I think you are both correct. Saudi is worse in many ways than the others because they play both sides. And lie about it. (I am a conservative who questions the motivations of our ties to Saudi. It seems to me that there should be someone telling Bush that the very appearance of an ethics violation counts as an ethics violation in the business world.))
You are right. This is how it works at my home. And the kids DO get exposed to stuff we don't agree with, but we talk it all over and then they can make informed conclusions based on our religious convictions, coupled with an understnading of the opposing viewpoints.
The church has been wrong about science matters before, and honestly, I think that for Christians to deny any validity to SOME of the science is foolish. I believe in a literal translation of the Bible, but the Bible doesn't say the world is 6000 years old. (Though most of my Evangelical brethren think that it must.) Frankly, I believe I was created in God's image, and that I did not evolve. But that doesn't neccessarily mean that the world is not much older than 6000 years. If a day is like a thousand years to God, and man was made after the animals, then perhaps the animals were around for a GREAT amount of time before man.
I think the valid dispute that Christians have is that we believe the Universe was created, and man was created. Not just "POOF!". On the other hand, if God spoke,and "POOF!", then that's fine. I didn't come from a monkey.
I resent the idea that I am lumped in with a bunch of rednecks that have no respect for human dignity and the sanctity of life. I am sure that peaceful Muslims also hate being lumped in with terrorists and Islamists. However, I HAVE read the Koran, and I know what it says about Jihad. I don't just follow the apologist media. I have also heard the speeches condemning the terrorist attacks. There is a duplicity that is present in militant Islam. I have heard it called "doublespeak". The Bush adminisration is proving to the world that those slobs do not represent America by punishing those who did wrong. You can't expect Bush to take credit for what Lyndie did, he had delegated authority to his subordinate commanders. They further delegated that authority to those that could oversee the prison. The local commanders were screwed up. They were there. AS for this incident costing us the war, I disagree. The war on terror will not be won by killing everyone who hates America, nor by beating them into submission. Those who hate America because of Abu Gharib hated America anyway. We are infidels, dhimmi. The war will be won by taking away the governments that support terror, by stopping the funding, by closing the training camps, and by blocking their access to WMD. I don't always think the Bush Adminstration is perfect, but I know that the overall goals of the war on terror are what is best for America, for Britain, for Austailia, for the Philippines,ad infinitum... The terrorists aren't just killing Americans after all...
60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake By Robert B. Bluey CNSNews.com Staff Writer September 09, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts.
Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program.
The "60 Minutes" segment included an interview with former Texas lieutenant governor Ben Barnes, who criticized Bush's service. The news program also produced a series of memos that claim Bush refused to follow an order to undertake a medical examination.
The documents came from the "personal office file" of Bush's former squadron commander Jerry B. Killian, according to Kelli Edwards, a spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," who was quoted in Thursday's Washington Post. Edwards declined to tell the Post how the news program obtained the documents.
But the experts interviewed by CNSNews.com homed in on several aspects of a May 4, 1972, memo, which was part of the "60 Minutes" segment and was posted on the CBS News website Thursday.
"It was highly out of the ordinary for an organization, even the Air Force, to have proportional-spaced fonts for someone to work with," said Allan Haley, director of words and letters at Agfa Monotype in Wilmington, Mass. "I'm suspect in that I did work for the U.S. Army as late as the late 1980s and early 1990s and the Army was still using [fixed-pitch typeface] Courier."
The typography experts couldn't pinpoint the exact font used in the documents. They also couldn't definitively conclude that the documents were either forged using a current computer program or were the work of a high-end typewriter or word processor in the early 1970s.
But the use of the superscript "th" in one document - "111th F.I.S" - gave each expert pause. They said that is an automatic feature found in current versions of Microsoft Word, and it's not something that was even possible more than 30 years ago.
"That would not be possible on a typewriter or even a word processor at that time," said John Collins, vice president and chief technology officer at Bitstream Inc., the parent of MyFonts.com.
"It is a very surprising thing to see a letter with that date [May 4, 1972] on it," and featuring such typography, Collins added. "There's no question that that is surprising. Does that force you to conclude that it's a fake? No. But it certainly raises the eyebrows."
Fred Showker, who teaches typography and introduction to digital graphics at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Va., questioned the documents' letterhead.
"Let's assume for a minute that it's authentic," Showker said. "But would they not have used some form of letterhead? Or has this letterhead been intentionally cut off? Notice how close to the top of the page it is."
He also pointed to the signature of Killian, the purported author of the May 4, 1972, memo ordering Bush, who was at the time a first lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, to obtain a physical exam.
"Do you think he would have stopped that 'K' nice and cleanly, right there before it ran into the typewriter 'Jerry," Showker asked. "You can't stop a ballpoint pen with a nice square ending like that... The end of that 'K' should be round... it looks like you took a pair of snips and cut it off so you could see the 'Jerry.'"
The experts also raised questions about the military's typewriter technology three decades ago. Collins said word processors that could produce proportional-sized fonts cost upwards of $20,000 at the time.
"I'm not real sure that you would have that kind of sop
You ROCK!! I am so glad to see facts! There are people here spewing out lies and mistruths and not checking their stories. (My rule of thumb: Liberal=Emotional
Conservative=Reasoning)
Right on! Heroes include people who made something out of themselves by working hard. I am about as right-wing as you get, but a SIGNIFICANT portion of my yearly salary goes to the charities and people in need that I want to donate to. I resent the government deciding who I want to give to.
Faith Based Charities allow us to give to who we think should get the help, and I don't have to worry about my money going to those who should be out working.
That's funny. I thought the Bible was the Inspired Word of God. (I.E. Infallible.)
Just because I am a Christian that believes Every Word of the Bible doesn't mean I hate homosexuals. I am told by Jesus to love them. Those who do otherwise pervert Christianity. He was hanging out with the sinners, not in a room of "holy-rollers".
And yes, that means that if I am a wicked person, my family will suffer. It's one of those immutable laws. Like the law of sowing and reaping. Tell me that you don't see people who give to charities get back, whether it be in "Blessings", "Karma", or "Good Vibes".
He didn't accuse them of acting white, he simply stated that "cool" culture was often the opposite of what is required to be successful.
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,14618,00.h tm l
The Cos Raps Rap by Josh Grossberg Jul 29, 2004, 2:00 PM PT back to story
Fat Albert, good. Fat Boys, bad.
Everybody's favorite loose cannon Bill Cosby was at it again Wednesday, going off the troubles of the African-American community and singling out a particular pop-culture culprit: Hip-hop.
Addressing a college conference on Wednesday in Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, the 67-year-old Cosby lashed out at hip-hop music for "glorifying the wrong things"--demeaning women, celebrating criminal behavior and embracing profanity.
The Cos also defended earlier remarks in which he complained about everything from bad grammar and baggy clothes to deadbeat dads and abusive husbands.
"I'm going to keep on saying what I've been saying," the Cos told the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education at its meeting, according to local media reports.
He also encouraged college educators to encourage their students to reach out to poorer blacks who come from broken homes and violent pasts and help them rise above their situations.
The former TV dad has been generating plenty of ink since launching his first attack in May. On the the anniversary of the Brown vs. Board of Education decision, Cosby took some members of the black community to task for not taking advantage of the opportunities fought for by civil-rights activists.
Cosby railed against the parenting skills of lower-income blacks, whom he called "knuckleheads." He also said that white people weren't to blame for teen pregnancy and high-school drop-out rates.
His withering attack drew both praise and condemnation from African-American groups.
Earlier this month, while giving a speech at Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Fund's annual conference in Chicago, Cosby said it was time for blacks to face facts and not cover up what he called their "dirty laundry."
Picking up that theme Wednesday, he said that, instead of asking youngsters to volunteer for the Peace Corps and going to Africa, that they should focus first at home.
"Go across the street into the projects. These are people who need to see another picture, a brighter picture," Cosby said.
Cosby practices what he preaches. The Emmy- and Grammy-winning icon routinely gives generous donations to historically black colleges and recently agreed to pick up the university bills for two struggling students.
I downloaded 240MBs three times, each time with errors. Finally I was told during the install that because my machine was dual-booting with SuSE Linuux, I could not install SP2.
I formatted the machine and have been windows free for a week.
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I think you are both correct. Saudi is worse in many ways than the others because they play both sides. And lie about it. (I am a conservative who questions the motivations of our ties to Saudi. It seems to me that there should be someone telling Bush that the very appearance of an ethics violation counts as an ethics violation in the business world.))
You are right. This is how it works at my home. And the kids DO get exposed to stuff we don't agree with, but we talk it all over and then they can make informed conclusions based on our religious convictions, coupled with an understnading of the opposing viewpoints.
The church has been wrong about science matters before, and honestly, I think that for Christians to deny any validity to SOME of the science is foolish. I believe in a literal translation of the Bible, but the Bible doesn't say the world is 6000 years old. (Though most of my Evangelical brethren think that it must.) Frankly, I believe I was created in God's image, and that I did not evolve. But that doesn't neccessarily mean that the world is not much older than 6000 years. If a day is like a thousand years to God, and man was made after the animals, then perhaps the animals were around for a GREAT amount of time before man.
I think the valid dispute that Christians have is that we believe the Universe was created, and man was created. Not just "POOF!". On the other hand, if God spoke,and "POOF!", then that's fine. I didn't come from a monkey.
I resent the idea that I am lumped in with a bunch of rednecks that have no respect for human dignity and the sanctity of life. I am sure that peaceful Muslims also hate being lumped in with terrorists and Islamists.
However, I HAVE read the Koran, and I know what it says about Jihad. I don't just follow the apologist media. I have also heard the speeches condemning the terrorist attacks. There is a duplicity that is present in militant Islam. I have heard it called "doublespeak".
The Bush adminisration is proving to the world that those slobs do not represent America by punishing those who did wrong. You can't expect Bush to take credit for what Lyndie did, he had delegated authority to his subordinate commanders. They further delegated that authority to those that could oversee the prison. The local commanders were screwed up. They were there.
AS for this incident costing us the war, I disagree. The war on terror will not be won by killing everyone who hates America, nor by beating them into submission. Those who hate America because of Abu Gharib hated America anyway. We are infidels, dhimmi.
The war will be won by taking away the governments that support terror, by stopping the funding, by closing the training camps, and by blocking their access to WMD.
I don't always think the Bush Adminstration is perfect, but I know that the overall goals of the war on terror are what is best for America, for Britain, for Austailia, for the Philippines,ad infinitum... The terrorists aren't just killing Americans after all...
60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
... The end of that 'K' should be round ... it looks like you took a pair of snips and cut it off so you could see the 'Jerry.'"
By Robert B. Bluey
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
September 09, 2004
(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts.
Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program.
The "60 Minutes" segment included an interview with former Texas lieutenant governor Ben Barnes, who criticized Bush's service. The news program also produced a series of memos that claim Bush refused to follow an order to undertake a medical examination.
The documents came from the "personal office file" of Bush's former squadron commander Jerry B. Killian, according to Kelli Edwards, a spokeswoman for "60 Minutes," who was quoted in Thursday's Washington Post. Edwards declined to tell the Post how the news program obtained the documents.
But the experts interviewed by CNSNews.com homed in on several aspects of a May 4, 1972, memo, which was part of the "60 Minutes" segment and was posted on the CBS News website Thursday.
"It was highly out of the ordinary for an organization, even the Air Force, to have proportional-spaced fonts for someone to work with," said Allan Haley, director of words and letters at Agfa Monotype in Wilmington, Mass. "I'm suspect in that I did work for the U.S. Army as late as the late 1980s and early 1990s and the Army was still using [fixed-pitch typeface] Courier."
The typography experts couldn't pinpoint the exact font used in the documents. They also couldn't definitively conclude that the documents were either forged using a current computer program or were the work of a high-end typewriter or word processor in the early 1970s.
But the use of the superscript "th" in one document - "111th F.I.S" - gave each expert pause. They said that is an automatic feature found in current versions of Microsoft Word, and it's not something that was even possible more than 30 years ago.
"That would not be possible on a typewriter or even a word processor at that time," said John Collins, vice president and chief technology officer at Bitstream Inc., the parent of MyFonts.com.
"It is a very surprising thing to see a letter with that date [May 4, 1972] on it," and featuring such typography, Collins added. "There's no question that that is surprising. Does that force you to conclude that it's a fake? No. But it certainly raises the eyebrows."
Fred Showker, who teaches typography and introduction to digital graphics at James Madison University in Harrisonburg, Va., questioned the documents' letterhead.
"Let's assume for a minute that it's authentic," Showker said. "But would they not have used some form of letterhead? Or has this letterhead been intentionally cut off? Notice how close to the top of the page it is."
He also pointed to the signature of Killian, the purported author of the May 4, 1972, memo ordering Bush, who was at the time a first lieutenant in the Texas Air National Guard, to obtain a physical exam.
"Do you think he would have stopped that 'K' nice and cleanly, right there before it ran into the typewriter 'Jerry," Showker asked. "You can't stop a ballpoint pen with a nice square ending like that
The experts also raised questions about the military's typewriter technology three decades ago. Collins said word processors that could produce proportional-sized fonts cost upwards of $20,000 at the time.
"I'm not real sure that you would have that kind of sop
The slobs at Abu Gharib represent all Americans just as the 19 scumbags on the 3 planes in September 11, 2001 represent all Muslims.
It happened. The WHOLE NATION was shocked and embarrassed. WE APOLOGIZED!! I am still waiting to hear a Muslim condemnation of 9/11/01.
Get over Abu Gharib.
You ROCK!! I am so glad to see facts! There are people here spewing out lies and mistruths and not checking their stories.
(My rule of thumb: Liberal=Emotional
Conservative=Reasoning)
'W' in 2004
or "Who would Osama vote for?"
Right on! Heroes include people who made something out of themselves by working hard. I am about as right-wing as you get, but a SIGNIFICANT portion of my yearly salary goes to the charities and people in need that I want to donate to. I resent the government deciding who I want to give to.
Faith Based Charities allow us to give to who we think should get the help, and I don't have to worry about my money going to those who should be out working.
That's funny. I thought the Bible was the Inspired Word of God. (I.E. Infallible.)
Just because I am a Christian that believes Every Word of the Bible doesn't mean I hate homosexuals. I am told by Jesus to love them. Those who do otherwise pervert Christianity. He was hanging out with the sinners, not in a room of "holy-rollers".
And yes, that means that if I am a wicked person, my family will suffer. It's one of those immutable laws. Like the law of sowing and reaping. Tell me that you don't see people who give to charities get back, whether it be in "Blessings", "Karma", or "Good Vibes".
Liberals don't believe in guns. (Unless it's for a political photo opportunity.)
This is the kind of person that succeeds in America. Someone who a) Marries Well; b) Works their Butt Off; c) Or Both.
That's what the American Dream is, to MAKE yourself something. Not to collect from other's hard work.
Great Job!!
It is true, Liberals are QUITE Emotional. The other half of the argument is that Conservatives use facts, logic, and REASON to look at reality.
He didn't accuse them of acting white, he simply stated that "cool" culture was often the opposite of what is required to be successful.
h tm l
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,14618,00.
The Cos Raps Rap
by Josh Grossberg
Jul 29, 2004, 2:00 PM PT
back to story
Fat Albert, good. Fat Boys, bad.
Everybody's favorite loose cannon Bill Cosby was at it again Wednesday, going off the troubles of the African-American community and singling out a particular pop-culture culprit: Hip-hop.
Addressing a college conference on Wednesday in Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, the 67-year-old Cosby lashed out at hip-hop music for "glorifying the wrong things"--demeaning women, celebrating criminal behavior and embracing profanity.
The Cos also defended earlier remarks in which he complained about everything from bad grammar and baggy clothes to deadbeat dads and abusive husbands.
"I'm going to keep on saying what I've been saying," the Cos told the National Association for Equal Opportunity in Higher Education at its meeting, according to local media reports.
He also encouraged college educators to encourage their students to reach out to poorer blacks who come from broken homes and violent pasts and help them rise above their situations.
The former TV dad has been generating plenty of ink since launching his first attack in May. On the the anniversary of the Brown vs. Board of Education decision, Cosby took some members of the black community to task for not taking advantage of the opportunities fought for by civil-rights activists.
Cosby railed against the parenting skills of lower-income blacks, whom he called "knuckleheads." He also said that white people weren't to blame for teen pregnancy and high-school drop-out rates.
His withering attack drew both praise and condemnation from African-American groups.
Earlier this month, while giving a speech at Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition Fund's annual conference in Chicago, Cosby said it was time for blacks to face facts and not cover up what he called their "dirty laundry."
Picking up that theme Wednesday, he said that, instead of asking youngsters to volunteer for the Peace Corps and going to Africa, that they should focus first at home.
"Go across the street into the projects. These are people who need to see another picture, a brighter picture," Cosby said.
Cosby practices what he preaches. The Emmy- and Grammy-winning icon routinely gives generous donations to historically black colleges and recently agreed to pick up the university bills for two struggling students.
Oh, you're right. I must have clicked on "Windows Update" wrong. Find a more constructive way to spend your time than flaming strangers.
I downloaded 240MBs three times, each time with errors. Finally I was told during the install that because my machine was dual-booting with SuSE Linuux, I could not install SP2.
I formatted the machine and have been windows free for a week.