For an asian game, it's definitely raising the bar on visual and gameplay quality. That doesn't mean it's a leader.
As far as having a lasting impact vs Eve and Warcraft, no, it doesn't. Not even on the heels of Warhammer. People in the beta have said the game has no more potential as an endgame than wow does except that the game isn't that polished endgame wise yet.
well, that sure is wonderful. However, with a company as huge as blizzard you really think MS has more clout than them?
Easy answer: blizzard can almost crap out a turd and people will pay for it, ala nintendo at this point. Thus, MS isn't going to do squat about a game refusing lan support. It won't even be a blip on their radar no matter what game it is.
Why pay $200 when I can get something such as ubuntu for free? I'm sure I have plenty of options from major retailers if I was a dumbass consumer trying to buy a non windows OS right?
If anything non-windows worked flawless for graphics people would be jumping ship faster than you can even theoreticize and never look back.
Oh, whoops, it's bundled and shoved down people's throats. whoops.
Lan parties have never been obsolete. What do you call 4 people getting together to play a video game, or maybe 2 or 3 consoles getting together to play?
Now what if these are say Xbox consoles with diablo 3, which now have to get online to play?
Guess you're screwed then, huh?
Your reasoning is just off in all ways. Lan parties still exist for tons of reasons such as a: people want to game together and b: some people either don't have the bandwidth to game remotely (but have the PC) or people I don't know, enjoy super great latency on a lan?
I hate MS. I really do. However, to assume they've actually been burning more money than they've been making, is pretty false. Look at their revenue year over year, it's amazing for a huge company. People haven't been investing in them for any reason other than that alone, nor do people need a reason. Remember, shareholders and ethics don't go together in the current market as they should.
People just don't get it from the other perspective too: you don't have to take a loss to lose money. Even if you ride at neutral year over year you'll lose money from other costs such as raises, promotions, loss of employees and thus loss of business, etc.
They have spent huge amounts on lobbying and PR, but on actual office/windows development they have not spent anything above a normal amount considering their staff. If they spent crazy their expenditures would be way up and people would notice and you'd see slashdot articles speculating accordingly. However, MS knows the world has giant magnifying glasses on them and so plenty of financial analysts would note if anything serious is going on.
As is, MS is in a decline, but that doesn't mean they're down and out yet.
If you think companies don't diversify, you are horribly mistaken.
Do you think that Kraft foods only makes cheese for example? Companies diversify into similar fields.
From a consumer point of view you are dead correct in that you are oblivious to the other dealings of many companies. MS makes money from things other than windows and office. Lots of other things. If that was all they did, they'd go broke. They make money off programming deals, etc. The closest thing to say about MS and google is: they both profit from software, internet, and hardware. Thus isn't not even expanding their capability, just more work in a field they already work in.
MS attempts at search have been horrible as they haven't improved anything and have been using them to hide data (look up situations involving bing on that - search anything that is negative about MS). I'm not saying google's attempts at an OS are going to be 100 % successful (as nobody can predict the future with an uneducated guess), but android is optimized for ARM, so it actually makes sense to create a separate OS. Plus, they have a ton of programmers?
Wow, when MS said they had something to announce monday, I didn't think it'd be an article full of spin.
Answer: Whether at MS's behest or not, the ATM company can still take any form of action of their choice. Their hands are not tied. They could switch, find something free, find something that costs them less, make modifications to WinCE and discuss them with MS, etc.
Likewise, whether at the ATM companies behest or not, MS could still take any form of action of their choice and their hands are not tied, either.
Instead, everyone goes "well, lets not acknowledge it" and writes off the cost of silencing a critic/legal fees as cheaper than fixing it in the longterm. This is what we call "idiotic accounting". Companies are supposed to look longterm.
Keepass only works so well if you have a keylogger AND configure it properly. If you have a trojan + keylogger where they can log the entry and download the file, the whole concept is moot.
figure out your password + copy your credential + copy your keepass file? It's not like keepass originated yesterday.
There is no perfect solution. There are "best practices" and thats about the best an average person can hope for.
The whole thing dodges everything from 2001-2005. All they do is put it on Mr. Yoo. It's very light on details to a good point un until 05-07. Surprise = 0. The whole thing is a giant circljerk/clusterfuck about whose fault it is.
Companies only move upon losses and public fiascos. Politeness should be gone by 8 months. Honestly, "this can slash your profits to 0 or below" doesn't sound like a cause for concern?
I'm sure departments within the company can make that same argument for losses but those are harder to take care of than simple software fixes that people are nice enough to be willing to tell them what the issue is. I mean how much easier can you get than someone else doing the job for you, that you didn't do originally? etc etc.
I wish I knew enough about this stuff to make a good guess. From a time perspective though I can see where you are going in that there will be replacements to H264 and possibly Ogg will still be around by then, at a later time of implementation.
Really, by not forcing a codec on HTML5, what does that do/what impact? I don't really understand. Can someone clarify?
That was about the worst wording you can attempt for what you just tried to imply. Oh, and I was referring to you, not to me. You got a reply to your other comment where someone used 3.1 to run the example documents that were provided and were showing screenshot results. Or did you fail to notice that?
I'm sure glad that you confirmed something noone else can verify or even recognize. I'm not about to mark you a freak or foe, but I don't see a lot of healthy discussion coming out of here.
as a humorous aside: "lol you got owned". I'm not saying you're a MS shill, but maybe you should try not to be so skeptical of open source improvements. Typically the millisecond someone voices about something being incompatible the first thing people do is find a way to implement it successfully and make it compatible. That's the flexibility advantage of open source.
I can't think of a program or a general perspective on programming of which that doesn't apply in general. Especially considering forks of code, it's almost guaranteed.
For OO to have one version that is imperfect and then the next one (or even a patch a week later) fixes the problem and then nobody bothers to check and just writes off the software can be either viewed as misleading, misunderstanding, or ignorant.
There was no uninstall on the first version. You only had the option to disable. Uninstall required registry work.
New version can uninstall, but hey, whoops, we already put it on a bunch of originals, so tough shit as we already got our illegal snag.
See how this works?
So even if they correct bing from forcing itself to be default (as that's what setting MSN to homepage amounts to), a ton of people have been exploited without their knowledge.
It's quite a testament to google that they remain on top for search even with microsoft making MSN the default homepage and microsoft propaganda.
Uh, OO certainly does compete with MS office not to mention it's basically compatible now (can convert from and to ODF/OOXML) I use OO for everything and nobody in our office realizes because guess what? Our enterprise even wanted to swap sans that they had already purchased and are using the 07 purchased licenses. That migration cost in a business is calculated and not worth it as that's hardly a true pressing issue. Formatting and other issues don't really exist anymore.
There is an easy argument for OO/2K7 vs 03 though: storage space. 2K3 documents take up an astronomically larger amount of space vs the alternatives. We're talking 2MB files down to 50k ish. This might not sound like much to you, but for an entire company that archives everything that translates to real cash costs.
2K8? 2K9? Not even on the radar for enterprise. Trust me, beyond all you see, MS is hurting on the computer front. They have other business and make lots of money, but they don't have quite the traction people think.
If you want to see where this stuff is going for future, watch what Lotus and Google wave are doing, because those are the kind of features enterprise wants: realtime collaborative editing. Google's version will be purchased by a lot of enterprises most likely, just like how they open source their search engine and lots of sites (such as government sites) use it.
uh? Lots of companies are not stupid about proprietary crap being obsolete. They are moving away by the droves, and such publication is deliberately hidden from the media due to Microsoft essentially owning the media (you'd be surprised).
Once licensing is done for, for many products, you'll see lots of people switching. Examples of this software are things like Office 2K7. If there's a version released after that, everyone will swap to openoffice as they've already been planning/preparing at an enterprise level. Give it about 5 years and there won't be much proprietary left. Companies that are established understand "in house" costs vs "pay an enterprise and fork over tons extra" in the long run, and moreso due to the economy at large.
Remember, it is not IT, even CIO's, are not the people that make the decisions, it is the business sector. Every part of a company makes the argument of "we're losing money every second we don't do XYZ" but when you can say "we can put things with existing costs down to 0 and make ourselves no longer legally liable" thats when you start speaking to the businessfolks (and get a job in consulting).
The smartest people are those who realize that a program is never "done", its just closed source refuses to fix the problems and tells you things are alright.
If closed source was ever done fully, we'd all be using IE 6 or something, no wouldn't we? Oh, and see how much everyone loves that idea.
You are dead on. What I'm hoping, is that like bad laws, they will use this to creep up the tracking on everything else as well. One can only hope though.
It only takes a single ceo or upper management person with a greed streak, as is commonly the case, to make bad business decisions to subvert all the good work the other people who are success driven and not profit driven, do. Unfortunately, that whole thing is usually called corporatism/capitalism.
Plenty of people on both sides do communicate together. I remember on dark iron we had a faction-shared teamspeak for horde and alliance. Oftentimes spies would come up during pvp and pve events and try to ruin our moment, etc. It was a pvp server, so it was all in good fun.
Meanwhile, as the OP said is correct. This is blizzard trying to channel more money because they are losing people. Sadly, it's been working to a point but I hope they hit critical mass real soon. I'm guessing starcraft 2 will be that point considering there won't be lan support.
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For an asian game, it's definitely raising the bar on visual and gameplay quality. That doesn't mean it's a leader.
As far as having a lasting impact vs Eve and Warcraft, no, it doesn't. Not even on the heels of Warhammer. People in the beta have said the game has no more potential as an endgame than wow does except that the game isn't that polished endgame wise yet.
well, that sure is wonderful. However, with a company as huge as blizzard you really think MS has more clout than them?
Easy answer: blizzard can almost crap out a turd and people will pay for it, ala nintendo at this point. Thus, MS isn't going to do squat about a game refusing lan support. It won't even be a blip on their radar no matter what game it is.
What do you think MS is going to do when it's Blizzard's decision? Do you think they're going to write a strongly worded letter?
Why pay $200 when I can get something such as ubuntu for free? I'm sure I have plenty of options from major retailers if I was a dumbass consumer trying to buy a non windows OS right?
If anything non-windows worked flawless for graphics people would be jumping ship faster than you can even theoreticize and never look back.
Oh, whoops, it's bundled and shoved down people's throats. whoops.
Lan parties have never been obsolete. What do you call 4 people getting together to play a video game, or maybe 2 or 3 consoles getting together to play?
Now what if these are say Xbox consoles with diablo 3, which now have to get online to play?
Guess you're screwed then, huh?
Your reasoning is just off in all ways. Lan parties still exist for tons of reasons such as a: people want to game together and b: some people either don't have the bandwidth to game remotely (but have the PC) or people I don't know, enjoy super great latency on a lan?
Sheesus man, your comment was ignorant.
Really?
I hate MS. I really do. However, to assume they've actually been burning more money than they've been making, is pretty false. Look at their revenue year over year, it's amazing for a huge company. People haven't been investing in them for any reason other than that alone, nor do people need a reason. Remember, shareholders and ethics don't go together in the current market as they should.
People just don't get it from the other perspective too: you don't have to take a loss to lose money. Even if you ride at neutral year over year you'll lose money from other costs such as raises, promotions, loss of employees and thus loss of business, etc.
They have spent huge amounts on lobbying and PR, but on actual office/windows development they have not spent anything above a normal amount considering their staff. If they spent crazy their expenditures would be way up and people would notice and you'd see slashdot articles speculating accordingly. However, MS knows the world has giant magnifying glasses on them and so plenty of financial analysts would note if anything serious is going on.
As is, MS is in a decline, but that doesn't mean they're down and out yet.
If you think companies don't diversify, you are horribly mistaken.
Do you think that Kraft foods only makes cheese for example? Companies diversify into similar fields.
From a consumer point of view you are dead correct in that you are oblivious to the other dealings of many companies. MS makes money from things other than windows and office. Lots of other things. If that was all they did, they'd go broke. They make money off programming deals, etc. The closest thing to say about MS and google is: they both profit from software, internet, and hardware. Thus isn't not even expanding their capability, just more work in a field they already work in.
MS attempts at search have been horrible as they haven't improved anything and have been using them to hide data (look up situations involving bing on that - search anything that is negative about MS). I'm not saying google's attempts at an OS are going to be 100 % successful (as nobody can predict the future with an uneducated guess), but android is optimized for ARM, so it actually makes sense to create a separate OS. Plus, they have a ton of programmers?
Wow, when MS said they had something to announce monday, I didn't think it'd be an article full of spin.
Answer: Whether at MS's behest or not, the ATM company can still take any form of action of their choice. Their hands are not tied. They could switch, find something free, find something that costs them less, make modifications to WinCE and discuss them with MS, etc.
Likewise, whether at the ATM companies behest or not, MS could still take any form of action of their choice and their hands are not tied, either.
Instead, everyone goes "well, lets not acknowledge it" and writes off the cost of silencing a critic/legal fees as cheaper than fixing it in the longterm. This is what we call "idiotic accounting". Companies are supposed to look longterm.
Keepass only works so well if you have a keylogger AND configure it properly. If you have a trojan + keylogger where they can log the entry and download the file, the whole concept is moot.
figure out your password + copy your credential + copy your keepass file? It's not like keepass originated yesterday.
There is no perfect solution. There are "best practices" and thats about the best an average person can hope for.
whats 50 or 100 or 200 grand to a 10 or 20 million dollar loss? Seems like return on investments here are pretty easy to guess.
The whole thing dodges everything from 2001-2005. All they do is put it on Mr. Yoo. It's very light on details to a good point un until 05-07. Surprise = 0. The whole thing is a giant circljerk/clusterfuck about whose fault it is.
Companies only move upon losses and public fiascos. Politeness should be gone by 8 months. Honestly, "this can slash your profits to 0 or below" doesn't sound like a cause for concern?
I'm sure departments within the company can make that same argument for losses but those are harder to take care of than simple software fixes that people are nice enough to be willing to tell them what the issue is. I mean how much easier can you get than someone else doing the job for you, that you didn't do originally? etc etc.
Was this meant to be sarcasm or stupid that it covers Antarctica, or were you just karma whoring?
Did they really realize that they basically made a menstruating billboard? At least it doesn't yell at people or have emotional breakdowns.
So lets see here.
Out of a ton of news aggregators, one is going to charge money for it? Clearly slashdot must feel threatened too.
I wish I knew enough about this stuff to make a good guess. From a time perspective though I can see where you are going in that there will be replacements to H264 and possibly Ogg will still be around by then, at a later time of implementation.
Really, by not forcing a codec on HTML5, what does that do/what impact? I don't really understand. Can someone clarify?
That was about the worst wording you can attempt for what you just tried to imply. Oh, and I was referring to you, not to me. You got a reply to your other comment where someone used 3.1 to run the example documents that were provided and were showing screenshot results. Or did you fail to notice that?
I'm sure glad that you confirmed something noone else can verify or even recognize. I'm not about to mark you a freak or foe, but I don't see a lot of healthy discussion coming out of here.
as a humorous aside: "lol you got owned". I'm not saying you're a MS shill, but maybe you should try not to be so skeptical of open source improvements. Typically the millisecond someone voices about something being incompatible the first thing people do is find a way to implement it successfully and make it compatible. That's the flexibility advantage of open source.
I can't think of a program or a general perspective on programming of which that doesn't apply in general. Especially considering forks of code, it's almost guaranteed.
For OO to have one version that is imperfect and then the next one (or even a patch a week later) fixes the problem and then nobody bothers to check and just writes off the software can be either viewed as misleading, misunderstanding, or ignorant.
Lies.
There was no uninstall on the first version. You only had the option to disable. Uninstall required registry work.
New version can uninstall, but hey, whoops, we already put it on a bunch of originals, so tough shit as we already got our illegal snag.
See how this works?
So even if they correct bing from forcing itself to be default (as that's what setting MSN to homepage amounts to), a ton of people have been exploited without their knowledge.
It's quite a testament to google that they remain on top for search even with microsoft making MSN the default homepage and microsoft propaganda.
Uh, OO certainly does compete with MS office not to mention it's basically compatible now (can convert from and to ODF/OOXML) I use OO for everything and nobody in our office realizes because guess what? Our enterprise even wanted to swap sans that they had already purchased and are using the 07 purchased licenses. That migration cost in a business is calculated and not worth it as that's hardly a true pressing issue. Formatting and other issues don't really exist anymore.
There is an easy argument for OO/2K7 vs 03 though: storage space. 2K3 documents take up an astronomically larger amount of space vs the alternatives. We're talking 2MB files down to 50k ish. This might not sound like much to you, but for an entire company that archives everything that translates to real cash costs.
2K8? 2K9? Not even on the radar for enterprise. Trust me, beyond all you see, MS is hurting on the computer front. They have other business and make lots of money, but they don't have quite the traction people think.
If you want to see where this stuff is going for future, watch what Lotus and Google wave are doing, because those are the kind of features enterprise wants: realtime collaborative editing. Google's version will be purchased by a lot of enterprises most likely, just like how they open source their search engine and lots of sites (such as government sites) use it.
uh? Lots of companies are not stupid about proprietary crap being obsolete. They are moving away by the droves, and such publication is deliberately hidden from the media due to Microsoft essentially owning the media (you'd be surprised).
Once licensing is done for, for many products, you'll see lots of people switching. Examples of this software are things like Office 2K7. If there's a version released after that, everyone will swap to openoffice as they've already been planning/preparing at an enterprise level. Give it about 5 years and there won't be much proprietary left. Companies that are established understand "in house" costs vs "pay an enterprise and fork over tons extra" in the long run, and moreso due to the economy at large.
Remember, it is not IT, even CIO's, are not the people that make the decisions, it is the business sector. Every part of a company makes the argument of "we're losing money every second we don't do XYZ" but when you can say "we can put things with existing costs down to 0 and make ourselves no longer legally liable" thats when you start speaking to the businessfolks (and get a job in consulting).
Really? Closed source every does something fully?
The smartest people are those who realize that a program is never "done", its just closed source refuses to fix the problems and tells you things are alright.
If closed source was ever done fully, we'd all be using IE 6 or something, no wouldn't we? Oh, and see how much everyone loves that idea.
You are dead on. What I'm hoping, is that like bad laws, they will use this to creep up the tracking on everything else as well. One can only hope though.
It only takes a single ceo or upper management person with a greed streak, as is commonly the case, to make bad business decisions to subvert all the good work the other people who are success driven and not profit driven, do. Unfortunately, that whole thing is usually called corporatism/capitalism.
Plenty of people on both sides do communicate together. I remember on dark iron we had a faction-shared teamspeak for horde and alliance. Oftentimes spies would come up during pvp and pve events and try to ruin our moment, etc. It was a pvp server, so it was all in good fun.
Meanwhile, as the OP said is correct. This is blizzard trying to channel more money because they are losing people. Sadly, it's been working to a point but I hope they hit critical mass real soon. I'm guessing starcraft 2 will be that point considering there won't be lan support.