right. and she's dead because of HIV, not because he doesn't like condoms
Bad example. Unless your talking about rape, (which "he doesn't like condoms" is a weird thing to say when discussing rape) she is dead from HIV because SHE doesn't like condoms, and he is dead because HE doesn't like condoms. Absolving women of responsibility for their poor choices is not helpful to the discussion and makes a poor example.
That is actually wrong. If you do not have the freedom to truly believe in a religion, you do not have a freedom of religion. Now, remember that people who actually believe in their religion KNOW it to be fact. They KNOW it to be a fact just the same as you and I know that force = mass times acceleration is a fact. Now, given that these people "know" their religion to be true, many of them are faced with a choice. That choice is risking their child's life and maybe someone else's, or risking that their child will be put through an unimaginable torment for literally an infinite amount of time. Calling that "selfish" would mean you don't understand the other side of the issue. Now, you could call them idiotic, but saying they are idiotic because they chose a risk of short life over a risk of eternal torment makes no sense.
To call them idiotic, you would have to call them that for believing in the religion in the first place. I would say that your statement which indicates a belief that religious freedom has value, yet dismisses it without thought "is proof that you are morally and intellectually immature and have not given much thought to the nature of freedom or are unable to give much thought, period"
Your statement makes no sense. You claim that everyone who is anti-vaccine is in on some kind of conspiracy, yet you also claim that some of them are only anti-vaccine because they are scared idiots who are not in on the conspiracy. You would make more progress if you presented an argument that made sense. It isn't like there aren't plenty of good arguments for vaccination.
Part of the problem is that in the vaccination debate, mild diseases like the Flu and Chicken Pox are lumped in with hard core diseases like Polio and Smallpox. Heck, I have even been hearing ads claiming that getting vaccinated for Shingles is necessary because it is a serious killer.
It seems to me that the vaccinate with everything crowed are just as dumb as the don't vaccinate for anything crowed. They claim the intellectual high road, but don't look at their own numbers. They are also so busy calling the don't vaccinate for anything crowd names that they fail to make compelling arguments that could win over a good number of the don't vaccinate for anything crowed.
For example, the don't vaccinate crowed complains about Autism. I don't believe vaccines cause Autism. (Heck, I wouldn't even cause Autism a disease. I would just one facet of the human condition, and we all fall somewhere on the scale.) The fact that I don't believe vaccines cause Autism doesn't mean that I cannot recognize that others (right or wrong) do. So, I can call them names, which will only make them dig their heels in deeper, OR I can point out that the diseases being vaccinated for cause more deaths than the number of cases of Autism that exists. Thus, even if 100% of the cases of Autism were caused by vaccinations, it would still be the best choice to get your kid vaccinated for the baddies like Polio and Smallpox.
Contrary to the vaccine as a religion crowd's beliefs, the anti-vaccine crowed are generally not sociopaths, and they are not doing it out of blind faith. They just happen to be wrong, and they are regularly bombarded with people insulting them and then making obviously incorrect statements themselves.
So if your goal is to actually have them vaccinate their kids and your goal isn't to just have an excuse to call people names, have them give you the numbers for the number of kids with Autism, and the number of kids that died prior to the vaccine, and let them do the math.
So, where do you put someone that looks at the numbers published by the CDC and sees that letting your child play high school football is a bigger childhood risk than getting Chicken Pox; sees the numbers published by the CDC and sees that the risk to adults from Chicken Pox is 10x that of a child; and then sees the numbers published by the CDC that show the Chicken Pox vaccine does not offer life long immunity to the disease, and is likely just pushing a major childhood inconvenience off to become a serious health risk in adulthood?
Certainly, you wouldn't claim that actually reading the data, doing the math and making decisions based of the data instead of a press release makes someone a moron. I know that I do worry about my child, and feel bad for the kids who's parents don't bother to look at the data, seeing the Chicken Pox vaccine as a way to make a little extra money by not having to take a week off work, so you wouldn't call me a sociopath. Again, I actually read the data and made a decision based on the data instead of taking the word vaccine as holy gospel, so Creationist and Flat-Earther is out. My child has had all of the other vaccines (polio, whooping cough, MMR, etc) so anti-vaxxer wouldn't make sense.
Personally, I see just as many morons calling out insults to anyone that doesn't blindly follow the holy word "vaccine" as I do people who blindly shun it. So, if the anti-vaxxers are the "Creationists", then the every-vaxxer is the "Intellectual Designer".
As a youth, I knew more than one kid that ended up having to turn to burglary or prostitution because of child labor laws. While the idea of child labor laws is a good one in general, there is a dark side to it as well.
I will give you a criticism of a regular vaccination that has nothing to do with autism. It is the Chicken Pox vaccine. Look up the death/permanent injury rate for Chicken Pox in children. It is about in line with the flu. It is less than then the death/permanent injury rate for kids who play high school football, and is pretty close to that for kids riding to school in a school bus. In other words, Chicken Pox cannot be classified as much more than a major childhood inconvenience.
Now consider that the death/permanent injury rate for adult's with Chicken Pox is around 10x that of children. Also consider that the Chicken Pox vaccine has thus far failed to offer life long immunity to the disease. That leaves you with a situation where the current vaccinations have a good chance of causing a serious epidemic later where instead of a major childhood inconvenience, you have a lot of adults facing a life threatening disease.
Like you, I have immunized my child against the serious illnesses, although unlike you (I presume) I did not get my child the Chicken Pox vaccine. If by puberty, he has not contracted the disease and achieved life long immunity, I will get him the vaccine, as by that time he will have already be moving into the higher risk category.
The problem I see is that Chicken Pox is included in the list. That herd immunity, so far has shown to be temporary with that particular vaccine. Thus, the vaccine isn't giving something back to the community, it is more likely increasing the risk of death to the members of the community.
While sterility isn't my concern, there is a problem with the chickenpox vaccine. Per the CDC's own numbers on Chicken Pox, the chance of injury or death are greater by letting your child play high school football than they are by taking your child to a pox party. Add to that the fact that the Chicken Pox has not shown to offer life long immunity, and thus we are seriously running the risk of converting a major childhood inconvenience into an adult life and death risk.
No more of a "legitimate military target" than a tea ship. Honestly, every person I know is more terrified of our own government at this point than of someone blowing up a plane or building.
What's amusing is the new conspiracy theory that Fox News is controlling major portions of the population. It has become a standard "witch" cry. Don't like what someone says, and it isn't strict party line Democrat, and the person must be a "Witch!!!"...err..."Fox News Watcher!!!"
The active military, and the many wars through history soundly disprove your claim that people won't kill, even for a bad cause. We are not just talking about the good of humanity. We are talking about the scientists own children. Would you kill to save your child from being murdered? Obviously, neither of us can put an exact number on how many people would kill someone that was actively trying and capable of murdering their children, but I think it is safe to say it is more than a trivial percentage.
Secondly, if the claims of global warming are true, it IS like Mussolini, Pol Pot, or Hitler. None of the mass killings were being done by one person either. Do you think that Pol Pot was out their going from farm to farm himself and pulling the trigger? Of course not. Claiming that we all use the oil is no different than all of Germany using the resources supplied by the Nazi Party. Oil is used because it is cheap. If it stopped being cheap, alternatives would happen. If dealing in oil became life threatening, fewer people would be willing to do it, and the price would rise sharply. Society certainly could survive without oil for fuel. If the tap shut off tomorrow, it would certainly be painful, but renegade scientists wouldn't shut the tap off over night.
any thoughts of murdering some BP executives (even though they would richly deserve it for what they did in the Gulf
This comment, I think a common one, and shows either a profound misunderstanding of what is being claimed by, or shows a distinct disbelief in what is being claimed. The Gulf spill was a minor blip on the radar in comparison to what is being claimed in regards to AGW. The Gulf spill has no chance of being an extinction level event. The claims on AGW is that it is an extinction level event for humanity. Any climate scientist who had any thoughts of murdering some BP executives would realize that they would be fighting for the very existence of humanity, and more directly they would be fighting to save their very own children from a slow painful murder. Remember. We are talking about a group that supposedly "KNOWS FOR A FACT" that the continued pumping of oil and mining of coal is going to painfully murder their children.
Your example of SkyTran is a good example of "environmentalist" that really aren't. SkyTran as described on your link if a failure before it even starts. It does not in any way address the use case of most cars. It is a last mile failure. It makes about as much sense as suggesting we all get rid of our current internet access and move to a more efficient system where we drive a few miles to get to a connection. Throw some wheels on that thing, make the pods themselves private vehicles, and make them so that they can detach to drive the last few miles to the user's actual destination, and you would have something useful. Without a last mile system, it is definitly a non-starter, and without the ability to store personal belongings in the pod, it likely is. As it currently is described, it would at best be an additional system to what is already available.
I have the same situation as you, but it is important to realize that we are in the minority. When unemployment is ridiculously high, the advice to just quit the job and let someone else suffer your idiot boss isn't helpful.
If that is the real reason, then they are horribly lacking in business sense. It isn't like piracy is new. If anything, it is far less common than it ever has been. The claim that they won't finish it because piracy exists inherently includes the claim that they did not know that piracy existed when they started the project, or they thought that 3+ decades into the home video game industry's life, they expected piracy to magically disappear.
Both of those arguments are simply too stupid to be believable. A claim that they won't start a project might be believable, but claiming that they are abandoning a project that they have already invested money into because of a problem that has only gotten less severe is not.
Funny, just tonight I was eating dinner with someone who was trying to be polite to her family for buying her an iPad after she had specifically told them she was looking for a 7" android tablet. This person definitely is not a "nerd".
It is not an iPad market. Apple timed their entry well, and Google was slow to respond, but the tablet market is still tiny and ready to grow. Thinking Apple has it all locked up is just wishful thinking.
I did a 6 week road trip last summer, and across the 16 states I passed through, Wyoming and the National Parks were the only places I didn't get good service. Locally here in Northern California, my service is better than Verizon. The claim that T-Mobile has bad coverage is a myth.
It does throw some doubt into their claim. We are talking about the end of humanity. Would you kill to stop someone from destroying all human life? Their claim is that BP executives are worse than the Third Reich, Mussolini, and Pol Pot combined. The fact that not one of them has tried to rid the world of that kind of evil through their conviction into question.
They are claiming to conclusively know for a fact that these companies are carrying out mass murder on a scale never before seen by humanity.
Your description makes it sound like the tree ring data is totally unreliable. If you have a temperature measuring tool that has been giving bad data for half a century and you don't know why, you don't just claim everything early as correct. The link you point to basically gives a name to the problem of tree rings being an unreliable, and thus flawed measurement tool, and the "trick" "to hide the decline" being an actual trick to hide the decline that their data showed.
So, again, what you describe sounds completely damning. So, why wasn't the data from tree rings thrown out after being completely debunked, or is there a piece missing in your explanation?
Your hatred of Americans is misplaced. It isn't that Americans don't like to share. It is that America is a group as large and diverse as the entire EU. Some Americans don't like to share. Many just don't like having the guy sitting at a huge buffet telling them that they should split the sandwich that they were given "for the good of the community". The see the request not as a benefit to the community, but a way to make the company's buffet a little bigger, and leaving the community with just a little less. In fact, you will get shut down if the utilities catch you supplying water or power to your neighbor.
What you describe sounds completely damning. So, was the data from tree rings thrown out after being completely debunked, or is there a piece missing in your explanation?
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right. and she's dead because of HIV, not because he doesn't like condoms
Bad example. Unless your talking about rape, (which "he doesn't like condoms" is a weird thing to say when discussing rape) she is dead from HIV because SHE doesn't like condoms, and he is dead because HE doesn't like condoms. Absolving women of responsibility for their poor choices is not helpful to the discussion and makes a poor example.
That is actually wrong. If you do not have the freedom to truly believe in a religion, you do not have a freedom of religion. Now, remember that people who actually believe in their religion KNOW it to be fact. They KNOW it to be a fact just the same as you and I know that force = mass times acceleration is a fact. Now, given that these people "know" their religion to be true, many of them are faced with a choice. That choice is risking their child's life and maybe someone else's, or risking that their child will be put through an unimaginable torment for literally an infinite amount of time. Calling that "selfish" would mean you don't understand the other side of the issue. Now, you could call them idiotic, but saying they are idiotic because they chose a risk of short life over a risk of eternal torment makes no sense.
To call them idiotic, you would have to call them that for believing in the religion in the first place. I would say that your statement which indicates a belief that religious freedom has value, yet dismisses it without thought "is proof that you are morally and intellectually immature and have not given much thought to the nature of freedom or are unable to give much thought, period"
Your statement makes no sense. You claim that everyone who is anti-vaccine is in on some kind of conspiracy, yet you also claim that some of them are only anti-vaccine because they are scared idiots who are not in on the conspiracy. You would make more progress if you presented an argument that made sense. It isn't like there aren't plenty of good arguments for vaccination.
That one is sad. Chiropractics in theory is not, but many many (Most?) chiropractors are.
Part of the problem is that in the vaccination debate, mild diseases like the Flu and Chicken Pox are lumped in with hard core diseases like Polio and Smallpox. Heck, I have even been hearing ads claiming that getting vaccinated for Shingles is necessary because it is a serious killer.
It seems to me that the vaccinate with everything crowed are just as dumb as the don't vaccinate for anything crowed. They claim the intellectual high road, but don't look at their own numbers. They are also so busy calling the don't vaccinate for anything crowd names that they fail to make compelling arguments that could win over a good number of the don't vaccinate for anything crowed.
For example, the don't vaccinate crowed complains about Autism. I don't believe vaccines cause Autism. (Heck, I wouldn't even cause Autism a disease. I would just one facet of the human condition, and we all fall somewhere on the scale.) The fact that I don't believe vaccines cause Autism doesn't mean that I cannot recognize that others (right or wrong) do. So, I can call them names, which will only make them dig their heels in deeper, OR I can point out that the diseases being vaccinated for cause more deaths than the number of cases of Autism that exists. Thus, even if 100% of the cases of Autism were caused by vaccinations, it would still be the best choice to get your kid vaccinated for the baddies like Polio and Smallpox.
Contrary to the vaccine as a religion crowd's beliefs, the anti-vaccine crowed are generally not sociopaths, and they are not doing it out of blind faith. They just happen to be wrong, and they are regularly bombarded with people insulting them and then making obviously incorrect statements themselves.
So if your goal is to actually have them vaccinate their kids and your goal isn't to just have an excuse to call people names, have them give you the numbers for the number of kids with Autism, and the number of kids that died prior to the vaccine, and let them do the math.
You should really re-read what you wrote. It is way into the realm of newspeak.
So, where do you put someone that looks at the numbers published by the CDC and sees that letting your child play high school football is a bigger childhood risk than getting Chicken Pox; sees the numbers published by the CDC and sees that the risk to adults from Chicken Pox is 10x that of a child; and then sees the numbers published by the CDC that show the Chicken Pox vaccine does not offer life long immunity to the disease, and is likely just pushing a major childhood inconvenience off to become a serious health risk in adulthood?
Certainly, you wouldn't claim that actually reading the data, doing the math and making decisions based of the data instead of a press release makes someone a moron. I know that I do worry about my child, and feel bad for the kids who's parents don't bother to look at the data, seeing the Chicken Pox vaccine as a way to make a little extra money by not having to take a week off work, so you wouldn't call me a sociopath. Again, I actually read the data and made a decision based on the data instead of taking the word vaccine as holy gospel, so Creationist and Flat-Earther is out. My child has had all of the other vaccines (polio, whooping cough, MMR, etc) so anti-vaxxer wouldn't make sense.
Personally, I see just as many morons calling out insults to anyone that doesn't blindly follow the holy word "vaccine" as I do people who blindly shun it. So, if the anti-vaxxers are the "Creationists", then the every-vaxxer is the "Intellectual Designer".
As a youth, I knew more than one kid that ended up having to turn to burglary or prostitution because of child labor laws. While the idea of child labor laws is a good one in general, there is a dark side to it as well.
I will give you a criticism of a regular vaccination that has nothing to do with autism. It is the Chicken Pox vaccine. Look up the death/permanent injury rate for Chicken Pox in children. It is about in line with the flu. It is less than then the death/permanent injury rate for kids who play high school football, and is pretty close to that for kids riding to school in a school bus. In other words, Chicken Pox cannot be classified as much more than a major childhood inconvenience.
Now consider that the death/permanent injury rate for adult's with Chicken Pox is around 10x that of children. Also consider that the Chicken Pox vaccine has thus far failed to offer life long immunity to the disease. That leaves you with a situation where the current vaccinations have a good chance of causing a serious epidemic later where instead of a major childhood inconvenience, you have a lot of adults facing a life threatening disease.
Like you, I have immunized my child against the serious illnesses, although unlike you (I presume) I did not get my child the Chicken Pox vaccine. If by puberty, he has not contracted the disease and achieved life long immunity, I will get him the vaccine, as by that time he will have already be moving into the higher risk category.
The problem I see is that Chicken Pox is included in the list. That herd immunity, so far has shown to be temporary with that particular vaccine. Thus, the vaccine isn't giving something back to the community, it is more likely increasing the risk of death to the members of the community.
While sterility isn't my concern, there is a problem with the chickenpox vaccine. Per the CDC's own numbers on Chicken Pox, the chance of injury or death are greater by letting your child play high school football than they are by taking your child to a pox party. Add to that the fact that the Chicken Pox has not shown to offer life long immunity, and thus we are seriously running the risk of converting a major childhood inconvenience into an adult life and death risk.
No more of a "legitimate military target" than a tea ship. Honestly, every person I know is more terrified of our own government at this point than of someone blowing up a plane or building.
What's amusing is the new conspiracy theory that Fox News is controlling major portions of the population. It has become a standard "witch" cry. Don't like what someone says, and it isn't strict party line Democrat, and the person must be a "Witch!!!"...err..."Fox News Watcher!!!"
Secondly, if the claims of global warming are true, it IS like Mussolini, Pol Pot, or Hitler. None of the mass killings were being done by one person either. Do you think that Pol Pot was out their going from farm to farm himself and pulling the trigger? Of course not. Claiming that we all use the oil is no different than all of Germany using the resources supplied by the Nazi Party. Oil is used because it is cheap. If it stopped being cheap, alternatives would happen. If dealing in oil became life threatening, fewer people would be willing to do it, and the price would rise sharply. Society certainly could survive without oil for fuel. If the tap shut off tomorrow, it would certainly be painful, but renegade scientists wouldn't shut the tap off over night.
any thoughts of murdering some BP executives (even though they would richly deserve it for what they did in the Gulf
This comment, I think a common one, and shows either a profound misunderstanding of what is being claimed by, or shows a distinct disbelief in what is being claimed. The Gulf spill was a minor blip on the radar in comparison to what is being claimed in regards to AGW. The Gulf spill has no chance of being an extinction level event. The claims on AGW is that it is an extinction level event for humanity. Any climate scientist who had any thoughts of murdering some BP executives would realize that they would be fighting for the very existence of humanity, and more directly they would be fighting to save their very own children from a slow painful murder. Remember. We are talking about a group that supposedly "KNOWS FOR A FACT" that the continued pumping of oil and mining of coal is going to painfully murder their children.
Your example of SkyTran is a good example of "environmentalist" that really aren't. SkyTran as described on your link if a failure before it even starts. It does not in any way address the use case of most cars. It is a last mile failure. It makes about as much sense as suggesting we all get rid of our current internet access and move to a more efficient system where we drive a few miles to get to a connection. Throw some wheels on that thing, make the pods themselves private vehicles, and make them so that they can detach to drive the last few miles to the user's actual destination, and you would have something useful. Without a last mile system, it is definitly a non-starter, and without the ability to store personal belongings in the pod, it likely is. As it currently is described, it would at best be an additional system to what is already available.
I have the same situation as you, but it is important to realize that we are in the minority. When unemployment is ridiculously high, the advice to just quit the job and let someone else suffer your idiot boss isn't helpful.
I am with you. I love the fact that I can crank away at work, and look over to seem my son reading a book, playing a game, or doing his schoolwork.
Funny, I think GOG is DRM done right.
If that is the real reason, then they are horribly lacking in business sense. It isn't like piracy is new. If anything, it is far less common than it ever has been. The claim that they won't finish it because piracy exists inherently includes the claim that they did not know that piracy existed when they started the project, or they thought that 3+ decades into the home video game industry's life, they expected piracy to magically disappear.
Both of those arguments are simply too stupid to be believable. A claim that they won't start a project might be believable, but claiming that they are abandoning a project that they have already invested money into because of a problem that has only gotten less severe is not.
They play on the Wii????
Funny, just tonight I was eating dinner with someone who was trying to be polite to her family for buying her an iPad after she had specifically told them she was looking for a 7" android tablet. This person definitely is not a "nerd".
It is not an iPad market. Apple timed their entry well, and Google was slow to respond, but the tablet market is still tiny and ready to grow. Thinking Apple has it all locked up is just wishful thinking.
I did a 6 week road trip last summer, and across the 16 states I passed through, Wyoming and the National Parks were the only places I didn't get good service. Locally here in Northern California, my service is better than Verizon. The claim that T-Mobile has bad coverage is a myth.
It does throw some doubt into their claim. We are talking about the end of humanity. Would you kill to stop someone from destroying all human life? Their claim is that BP executives are worse than the Third Reich, Mussolini, and Pol Pot combined. The fact that not one of them has tried to rid the world of that kind of evil through their conviction into question.
They are claiming to conclusively know for a fact that these companies are carrying out mass murder on a scale never before seen by humanity.
Your description makes it sound like the tree ring data is totally unreliable. If you have a temperature measuring tool that has been giving bad data for half a century and you don't know why, you don't just claim everything early as correct. The link you point to basically gives a name to the problem of tree rings being an unreliable, and thus flawed measurement tool, and the "trick" "to hide the decline" being an actual trick to hide the decline that their data showed.
So, again, what you describe sounds completely damning. So, why wasn't the data from tree rings thrown out after being completely debunked, or is there a piece missing in your explanation?
Your hatred of Americans is misplaced. It isn't that Americans don't like to share. It is that America is a group as large and diverse as the entire EU. Some Americans don't like to share. Many just don't like having the guy sitting at a huge buffet telling them that they should split the sandwich that they were given "for the good of the community". The see the request not as a benefit to the community, but a way to make the company's buffet a little bigger, and leaving the community with just a little less. In fact, you will get shut down if the utilities catch you supplying water or power to your neighbor.
What you describe sounds completely damning. So, was the data from tree rings thrown out after being completely debunked, or is there a piece missing in your explanation?