone who thought laptops are toys, or because they were able to get a desktop very cheap.

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    7. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by mactard · · Score: 1

      In his defense, widows is a word too.

    8. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by sunwukong · · Score: 1

      Easy.

      For example: my mother.

      As a non-techie senior, all she wanted was easy internet computing and a little word processing and spreadsheet on occasion.

      First up: a little Win7 netbook. Worked fine with a USB GSM internet device but it was heavy, bulky, hard to type on, and was inconvenient to switch between English and Traditional Chinese.

      As soon as I introduced her to the iPad, she ditched the netbook and is happily working in both languages.

    9. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by Barlo_Mung_42 · · Score: 1

      Just because they get an iOS device doesn't mean they are leaving Windows. There are over 400 million iOS devices in use (according to Apple) and only 66 million mac users. This means that the vast majority of Apple customers are Windows people.

    10. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      How many owners of iOS devices have a machine running Windows?

    11. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      The only thing invented in the last decade was Active Directory (LDAP with extensions & encryption over a Windows protocol) and Volumes on the harddrive(s).

      Other than that, it's been surface dressing of what already exists.

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    12. Re:What the hell is "Microsoft's lost decade"? by SageinaRage · · Score: 1

      He doesn't seem to get that no one accused Microsoft of collapsing as a company, but effectively coasting on previous success. And the thing about coasting, is that it means you had previously built up momentum. The fact that Microsoft kept making money just meant that they had built up a really strong market share. They just didn't do anything beyond what they already had.

  12. Microsoft have always been about ... by dbIII · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft have always been about coming late to a party someone else started and then trying to steal the limelight. That's not always a bad thing (eg. cheap and nasty workstations and servers that were just good enough made a lot of things possible) and it has worked for them on many occasions, however recently they don't seem to have been able to dominate a niche that they've come into late.
    Note that Apple have been doing that as well, mp3 players, smartphones and tablets were mature before they got involved but they managed to get up to speed quickly enough to dominate those markets
    To sum up, I don't see the last decade as anything different with Microsoft in that area, and I recall articles about toxic office politics at Microsoft (and moreso Apple) well over a decade ago anyway.

    1. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Note that Apple have been doing that as well, mp3 players, smartphones and tablets were mature before they got involved but they managed to get up to speed quickly enough to dominate those markets

      I would argue that the mp3 player was no where near mature when Apple got involved. Smartphones and tablets might have been out long before Apple but they focused mostly on businesses and not consumers so maturity wasn't there for that market.

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    2. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I would argue mp3 players were. An ipod review on this very site said "No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame". The competing devices were very mature, and apart from solid state storage space for the price are not very different to what we see now. Apple brought in itunes, which at least on the Mac was an improvement to the mp3 mainstream, and that changed everything but the mp3 devices themselves were a mature market.

    3. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by mikael · · Score: 1

      Mobile / consumer electronics industry moves fast compared to the workstation market. The whole system is a pipeline of chip IP designs, circuit boards layouts and final OEM products. Each stage only moves onto designing the next generation product once sales start to decline for that product. Workstation vendors designed everything from the ground up in parallel over a few years. PC's are just a mish-mash of whatever components work together the best for that particular month based on commodity prices.

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    4. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Depends on how you define mature: There were products. Before the iPod you could get a clunky large player the size of a portable CD player that could hold GBs of music. Or a poket sized flash model that could hold at most 128MB. But nothing if wanted a small but high capacity player. There was no integrated managment/media player. Transferring music was largely file based. The UI was decent if you had a few dozen songs. More than that, it was cumbersome to handle hundreds if not a thousand songs as it was file/directory based and not metadata based. The iPod was not largely technically superior to the Nomad. It however had enough features and polish that it won. For you average consumer that meant little things like auto-syncing only requiring them to hook up the cable, iTunes knowing which files to sync, etc.

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    5. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I disagree strongly. All of those improvements you mentioned are independant of the mp3 hardware (which was overpriced crap in comparison to everything else), but were instead vertical integration that just happened to use hardware that isn't very different apart from storage capacity to what we see today.

    6. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      First of all I had both Diamond Rio and a Creative Nuvo. Neither of which included a ripper or encoder. So how were you supposed to get MP3s onto your computer much less the device (other than illegal downloads)? At the time also these were separate programs. You could pay for software that did but neither of my devices came with it. Windows Media Player didn't come with one either as it didn't encode MP3; Instead it was defaulted to encode in WMA which isn't exactly a standard. You could download codecs to do so but that was separate. And we haven't gotten to buying music online legally which was a few years away. It seems to me that if your product is an MP3 player, you should assist your customers in creating MP3s otherwise they have nothing to play.

      Second of all, it wasn't a grand feat of coding to ensure that the user experience was as seamless as possible. It was extra work that Apple did that no one was willing to do at the time. Since then every player has understood these were necessary steps.

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    7. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Did you read any of my posts or are you just seeing the keyword "mp3"?
      I'll repeat it one more time in a different way - I'm describing the players and not the iTunes store, the computer software, or anything else external to the device.
      And yes, back then I WAS ripping and encoding back before commercial software for it was available or even the standalone players existed, so I really don't think you have a point there either. That software was around for years before Apple tied a vertically integrated stack to a mediocre player. All the parts were there and had been in use for sometime before Apple came into a mature market and tied it together so much better than anyone had before that they almost owned it within a couple of years.

    8. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Are you reading any of my points at all? You keep saying that the market was "mature" yet the UIs were clunky, the devices came with absolutely no software, and it was a pain to do little things like sync. Where was the maturity?

      You keep narrowky defining maturity as you as a geek figured it out and in your world, the average consumer does not exist. So let's talk a out that: how is a player UI based entirely on file directory more mature than one based on metadata? Tell me how a market is mature if you have to decide between portability and capacity in players? For the large capacity players, if you used batteries, you had to change them out every few hours.

      It was a fledging, niche market. These players were geek gadgets not mainstream consumer devices. I personally don't think the original iPod was quite there until generation 2 or 3.

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    9. Re:Microsoft have always been about ... by dbIII · · Score: 1

      My "narrow" definition is the device I named and not the support structure on a connected computer and the internet - which are different things!

  13. Poor Nokia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well the article points out that the iPhone sells more than all of Microsoft sales combined. But I feel sorry from Nokia. From number 1 to number none, all because they hired a failed Microsoft executive as their CEO.

    1. Re:Poor Nokia by fnj · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They got what they deserved from that asinine move.

    2. Re:Poor Nokia by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

      Nokia will be purchased by Microsoft for their patent portfolio as soon as Microsoft starts shipping their own mobile phones.

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  14. Group think in action ... by giorgist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Group think has set in such that slowly politics has created an environment where the top management do not hear dissenting voices, so somehow they can do no wrong.

    It is natures great recycler.

    1. Re:Group think in action ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Strangely enough, I thought you were talking about the anti-MS crowd on /. until you said 'management'

  15. Ah Good... by humanrev · · Score: 1

    I was waiting for my daily "Microsoft-is-failing" article. That's always a sign of a quality tech site.

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    1. Re:Ah Good... by Mabhatter · · Score: 1

      But MANY of the reasons for Bosses continuing to buy Microsoft products were because they were a winner on Wall Street. At the Enterprise level it was always about being associated with how great Microsoft was run. What you are seeing Is "blood in the water" which is long, long overdue. Apple has shown Microsoft can be beat by inventing a NEW game Microsoft cannot play. The last five years in particular have shown that if you have a solid product the threat of Microsoft throwing all their money into copying you doesn't mean to give up and go home any more.

      The fundamental thing to take away is that Microsoft isn't DANGEROUS to the little fish any more if you are sharp enough. Apple is really staying to their own playground, so ey are not too threatening either. Basically you are seeing the mainstream press publish that the little fish can come out to play, and have a shot at doing really well. At means YOUR BOSS is going to start getting the hint that things without "M$" on them MIT just be OK to buy!

  16. Here's what MS execs said: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On Apple's OS:
    'E-mails flew around Microsoft, expressing dismay about the quality of Tiger. To executives’ disbelief, it contained functional equivalents of Avalon and WinFS. “It was fucking amazing,” wrote Lenn Pryor, part of the Longhorn team. “It is like I just got a free pass to Longhorn land today.”'

    "“It was a bloated mishmash of folks,” said Johann Garcia, a former Microsoft product manager who worked on the Bing project. “They had two or three times the number of people they needed. There were just so many layers of people.”"

    etc etc.

    You may not see it, but MS exces can see it, I can see it, WallStreet can see it. Yet you can't see it. Are you Ballmer?

  17. Monopoly by markdavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >"Fiefdoms had taken root, and a mastery of internal politics emerged as key to career success. In those years Microsoft had stepped up its efforts to cripple competitors"

    Welcome to life at a huge, fat monopoly. At least it seems like they hit an ace with UEFI, further stifling competition and removing consumer freedom and choice.

    Looks like Apple is falling into the same trap in their niche markets where they were also a near monopoly (tablets/phones).... instead of opening up, offering product choices, lowering prices, they are spending all their effort trying to sue everyone into submission.

    1. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple have recently been caught steeling their iphone design from Sony circa 2006, even using Sony's logo in their designs to compare to the garbage Apple were working on at the time. They not only stole Sony's design, they dropped their own and went straight ahead with Sony's as their own product. Absolutely shocking. Sony, in theory, should be able to tear Apple apart over this corporate theft, and all of Apple's "design" (rounded corners BS) lawsuits should soon be overturned (outside Apple friendly US judges fiefdoms) with prejudice.

    2. Re:Monopoly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I agree, I work for a huge conglomerate the description on microsoft's could be used word for word on my company - it is a huge problem, I think it is particularly bad in American companies dominated by American MBA management

    3. Re:Monopoly by sunspot42 · · Score: 2

      Illiterate, much?

      One of Apple's designers did a mockup of what they thought a Sony smartphone with the capabilities of the iPhone would look like, sporting circa-1983 Sony design cues:

      http://www.theverge.com/2012/7/26/3189297/sony-inspired-iphone-design-images#3597459

      It's a great riff on Sony's once iconic sense of design, now apparently long forgotten by the parent company.

      Note that Apple couldn't have been "steeling" the iPhone's design from Sony, because the morons running Sony in 2005 had no products like the iPhone and, indeed, virtually nothing made by the company at that point utilized design cues from the company's 1980's heyday. Which is probably one of the reasons why Sony is circling the drain.

      Also note that the final design of the iPhone looked nothing like those Sony-inspired prototypes. Everything from the shape to the buttons and switches was different. The iPhone actually ended up looking a lot more like something Rams would have designed for Braun (just as the iPod before it had).

      Jobs never made it a secret he admired the '50s and '60s designs of Braun's Dieter Rams and Sony's Rams-inspired designs from the '70s and '80s. I think most people with a bit of taste probably do.

  18. Doubled the net income? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They made a loss last quarter, in what sense did he double the net income?

  19. 'Terrible article'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's only terrible to Microsoft astroturfer shills and those who have plenty of MSFT shares.
    The article is as comprehensive and as factual as it can be.
    Steve Ballmer is nothing but a boisterous used car salesman and bean counter. I'm quite surprised he's still in charge at Microsoft.
    The demise of Microsoft will come. Windows 8 will hasten that demise.
    Microsoft has hired brilliant people, but buried them with red tape and bullshit politicking.
    Even now, Microsoft is split into two major factions: the pro-Sinofsky camp and the anti-Sinofsky camp.
    A house divided unto itself cannot stand.

  20. Rome, Britain, America... by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    IBM, Microsoft, Apple. The HNIC loses something sitting at the top looking down that the up & climbers still have. Why yes, the en does stand for nerd.

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  21. 3..2..1.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Queue the Micro$oft fanboys

    1. Re:3..2..1.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's "cue".

    2. Re:3..2..1.. by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

      What, we're not putting them in a line to be marched off somewhere?

  22. Re: Check any lockeroom by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    Not the coach, veterans, a philosophy, or a legacy breeds "chemistry" as fast as winning. Sometimes it'll even shut your wide receiver up.

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  23. Departmental Politics by EmagGeek · · Score: 2

    This is the same phenomenon that destroys all large corporations slowly from the inside.

    There may be one product, but different departments responsible for different parts of that product are given competing and incompatible goals by upper management, the theory being that this will create the cheapest, highest quality solution - when the exact opposite is true.

  24. PE of 15, yet 194 billion buy back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frank Shaws comments that they've returned 194 billion in dividends and stock buybacks to shareholders. This is not true, if the buy backs haven't increased the share-price, then none of that is returned. What they've done is waste all that buy-back money for no effect!

    Also he posted it on Facebook, not Microsoft Live which is very telling.

  25. And do not forget... by nerdyalien · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I RTFA the whole article... but IMO, it has forgot one or two things....

    M$ vs DOJ: If you have read daily technology news back in 90s, you might remember how narrowly M$ escaped from a major anti-trust case. Since then, M$ had to play nice with DOJ to avoid getting the worm can re-opened. So it is somewhat obvious M$ didn't work aggressively in taking over other markets in last decade. All the new players, they do not have to answer DOJ for any anti-trust violations. So... new players are very lucky when it comes to approaching new markets.. be it search, consumer media, social networking etc.

    At the very heart of the DOJ case...M$ was accused of "locking-in" customers for their products. And now, fast forward to 2012... Apple is literally locking in consumers behind their gardened walls with a plethora of their own hardware and software, Google & FB literally collecting private details from its consumers. Playing the devil's advocate here, I wonder how come they are not scrutinised intensely ?

    M$ massive hiring spree: Though I can't exactly remember the figures and fact, I believe M$'s staff count has gone up by few folds since the turn of the century. Though I am not sure what's the reason behind this; but I am pretty sure this is the real reason why wheels started getting off. More staff means more HR to handle them. My best guess for this 'staff head count inflation' is, having lot of cash in bank.

    But my overall conclusion is... markets are wide open only for a brief period of time. One can concur that market only during that brief moment. Late comers will always have to play "do or die" battle before totally convert the market to their camp, or die an early shameful death. M$'s biggest issue it seems, not discovering wide open markets to concur like the rest.

    Having said all that, during last decade, M$ consumer products have become more stable and secure than in 90s. That's something worth noting.

    Also, I would like to see Steven Sinofsky to head the Redmond camp after Ballmer... looking at his track record, I believe he can stop this plunging boat from drowning.

    p.s
    I have to agree that 'management style' in M$ is somewhat deleterious. My software house has this ghastly 6-month review cycle despite being a SMB. In the most recent review, I was accused of not having any initiatives during work by the reviewing HR boss. My sad situation is, my technical boss disagrees with my initiatives. To avoid annoying him too much, and get the team working on one direction; I have learnt to suspend my ideas and just to be a "yes-boss" guy. But would the HR boss understand my situation fully? Personally, I put lot of hours in writing well-polished reliable code. In return, both my bosses are nit-picking on me. IMO, these reviews are good for "failing" employees.. but the rest, why bother.. just throw them free candy or coffee.

    1. Re:And do not forget... by michael_cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      At the very heart of the DOJ case...M$ was accused of "locking-in" customers for their products. And now, fast forward to 2012... Apple is literally locking in consumers behind their gardened walls with a plethora of their own hardware and software, Google & FB literally collecting private details from its consumers. Playing the devil's advocate here, I wonder how come they are not scrutinised intensely?

      Such behavior is illegal only if you have a sufficiently large share of a properly defined product market. MS apparently got terrible legal advice in the 1990s (or ignored good advice); someone should have been telling them that they were dominant enough in their principle market space (personal computer operating systems) that the rules were different. Apple holds less than 20% of the global market for smartphones, a distant second behind Samsung for the most recently finished quarter. That's not enough market share to get you in trouble. Google appears ready to settle their antitrust case in the EU, and the FTC announced several months ago an investigation of Google's business practices in the US. And it's difficult to define an applicable "market" where Facebook dominates, since they don't charge their users.

    2. Re:And do not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Peter Gibbons: The thing is, Bob, it's not that I'm lazy, it's that I just don't care.
      Bob Porter: Don't... don't care?
      Peter Gibbons: It's a problem of motivation, all right? Now if I work my ass off and Initech ships a few extra units, I don't see another dime, so where's the motivation? And here's something else, Bob: I have eight different bosses right now.
      Bob Slydell: I beg your pardon?
      Peter Gibbons: Eight bosses.
      Bob Slydell: Eight?
      Peter Gibbons: Eight, Bob. So that means that when I make a mistake, I have eight different people coming by to tell me about it. That's my only real motivation is not to be hassled, that and the fear of losing my job. But you know, Bob, that will only make someone work just hard enough not to get fired.

    3. Re:And do not forget... by Swampash · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apple doesn't care about market share. Apple cares about making products.

    4. Re:And do not forget... by Mabhatter · · Score: 2

      There are two kinds of lawyers. MOST lawyers are there to mitigate disputes. Courts and precedent are fairly clear for 80% of cases. So lawyers advise you to follow the rules. About 20% are the M&A guys, the ambulance chasers, divorces, etc. the "we'll make it legal" lawyers. Gates father was partner in such a firm, with a stake in Microsoft doing well, so you can see how they gave the advice the client wanted to here and not based on the law.

      I always find it interesting how when I explain to my company's bosses how they could run things like Microsoft, they usually shut me down because such TALK in most industries opens you to legal liabilities... Just the TALK... But the same business guys happily put all their cash into Microsoft because they make so much money.

    5. Re:And do not forget... by Swampash · · Score: 1

      Apple's goal is not to make money, but to make good products, said Jonathan Ive, senior vice president of industrial design at Apple, speaking at the British Embassy's Creative Summit.

      "We are really pleased with our revenues but our goal isn't to make money. It sounds a little flippant, but it's the truth. Our goal and what makes us excited is to make great products. If we are successful people will like them and if we are operationally competent, we will make money," he said.

      http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-07/30/jonathan-ive-revenue-good-design

  26. It's Hard To Argue with Free by RudyHartmann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In times past Microsoft would find a nice add-in product for their software and then bundle a cloned version of it for free. Remember Stac Electronics? The disk compression Microsoft put in the next version of MSDOS was not better than Stac's, but it was free. Stac only won some money in a lawsuit, but was essentially destroyed. I think to this day developers are still mindful of this predilection. Now this same thing is happening to the cash cows of Microsoft: Windows and Office. Linux and LibreOffice are the nemesis of Microsoft's flagship products. Another product for the server world is Exchange. Exchange virtually forces the use of Outlook. No other Windows or Linux client can properly work with it. This is a strategy MS uses to delay the inevitable. Don't you think /. is read by MS employees? They can read the signs of the times. They just can't show their strategy to carry them through this. This lost decade is the decade of dealing with free alternatives. Microsoft is reaping what they have sown. You can't perpetuate the monopoly on Windows and Office alone anymore. I'll say it again:

    It's hard to argue with free.

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    1. Re:It's Hard To Argue with Free by pastafazou · · Score: 1

      ya, that's why free Linux has replaced expensive Windows everywhere, and free Open Office has replaced Microsoft Office everywhere, and free Android smartphones with a 3 year contract have completely killed off the $99 and $199 3 Year contract iPhones. There are hundreds of examples that completely disprove your theory. Free programming languages, compilers, etc that haven't killed off the paid for development solutions, Adobe Acrobat vs a multitude of free PDF creation tools, free antivirus software vs paid for antivirus software, Flash vs free competitors, etc

    2. Re:It's Hard To Argue with Free by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

      Just because it hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean it's not going to. Linux has no large marketing department to grab "Man of The Street" mind-share like other companies. Nor does any other quality FOSS package. I was asked by a friend, "If Linux is so good, why doesn't everybody know about it?". My answer, no consumer magazine commercials or TV ads. But when Dell, HP, Asus, Lenovo, etc. start delivering nice boxes or tablets with Linux installed, the awareness will increase. Have you seen all the developers finally hiring people to port their stuff to Linux lately? This isn't happening for no reason.

      If I'm wrong the universe will continue. But catastrophism has often been the major agent of change in the universe.

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    3. Re:It's Hard To Argue with Free by badatnicknames · · Score: 0

      Lock in was how MS got so much control. Without they are actually forced to respond more to market forces like everybody else.

    4. Re:It's Hard To Argue with Free by Clovert+Agent · · Score: 1

      ya, that's why free Linux has replaced expensive Windows everywhere

      Just so. You're referring to Android's market share, I take it?

  27. We finally got stable and usable Windows Versions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if that's a lost decade I'm alright with that.

  28. Short: by pastafazou · · Score: 1

    Ballmer sucks. Bad.

  29. Corporations ARE the Modern Version of Fiefdoms by Advocatus+Diaboli · · Score: 1

    That is because Corporations are the Modern Version of Fiefdoms (http://bit.ly/MSfvml) with a fatal obsession for "Metrics and Productivity" (http://bit.ly/tB6o8I) both which can be easily gamed. Furthermore their supposed focus on shareholder value makes them susceptible to short-termism (http://bit.ly/McEkgs) as the reward system is rather dystopic (http://bit.ly/LYEke4).

  30. Lost decade? Not quite by JDG1980 · · Score: 1

    From the perspective of Microsoft's core markets, last decade wasn't really "lost". You could more accurately say there was a lost half-decade from 2004 to 2009. But Microsoft's bread and butter is the business/power-user desktop, and Windows 7 is the best desktop OS ever produced. As for Office, I know this will be controversial to say, but the Ribbon actually was a welcome change – once you get used to it (which doesn't really take that long), it's a lot more user-friendly than the old nested menus.

    Microsoft is losing its way now, chasing the chimera of Apple-sized smartphone and tablet profits, while forgetting the core customers who count on them to provide the tools to do serious work (or, in some cases, serious gaming). Windows 8 is shaping up to be another Vista-sized flop, and we can only hope it will end with Ballmer out on the street and Microsoft returning to its senses.

    1. Re:Lost decade? Not quite by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

      While many might have Microsoft Derangement Syndrome, I do not. I certainly am not saying you do either. I like Windows 7. It's not bad. I use MS Office 2010 at work right now. I think it's pretty good. But I like Linux and LibreOffice better. It also think Outlook 2010 is the best email client I have ever used.

      I don't really like Windows 8 though.

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    2. Re:Lost decade? Not quite by jader3rd · · Score: 1

      Windows 8 is shaping up to be another Vista-sized flop

      I keep on hearing that Vista was a flop, but looking at their quarterly reports the Windows division kept on making money the quarters that Vista was their latest OS. Now it's true that they may have spent more money making Vista than what they earned back from it (I haven't seen any data on that one way or the other), but from what data I've seen Vista earned Microsoft money. Given that it's a business, I struggle to call a positive ROI a flop.

      The only time the Windows division has lost money was this past quarter. So by that standard Win 7 is the worst OS they've produced, it's the only one to have lost money in a quarter. Now that could be interperted in multiple ways: Win 7 is such a success that everyone bought it right when it came out and so there's no need to buy it now (2.5 years later), or enough of the market likes Win 8 that they're holding out for Win 8 later this year and aren't buying more copies of Win 7 now. At least Vista was able to constantly turn a profit.

    3. Re:Lost decade? Not quite by mj01nir · · Score: 1

      My memory is shaky on this, but I believe quite a large number of machines with OEM Vista licenses shipped with XP installed, via downgrade rights. I know the organizations I was working with at the time bought quite a few HP machines configured this way. MS kept extending XP's availability in this way, somewhat masking the almost complete lack of interest in Vista for corporate clients.

      What failed to happen was a mass migration to Vista by corporations. They mostly just waited for Win 7.

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    4. Re:Lost decade? Not quite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh.. not strange Microsoft was making money from Vista. It was installed on every bloody computer bought in that era..

      A big chunk of the people that got Vista pushed down their throats used the "back to XP" offer, but still that counted as a "Vista sale" - not an "XP sale. Also - a lot of people buying an slightly older model with Vista on it, take the opportunity to upgrade to Windows 7 as soon as possinble - also those units count as "Vista sold". So - claiming Vista was popular by looking at the amount of units sold is a little bit out of touch with reality (and now I am keeping this remark friendly).

  31. Bigger is better? by MtHuurne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The article's author seems to think that Microsoft should have conquered those new markets. But what about the opposite approach: don't even try to enter those markets. Why should a company always try to become bigger even in areas that are not its strength?

    In particular, why should Microsoft be in the smart phone business? It's not like smart phones will replace PCs. They are behind Apple and Google in terms of features, mind share and available 3rd party applications; to succeed they must either do the same thing much better (like Apple with the iPod) or do something different to make their platform stand out. If they don't have the ideas for that, it's better in my opinion to stay out of the market altogether rather than make a "me too" product.

    1. Re:Bigger is better? by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why should Microsoft be in the smart phone business? It's not like smart phones will replace PCs

      I would not be so sure about that one. Smartphone OSes seem to work pretty well on tablets, and I suspect that within 5 years we'll be seeing them on low-end laptops or in some sort of laptop/tablet hybrids (not rotating screen, but perhaps removable/easy to hide keyboard). It is also the case that a large number of common computing tasks can now be done using only a tablet or smartphone.

      The point here is that Microsoft's relevance in personal computing is fading somewhat.

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    2. Re:Bigger is better? by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

      >Why should a company always try to become bigger even in areas that are not its strength?

      Because those new areas may compete with the old areas, and because stagnation is death.

    3. Re:Bigger is better? by Kergan · · Score: 2

      Except that you're completely missing out on the ongoing disruption in IT. In a few years, Joe six-pack and your mom will be on a tablet or a smart phone as their primary (personal) devise. Not to mention developing countries, which are currently being introduced to IT through tablets and smart phones. Most households, in that context, will not have a PC. And I'd bet the horse on the fact that many business uses of PCs will have been replaced by the smart phones and tablets too -- eg doctors, machine tool programming, sales.

      So, by your argument, MS should just wither and die. I don't think they want that to happen. :-)

    4. Re:Bigger is better? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Fine lets look at Microsofts bread and butter?

      How many people still use XP and refuse to upgrade? How many OFfice 2003 users are out there? 10 years ago during Gates reign how many people still ran 10 year old office and operating systems? My point exactly.

      MS is losing existing customers too and the expansion in Asia who are first time computer buyers hid the stagnation. Now since they all have computers revenue will reflect the stagnation as well. MS needs new areas to remain competitive or figure out how to make a new version of Windows sexy with loads of features that MacOSX has?

      Windows 7 is years behind. The only thing MS did good at is ASLR security in which Mountain Lion finally caught up in. Apple is ahead in power usage, applet support (Metro is a joke and not integrated like MacOSX), social features, voice dictation, cloud features, and so on. Windows 7 is just well stable and dull and lacking in comparison.

      As an XP loyalists on one of the tech forums said. It is XP with 3x the ram requirements with a pretty interface. Why upgrade?

    5. Re:Bigger is better? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      More like if they don't, they can be sued bu their shareholders.

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    6. Re:Bigger is better? by walshy007 · · Score: 1

      As an XP loyalists on one of the tech forums said. It is XP with 3x the ram requirements with a pretty interface. Why upgrade?

      Try running 16gb ram on that xp machine and see how much fun you have.

      While I've been a linux user for the last fifteen years the last windows I spent some time with was xp. Using it on a modern machine is insane because it can't possibly address the memory. It is now relegated to vm's if wine can't handle something although that is rare.

      Running xp on a machine with 16gb of ram is just stupid.

    7. Re:Bigger is better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like smart phones will replace PCs

      Imagine a docking station with a monitor, mouse and keyboard attached, for a smartphone that provides an interface suitable for desktop use when used with those periphials. We're not there yet, but it will happen.

    8. Re:Bigger is better? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      But what about the opposite approach: don't even try to enter those markets. Why should a company always try to become bigger even in areas that are not its strength?

      Because the world changes. Remember SGI? They completely owned the graphics workstation market. Then a few of their engineers realised that they could make something that wasn't as good as their workstation products, but could be sold cheaply enough to be a mass-market product. They took it to management, who said that they didn't want to enter a new market and that they were happy with their place in their existing one. So the engineers left and founded nVidia. Now, if you want to buy a 3D workstation, you typically by a commodity computer and a high-end nVidia GPU. Within a few years, nVidia was outspending SGI on R&D, because although their per-unit profits were much lower their volume was orders of magnitude higher.

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    9. Re:Bigger is better? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Many users are choosing to buy a new smartphone instead of replace their desktop or laptop. For the few hundred dollars/pound or thousand kronar, you can buy a small PC (the smartphone) that has GPS, can view web-pages, allow you to visit Google Streetview, download documents as well as make phone calls and send SMS messages.Microsoft make their big bucks from selling an OS with every sale of a new PC, and lesser so when customers bought upgrade packs to a new OS.

      They have to get into the smartphone market - they would be mad not to. There are a whole load of things that could be fixed or done better:

      1. Text editing - the actual text edit box for sending messages is insane. It won't let you shrink the whole page so that you can see it in the screen. It "fixes" the size of the text for you. Then when you are typing along, for no apparent reason it will try and jump back to the opposite side of text box to where you want to type.
      You can't even move the cursor to where you want the text to go, because it then starts jumping left and right.

      2. Enabling/disabling wi-fi. You have to close whatever screen you are in, just to get at the settings menu to enable/disable wi-fi / network operator. Then you have to restart whatever window you are using.

      3. Swype - The idea of just selecting a word based on a path traced by your finger seems a nice idea, but there are so many long words that you end up having to
      type them in automatically. Even worse, it will replace the word that you want to use with something completely out of context.

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    10. Re:Bigger is better? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (And developers will write their applications on a screen keypad on a tablet, and students their homework on a phone and... right? I do not think so, but if some people try to make true post-PC it may become indeed dangerous.)

  32. Re:Monkeyboy needs Thorazine by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

    While much of your MS history is accurate, the conspiracy theories are not reasonable. Microsoft is not the Illuminati. This kind of speculation is not helpful.

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  33. Duh! by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    So, MS has become what it said it would never do....it has become a "suit & tie" corporation. It's a BUSINESS, not a frat house.

  34. Mini-Microsoft weighs in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As usual, MM blogs about disappointing product campaigns, while his (mostly insider) anonymous talk about stack ranking and the broken employee review system:

  35. But that is 1023 years in .... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    It could be just 10 years in human life, but in dog years it is 70 and in cyber dog year it is (2^10 - 1) that is 1023 years.

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  36. No. 1 console maker? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles), Nintendo Wii sold more units than both Xbox and Xbox 360. While Xbox 360 outsold Sony Playstation 3 by a few million units, combined sales of all Playstation models are several times higher than sales of both Xbox models. So what makes you say that Microsoft is the number one console manufacturer?

    Moreover, unlike sales of smartphones and tablets, sales of game consoles are stagnating already. So it's pointless to argue whether Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony is the No. 1 or coolest console manufacturer.

    1. Re:No. 1 console maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't go by console sales no one makes $$ from the sale of the console cept with maybe the exception now with the wii, go by software sales for the console. lots of people have wii's with wii sports and wii fit being the only games they own. microsoft sells the games and thats what developers want.

    2. Re:No. 1 console maker? by sunspot42 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's worse than that - Microsoft dumped something like $30 billion over the course of a decade into their home entertainment division, the vast majority of it spent on the Xbox and Xbox 360. They only started showing quarterly profits a couple of years ago - mostly from software, not hardware sales - and last I checked at the rate they're going it'll take them over a decade just to recoup their initial investment assuming software sales and prices hold up (which they haven't and won't on now-obsolete hardware). In other words, their investment in the console business will never even manage to break even.

      Compare and contrast with Apple, which spent far, far less developing and launching both the iPhone and iPad, products which turned a profit almost immediately.

      The console business has been a disaster for Microsoft since the beginning, and it's been a world of hurt for Sony since the launch of the PS3. The problem is, both Microsoft and Sony spent massive fortunes developing and subsidizing the "bleeding edge" hardware for their latest generation of consoles. By the time manufacturing costs came down to the point where they could realize hefty profits on both hardware and software sales for their platforms, Nintendo had stolen a good chunk of the market away with the cheaper Wii. Worse, all three consoles are now effectively obsolete, and they (and their software vendors) are competing with mobile devices from Apple and the Android vendors for consumers' dollars. And the mobile devices are crushing the consoles in the race for consumer dollars.

      The Xbox 360 was supposed to last Microsoft until 2015, but if the Wii U is a success later this year, it'll likely decimate both hardware and software sales of Microsoft's outdated console. While Microsoft could unload another $20 billion designing, manufacturing and subsidizing a next-gen console, I just don't see how they can hope to ever turn a profit on that business. It's a lose-lose situation for Microsoft in the console business. If they don't shell out another $20 billion, they effectively drop out and never make their investment back. If they shell out $20 billion, they'll probably still end up an also-ran and never make their money back.

      Of course, they could do something less elaborate with their next gen console, but they'll have already lost prime mover advantage to Nintendo, and lackluster hardware will rapidly be eclipsed by ever-cheaper PCs and increasingly capable mobile devices. In other words, their "next gen" system would have a shelf life of about 3 years. They'd have to produce something really cheap to make those numbers pan out, and it's hard to see developers expending a lot of effort on a platform they know is gonna be dead in under 5 years.

      And of course Apple could completely wreck Microsoft's console business by using the firehose of cash they're getting from their mobile business to produce their own console. Subsidize a halfway decent box and follow the iPhone's cheap software strategy - keep the price of most titles under $20 - and you'd cripple Microsoft. They'd hemorrhage billions before being forced out of the market with their tail between their legs.

      I think Microsoft's even more screwed than the conventional wisdom thinks they are. Their mobile strategy is a shambles, their console business will never turn a profit (and could end up costing them another $10-$20 billion), they're an also-ran in the cloud, and their OS and office applications monopolies are increasingly threatened by Apple in the home, and by Linux and cloud-based applications in the workplace.

      Their patent portfolio is formidable, but then, so was Kodak's.

      I think they have about 5 years left to turn it around before they begin a rapid slide into irrelevance, and I don't think there's a snowball's chance in hell that Ballmer could lead such a turnaround.

    3. Re:No. 1 console maker? by cpu6502 · · Score: 0

      >>>The Xbox 360 was supposed to last Microsoft until 2015, but if the Wii U is a success later this year, it'll likely decimate both hardware and software sales of Microsoft's outdated console.

      That reminds me:
      In order to further deciminate Microsoft (whom I hate), I bought a "banned" X360 from ebay that can play DVD-R games that the seller generously provided. Problem is: I don't know where to find those downloadable games. A search on isohunt.com turned-up a few but nowhere near the whole 360 library. (thanks)

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    4. Re:No. 1 console maker? by Kergan · · Score: 1

      Apple (...) could (...) produce their own console.

      Which one are you thinking about? The iPhone, the iPod touch, the iPad or yet another device that would be redundant with Apple TV when they introduce the app store on the latter?

    5. Re:No. 1 console maker? by am+2k · · Score: 1

      Compare and contrast with Apple, which spent far, far less developing and launching both the iPhone and iPad, products which turned a profit almost immediately.

      Don't be so sure about that... the iPad was in development for about a decade before it launched. Being so secretive, we'll probably never know what the total R&D costs were, but they sure weren't low.

    6. Re:No. 1 console maker? by dithered · · Score: 1

      I think it's going to be much longer than 5 years--even if they continue to bumble along. There is a lot of inertia behind Microsoft in the form of software and driver support. On my gaming box, I have a Creative X-Fi Titanium HD card that's connected to a home theater receiver. It uses DTS Connect to convert game audio to DTS for the receiver in real time. The Linux drivers available for this card don't support DTS Connect or Dolby Digital Live. I'd have to give up my home theater setup and use some low quality 5.1 PC speakers if I switched to another operating system. My music player of choice, Foobar 2000, is Windows only. Nvidia graphics card drivers for MacOS and Linux are less performant than the Windows drivers. Many businesses have got suckered into putting everything on Sharepoint, and they'll be stuck with it for many years. Microsoft is still clearly the dominant desktop operating system, and it'll take more than a few years of Balmer blunders before they become irrelevant to me.

    7. Re:No. 1 console maker? by sunspot42 · · Score: 1

      None of those devices have the horsepower to compete with the Xbox 360, let alone the Wii U or whatever Microsoft has coming in 2015.

      However, Apple has its own chipset designers. They could easily pump out a souped up ARM CPU coupled to a formidable graphics chipset. Not bleeding edge, but cheap and at least as good as the Xbox 360 or PS3, while also being largely compatible with the iPad and iPhone (making this "new" console very attractive to developers, and giving it an enormous library almost overnight).

      I don't know if Apple will do such a thing, but they could, and they could do it on the cheap - well under a billion, which is peanuts in the console business. Even if it doesn't fly as a console, they could always re-purpose it as the next Apple TV (or as the core of their rumored television set).

      And if it does take off, well, they'd not only make a lot of money off of it, they'd also be screwing both Microsoft and Sony, which would make a lot of folks in Cupertino very, very happy. In fact even if it isn't a rousing success, just having another viable player in the console space would drain resources at Microsoft and Sony.

    8. Re:No. 1 console maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Libertarian thief strikes again...

    9. Re:No. 1 console maker? by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      You mean making a copy. Nothing has been "thieved".

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    10. Re:No. 1 console maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, yeah, doubleplusgood libertarian thief.

    11. Re:No. 1 console maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course Apple could completely wreck Microsoft's console business by using the firehose of cash they're getting from their mobile business to produce their own console.

      HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

      I really appreciate that.. much needed laughter! And no, this isn't about Apple decimating anything... it is about games + Apple. :D So friggin' funny!

    12. Re:No. 1 console maker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing has been "thieved".

      From your own mouth...

      Non-payment of workers' wages is stealing. It's theft of Labor. It doesn't matter if the worker is a guy in a factory or a guy writing a book.

      When will you learn that your slashdot posts don't just magically disappear like they do on 4chan?

  37. Just the CEO by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Well, CEO is just the CEO. What do we know about Windows project team leaders, key developers, etc? Decisions on that level must have also had a meaningful impact to awesomeness of Windows 7, suckiness of Windows 8, and other things.

    1. Re:Just the CEO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were the same; demand that partner companies assign their "brightest employees" to the Microsoft project. That squished rival products if not burn out that partner company altogether, while Microsoft kept rolling along.

  38. You are right by Strange+Attractor · · Score: 1

    I picked up a paper copy of it yesterday by chance and quit reading after the first page or so. The article was effusive about the great creative years of Microsoft. I think they became rich by exploiting a monopoly that they inherited from IBM and imitating existing products in ways that precluded interoperation. I quit reading the article because I thought the author understood neither the history nor the technology.

  39. not the turn of the century, at least 5 yrs earlie by Locutus · · Score: 1

    Just look for the court docs regarding Microsoft's Java dealings to see where developers would get kicked in the mouth for trying to be the best software. These were the days where Bill Gates was in command and the desktop OS was king and they owned the King's throne.

    IMHO, they have been stagnating because they used the desktop OS market position to kill off the competition by bloating that OS time and time again. Look at how they were willing to spread the IE code throughout the OS DLLs just to show in court it was part of the OS. So they really have not been able to take a bloated mess of an OS with a monopoly position and take that to other sectors like PDAs, media players, phones, and tablets. Without a mains power connection that kind of software can't compete with those who are willing, and have the know how, to build efficient software for the sake of competition. Using the word "competition" in the sense of an open market where faster, better, cheaper is what customers get and become long term customers. I've been seeing many desktop Windows users purchasing Mac hardware after experiencing the iPod, iPhone, etc hardware and getting sick of the issues common to Microsoft software.

    They've rode their monopoly for a long time but their inability to really create something which can compete in an open market is showing how long a ride that's been. Too long a ride without anything to fund the beast into the future. Their management has been pointing them as an anti-competition company for decades instead of a super tech innovator through the 1990s so it's really not just the past decade. IMO

    LoB

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  40. Very true, since Apple's success is much greater by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Market cap is to company's real worth as photoshopped magazine covers are to original models' beauty: a somewhat good reference but not really that reliable.

    That is very true, Apple's market cap remains substantially depressed compared to other companies.

    In the decade that Microsoft simply continued to sell the same thing they always had, Apple herded the music market unwillingly to digital sales, totally took over portable music players, forced a massive shift in the smartphone market, and then to top it off proceeded to be the company that led the inevitable shift in the computing market to tablets despite Microsoft trying and failing to do sofor almost ten years.

    I'd say the "lost decade" description for Microsoft is utterly apt, for all sorts of reasons... the way that Microsoft killed off better technologies as they rose against Microsoft for many years was a loss of around a decade of computer advancements for real people as Microsoft kept the status quo.

    But just like keeping the lid shut on a pressure cooker, eventually something much blow - and Apple was the company that forced the issue.

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  41. AOL !!?? And MSFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Atlantic has an interesting story, focused on AOL in the last year that has two very interesting plots of the % change in stock prices, including Aapl.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2012/07/the-best-tech-stock-of-the-year-is-aol/260438/

    The dang of it is that I bought into Aapl in 2000 and sold out in mid-2005; bad move.

    Over the decade Aapl has a better than 8000 % increase and Msft an anemic 30 % increase (which if we factor in deprecation of currency gives Msft a loss).

    LoL

  42. Microsofts demise greatly exaggerated by bravecanadian · · Score: 2

    If you go by share price, sure, Microsoft has been stagnant the last decade. Share price has little or nothing to do with the day to day operations of the business, though. The actual business is consistently posting record revenues and profits throughout most of this past decade. That is what matters.

    However, as soon as you account for the fact that there was an incredible tech bubble that popped around.. a decade ago.. they have actually done pretty well growing into that massive valuation again. Furthermore they pay dividends now! Microsoft is a huge and mature company - not a high growth speculation at this point.

    Secondly, they may have floundered around with Vista but I think everyone has to admit that Windows 7 was a nice recovery.

    Microsoft continues to invest heavily in R&D and we can quibble about the results but I'll just say it is nice that a company is actually doing this at all!

    In the past decade they have massively increased their server applications business, the Dynamics/NAV business, Sharepoint is a billion + a year business with nice lock in for Microsoft.. Xbox is a huge success --- sure there is a sunk cost in getting going that they may still be recovering from but Xbox Live is a solid revenue stream for Microsoft every month and the Xbox has become more and more a centerpiece for more than games.

    Microsoft is not just a Windows / Office company any longer. Windows & Office is still the engine of Microsoft at the moment but the company has diversified and continues to do so..

    That all being said, Microsoft is entering into a crucial time. They are bringing out all their major products new revisions in a 6 month span and they need them to all be solid. All these releases and the integration between them is crucial to get right or they will really run the risk of fading away.

    Windows Phone 8, Windows 8, Surface, Server 2012 etc. all need to be strong and that is a big bite to chew with them all coming up shortly.. ambitious but risky.

  43. Re:Terrible article - No, ok, even great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > This story is so stupid it's not worth reading.

    Either I'm hallucinating or you can't read.

    The article is basically correct, does a pretty good job in describing the time line -- I was living that period, albeit watching from a safe distance (that means nothing happened next to me).

    But I'd like to point out something that seems out of tune to me: M$ has a long tradition (perceived by me at least from 1980) of making less-than-excellent products. If the company ever hired great professionals, I'm pretty sure most of its products carried their trademark of being good enough (and sometimes, not enough!).

    My point is: it was not a lost decade for M$; rather, they did business as usual. But they could not compete (as they were never able before, in fact) with the excellence of Google, the maniacally perfection-seeking Apple or the Zen-minded Japanese gamers. These latter are great and M$ can be blamed of a lot of things -- but being great will never be one of them IMHO.

    Also, we reached the age of inexpensive: inexpensive songs, inexpensive internet access, inexpensive OSes and their inexpensive applications. There's not much M$ can achieve by being cheap, which is their traditional strategy.

    At this moment, going for hardware (like in the Surface gizmo) might be M$' best card. They must have a niche to retreat to, as IBM also did in the past. If there's a single thing I could recognize a minimal amount of competence in M$, making fairly good working is it.

    The article ends in great style with Jobs' precise evaluation of why M$ is to be blamed for lack of good products -- it's not Ballmer the problem, however other faults he might have, M$ itself is a business-orientated company. You can die before getting excited with any of their products.

    For techies, me included, that's a most deadly sin.

  44. Silverlight & XNA are most recent victims by elabs · · Score: 1

    The infighting and competition between teams is the worst and Silverlight & XNA are the two most recent victims. C# and Silverlight are the two main reasons I chose to be a Windows developer. Without those I'm free to head to other pastures.

  45. An MBA degree program is not what you think by perpenso · · Score: 2

    An MBA degree program is not what you think. An MBA is not like other Master's Degrees where you become more of an expert in a particular field. An MBA makes you generally knowledgeable of all the parts of an organization, not just the one you are currently experienced in. An MBA is an add-on to whatever degree you already have. An MBA does not make you an accountant, it does not make you a manager, it does not make you an executive. It helps one become a better manager or executive because you now have an understanding of other fields beyond your own, you can understand other people's perspectives a little more.

    30% of my MBA class were engineers, they left with the same technical perspective they came in with. However they could now more effectively communicate their perspective with people from other fields and they could more effectively persuade these people because they had some understanding of the perspectives of their respective fields. These are good skills.

    That said. In an MBA program you really are taught to do the "right" thing. Manage for the long term, have some flexibility with people (there is no one way of doing things, different people may be more efficient/productive taking different approaches), marketing and new product development is based on careful study of consumer wants and needs and projections are based on careful modeling of the market (I was shocked by the amount of advanced math we used, pleasantly surprised by the scientific and mathematical approach), etc. However an individual person may be taught these things but not put them into practice in the real world. MBAs may manage for the quarterly results, have one size fits all approaches, pull numbers out of the air ... but that is not what they were trained to do. It is much like computer science where a person is trained to write well designed, reliable and maintainable code in school and then when they get a job they just slap together crap as fast as they can to generate the illusion of performance rather than create good products.

  46. Microsoft was never cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "By the dawn of the millennium, the hallways at Microsoft were no longer home to barefoot programmers in Hawaiian shirts working through nights and weekends toward a common goal of excellence"

    Ha, you have just got to be kidding. Microsoft was derived from a contractual relationship with IBM, it was never a home for 'barefoot programmers in Hawaiian shirts` ...

  47. Few engineers know the reality of business ... by perpenso · · Score: 2

    I'll buy that familiarity with the technology is a factor, but it's also about the thrill of technology as a motivator. Business types don't have it. Everybody knows what their SOLE motivation in life is ... How can we rake in the bucks and rip off the people?

    Few engineers know the reality of business and MBAs - been there, done that, I am guilty - just as few business types understand the reality of engineering and other technical disciplines. When I eventually attended business school I thoroughly enjoyed it for two reasons. (1) Learning new and different things. (2) Laughing at myself, laughing at how ignorant and misinformed I had been about business, marketing, etc. Here's a clue: the professors in business school love Dilbert as much as any geek.

    To avoid redundancy here is the reality of MBA degrees: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3010671&cid=40801865
    The short story: Its just an add-on to your current degree and experience, it gives you an overview of all the pieces of a business/organization. They actually do teach you to do the "right thing", whether you do as you were taught is something else.

  48. Company, not just profit by Chemisor · · Score: 1

    It isn't the MBA that makes the boss a bad manager. It's the forgetting of where money comes from. An MBA is content to run the company quarter to quarter, taking action solely based on the profits generated, and forgetting that a company does not just print money like a factory. A company makes money by making something valuable that people want to trade their money for. In a small company, this is obvious, because you are making those valuable things yourself and observing the process firsthand. Once you have MBAs on board, you no longer do. You stop thinking about the company and what it makes. You start thinking of it as a money printing press. Good products can keep this going for a while, but the MBAs who care about profits rather than the value that generates them will destroy it as surely as they will sell the ship's engine to bolster this quarter's bottom line only to go bankrupt in the next one.

  49. The article is misleading by davydagger · · Score: 2

    it makes it sound like microsoft was ever a company that made great innovate products.

    in the 1990s it flourished becuase of a demand for computers and NO competition. They were probably more hated then than now. Their software was far less reliable then, than now.

    They were far more overreaching in their rhetoric and legal prowess to cover up their inability to make good products then, than now. They were far more evil then than now.

    They have competition now, and if they tried what they did then, now, they would be sink.

  50. MBAs are taught to understand product/market/etc by perpenso · · Score: 2

    Agree - but this can be simplified. There's a rule.

    Managers are of two types.

    There are managers who believe that management itself is a profession that stands outside of any other profession or industry; that is, that a manager only manages people. It doesn't matter what those people do. Nor does it matter what the manager knows about the business he/she manages. A good manager will deliver goodness, regardless.

    Then there are managers who believe that they'd best excel at the specifics of the industry they find themselves in. Because one should understand the 'why' of making decisions, outside of the people involved.

    The first type are MBAs. The second type are filthy rich.

    Funny, but wrong. I'm a somewhat recent MBA grad and we were definitely taught that understanding your product, your market, your industry, the economic forces that effect your industry, etc was critical. About 1/3 of my class were engineers and scientist.
    To avoid redundancy see: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3010671&cid=40801865

  51. An MBA is not an accounting/finance degree by perpenso · · Score: 2

    MBAs are taught finance.

    Wrong. An MBA program is not about accounting and finance. An MBA program actually is an overview of all the pieces of a company/organization. Accounting and finance is just one piece. To avoid redundancy see: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3010671&cid=40801865

  52. sounds like Dragonlance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Evil turns upon itself" Good for Google :D

  53. The sooner they fade away, the better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We'll have us a little Microsoft Windows CD barbecue in the yard. They'll see the flames for miles. We'll dance around it like wild Injuns! You understand me? Catching my drift?... Or am I being obtuse?

    Oh, and BTW, how much did MS pay you (/.) to remove the borg icon?

    Nokia is the latest company going to shit because of the MS 'taint'. Remember Corel Linux? They made a deal, too and where is it now?

  54. Article is worth the read by Owlyn · · Score: 1

    I know there is a habit here at Slashdot to only read and comment on the summary. Trust me, this article (though long) is worth the read. Very insightful. I did not know about the stack ranking system at Microsoft. What an amazingly stupid and suicidal system. Again, if you only read the summary, go read the article. It's worth your time.

  55. What about the netto loss this year? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Last financial period of 2012 Microsoft grossed in a netto loss of approx. 450million vs. an approx. 5 billion netto profit during the same financial period last year.

    This is the first time since they went to the stock market that they managed a netto loss.

    "Doubling net income" ?

  56. Re:Monkeyboy needs Thorazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Microsoft is not the Illuminati"

    A piece of a whole puzzle, like a drop in the ocean, does not negate the reality of the whole, nor remove the piece or drop from scrutiny.

  57. Expectations Imposed on Microsoft by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

    Microsoft has not done badly for itself. I think the expectations put on many tech companies are unrealistic. Some tech companies have come from nowhere to mega enterprises. There are those that will think a company has not done well if they no longer sustain their early growth rate. Of course these expectations are arithmetically absurd. A small company can become a global force. Then where do they go? Take over the galaxy? This is also happening to Facebook, Google, Yahoo, and others. To be sure, Microsoft does have some challenges ahead of them. The sudden turn Microsoft made when they suddenly discovered the Internet is almost happening again with the rise of mobile computing. Whether they succeed this time again will have to be seen.

    I don't think they are stupid, evil, or lost people. I like Windows 7 just fine. I don't like Windows 8. I wouldn't even bother with MS Office 2010 if I did not have to run Outlook because of Exchange.

    We're seeing some huge paradigm shifts in the tech world as well as company consolidations. I still say Microsoft is moving towards becoming just like Apple. But I think people's expectations on them are always high. They can hardly win a a good press analysis lately.

    I also still prefer Linux as a desktop, mobile and server platform. I don't feel as controlled or constrained by it. There are also lofty expectations imposed on Linux and there will be more. Sometimes I think that Microsoft by their aggressive behavior has invited these expectations on themselves too. That for sure will probably continue.

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    Oh, yeah! Wise guy, huh? Woob woob woob woob! Nyuk! Nyuk!
  58. Nothing and nobody is perfect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone's got problems, even corporate bodies. How about you? I do, to save you that question. See subject. In any event, the day I see spreadsheets and databases of mission critical enterprise class nature run and worked on in corporate Amerika on smartphones (as the overwhelming majority) is the day I retire from this field of computing. I think Mr. Ballmer is a problem. He may be a nice guy, and I've actually heard that from people who met him in airports, but what MS needs is another Bill Gates - a combined businessman and computer geek at the helm. Then again, for example? Linux has problems! It's a decent OS, but apparently, there's not enough "marketing saavy" to get it to the "top spot" in combined Server + PC Desktop marketshare/mindshare.

  59. the slow fuse of a slow mind by epine · · Score: 1

    He didn't leave because he wanted to, he left because he was the most hated guy in the industry.

    You're right about the revisionist history. Bill made their bed and now they are lying in it. But he didn't have to leave. Despite his negative charisma and the brutality of his methods, his leadership was better than what followed. I don't even think he was personally hated so much as the fruits of his reign were hated. I personally don't hate Bill. Hitchens describes some dictatorship (Romania?) where it was said that the fear was so thick you could not just cut it, but actually eat it. My contempt for what His Billness stands for is so thick I could eat it, but I don't actually hate the man.

    Slow decline? That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard since Windows Me, a brisk decline by any rational standard. In a Warner Brothers cartoon, Windows Me would be represented as a piano in free fall attached to a coil of rope rapidly unwinding. The rope is attached to a cotter pin in the trellis work supporting a Saturn V rocket ship, which threatens to tip over and launch sideways into a colossal machine works with a 50,000 tonne Alcoa press hard at work stamping out giant Fabrige ostrich eggs.

    I've got Amis's The War Against Cliche on hold at my local library. If I had written Harry Potter, anyone describing the arc of Microsoft as "slow decline" would be at risk of having the owls arrive to carry off their beards and toupees, or any other device of attire designed to conceal the bare chin wattles or shiny pate of thoughtless word selection. Instead of Muggles, there would be Paters: universal objects of titters and ridicule. Instead of Defence Against the Dark Arts, cautious use of hair-stealing adjectives would prevail among the cognoscenti.

    1. Re:the slow fuse of a slow mind by epine · · Score: 1

      âoeThey used to point their finger at IBM and laugh,â said Bill Hill, a former Microsoft manager. âoeNow theyâ(TM)ve become the thing they despised.â

      The same thing is also happening among the 1% in America. America used to be proud of how it broke away from the British class system. Now anyone with money and power can't find the slightest flaw in the ways of their ancestral oppressors.

    2. Re:the slow fuse of a slow mind by epine · · Score: 1

      While Microsoft was once the hippest company on earth, its beginnings could be traced to the Holy Bible for nerdsâ"Popular Electronics.

      I was there. Let me [w]rack my brains all the way back to PC DOS. Cool. Microsoft. Used in the same sentence. [Petrifies into the shape of Rodin's Thinker] Nope, not happening. The closest they ever came in my books was acquiring the creative output of Ensemble Studios. I really liked Age of Empires. I had a friend who liked Microsoft Flight Simulator. The word "cool" might have been used.

      "Sucks less". Sure, I used that phrase a lot--practically wore it out in my enthusiasm for the giant wake of crud displacement by the great Borg ship Microsoft. (Nothing makes a GUI-centric OS less cool than the lack of demand-paged virtual memory under the hood.)

  60. Microsoft's Purchases During The Lost Decade by RudyHartmann · · Score: 1

    In the Lost Decade narrative, there has been much said about Microsoft's unprofitable investments and purchases. But in the last decade there have also risen to prominence competitors that were previously non-existent or irrelevant. I can name Google, Apple for a couple. But there are many more. Microsoft is playing a game with them all to win. Now back to those unprofitable purchases. I liked playing the board game of Monopoly with my family for years. Often times I would buy something I knew I couldn't make money on just to deny it to another player. This made it harder for them to win. It also occasionally made my wife or kids made at me. I think to a great degree this is what Microsoft has been doing with some of those purchases. Even if I did win it all, I survived.

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    Oh, yeah! Wise guy, huh? Woob woob woob woob! Nyuk! Nyuk!
  61. Re:New markets - mod as funny please by A+Pressbutton · · Score: 1

    mod this as funny better yet sarcasm

  62. Same as it ever was by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Fiefdoms had taken root, and a mastery of internal politics emerged as key to career success. In those years Microsoft had stepped up its efforts to cripple competitors, but...the competitors being crippled were often co-workers at Microsoft, instead of other companies. Staffers were rewarded not just for doing well but for making sure that their colleagues failed. As a result, the company was consumed by an endless series of internal knife fights.

    How is this different than any other big bureaucratic organization where Dilbertian Culture rules? Is there a magic formula for getting rid of Dilbertian Culture? My org needs it BADLY!

  63. Re:Monkeyboy needs Thorazine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While much of your MS history is accurate, the conspiracy theories are not reasonable. Microsoft is not the Illuminati. This kind of speculation is not helpful.

    IMO, and I'm sure a lot of people would agree, Microsoft IS a conspiracy.

  64. Windows 8 The begining of the 2nd Lost decade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Crappy Surface Pad, Horrible Windows Phone and Windows 8... Welcome to the next lost Decade

  65. Spot on, at least anecdotally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I worked at MS for a good chunk of my early career thanks to friends a few years older who spoke glowingly of the atmosphere. They were correct. When I arrived @ 93 I dropped into a fantastic job living relatively close to where I grew up and working with some very interesting people. I worked there long enough to see the transition in progress and knew I had to join the bulk of my friends who had moved on. I didn't have enough to retire by any means but I did have enough to be free to make choices and do things I wanted to do mostly when I wanted to do them. I will probably work another few years and retire at 50, very fortunate in my timing hitting the right industry at the right location.

    The first time I really accepted the culture was shifting was at a monthlyish meeting of various leads and a mix of other team/group members. I had attended them regularly for a couple of years as I moved up the food chain, but the first time someone new arrived and in his introduction the first credential he mentioned was from business rather than tech or basic academia. He was there to "learn" or some such BS. There were many rumours about where exactly he fit it, but he seemed to be a link between HR & accounting or finance: it wasn't the fact that he existed that caused clamor but how he had been inserted into the process without any prior mention. The walls were already up but now the doors were getting locked and folks were undermining others initiative and ideas rather than supporting the advance of the company or even technology in general. Back stabbing increased, dress became more conditional upon what that fiefdom's "boss" did rather than the taste of the employee.

    Ever seen "Brain Candy?" The scene of the CEO's arrival at work reminds me of the last few weeks I was at MS. He was you typical eccentric long service guy who would regale the people he was desperate to poach or recruit about his "face time with Bill." He went through a period of not wearing socks except to formal meetings where he wasn't the "boss" and most nauseating of all was how many of the proles aped their master. I was already on my way out, having arranged some holiday time before starting with a new company and i bailed from there just before the first tech crash. MS changed into a bureaucracy and that is never a good thing.

  66. Every large corp has in-fighting by danbuter · · Score: 1

    Heck, I was in a small company of around 50 employees, and there were 3 departments. Each of them actively fucked each other over in order to look good and get better bonuses than the other departments. Large corporations just magnify the problem, as the other departments you're fighting might be on the other side of the country or even in another country. As long as the top 3 or 4 guys had good profits, they didn't care about all of the mess going on beneath them.

  67. The Balmer Decade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After more than 12 years one would think the Board at M$ would have the intellectual capacity to recognize that Steve Balmer is the problem #1.

    Yet, the M$ Board will yet for many more years pass on the obvious person who should leave the M$ campus.

    Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    This makes MSFT a contra stock buy!

    Bet against the MSFT price, you always win.

    LoL XD

  68. Software vendors preparing for the worst... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...but hoping for the best.

    I work for a midsize software company and for practical reasons, the client-side/presentation portion of our software is desktop based and will be for the long-term. Naturally, "desktop" support means "Windows" support and thus we're one of the companies that add value to Windows beyond the basic Office suite.

    Yet Windows has become a huge question mark in the past couple of years. Their native/unmanaged desktop development has become stagnant and their development API on .NET is becoming fragmented. Nevermind Metro.

    This makes me uneasy and I'm certain our top engineers/architects are looking into hedging our technology bets, as Microsoft has the smell of a unfocused captain slowly steering its ship towards an iceberg. Meanwhile our Unix/Linux developers are chugging along just fine.

  69. In the last decade by ternarybit · · Score: 1
    • Google has given us helpful search, gold-standard free email and a proliferating mobile platform (amongst other innovations).
    • Apple has given us (legal, idiot-proof) music in our pockets, a phone that does "everything" (at least to Joe consumer), and the first consumer-friendly tablet (amongst other innovations).
    • Microsoft has given us half-assed clones of all the above, a few failed ventures and yet another attempt to stifle competition, secure boot. (amongst other blunders).
  70. Re:MBAs are taught to understand product/market/et by zyzko · · Score: 1

    It is not wrong.

    You could replace "Microsoft" with "Nokia" on that article. Both have great basic understanding of their field. They have lots of fundamental technology under their grasp - even patent, like it or not.

    But both are failing for simple reasons:

    - Too many meetings, not enough innovation and basic research done without interruptions. Everyone wanting to be "manager of something".
    - Red tape all over the place, teams competing with each other inside the company.
    - Management has lack of perspective.

    Yes, I'm oversimplifying things and Microsoft is not as of yet failing, but they might be if they do not get other cash-cows than Windows and Office, and so far they have not been very successful at that.

  71. Re:MBAs are taught to understand product/market/et by perpenso · · Score: 2

    Sorry but it is wrong regarding MBAs, which is all I commented upon. MBAs are not taught "that a manager only manages people. It doesn't matter what those people do. Nor does it matter what the manager knows about the business he/she manages." They are taught quite the opposite. Whether they follow what they are taught is a different matter. Much like computer science majors are taught to write well designed, reliable and maintainable code but often do something else on the job.

  72. Dick Fuld Is Here by elcommandante · · Score: 0

    The problem is that Steve Ballmer is Dick Fuld. Incompetent beyond any metric but aggressive and intimidating within a corporate structure.

  73. SAME CASE AS KODAK! Then Cannon appeared... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT is EXACTLY the same case and the same things said of the decline of Kodak! Kodak was ahead in technology and ideas and products... nothing. Then came the Japanese and now we have all this paraphernalia. Kodak finally moved now and I ended up just purchasing my first handheld video from Kodak because it looked superior (despite being actually very first version...). And something similar happened to IBM, right? No one can think of SABOTAGE, NATIONALLY SPONSORED SPIES, COVERT WAR...? And other such techniques... Should be very evident that SOMEONES have a lot to win if THE WHOLE INDUSTRY just went away into oblivion... Or as I ve said before: you mean this people can put togther thousands and millions of working symbols but they cannot handle a managerial case (or whatever it is they cannot handle)? We already got instantaneous obsolesence and inefficiency in ALL our systems by forcing UNICODE... So if their plan goes ahead, we ll say good bye to Windows and end up using... something in Japanese? djb

  74. Everybody's piling on MSFT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, everybody's piling on. Poor MSFT, crying all the way to the bank. They're blue-chip now. They're a utility, like the phone company, and they'll continue to pull in phone-company revenues for the next few decades and stymie innovation as the phone company did. When MSFT is a memory in the rear-view mirror (yes, mixing my metaphors, sue me) and we're all running a different OS on the machines in our cubicles (which will NOT be our smartphones or our XBoxes), then we can cry for Microsoft. Or gloat, as the case may be.

    "Lost decade," my ass. Microsoft is doing just fine, thank you very much, and will continue to milk their cash cow.

  75. Microsoft value propositon in front of me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This article has the warm feeling of the Cognitive Consonance. The writer put down many things already in my mind. Hey, he must be very clever.

    However, the first thing that came to mind is exactly why do I use a particular product by Microsoft. (One of) my computer's OS.
    Straight to the point. What does Microsoft provides to me now:
    - POSIX subsystem, included since Windows NT 3.5 in 1994. Does it change too often?
    - DirectShow subsystem, first version in 1996. Using ffdshow, as far as I know is not Microsoft.
    - Direct3D subsystem, first version in 1995, heavily updated, specially in parallel with XBOX.

    Most of the rest are simply gone, not used any more, obsoleted by ERPs, web interfaces, mobile clients...

    And I am not talking about those all important enterprise requirements, I am talking about the comp on my table. Of those 11.523 improvements that every other Windows OS has brought on the table I have yet to use them. I can't think of any other part in this operating system is working for me. Remember, that even WINSOCK was provided by the manufacturer of the modem, not by Microsoft.

    Of these elements the only one that holds a little value, either by itself or by lock in, is Direct3D. And now, most of the game developers for PC understand that they must support OpenGL. Valve new gaming imitative is killing the only element that is attaching power users to Microsoft.

    In my mind Microsoft is like a sinking old WWII warship. Still heavy and with a massive hulk, using full fire-power against all targets, she is mortally wounded. How many companies will it buy and wither? How many 'environments' will it create that will trap partners and users? What kind of near-death 'experiences' will it provide? What kind of 'rebates' will provide to avoid interoperable solutions?

    The only question is how much damage it will do to the industry before it sinks.