This might be covered by using (more or less) something like a bench rifle, such that everyone is aiming at the same spot, and the rifles are secured such that little to no recoil is possible. Couple this with a modest caliber as well - after all, short range, no movement, no armor, and it's a human rather than a bear or moose.
But at this point I think we've ventured far beyond practicalities and into thought exercise territory:)
You could use a mask (like what they give oxygen to you in the hospital with) to allow you to have a large room for the purpose. This might actually increase safety for the other staff as well, since they wouldn't need to don breathing apparatus if they need to tighten a restraint or such.
I think they have to have a physician (or at least a nurse) available anyway to declare death - I don't think it would be all that off-the-wall to want them to hook up an EKG to monitor cardiac function - in fact I'd be surprised if they don't do that already.
I should point out that I'm against capital punishment. That said, Just because I don't think it should happen doesn't mean I can't think about making it more humane (or however you want to phrase it) if I can't see it not happen.
You don't just shove them into the room. While you couldn't do it the way old gas chambers worked (since those didn't need to displace anything, just introduce the chemical(s)) you can certainly cycle the atmosphere like you would in an airlock or decontamination.
Secure the condemned, seal the door, start the circulation, then shunt in the N2. Keep putting in fresh N2 while venting (or reclaiming for scrubbing and re-use) and the CO2 levels will not rise far.
Nitrogen in a gas chamber is probably the most humane way to do it. You just... lose consciousness. There's no distress since carbon dioxide displacement still happens. This is why working with such gasses in an enclosed space always has those warnings etc.
Just so long as only, say, 2 of the weapons are actually loaded and the others are blanks. This way you can never know if it was -actually you- who did it, but still requires you to "own it" by pulling a trigger.
I certainly don't miss waking up and dancing across the bathroom floor not because I was happy or anything - but because anything longer than 1/4 of a second of contact with the freaking floor was so cold that it hurt!
They actually go for engineers, from my understanding.
Here's my "theory" why: once they are convinced there is a problem, they have a need to fix it. All they have to do is make them believe there is a problem, and offer a convenient way to "fix" it.
Note: by theory I mean "thing that I just made up, now, on the spot"
Unfortunately you can't just legislate it away. That doesn't work, has never worked, and will never work. Doesn't stop them from trying, though.
I'm not going to get into it beyond that though - I'm not an expert, but it doesn't take an expert to recognize that something is broken. I really don't think just taking them away is the answer. As other incidents have spotlit, the act will not change, only the tools. Children (and adults too) committing violence against their peers and authority figures is the symptom, the gun (or knife etc) is just the vehicle, and the real problem is something else that I can't really identify personally. People are losing hope, getting restless, frustrated, and angry. We need to determine (and fix) the cause of that, not the results. But good luck with that, because the people in charge only care about looking like they are fixing things. Which only compounds the problem.
Note that you're being perceived as wrong, not that you actually are. I certainly don't have the experience to say which of you is right (or more right, as the case may be)
As someone who's certified for Class D and E fires, I'd expect you to realize that MSDS data from the manufacturer of a specific item trumps general rules such as that.
You still have to get power for the process, but there's ways to do that easily and this centralizes the pollution. As a side effect, you get O2 - which is used for, well, tons of things.
a Model S traveling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.
As well, the firefighters made it worse before they made it better:
"When the fire department arrived, they observed standard procedure, which was to gain access to the source of the fire by puncturing holes in the top of the battery's protective metal plate and applying water. For the Model S lithium-ion battery, it was correct to apply water (vs. dry chemical extinguisher), but not to puncture the metal firewall, as the newly created holes allowed the flames to then vent upwards into the front trunk section of the Model S. Nonetheless, a combination of water followed by dry chemical extinguisher quickly brought the fire to an end."
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Where the hell are you picking up that assumption?
I don't get it either. This is a problem of corruption, not technology.
This might be covered by using (more or less) something like a bench rifle, such that everyone is aiming at the same spot, and the rifles are secured such that little to no recoil is possible. Couple this with a modest caliber as well - after all, short range, no movement, no armor, and it's a human rather than a bear or moose.
But at this point I think we've ventured far beyond practicalities and into thought exercise territory :)
The idea of shipping nitrogen across the Atlantic is hilarious to me. You could manufacture it on site!
True, but helium is expensive and nonrenewable. Probably best to save that for the hospital and labs ;)
It's annoying enough to watch people waste it on irresponsible bullshit like balloons.
You could use a mask (like what they give oxygen to you in the hospital with) to allow you to have a large room for the purpose. This might actually increase safety for the other staff as well, since they wouldn't need to don breathing apparatus if they need to tighten a restraint or such.
I think they have to have a physician (or at least a nurse) available anyway to declare death - I don't think it would be all that off-the-wall to want them to hook up an EKG to monitor cardiac function - in fact I'd be surprised if they don't do that already.
I should point out that I'm against capital punishment. That said, Just because I don't think it should happen doesn't mean I can't think about making it more humane (or however you want to phrase it) if I can't see it not happen.
You don't just shove them into the room. While you couldn't do it the way old gas chambers worked (since those didn't need to displace anything, just introduce the chemical(s)) you can certainly cycle the atmosphere like you would in an airlock or decontamination.
Secure the condemned, seal the door, start the circulation, then shunt in the N2. Keep putting in fresh N2 while venting (or reclaiming for scrubbing and re-use) and the CO2 levels will not rise far.
Likely precursors or such are schedule 3.
Nitrogen in a gas chamber is probably the most humane way to do it. You just... lose consciousness. There's no distress since carbon dioxide displacement still happens. This is why working with such gasses in an enclosed space always has those warnings etc.
Just so long as only, say, 2 of the weapons are actually loaded and the others are blanks. This way you can never know if it was -actually you- who did it, but still requires you to "own it" by pulling a trigger.
You must live close to the tropics, then.
I certainly don't miss waking up and dancing across the bathroom floor not because I was happy or anything - but because anything longer than 1/4 of a second of contact with the freaking floor was so cold that it hurt!
... and not long later, that sense of happiness is replaced with pity and woe for the 99% of those who don't have them.
They actually go for engineers, from my understanding.
Here's my "theory" why: once they are convinced there is a problem, they have a need to fix it. All they have to do is make them believe there is a problem, and offer a convenient way to "fix" it.
Note: by theory I mean "thing that I just made up, now, on the spot"
Unfortunately you can't just legislate it away. That doesn't work, has never worked, and will never work. Doesn't stop them from trying, though.
I'm not going to get into it beyond that though - I'm not an expert, but it doesn't take an expert to recognize that something is broken. I really don't think just taking them away is the answer. As other incidents have spotlit, the act will not change, only the tools. Children (and adults too) committing violence against their peers and authority figures is the symptom, the gun (or knife etc) is just the vehicle, and the real problem is something else that I can't really identify personally. People are losing hope, getting restless, frustrated, and angry. We need to determine (and fix) the cause of that, not the results. But good luck with that, because the people in charge only care about looking like they are fixing things. Which only compounds the problem.
Because when an attack is successful it seems like 9/10 times they exploited a bug or configuration issue via PHP?
What's driving your zealous PHP advocacy?
Ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.
Note that you're being perceived as wrong, not that you actually are. I certainly don't have the experience to say which of you is right (or more right, as the case may be)
We can't even get people to wear seatbelts - good luck with that one.
If you manage to break your collarbone by slipping in the tub, you might want to check your calcium uptake...
As someone who's certified for Class D and E fires, I'd expect you to realize that MSDS data from the manufacturer of a specific item trumps general rules such as that.
Sure, when you ram a steel object into them hard enough to punch a 3" hole an 1/4" thick steel plate.
Close enough.
You still have to get power for the process, but there's ways to do that easily and this centralizes the pollution. As a side effect, you get O2 - which is used for, well, tons of things.
Wow. I misread your comment -5- times in a row. Ignore me.
What does that matter? Exactly how ignition occurred doesn't change the fact that it's easy to ignite, and once done it burns with gusto.
There's a bit more to it than that, jackass.
a Model S traveling at highway speed struck a large metal object, causing significant damage to the vehicle. A curved section that fell off a semi-trailer was recovered from the roadway near where the accident occurred and, according to the road crew that was on the scene, appears to be the culprit. The geometry of the object caused a powerful lever action as it went under the car, punching upward and impaling the Model S with a peak force on the order of 25 tons. Only a force of this magnitude would be strong enough to punch a 3 inch diameter hole through the quarter inch armor plate protecting the base of the vehicle.
As well, the firefighters made it worse before they made it better:
"When the fire department arrived, they observed standard procedure, which was to gain access to the source of the fire by puncturing holes in the top of the battery's protective metal plate and applying water. For the Model S lithium-ion battery, it was correct to apply water (vs. dry chemical extinguisher), but not to puncture the metal firewall, as the newly created holes allowed the flames to then vent upwards into the front trunk section of the Model S. Nonetheless, a combination of water followed by dry chemical extinguisher quickly brought the fire to an end."
It's super-easy to do from the history page, which is easy to get to and fascinating to click around in.
Open an article. Click "View History" tab. Note that every edit has an "undo" hyperlink. It's not exactly hard to get to :P