no it's the same as when you pay for a copy of any old book (canterbury tales for example). You are not paying for the copyright or a license, you are paying for the nice binding and ordering. and maybe some summaries along with discussions, or anything else they are providing.
guess you've never run your own business? car leases are an amazing way to get a car pretax. And if your business is incorporated (not S corp) you can get the car before corporate and personal taxes (which means you save quite a bit... as much as 60%) and still basically have a personal car. So what if the dealer makes an extra 10%...
In places with higher personal and corporate taxes, it is even better. Look at Japan's used car market, tons of black super high quality sedans that are 3 years old, because 3 years is the standard shortest lease and every company that is even kind of successful leases for 3 years and gives those cars to the senior execs as personal vehicles (a nice pretax perk). They sometimes give the car with a driver in the bigger companies because then you can really validate it as a work expense.
what are you talking about? 100k for school is still very expensive. Most public instate universities will have tuition and fees of 5-10k / year (UCF is 210/credit hour, UF is a bit more, I didn't feel like going for more schools). Cost of living varies, but in my senior year of college (within the last 10 years) I got away for about 600/month for rent, food, and beer money), so add in 6k per year in living expenses at school.
Now of course, if you want to pay the headline cost for a super expensive private school, boo hoo. That is like complaining your ferrari is bankrupting you.
so you have the one size fits all method to make sure all children are learning exact what they need to at every stage? You should write an extension to the common core.
Everyone develops different skills at very different paces. I was, even though very active, very slow at developing any physical skills (eye-hand coordination, etc) but years ahead at math. If you think you have the solution to everyone's learning strategy, you are wrong.
For me, the creator of the show is the one who was inspiring, though unseen. But Shatner did a lot more than just act in the show, and that is probably a lot more important for this award than just his years on Star Trek.
Does anyone know if Roddenberry also pushed kids to study science? Star trek still inspires me to what is possible, and it's more than just technology. The society he envisioned is also something to work towards.
meats are expensive in Europe (at least in the UK when I was living there last year) but not necessarily everywhere else. I get 400 grams of lean, minced chicken breast meat for about 1.4 pounds equivalent. That is more than enough meat, and it isn't crap cuts.
I'm not sure why it is so expensive in Europe for meat. I'd say it's an US/Europe thing but I'm comparing it to prices in Japan, which are usually a bit higher than the states.
complain to your professor and university then, it's not the publisher's fault the person actually making the decision is screwing you. Everyone likes to get angry at the faceless company, rather than the person putting you in that position. It's like when people get angry at their insurance company even though it is the hospital charging you 200 dollars per saline drip. It just doesn't feel right to tell your doctor and hospital they are profiteering.
At my college, professors regularly assigned either their own questions for homework or questions that didn't change over the last couple editions of the book (math and physics classes) and it saved us a lot of money. This meant you only got a new edition if you wanted it, or if for some reason the class was using a first edition.
if you are taking out 150k in loans you are doing it wrong. Plain and simple. Most folks, while not capable of paying for all of college, can take care of a large portion of the cost. And if you live reasonably close to a college (this is a lot of folks) stay local and it gets even cheaper. At least in florida, it is still doable for undergrad at 80k on the top end and as little as 40k if you are careful.
unfortunately, I doubt you pay enough to validate socialized medicine. Go take a look at jus the income tax rates in countries with socialized medicine. In the UK, taxes (plus the equivalent of SS and medicare) start at 28% for the first 50k USD of income (or there a bouts) and then jumps to 48% from there on out. I've lived there, add in 22% VAT and that is how you pay for it.
knowing how to use a specific software package on a specific machine DOES NOT MAKE YOU TECHNICALLY PROFICIENT. It means you have trained on that one software package.
Just because a job involves lots of computer controlled equipment does not mean you are magically capable of handling any technical field, and it definitely in no way means you now have the requisite knowledge to write code of any type. Literally, think about this line people are saying through this thread. The equivalent is saying that by having a familiarity with Microsoft word and excel I am now qualified to go work on the software for a self driving car. I may have that ability but no way does my knowledge of a particular software package have any bearing on this.
you do realize that lesson is ridiculous on a small community scale right? It's unlikely any of these coal mining towns put their eggs in the mining basket. Most of the time a mine or some other industrial complex opens up, and a large community is built around it.
I doubt these were thriving communities that then said "hey, let's stop doing all this other stuff and just mine". More likely, it was, "before the mine, this was nothing other than a collection of a few family farms."
Sure, you can argue about diversity, but decisions are made by individuals and if the mine is large and growing, it can usually soak up most youth that stay around (and the rest go into jobs which provide services and goods to support the miners).
Now a state will all its eggs in one basket is in for a world of pain. But I can't think of a state like that (except maybe Alaska, which nicely diversifies from oil with government military money)..
was there a time when newspapers weren't funded by ads, or a place in the world (even weekly or monthly periodicals come stuffed with ads to fund a large portion of the budget).
In CS he could literally have worked on a wide range of things that don't require coding per se. Look at the creation of LISP, an entire programming language which gave us most of what modern languages have to offer in the way of features was literally written by a guy, start to finish, without every caring to implement an interpreter. He just defined it. I'd say just the definition and ideas he put forward are incredible and worth of a masters in CS, without actually writing the code (yes, I know McCarthy has done a lot of programming before and after, but just giving an example of great work in the field that didn't require him to actually program).
specifically to comment on entry level jobs, unskilled, 18 year olds qualify for 16-19 dollars an hour at GM in Michigan right now in their first year. They also qualify for profit sharing, which had a maximum value last year of 7500 (but I'm sure much less for a new hire). In any case, you could conceivably earn 20 dollars an hour your first year if you started January 1st, last year with no previous experience or skills at GM. If you add in benefits like health care, there is no one at GM below about 25/hour, but I'm assuming you weren't including things like pensions, medical, or other benefits they have (like buying cars super cheap).
But 18 year olds basically never had the ability to earn 20 dollars an hour with no skills without taking a dangerous job. If you work in the phosphate mines near my home town (in Florida) you could do it, but that can be real shite work compared to a factory line (from what I've been told, I've never been in a mine and my lungs would fail if I ever tried).
Tennessee was far more complex, because VW has rules with its German union saying all plants should have a worker/management council and the UAW somehow convinced them they had to be unionized to have a work council in the US. This is an open question, and one not directly addressed in law (to my knowledge, IANAL and can't be bother to go through Tennessee and federal regulations). The workers would have been happy with just a work council and no union. And while politics might have mattered, there was huge distrust of the UAW and unions in general (it's a southern thing) and so there was a groundswell of resistance against unionizing. Had politicians said nothing, it still could very well have failed.
not denying your broader point, but jobs did give to charity. Whether it was "enough" for you your own choice, but what came out after his death was that he didn't care at all for the publicity of having given large sums of money, and so mostly there is only speculation as to whether or not he was behind several anonymous large donations that seem to fit his interests.
it's not about it being a hard sell..... it's about having to pay for lawyers to defend yourself over and over. it's not worth the time, and 60k doesn't buy very many hours of lawyer time.....
yes, no one disagrees that the customers of AT&T have a legitimate issue with their security and should be able to seek compensation from them if their data security was lacking.
If a bank I deposit money at is mismanaged in such a way that I lose my deposit, I can seek restitution from management if their actions are found to be criminal/negligent. If someone points out they are being cavalier with my money by say, getting access to it and showing everyone they could, then again, I can leave and not do business with that bank and seek some form of restitution.
But that doesn't mean the kind civilian who helped himself to my information or money has a free pass. Two wrongs do not make a right. whether his punishment was fair, considering the damage done, I don't know (because I'm not familiar with what his punishment was).
they won't keep their job, but the person who actually steals the money, if caught, is arrested and prosecuted for theft. the jail time will be less than if they forcibly took the money (say, with a weapon or threat of violence) but we punish both. the difference is the person who loses their job is punished by their boss, and if the boss continues on with incompetent people, then his store will go out of business because all their revenues are being stolen and getting them back is a real problem.
usually the solution is some mixture. were you that far ahead on every subject, or just some of them? My school tried to push me ahead 2-3 grade levels and my parents vetoed it for many of the reasons you give (and they had done it so they "knew"). This meant my elementary school years were mostly a waste when it came to science and math education. But by middle school they started letting me just take the higher grade level classes and by high school you could just take whatever class you qualified for.
What I appreciated is they made the attempt to bus me back and forth between teh middle and high school so that I could be in the higher intensity classes. What I hated was having guidance counselors that actively tried to hold me back by making me take worthless classes rather than continuing forward. But then again I was the only person in my middle school doing that so it's pretty easy to forgive it as ignorance.
But in general, this is the benefit of a good private school vs a public school. They are generally willing to work with you to make sure your child is always challenged. The downside being not everyone can afford these schools (where I live they cost about 35k/yr/kid).
anecdote: in my elementary school there was 1 gifted teacher, where over the day, each grade's gifted kids (we had about 100 kids per grade, and 6-7 qualified as gifted in florida) would go into a class with the gifted teacher for an hour or so.
I also was far enough ahead in math that to help me stop being a disruption (I was not one to sit still) I was sent to help in the special needs class. IIRC, there were 6 kids in that class, and 2 full time teachers with special training.
I don't think it's crazy overfunding. I saw first hand that if you just get the few really gifted kids away from drudgery for an hour or so and challenge them with creative learning, In Florida the entrance was usually based on an IQ test given at a young age (I took it at 5). So oddly, across the students I remember, I was from a wealthy family, 6-8 from middle class families, and 2 from poorer backgrounds. it helps a lot. And frankly, the kids who are learning disabled I gained a huge respect for. My experience with the disabled is they usually try far harder than almost anyone else. I know if I had so much trouble wrapping my head around addition I would have given up way before some of these kids did, spending years trying to really "get" it.
But this is one state, and 1 district within the state. I've heard of a lot worse.
no they don't. net every school loses money on the overall athletic department. And only a tiny fraction of football teams bring in enough to fund themselves.Those that do usually see those proceeds plowed into all the other money losing sports. I can think of only a few schools powerful enough in enough sports to fund their entire sports department.
If sports actually paid out enough to fund better science programs, that would be awesome. But the vast majority of sports programs are a drain on academic programs.
you do realize this is just as bad with hockey in places like Canada, soccer everywhere in the world, Rugby and cricket in the commonwealth countries, etc.
This is in no way unique to the US. We just feel that way because with 6.8 billion people worldwide and the US being the sink for the talented ones from around the globe, we get a false sense of inferiority. I have yet to see a place in the world where sports and tv stars aren't held in far higher regard than science (and that includes south asia, far east, and europe as places I've lived).
I don't have experience where 100% of what I do is programming, but at times, up to 25 or 30 pct of job was coding, and without an IDE I'd be lost. I can never remember any of the semantics of a given language (and I only use VBA and Python), but I do remember roughly what a language can do and an IDE makes it a lot easier for me to find the exact wording of a call, capitalization, etc.
I'd be miserable in notepad, getting hung up on typos, or an extra space that gums up indentation. IDEs allow a lot of folks like me who don't program full time to be able to code useful algos when we need them and walk away, not worrying about the time it takes to re-familiarize myself with a language.
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no it's the same as when you pay for a copy of any old book (canterbury tales for example). You are not paying for the copyright or a license, you are paying for the nice binding and ordering. and maybe some summaries along with discussions, or anything else they are providing.
guess you've never run your own business? car leases are an amazing way to get a car pretax. And if your business is incorporated (not S corp) you can get the car before corporate and personal taxes (which means you save quite a bit... as much as 60%) and still basically have a personal car. So what if the dealer makes an extra 10%...
In places with higher personal and corporate taxes, it is even better. Look at Japan's used car market, tons of black super high quality sedans that are 3 years old, because 3 years is the standard shortest lease and every company that is even kind of successful leases for 3 years and gives those cars to the senior execs as personal vehicles (a nice pretax perk). They sometimes give the car with a driver in the bigger companies because then you can really validate it as a work expense.
what are you talking about? 100k for school is still very expensive. Most public instate universities will have tuition and fees of 5-10k / year (UCF is 210/credit hour, UF is a bit more, I didn't feel like going for more schools). Cost of living varies, but in my senior year of college (within the last 10 years) I got away for about 600/month for rent, food, and beer money), so add in 6k per year in living expenses at school.
Now of course, if you want to pay the headline cost for a super expensive private school, boo hoo. That is like complaining your ferrari is bankrupting you.
so you are saying in my lifetime we may get to a point where a single chip could stop all the dupes on slashdot?
so you have the one size fits all method to make sure all children are learning exact what they need to at every stage? You should write an extension to the common core.
Everyone develops different skills at very different paces. I was, even though very active, very slow at developing any physical skills (eye-hand coordination, etc) but years ahead at math. If you think you have the solution to everyone's learning strategy, you are wrong.
For me, the creator of the show is the one who was inspiring, though unseen. But Shatner did a lot more than just act in the show, and that is probably a lot more important for this award than just his years on Star Trek.
Does anyone know if Roddenberry also pushed kids to study science? Star trek still inspires me to what is possible, and it's more than just technology. The society he envisioned is also something to work towards.
because most college grads are forced to choose between enough money to eat and enough money for heating?
meats are expensive in Europe (at least in the UK when I was living there last year) but not necessarily everywhere else. I get 400 grams of lean, minced chicken breast meat for about 1.4 pounds equivalent. That is more than enough meat, and it isn't crap cuts.
I'm not sure why it is so expensive in Europe for meat. I'd say it's an US/Europe thing but I'm comparing it to prices in Japan, which are usually a bit higher than the states.
complain to your professor and university then, it's not the publisher's fault the person actually making the decision is screwing you. Everyone likes to get angry at the faceless company, rather than the person putting you in that position. It's like when people get angry at their insurance company even though it is the hospital charging you 200 dollars per saline drip. It just doesn't feel right to tell your doctor and hospital they are profiteering.
At my college, professors regularly assigned either their own questions for homework or questions that didn't change over the last couple editions of the book (math and physics classes) and it saved us a lot of money. This meant you only got a new edition if you wanted it, or if for some reason the class was using a first edition.
if you are taking out 150k in loans you are doing it wrong. Plain and simple. Most folks, while not capable of paying for all of college, can take care of a large portion of the cost. And if you live reasonably close to a college (this is a lot of folks) stay local and it gets even cheaper. At least in florida, it is still doable for undergrad at 80k on the top end and as little as 40k if you are careful.
unfortunately, I doubt you pay enough to validate socialized medicine. Go take a look at jus the income tax rates in countries with socialized medicine. In the UK, taxes (plus the equivalent of SS and medicare) start at 28% for the first 50k USD of income (or there a bouts) and then jumps to 48% from there on out. I've lived there, add in 22% VAT and that is how you pay for it.
knowing how to use a specific software package on a specific machine DOES NOT MAKE YOU TECHNICALLY PROFICIENT. It means you have trained on that one software package.
Just because a job involves lots of computer controlled equipment does not mean you are magically capable of handling any technical field, and it definitely in no way means you now have the requisite knowledge to write code of any type. Literally, think about this line people are saying through this thread. The equivalent is saying that by having a familiarity with Microsoft word and excel I am now qualified to go work on the software for a self driving car. I may have that ability but no way does my knowledge of a particular software package have any bearing on this.
you do realize that lesson is ridiculous on a small community scale right? It's unlikely any of these coal mining towns put their eggs in the mining basket. Most of the time a mine or some other industrial complex opens up, and a large community is built around it.
I doubt these were thriving communities that then said "hey, let's stop doing all this other stuff and just mine". More likely, it was, "before the mine, this was nothing other than a collection of a few family farms."
Sure, you can argue about diversity, but decisions are made by individuals and if the mine is large and growing, it can usually soak up most youth that stay around (and the rest go into jobs which provide services and goods to support the miners).
Now a state will all its eggs in one basket is in for a world of pain. But I can't think of a state like that (except maybe Alaska, which nicely diversifies from oil with government military money)..
was there a time when newspapers weren't funded by ads, or a place in the world (even weekly or monthly periodicals come stuffed with ads to fund a large portion of the budget).
In CS he could literally have worked on a wide range of things that don't require coding per se. Look at the creation of LISP, an entire programming language which gave us most of what modern languages have to offer in the way of features was literally written by a guy, start to finish, without every caring to implement an interpreter. He just defined it. I'd say just the definition and ideas he put forward are incredible and worth of a masters in CS, without actually writing the code (yes, I know McCarthy has done a lot of programming before and after, but just giving an example of great work in the field that didn't require him to actually program).
specifically to comment on entry level jobs, unskilled, 18 year olds qualify for 16-19 dollars an hour at GM in Michigan right now in their first year. They also qualify for profit sharing, which had a maximum value last year of 7500 (but I'm sure much less for a new hire). In any case, you could conceivably earn 20 dollars an hour your first year if you started January 1st, last year with no previous experience or skills at GM. If you add in benefits like health care, there is no one at GM below about 25/hour, but I'm assuming you weren't including things like pensions, medical, or other benefits they have (like buying cars super cheap).
But 18 year olds basically never had the ability to earn 20 dollars an hour with no skills without taking a dangerous job. If you work in the phosphate mines near my home town (in Florida) you could do it, but that can be real shite work compared to a factory line (from what I've been told, I've never been in a mine and my lungs would fail if I ever tried).
Tennessee was far more complex, because VW has rules with its German union saying all plants should have a worker/management council and the UAW somehow convinced them they had to be unionized to have a work council in the US. This is an open question, and one not directly addressed in law (to my knowledge, IANAL and can't be bother to go through Tennessee and federal regulations). The workers would have been happy with just a work council and no union. And while politics might have mattered, there was huge distrust of the UAW and unions in general (it's a southern thing) and so there was a groundswell of resistance against unionizing. Had politicians said nothing, it still could very well have failed.
not denying your broader point, but jobs did give to charity. Whether it was "enough" for you your own choice, but what came out after his death was that he didn't care at all for the publicity of having given large sums of money, and so mostly there is only speculation as to whether or not he was behind several anonymous large donations that seem to fit his interests.
it's not about it being a hard sell..... it's about having to pay for lawyers to defend yourself over and over. it's not worth the time, and 60k doesn't buy very many hours of lawyer time.....
yes, no one disagrees that the customers of AT&T have a legitimate issue with their security and should be able to seek compensation from them if their data security was lacking.
If a bank I deposit money at is mismanaged in such a way that I lose my deposit, I can seek restitution from management if their actions are found to be criminal/negligent. If someone points out they are being cavalier with my money by say, getting access to it and showing everyone they could, then again, I can leave and not do business with that bank and seek some form of restitution.
But that doesn't mean the kind civilian who helped himself to my information or money has a free pass. Two wrongs do not make a right. whether his punishment was fair, considering the damage done, I don't know (because I'm not familiar with what his punishment was).
they won't keep their job, but the person who actually steals the money, if caught, is arrested and prosecuted for theft. the jail time will be less than if they forcibly took the money (say, with a weapon or threat of violence) but we punish both. the difference is the person who loses their job is punished by their boss, and if the boss continues on with incompetent people, then his store will go out of business because all their revenues are being stolen and getting them back is a real problem.
usually the solution is some mixture. were you that far ahead on every subject, or just some of them? My school tried to push me ahead 2-3 grade levels and my parents vetoed it for many of the reasons you give (and they had done it so they "knew"). This meant my elementary school years were mostly a waste when it came to science and math education. But by middle school they started letting me just take the higher grade level classes and by high school you could just take whatever class you qualified for.
What I appreciated is they made the attempt to bus me back and forth between teh middle and high school so that I could be in the higher intensity classes. What I hated was having guidance counselors that actively tried to hold me back by making me take worthless classes rather than continuing forward. But then again I was the only person in my middle school doing that so it's pretty easy to forgive it as ignorance.
But in general, this is the benefit of a good private school vs a public school. They are generally willing to work with you to make sure your child is always challenged. The downside being not everyone can afford these schools (where I live they cost about 35k/yr/kid).
anecdote: in my elementary school there was 1 gifted teacher, where over the day, each grade's gifted kids (we had about 100 kids per grade, and 6-7 qualified as gifted in florida) would go into a class with the gifted teacher for an hour or so.
I also was far enough ahead in math that to help me stop being a disruption (I was not one to sit still) I was sent to help in the special needs class. IIRC, there were 6 kids in that class, and 2 full time teachers with special training.
I don't think it's crazy overfunding. I saw first hand that if you just get the few really gifted kids away from drudgery for an hour or so and challenge them with creative learning, In Florida the entrance was usually based on an IQ test given at a young age (I took it at 5). So oddly, across the students I remember, I was from a wealthy family, 6-8 from middle class families, and 2 from poorer backgrounds. it helps a lot. And frankly, the kids who are learning disabled I gained a huge respect for. My experience with the disabled is they usually try far harder than almost anyone else. I know if I had so much trouble wrapping my head around addition I would have given up way before some of these kids did, spending years trying to really "get" it.
But this is one state, and 1 district within the state. I've heard of a lot worse.
no they don't. net every school loses money on the overall athletic department. And only a tiny fraction of football teams bring in enough to fund themselves.Those that do usually see those proceeds plowed into all the other money losing sports. I can think of only a few schools powerful enough in enough sports to fund their entire sports department.
If sports actually paid out enough to fund better science programs, that would be awesome. But the vast majority of sports programs are a drain on academic programs.
you do realize this is just as bad with hockey in places like Canada, soccer everywhere in the world, Rugby and cricket in the commonwealth countries, etc.
This is in no way unique to the US. We just feel that way because with 6.8 billion people worldwide and the US being the sink for the talented ones from around the globe, we get a false sense of inferiority. I have yet to see a place in the world where sports and tv stars aren't held in far higher regard than science (and that includes south asia, far east, and europe as places I've lived).
I don't have experience where 100% of what I do is programming, but at times, up to 25 or 30 pct of job was coding, and without an IDE I'd be lost. I can never remember any of the semantics of a given language (and I only use VBA and Python), but I do remember roughly what a language can do and an IDE makes it a lot easier for me to find the exact wording of a call, capitalization, etc.
I'd be miserable in notepad, getting hung up on typos, or an extra space that gums up indentation. IDEs allow a lot of folks like me who don't program full time to be able to code useful algos when we need them and walk away, not worrying about the time it takes to re-familiarize myself with a language.