I feel the same way. Even just going back and playing PS2/PS games is better with the memory card management software (and unlimited memory cards). I play DVDs and Blu-Ray discs in my PS3. I play PS2 and PS3 games on it. On my Wii, I play the virtual console games since I'm still waiting for a good game to come out for the system that's not Zelda, and on my 360, well... when it's not in the shop (yes I'm on my third) I'll sometimes play some Rainbow Six online.
Yes, I'll admit that if you already own a 360, there's not a whole lot of reason to buy a PS3 too. I got it for exclusives and because I have the money. And also because I have a real nice HDTV and want to see what all the fuss is about regarding Blu-Ray. Actually, my wife got me the HD-DVD addon for the 360 for Christmas once she saw Talladega Nights on the PS3 and was like "wow, what a difference!". But I digress... Right now, my PS3 sees a whole lot more use than my 360 does because of the PS2 games that keep coming. Almost done with Rogue Galaxy and picking up God of War 2 today. And I must say, playing PS2 games with wireless controller support (official Sony wireless controllers anyway, not that the Logitech one is bad but I like my Sony controller feel) and with unlimited memory cards (and a really good way to organize them) has definitely freshened up my PS2 library.
I probably shouldn't stoke the flamewar, but here goes. Your comment drips of Nintendo/Mac fanboyism and of jealousy. Yes, I am an adult who is happily married to a wife that isn't around much and when she is around she likes to play WarCrack. I also happen to have a relatively high paying job. So calling "bullshit" on me having the three consoles is a rather childish thing to do. Do you need a picture?/sarcasm
Listen, I didn't mention the Wii in my post because I believe that the success or failure the Wii sees this hardware generation will be independant of the PS3's and 360's success or failure. Being cheap and a completely different gaming experience tells me that while most households will only have a PS3 OR a 360, they probably will ALSO have a Wii. Nintendo will do very well with the niche they've made for themselves, and for that I'm happy. I grew up idolizing Nintendo and own almost every Nintendo system (missing the GBC and GB Pocket). Yes I even have a Virtual Boy.
But, that aside, here's where your argument breaks down:
The 360 "only" comes with 20GB? You said the PS3 is only $100 more; that means you're gonna have to stick with the lesser package. In case you're forgotten (what with you being busy with your other two consoles and all), the $500 PS3 comes with a 20GB HDD too. My point with that was that the PS3 lesser package is exactly equivalent to the 360 premium package. Read up on it. I never said it had wireless support (it doesn't) and I did admit that it was $100 more. But the point I was trying to get across is that people who compare the premium PS3 to the premium 360 just don't get it. Likewise, try comparing the "core" 360 to the "core" PS3. I bet you'll cringe, but hey, then there'd still be a $200 price difference to justify not getting one!
Also, two other things I'd like to point out:
I know, right? All those big, big PS3 exclusives, like Assassin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto... oh, wait... Right and you forgot about Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid, and Gran Tourismo to name a few. Which are sure to be system sellers. It'd almost be like you forgot that Metroid was a Wii exclusive!
Did you know that a Mac Pro is actually cheaper than a similarly specked Dell? Oh man, if only the public knew, Macs would be practically flying off the shelves! Sure did. I own a Mac, and using this argument have actually had others buy Macs and convert. Amazing what a little logic can do isn't it?
Had to reply to this.. I own all 3 systems and I hate it when people assume they know what they're talking about.
The price, frankly, is retardedly high. Without anything new or awesome games, a console that's 50% higher than its nearest competitor isn't going to sell. Well there's two problems with this thinking. 1st, it's only $100 more than a 360, if you want to compare what the systems actually include, assuming you're not interested in playing Blu-Ray discs or HD-DVD discs, otherwise, it's $100 cheaper than a 360. Why is this? Because the 360 only comes with a 20 GB HD and no 802.11g support. Let's try and just compare apples to apples.
One more food for thought item... I realize that the 360 has better online options right now.. but is it $50/yr better? Or $200 - $250 over the life of the console better? That also needs to be figured in the total cost of ownership of either system. The way I see it, total cost of ownership for my 360 (having gotten it on launch day) is $850. $250 for 5 years worth of XBox Live (assuming I keep it for the life of the system) and $200 for the HD-DVD player (because I really do think high def movies are better) and $400 for the console. Whereas the total cost of ownership for my PS3 (having gotten it on launch day) is still only $600.
I have all 3 systems, and play all 3 systems regularly. I couldn't/didn't want to choose one or two out of the three because I knew it would be torture 1-2 years down the road, once the big exclusives come out. But once I got all 3 and started looking at this objectively, I started feeling more and more like Sony actually does know what they're doing. Now if only someone could send a message to their marketing folk that the PS3 would be cheaper than a similarly decked out 360 and play off of that, maybe their sales would start taking off.
Believe it or not, I've had considerable success with Burnout: Revenge for the 360 (but on any platform will do). My fiance loves the crash mode, and actually routinely beats my friend and I. And, no we don't suck.. she just gets the whole crashing thing (routinely $14m - $15m each time). On a side note, she's not borrowing my sports car again..
I'm going to start a new organization called the PCMAA. Playing Card Makers Association of America. And any time anyone uses a playing card symbol, a piece of my client's intellectual property, we will sue them. We need to take back the money that is rightfully due to the Playing Card Makers of America!
There are many companies I work with that use MySQL for data warehousing applications that just throw too much data at the database, and suffer through MySQL's poor scaling performance (and horrible subquery performance) because it's the only free solution out there. I see this as being a good alternative, provided the rest of the database's functionality is intact. Most of these companies don't throw more than the listed server spec limits at their database anyway.
Maybe I'm reading a little too far into this here.. but wasn't there speculation a while back that Steve Jobs wanted to get in on the cell phone industry? ESPN (owned by Disney) just started its own cell phone company with mobile video (sports highlights) and whatnot.. I don't know, but it seems to me like this is as much a play for Steve Jobs to get his hands into areas he's wanted to get into but hasn't had the appropriate gateway. If you look here at the list of companies Disney actually owns, Steve has access to more than you'd initially think:
http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/disney.asp
I'm not sold on the whole losing money on systems being a bad thing.. Sony lost almost $100 per PS2 sold, but it paid dividends in the end:-)
I'm in no way a MS fanboy, but out of all 3 video game companies out there, MS has the most money to blow in console losses without it affecting the company's bottom line. Remember, Sony has different divisions that have to try to remain profitable on their own, so Sony Computer Entertainment can't be consistently held up by the Sony Home Theater and WEGA divisions. MS seems to be more fluid in that regard.
Is it just me or does 4.5-5.5 million xboxes sold by June 2006 sound rather small for what is supposed to be a living room revolution?
Its actually not far off from being a wholly successful system launch.. if we compare that to the Nintendo DS (which has been dubbed one of the fastest selling new systems). The DS sold 10 million units in its first year, so assuming Microsoft can keep up that sales pace and/or the 2006 holiday season finishes strong (remember, by releasing this year, next holiday season will see 2nd gen games, a larger library and no more supply problems, while the other two new systems, PS3 and Revolution will be plagued with "system launch syndrome") I would expect that Microsoft would actually be in the driver's seat.
Now, if Microsoft sells 2 million units between now and next holiday season, and sells another 2 million during the holiday season.. then the next gen console war will be a whole lot closer IMO.
*sigh*
I will never forgive EA for destroying two of the best game studios out there.. Origin and Westwood. Yes, some could argue that Origin was dead before EA bought them, but they forced Richard Garriot out, and when he left, all significant talent left with him. Westwood had some great games (namely Command and Conquer).. they sold well.. why would you disband a company that's making games that sell well? For the flop that was Earth and Beyond? Even Earth and Beyond was a pretty good game, it just had no content, and EA did not want to devote the time/resources it would take to maintain its customer base.
That all being said, some good work does come out of EA studios, such as the sports games. But, come on.. UO: Ninjas?? (and yes I know that's not the correct title, but it might as well be)
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I feel the same way. Even just going back and playing PS2/PS games is better with the memory card management software (and unlimited memory cards). I play DVDs and Blu-Ray discs in my PS3. I play PS2 and PS3 games on it. On my Wii, I play the virtual console games since I'm still waiting for a good game to come out for the system that's not Zelda, and on my 360, well... when it's not in the shop (yes I'm on my third) I'll sometimes play some Rainbow Six online.
Yes, I'll admit that if you already own a 360, there's not a whole lot of reason to buy a PS3 too. I got it for exclusives and because I have the money. And also because I have a real nice HDTV and want to see what all the fuss is about regarding Blu-Ray. Actually, my wife got me the HD-DVD addon for the 360 for Christmas once she saw Talladega Nights on the PS3 and was like "wow, what a difference!". But I digress... Right now, my PS3 sees a whole lot more use than my 360 does because of the PS2 games that keep coming. Almost done with Rogue Galaxy and picking up God of War 2 today. And I must say, playing PS2 games with wireless controller support (official Sony wireless controllers anyway, not that the Logitech one is bad but I like my Sony controller feel) and with unlimited memory cards (and a really good way to organize them) has definitely freshened up my PS2 library.
Listen, I didn't mention the Wii in my post because I believe that the success or failure the Wii sees this hardware generation will be independant of the PS3's and 360's success or failure. Being cheap and a completely different gaming experience tells me that while most households will only have a PS3 OR a 360, they probably will ALSO have a Wii. Nintendo will do very well with the niche they've made for themselves, and for that I'm happy. I grew up idolizing Nintendo and own almost every Nintendo system (missing the GBC and GB Pocket). Yes I even have a Virtual Boy.
But, that aside, here's where your argument breaks down: The 360 "only" comes with 20GB? You said the PS3 is only $100 more; that means you're gonna have to stick with the lesser package. In case you're forgotten (what with you being busy with your other two consoles and all), the $500 PS3 comes with a 20GB HDD too. My point with that was that the PS3 lesser package is exactly equivalent to the 360 premium package. Read up on it. I never said it had wireless support (it doesn't) and I did admit that it was $100 more. But the point I was trying to get across is that people who compare the premium PS3 to the premium 360 just don't get it. Likewise, try comparing the "core" 360 to the "core" PS3. I bet you'll cringe, but hey, then there'd still be a $200 price difference to justify not getting one!
Also, two other things I'd like to point out: I know, right? All those big, big PS3 exclusives, like Assassin's Creed and Grand Theft Auto... oh, wait... Right and you forgot about Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid, and Gran Tourismo to name a few. Which are sure to be system sellers. It'd almost be like you forgot that Metroid was a Wii exclusive! Did you know that a Mac Pro is actually cheaper than a similarly specked Dell? Oh man, if only the public knew, Macs would be practically flying off the shelves! Sure did. I own a Mac, and using this argument have actually had others buy Macs and convert. Amazing what a little logic can do isn't it?
One more food for thought item... I realize that the 360 has better online options right now.. but is it $50/yr better? Or $200 - $250 over the life of the console better? That also needs to be figured in the total cost of ownership of either system. The way I see it, total cost of ownership for my 360 (having gotten it on launch day) is $850. $250 for 5 years worth of XBox Live (assuming I keep it for the life of the system) and $200 for the HD-DVD player (because I really do think high def movies are better) and $400 for the console. Whereas the total cost of ownership for my PS3 (having gotten it on launch day) is still only $600.
I have all 3 systems, and play all 3 systems regularly. I couldn't/didn't want to choose one or two out of the three because I knew it would be torture 1-2 years down the road, once the big exclusives come out. But once I got all 3 and started looking at this objectively, I started feeling more and more like Sony actually does know what they're doing. Now if only someone could send a message to their marketing folk that the PS3 would be cheaper than a similarly decked out 360 and play off of that, maybe their sales would start taking off.
Believe it or not, I've had considerable success with Burnout: Revenge for the 360 (but on any platform will do). My fiance loves the crash mode, and actually routinely beats my friend and I. And, no we don't suck.. she just gets the whole crashing thing (routinely $14m - $15m each time). On a side note, she's not borrowing my sports car again..
I'm going to start a new organization called the PCMAA. Playing Card Makers Association of America. And any time anyone uses a playing card symbol, a piece of my client's intellectual property, we will sue them. We need to take back the money that is rightfully due to the Playing Card Makers of America!
There are many companies I work with that use MySQL for data warehousing applications that just throw too much data at the database, and suffer through MySQL's poor scaling performance (and horrible subquery performance) because it's the only free solution out there. I see this as being a good alternative, provided the rest of the database's functionality is intact. Most of these companies don't throw more than the listed server spec limits at their database anyway.
Not necessarily true.. take the wife/girlfriend with you! (That's what I do).. wow that rhymes and I didn't even try.
Maybe I'm reading a little too far into this here.. but wasn't there speculation a while back that Steve Jobs wanted to get in on the cell phone industry? ESPN (owned by Disney) just started its own cell phone company with mobile video (sports highlights) and whatnot.. I don't know, but it seems to me like this is as much a play for Steve Jobs to get his hands into areas he's wanted to get into but hasn't had the appropriate gateway. If you look here at the list of companies Disney actually owns, Steve has access to more than you'd initially think: http://www.cjr.org/tools/owners/disney.asp
I'm not sold on the whole losing money on systems being a bad thing.. Sony lost almost $100 per PS2 sold, but it paid dividends in the end :-)
I'm in no way a MS fanboy, but out of all 3 video game companies out there, MS has the most money to blow in console losses without it affecting the company's bottom line. Remember, Sony has different divisions that have to try to remain profitable on their own, so Sony Computer Entertainment can't be consistently held up by the Sony Home Theater and WEGA divisions. MS seems to be more fluid in that regard.
Is it just me or does 4.5-5.5 million xboxes sold by June 2006 sound rather small for what is supposed to be a living room revolution?
Its actually not far off from being a wholly successful system launch.. if we compare that to the Nintendo DS (which has been dubbed one of the fastest selling new systems). The DS sold 10 million units in its first year, so assuming Microsoft can keep up that sales pace and/or the 2006 holiday season finishes strong (remember, by releasing this year, next holiday season will see 2nd gen games, a larger library and no more supply problems, while the other two new systems, PS3 and Revolution will be plagued with "system launch syndrome") I would expect that Microsoft would actually be in the driver's seat.
Now, if Microsoft sells 2 million units between now and next holiday season, and sells another 2 million during the holiday season.. then the next gen console war will be a whole lot closer IMO.
I saw this 2 weeks ago on Gizmodo.com.. I thought this was supposed to be cutting edge news for nerds.
*sigh* I will never forgive EA for destroying two of the best game studios out there.. Origin and Westwood. Yes, some could argue that Origin was dead before EA bought them, but they forced Richard Garriot out, and when he left, all significant talent left with him. Westwood had some great games (namely Command and Conquer).. they sold well.. why would you disband a company that's making games that sell well? For the flop that was Earth and Beyond? Even Earth and Beyond was a pretty good game, it just had no content, and EA did not want to devote the time/resources it would take to maintain its customer base. That all being said, some good work does come out of EA studios, such as the sports games. But, come on.. UO: Ninjas?? (and yes I know that's not the correct title, but it might as well be)