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AT&T Stops T-Mobile Merger Bid With the FCC

An anonymous reader writes Relationships are tough and it looks like AT&T and T-Mobile's has stopped before it even started. From the article: 'AT&T and T-Mobile have announced that they will remove their pending applications to the FCC for their merger bid. This comes after statements from the FCC chairman 'strongly opposing the merger'. In doing so, AT&T has agreed to pay T-Mobile 4 Billion US dollars to cover accounting and other costs that this may have caused. While AT&T would still like to merge, it is unlikely that they will gain antitrust clearance from the Department of Justice. It's the antitrust aspect that this is mostly about, in that AT&T has said that they want this move to free up the FCC to consider all options, and focus both AT&T and T-Mobile on the pending antitrust.'"

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  1. Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yay!

    That means the T-Mobile commercials with that hot girl in pink will continue!

    1. Re:Perfect! by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      That means the T-Mobile commercials with that hot girl in pink will continue!

      I'm pretty sure AT&T would have bought her as well. She's way hotter than anyone who ever sold Verizon...

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    2. Re:Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      You're just saying that because you haven't seen the "Can you hear me now?" guy in a magenta miniskirt.

    3. Re:Perfect! by reub2000 · · Score: 2

      I just wanted AT&T to have commercials where people randomly starting dancing in a train station.

    4. Re:Perfect! by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Dude, they rescheduled that for 12:30

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    5. Re:Perfect! by ksd1337 · · Score: 1

      James Earl Jones is gonna have a problem with you.

    6. Re:Perfect! by garyebickford · · Score: 2

      Great. Now can you please send my the sandpaper to get that image off my eyes... :P

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    7. Re:Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They do have one. It's not a very good one, though.

    8. Re:Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now I have an image of James Earl Jones in a magenta miniskirt stuck in my head. Thanks a lot.

    9. Re:Perfect! by davester666 · · Score: 1

      You'll need twice the amount of sandpaper once you start picturing JEJ doing the "Can you hear me now?" guy...

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    10. Re:Perfect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She is certainly put T-Mobile in view. We don't have T-Mobile in this area but I sure enjoy the commercials....hot hot hot....

  2. Holy Shit! The Solution to Global Warming! by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Hell just froze over. I am not sure I can sleep tonight.

    1. Re:Holy Shit! The Solution to Global Warming! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 0

      Hell just froze over. I am not sure I can sleep tonight.

      Oh, that's just Global Warming. Had nothing to do with AT&T.

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    2. Re:Holy Shit! The Solution to Global Warming! by antdude · · Score: 1

      For now... :(

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  3. Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by damn_registrars · · Score: 4, Insightful

    T-Mobile is now officially my #1 entry. Deutsche Telekom was looking to get rid of them, and I don't see them being likely to hold in there very long without them.

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    1. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or you could just buy before this news reaches the day traders...

    2. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Burdell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I expect T-Mobile will still be sold, just not to another major mobile phone provider. I wouldn't be surprised if CenturyLink ends up buying them; they are the largest telecom company without a mobile presence.

      There's too many customers and too much spectrum for them to just be shut down. They're even still showing growth, just not as much as AT&T and Verizon (and not as much as Deutsche Telekom would like).

    3. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I expect T-Mobile will still be sold, just not to another major mobile phone provider.

      I disagree. I think T-Mobile has reached a state of corporate radioactivity. Their coverage is mediocre, their pricing is nothing extraordinary. and they have the worst phones of any major US carrier.

      T-Mobile is the only major carrier in the US who does not carry the iPhone (as just one example). T-Mobile hasn't had a new BlackBerry phone in a very, very, long time (as another example). If they can't get phone manufacturers to believe in them, how will they get a potential investor to? They have one foot in the grave already and there is nobody looking to throw them a line.

      There's too many customers and too much spectrum for them to just be shut down.

      Too many customers is not a valid reason for a company to stick around. T-Mobile customers will just become prey for the remaining carriers. They'll be in liquidation before 3Q 2012 and AT&T will be buying up their towers in cities where they want to increase their coverage. The rest of their towers will become roosts for birds.

      They're even still showing growth

      Any idiot can grow a cell phone company right now. Teenagers are viewing phones as a right-of-passage in this country today, and kids younger than them are getting them at an alarming rate as well. That is new customers coming in off the street without having to do anything at all, and as long as text messages stay expensive the providers have a gold mine by way of all those kids.

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    4. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.yehforgames.com/

    5. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by sdnoob · · Score: 2

      centurylink won't happen.. they just took on over 10 billion in debt (overall debt now is 20+ billion) from the quest buyout... .... and you wouldn't want it to, either. they suck.

      besides, they were in the wireless game.. but the clueless morons that run the company sold that part off back in 2002 (to what was then, alltel).. idiots.. friggin idiots

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      about time the government puts their foot down on these mega mergers... everybody wins.. especially tmobile. 4 billion in cash and spectrum is a pretty sweet haul.

    6. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      they have the worst phones of any major US carrier.

      T-Mobile has the mytouch 4g slide, which is currently the only qwerty phone with a dual core cpu ... i certainly would prefer that over my single core Epic...

    7. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by kilodelta · · Score: 0

      Thing is, T-Mobile is a GSM carrier. That's why at&t wanted them in the first place because at&t is going in that direction too.

      But I'm glad this deal is off. We don't need MORE consolidation of the market.

    8. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by hedwards · · Score: 1

      That might be so, but they're a hell of a lot better than Comcrap and Qwest. I see their trucks all over the place these days and it's way more frequently than can reasonably be explained by maintenance. I never saw this many Qwest or Comcast vehicles doing maintenance.

      Plus, they've actually upgraded the service that they're willing to provide over what Qwest was providing.

    9. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is why Apple will shockingly buy them and then make them the only domestic iPhone carrier once their deals with other companies are over.

    10. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by swalve · · Score: 1

      T-Mobil had the new Blackberry Bold before AT&T did.

    11. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by guruevi · · Score: 1

      I thought the iPhone 4S had 2 cores as well as the Motorola Atrix and a few other newer Androids.

      Either way, nobody cares in consumer-space whether or not you have more than 1 core. Can it call and download Angry Birds is all they're interested in.

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    12. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      I'm guessing Carlos Slim, or that guy that owns most of the cell providers in Africa. Or the one in Brazil... Someone with both cash AND an entrepreneurial spirit that can recognize and take advantage of the potential. 4G does provide an opening as everyone has to build out. Realize that T-Mobile started out as a mundane customer-owned power utility in Idaho, had a short and unfortunate stint as a national fiber optics long-haul provider, then morphed again into the cell business. It has come a long way through many perils to get where it is. And AFAIK they still have the nicest customer service folks of any US provider.

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    13. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by garyebickford · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Those customers are worth between $250 (the costs cell companies are now paying to acquire each new customer) and $500 (a reasonable one-year follow-on profit per customer) each to another provider - but none of the Big Three can now touch T-Mobile. So it's going to be a new entrant. T-Mobile is an excellent way to buy into the US market for someone with the balls and the resources to do it.

      If they had another few $billion they could build out their network as the best nationwide 4G, and expand their customer base with ridiculous incentives. (Just for instance, imagine a network so good that they could support their entire customer base with full-time streaming, 24 hours, no limits. Overkill? I don't know. It's just an example.) If they can manage to do all that, and grow fast but not so fast that they lose the great customer service that they used to have (and I hope they still have - I had to leave T-Mobile several years ago for work reasons), they could be a major player.

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    14. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      AT&T is *IN* that direction, been GSM since Cingular, actually before.

      This was always about spectrum for AT&T. For DT, it's more about ditching a non-core distraction. For cash.

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    15. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      Jobs always wanted to be a carrier. It could work, but they would need to grow coverage bigtime.

      Google is not interested in that. Trust Me.

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    16. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by BenJCarter · · Score: 1

      Very interesting. Centurylink is Huge. I think the 4B AT&T is coughing up might prolong T-Mobile's independence a bit though.

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    17. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you so caught up in thanksgiving that when you read QWERTY you heard TURKEY instead?

    18. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the droid 3 is a full qwerty dual core phone, and it has been out for 4 months

    19. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Google should buy them.

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    20. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by faedle · · Score: 1

      You "see their trucks all over the place" mostly because CenturyLink has painted all of the trucks.

      I know for a fact that many of the vehicles Qwest operated here in Portland were not painted at all. At the CO up the street it wasn't unusual to see about a third of the vans as plain-white. Add to that the fact that Qwest's (like most utilities) vehicles kind-of blend into the landscape after a while. It's likely that you didn't notice them because.. well, there's nothing to notice. You're noticing the CenturyLink vans because.. well, it's new.

      Given that CenturyLink hasn't gone on a massive hiring spree after the merger (in fact, I know that more than one business unit has been under a hiring freeze since the merger) it's more likely that it is in your head.

    21. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by faedle · · Score: 1

      "not painted at all" should have been more accurately "branded". Of course they were painted.

      And that makes sense now that I think about it: Qwest had been looking for somebody to buy them out for at least a couple of years before CenturyLink counted their pennies to see if they had enough.

    22. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile hasn't had a new BlackBerry phone in a very, very, long time (as another example).

      Actually, a month or so back I was in a T-Mobile store (checking out inexpensive pay-as-you-go service for my jailbroken and unlocked iPhone) and they had the latest Blackberry with the touch screen. I don't know the model (don't care about Blackberry phones) but they are certainly getting the latest phones.

      Part of the reason for not having the iPhone is that Apple doesn't want to devote the time or effort to supporting T-Mobile's 3G spectrum. My iPhone 3GS works fine with T-Mobile, except that I can't get 3G.

    23. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Their coverage might not be all that great in the middle of the desert like Verizon is, but I've got Verizon in one pocket (courtesy of work), and T-Mo in the other. In the New York suburb where I live, coverage is mostly comparable; places where T-Mo drops the call, my Verizon phone is showing less than -100dbm coverage itself. Also, while I've found Verizon to have a bit better latency numbers, my download speed on T-Mo 3G is sometimes double Verizon's numbers, likely due to the fact that there are relatively fewer people saturating the backhaul.

      As for phones, fine, they don't have the iPhone officially. They do, however, unofficially support unlocked iPhone models on their network. T-Mobile has the Blackberry Torch now, though using a Blackberry as an example did cause a slight lol. They have more Android phones than anyone else, in more form factors, and if memory serves more WP7 phones as well.

      While I unfortunately agree that T-Mo's future is questionable, I think that making it well known that they're officially not becoming AT&T will likely help spur sales. I knew a lot of people who were considering going to T-Mo, but didn't want to become AT&T customers. This may restore enough confidence to make the growth start happening for them.

    24. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Weezul · · Score: 1

      You realize that T-mobile just obtained $4B from AT&T, right?

      China should buy them, lower the prices, expand the coverage, and use them for spying on American businesses. lol

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    25. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      I'll top that last statement... my contract was up 2 weeks after the merger announcement and I jumped ship.

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    26. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Y-Crate · · Score: 1

      Part of the reason for not having the iPhone is that Apple doesn't want to devote the time or effort to supporting T-Mobile's 3G spectrum.

      I have a feeling that the other part is "weakening T-Mobile for their friend AT&T".

    27. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      They're pricing is amazing if you go with the prepaid Walmart-only plan. Even though you have to get the starter kit from Walmart, you can bring your own phone. For 30 bucks a month, you can get Unlimited data (throttled after 5 gigs, but still much better than AT&T's best data plan on a post-paid account), Unlimited texts and 100 minutes voice (who needs voice minutes when you have data anyways).

      Buy your Android smartphone of choice, pop in the sim and you're saving ~70 bucks *a month* compared to AT&T's cheapest plan with similar features (more voice minutes, less data).

      The only reason I don't dump my iPhone and do exactly that is that, because its prepaid, you can't expect to be grandfather into this plan. So if I make the switch, I not only pay an ETF on my AT&T account (which selling my iPhone 4s would cover and still leave enough for half the cost of a new phone or more) but then I can never get my unlimited data plan back. Even though I haven't jumped on it, its a pretty compelling offer.

    28. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 2

      Knowing slashdot, the day traders had this story a month ago!

    29. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I was thinking about getting a T-Mo phone, but then AT&T announced their intent to consume it and turn it into another tentacle of their operation. Now that's not happening, I can take another look. I suspect a lot of people will consider going to T-Mobile just because it's not AT&T and won't become AT&T soon.

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    30. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by E+IS+mC(Square) · · Score: 0

      Making free internationals calls to the US from amsterdam over wifi calling over my dual core querty keyboard 4g phone is definitely not a good price or a good phone.

      Let me know when you are done trolling and we will then talk facts.

      And not everybody gives shit about itoys. Some of us like phones that can do more than just looking shiny.

      +5 interesting my ass.

    31. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Sipper · · Score: 4, Informative

      Just FYI: Deutsche Telekom has outright told workers at T-Mobile that if the deal with AT&T fell through that they would seek another buyer to sell T-Mobile to. The impression is that they want to get out of the US market, but remain in the European market.

    32. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by jonbryce · · Score: 2

      They are a GSM carrier, the vast majority of the phones sold in the world, though not in the USA, work with T-Mobile. They have a spectrum licence in the largest economy in the world. The other stuff can be sorted out. Someone will buy them.

    33. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Loktar+Ogar · · Score: 0

      Informative, eh? Maybe you meant the only 4g phone with qwerty. The Droid 3 I'm replying from is dual core and qwerty.

    34. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

      It's really too bad carriers got tied to phones somehow in the US. In most other countries the choices are no more tied together than your choice of car and choice of gas station.

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    35. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Mainstream news sources have been complaining that the Kindle Fire, a device with a dual-core CPU, is too slow. So it is a big deal.

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    36. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2

      Which is why Apple will shockingly buy them and then make them the only domestic iPhone carrier once their deals with other companies are over.

      I think this is one of the few non AT&T options that makes any sense. T-Mobile's coverage isn't anywhere near as good as Verizon and AT&T... but they're better than both where I live, which is why I use them. I was very very hesitant to sign a new contract with T-Mobile, knowing they might get absorbed into AT&T next year, and I'm stuck with craptastic AT&T service for the next two years.

      Risks? Yeah, there are a few. In some places, T-Mobile's coverage is for shit... Florida comes to mind, with Orlando having by a wide margin the most horrendous coverage... I was "roaming" most of the time at the convention center. But those issues are resolvable by locating and buying regional/local GSM carriers and rolling them into the T-Mobile network. AT&T's problem, of being in the "money printing" business instead of the "Communications" business, isn't really solvable anytime soon. Once a company gets too big you can't really "Fix" the parts that are broken because there are too many diverse interests pulling everyone in different directions, and too much money on the table for the executives to take any radical, non-obvious steps in operating the business.

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    37. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

      Carlos Slim is an interesting possibility, but his record in the US is not great. The first corporate purchase he made here that I can think of was CompUSA, which he promptly watched get driven into the ground. Granted, that was a company that excelled at promoting wholly incompetent people to upper management and corporate purchasing decisions, but nonetheless he watched a moderately profitable company slide right past mediocrity and into bankruptcy. I don't see why we could expect him to improve T-Mobile in any way, shape or form; rather if he (or his investment group) bought it I would expect it to deteriorate even more rapidly.

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    38. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      Plus they know any upgrades are pointless since AT&T's S.O.P. when they acquire a successful minor carrier is to trash the acquired network, shutting off any parts that might give them "excess" capacity in areas to further raise the profit profile from their new customers. It is essentially the entire point of a merger like this: Reduce operating cost per customer by merging, then eliminating excess "overhead," (like overlapping towers that might have alleviated congestion problems, if they weren't on the chopping block for shutdown.)

      If this had gone through Apple would have solved the T-mobile "3G Problem" in short order, of that you can be sure.

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    39. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 1

      I'm a T-Mobile customer and fan, but I'm not under contract. And I've held off deciding what to do until the AT&T thing played out. Now that they won't become AT&T, I'm looking at a new phone and re-upping my contract. I absolutely positively wasn't willing to do business with AT&T and their craptastic, shitgasm network.

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    40. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      I think T-Mobile has reached a state of corporate radioactivity. Their coverage is mediocre, their pricing is nothing extraordinary. and they have the worst phones of any major US carrier.

      I disagree. T-mobile has a nice GSM network with pretty good coverage. Their "4G" offerings have expanded considerably since the military has now vacated most of the AWS band. Their pricing is very competitive; To the point where AT&T depended on the iPhone to save their collective asses.

      As for your worst phones in the industry comment, how so? T-Mobile was the first to have Android phones, they still have blackberry phones, and the only phone they don't directly support is the iPhone.

      The one thing that you didn't mention is customer service. T-Mobile has excellent customer service.

      I think your assessment is on the trollish side and a little premature. The fact that ATT desperately needs T-Mobile seems to counter much of your assessment.

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    41. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      $500 (a reasonable one-year follow-on profit per customer)

      Mobile providers in the USA make a $500 profit per customer per year? Really? That's over $40/month, which seems an insanely large amount to pay, even before you subtract the operating costs.

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    42. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      As for phones, fine, they don't have the iPhone officially. They do, however, unofficially support unlocked iPhone models on their network.

      Does iPhone have the capability to operate on T-Mo's 3G band?

    43. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You can't really skip it even if you buy unlocked phones - problem is, all operators use different tech and/or different bands. Even sticking to GSM, AT&T and T-Mo have different 3G bands - so either you need a phone that supports both (they exist, but aren't common), or you're stuck with one of them if you want 3G.

    44. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is why Apple will shockingly buy them and then make them the only domestic iPhone carrier once their deals with other companies are over.

      I think this is one of the few non AT&T options that makes any sense. T-Mobile's coverage isn't anywhere near as good as Verizon and AT&T... but they're better than both where I live, which is why I use them. I was very very hesitant to sign a new contract with T-Mobile, knowing they might get absorbed into AT&T next year, and I'm stuck with craptastic AT&T service for the next two years.

      Risks? Yeah, there are a few. In some places, T-Mobile's coverage is for shit... Florida comes to mind, with Orlando having by a wide margin the most horrendous coverage... I was "roaming" most of the time at the convention center. But those issues are resolvable by locating and buying regional/local GSM carriers and rolling them into the T-Mobile network. AT&T's problem, of being in the "money printing" business instead of the "Communications" business, isn't really solvable anytime soon. Once a company gets too big you can't really "Fix" the parts that are broken because there are too many diverse interests pulling everyone in different directions, and too much money on the table for the executives to take any radical, non-obvious steps in operating the business.

      Strange..

      I north of Orlando and work in Tampa. I have been on T-Mobile for years and have NEVER had an issue with my service or phone (Samsung Vibrant).

      Maybe its an issue with your phone and you should call 611 and fix it. :)

    45. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by DigitalGoetz · · Score: 1

      Even those without any technical backgrounds, even those who can't set the time on their microwaves, and even those who still double-click url links in internet explorer... all of these people will still buy a "dual core" phone over a "single core" due to the nature of advertising. More numbers is better and that's why so many people buy items that are overkill for their needs. Sort of like people who buy sports cars that can go X mph for casual driving while the speed limit caps out at X/2. It's the sheer power of bigger is better.

    46. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by DigitalGoetz · · Score: 1

      And they were the first adopter of Android phones with the HTC Dream (G1)

    47. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by DigitalGoetz · · Score: 1

      If Apple computers are a certain % higher than the average PC, would they also have similar pricing plans for their phone network?

      That could be quite scary as a current T-Mobile subscriber. I'd hate my $60 / month bill going into the 200 / month range.

    48. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      :D

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    49. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by rickb928 · · Score: 2

      Changing pricing mid-contract would give you the option to terminate without penalty. Then we can all go to Sprint...

      I would expect an Apple network to price close to AT&T. Remember, Apple gets kickbacks from the carriers now, I *BET* so equal pricing works.

      Now, on renewal, you get to choose.

      But Apple would need to learn how to run TMO aka "APPLECELL", and maybe they don't want to after all.

      There are other options.

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    50. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      I'd have to do some actual work to figure it out, but i wouldn't be surprised if it was close to that - per customer, not per line. The easiest way would be to take whatever number you can find for their gross sales for the cellular business, divide by the number of customers, and then take 20% or whatever they publish as their gross profits times the amount per customer.

      I'm sure the average customer has more than one line, business customers have many lines and often pay prices at the high end. In my case I have three - two data lines, one smartphone (partly for historical reasons and pure laziness on my part), and I don't even have a family. I don't have cable at this time so all my data is going via cellular. I'm sending this from my laptop on a 4G modem - not my phone). But I did make the $500 up. The $250 cost of a new customer is from real data I've seen on the web. A company that is paying that much for each new customer is going to want to make that back in under a year (10 months is a pretty typical target), so that's $25 per month. So maybe $250 per year would be better.

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    51. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      I remember CompUSA - I bought a laptop for a company I was involved wit, on a company account. They were incompetent at the time, but then so was the company. AFAIK the company never did pay CompUSA for the laptop.

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    52. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Tharsman · · Score: 1

      ATT's goal, from what I gathered based off media coverage, was not really to "aquire" TMobile, but to prevent Sprint from doing so.

      With these actions, they may have "won". You see, for one there is the veredict. This veredict where they say "it would become the single largest provider" would also apply to Sprint. It's likely Sprint's aquisition would not had sparked this controversy, but now that the cards are in the table and the excuse is "they would be too big", ATT can use that same card againt any attempt by Sprint to aquire Tmobile.

      There is also the 4 billion dollar thing. By handing over those "pennies", TMobile will find itself in a way healthier position than it was before. This may delay any need to sell by at least another year.

      They may even be able to use that money to go back to Apple and agree to any terms they may impose to be able to not only carry the iPhone 4 and 4s, but maybe even the 3Gs for free. My theory is TMobile did not jump into the iPhone this year due to Apple's demands on minimum inventory contracts for the next few years. Without a certain company outcome of this aquisition, they were just in no position to agree to such a deal. Now they will be in the position and have 4 billion to toss at the whole thing while at it.

    53. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Rich0 · · Score: 1

      Yup, and besides, who buys Blackberries anyway? I think they've carried pretty-much every Nexus phone to date, several exclusively I think (especially if you count the ADP1/2 in with that).

      Sure, they don't have an iPhone, but people willing to spend the money on one of those probably aren't really their target market in the first place. I love that T-mobile works pretty-much anywhere I go, and it works at 3-4G speeds in virtually all of those places (and I mean I actually GET those speeds consistently). I hear ATT users are lucky to get dial-up speeds.

      Are they actually LOSING money, or are they just not raking in a $30/mo premium like some of the other networks? As a customer that's a "feature" I can do without.

    54. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Tharsman · · Score: 1

      Yet, if you go to the myTouch 4G Slide, the only place you will see a note of the cpu being dual core is deep in the Specs page (last page out of 14 pages of marketing material) and even there it's a single mention by the CPU name.

      Heck sometimes the guy at the store has no clue what cores do. They will just answer "that one is faster" when asked about the differences between two models.

      Cores is irrelevant to the masses, and marketting knows it's not something that sells phones. Such stats are only useful for geeks like us, and most of us really wont bother looking at a phone with slide out keyboards. Now... if they standarized slide out gamepads....

    55. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by WatertonMan · · Score: 1

      But I'm glad this deal is off. We don't need MORE consolidation of the market.

      Umm. If T-Mobile simply goes under we'll have the same problem. And it's hard to see how T-Mobile can remain competitive.

    56. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Drgnkght · · Score: 1

      No it does not. It will work as 2G, but not 3G.

    57. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by enrgeeman · · Score: 1

      Well, if you don't want to count the Droid 3, that is. Sure, it's only on verizon, and doesn't have "4G," but it does have dual-core and a physical qwerty keyboard.

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    58. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      They would be insane to send the money to apple. Granting that fanboy money is stupid and hence extra valuable, it's not worth that much.

      It would fund a 4G build-out nicely.

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    59. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Tharsman · · Score: 1

      No matter how you feel about the iPhone, a carrier is at a huge competitive disadvantage if you don’t offer it.

      Besides, T-Mobile has expressed in many occasions they want it.

      Besides, it's not like they have to send the 4 billions to apple. But the money would cover their ability to buy the minimum stock Apple demands carrier buy from them.

    60. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by hawk · · Score: 1

      I ant centurylink the company formerly known as sprint?

    61. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by hawk · · Score: 1

      > - so either you need a phone that supports both (they
      >exist, but aren't common), or you're stuck with one of
      >them if you want 3G.

      Maybe those clever folks at apple could develop one . . . :)

      hawk

    62. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by mgblst · · Score: 1

      I know, dual core is going to change everything. I will be able to dial way faster, send SMS at the blink of an eye, and get voicemails 5-7x cooler. You would have to be a complete moron to not want this shit!

    63. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      T-Mobile won't simply go under. They did fine when they were OmniPoint, then VoiceStream and finally T-Mobile.

    64. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by 517714 · · Score: 1

      More than just :D. It's $3B in cash and the $1B of spectrum is the value AT&T is carrying it at on their books, its actual value is at least $2B and may be as high as $5B.

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    65. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      You do know that the iPhone isn't exclusive to AT&T anymore, right? And that AT&T wasn't even Apple's first choice? What incentive would Apple have to deliberately limit the iPhone to less people?

    66. Re:Corporate Dead Pool 2012 by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      I just saw one more bit at the end of today (Friday)'s WSJ - AT&T have also "agreed to give T-Mobile a roaming agreement that would allow the smaller carrier to use its network" (quote from the paper edition, don't know if it's online). The paper goes on to say that this was not mentioned in the AT&T statement.

      I think that may be a huge boon for T-Mobile. That could help TM with its biggest problem, lack of coverage. It appears to me that TM gets everything they wanted/needed without having to actually merge. Deutsche Telecom cut a very good deal!

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  4. Hell has Frozen Over 2x by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, for once something that was clearly a bad idea with AT&T didn't happen.

    Can we now go back and break up the babybells again? :P Nah, actually with the decline in landline use it's probably not necessary since cable co's also offer phone VOIP service.

    What this hopefully means is that T-Mobile gets the next iPhone with LTE and that should save their sinking ship.

    1. Re:Hell has Frozen Over 2x by kilodelta · · Score: 1

      Give it time. Justice is just starting to stir regarding anti-trust again, so too the FCC.

    2. Re:Hell has Frozen Over 2x by swalve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The bell breakup was stupid. Decouple Bell Long Distance from Bell Local Service, yes. But break up Bell into SBC and Illinois Bell and Mid Atlantic Bell and all of that was asinine. It makes no goddamned difference to the consumer how big the company is when they have no other choice for their dialtone service.

    3. Re:Hell has Frozen Over 2x by nauseum_dot · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree with this. Currently, the two biggest cellular providers are Verizon and AT&T

      Verizon was created from GTE + Bell Atlantic. AT&T is from Ameritech + NYNEX + Bell South + Pacific Telesis + SBC(changed name to AT&T).

      Likely, only one of these entities would exist if AT&T continued to operate as a monopoly because I don't know if GTE had the clout to be as big as Verizon currently is by itself because moving cellular traffic depends mainly on access to fiber (T1s in days of yore). Which would mean that we would all have one technology for cell phones, with one option for a carrier. The other thing that came from the breakup, the Baby Bells had two work with each other to ensure that their new broken up networks would switch traffic after moving forward with independent network upgrades, which gave way to for more open/non proprietary standards to be implemented in the telecom industry and working interconnected networks with multiple routes and diverse locations (TCP/IP networks/slow rise of the Internet, respectively).

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    4. Re:Hell has Frozen Over 2x by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      You left out MCI. Had they not driven themselves into the ground by acquiring companies they mismanaged into the ground, they'd have been a real competitor and would be as large as Verizon. And the regional carriers all sold out to the next-region-over carrier when the spectrum was handed out. With MCI and an appropriate ban on the local carrier owning *all* the spectrum, there'd have to be someone picking up the slack, it would have been MCI in the best situation for that, and we'd have an MCI that was the size of AT&T (so long as they didn't sabotage themselves by buying and destroying Internet companies like UUNET).

  5. So.. by Lifyre · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Does this mean the merger is officially dead or is it just the first step in ending the merger? The article gave me the impression that the merger was still happening, kinda, but not with the FCC.

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    1. Re:So.. by Demonantis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At&t is still pursuing through the DOJ. They are probably dropping the FCC application since it won't go through and they can wait until the DOJ review goes through. I think they are dropping FCC application so if the DOJ passes it they can argue that the FCC should follow suit and any of FCC's arguments would become weaker as the DOJ didn't have a problem. Wall Street Journal has a more informative article. According to it T-mobile is not doing so hot and the parent company is interested in exiting the US market. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204452104577057482069627186.html

    2. Re:So.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The New York Times had an even more informative article on this with the most likely reason -- if they continue with the FCC application, most of the records they filed for it become public, which the DOJ can then turn around and use against them in the antitrust suit. Quite likely, the horrific reality of all of AT&T's patently-false claims that were debunked months ago are spelled out in those filings and they don't want it getting out.

      The attempt to withdraw the FCC application is essentially an admission that they know the deal has less than zero chance. Another interesting point in the NYT is that the FCC is under no obligation to honor their request. They can deny it and force it to judicial review, or grant the withdrawal with prejudice (meaning AT&T cannot refile the application later, which would absolutely kill the deal).

    3. Re:So.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it just means they are waiting for a Republican administration, which they won't expect to challenge any mergers.

    4. Re:So.. by 517714 · · Score: 1

      Or for the Obama campaign contribution check to clear. Either way it is merely a delay.

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  6. Money will go back... by rotide · · Score: 0

    tinfoilhat

    There is enough money here to buy some politicians or at least make them want to look the other way.

    I have a feeling AT&T doesn't mind "paying" T-Mobile as in the future (near?) they will simply get that money back once they do finally merge.

    /tinfoilhat>/p>

    1. Re:Money will go back... by hedwards · · Score: 2

      Not really, if they managed to merge the money would be long gone as the money would go to T-Mobile's parent company.

      And really as long as the GOP doesn't retake the White House in 2012, the likelihood of this merger going through is precisely nihil. If the DoJ or the FCC was interested in letting it go through it wouldn't be challenged to this extent. Under the Bush administration the DoJ was essentially sitting on its hands whenever these things came through apart from the rubber stamp.

  7. $4 Billion? by Walking+The+Walk · · Score: 4, Funny
    "4 Billion US dollars to cover accounting and other costs"

    Just what kind of other costs could they have? $4B is an awful lot of hookers...

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    1. Re:$4 Billion? by Bill+Dimm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      T-mobile may have lost a bunch of potential customers while the merger was pending, i.e. anyone that hates AT&T would be very reluctant to to sign a phone contract with T-mobile knowing they would be stuck with AT&T if the deal went through.

    2. Re:$4 Billion? by reub2000 · · Score: 1

      I think that was put into the deal to make sure that AT&T was fully committed to seeing the deal through.

    3. Re:$4 Billion? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I don't think the issue is how big were their costs but why they paid $4B. The article makes it sound like they just felt bad for the company and decided to give them the $4B. But obviously it is some under the table payment for something rather substantial as $4B is like the yearly revenue of a giant multinational company.
      It is not something that a company can just afford to give away or even write into a contract as a "if things don't work out" clause.

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    4. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $4B is what AT&T owed T-Mo should the deal fail to meet regulatory approval. This was well-covered in articles months ago about the start of the merger.

      So yeah, apparently it is something a company can write into a contract as a "if things don't work out" clause.

    5. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      True.

      My phone is on its last leg, but hell if I'm going to buy a GSM phone when in a few months the US might be stuck with ATT as the only GSM carrier. If I were on a T-Mo contract plan, I would not renew in light of how bought and paid for those in power in this country are-- it will be a miracle if they do the right thing, and this ATT takeover truly dies.

      There is no way I will ever be an ATT customer (again). My experience as a former ATT/SBC customer is that billing "mistakes" (always in ATT's favor) is their business model. Sleezzzzzzzyyyyyy company.

      Hopefully T-mobile survives. They have some of the best prepaid plans available. $30 (since pre-paid $30 means $30, no extra fees) for 1500 minutes or texts per month with a small amount of data included that is sufficient for occasional driving directions, online banking and such, and the ability to pay $1.40 for unlimited data for 24 hours only when you need it. The only thing that would make the plan better is if you didn't need to exhaust your monthly data before being able to buy the unlimited 24hr access.

    6. Re:$4 Billion? by todrules · · Score: 1

      Are you serious? It's exactly what they put in a "if things don't work out" clause.

    7. Re:$4 Billion? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 3, Insightful

      On the contrary. It's exactly the sort of thing which would be written into a contract. For something similar, look at the recent war between HP and Dell over 3Par; Dell ended up being paid $72 million when they took the HP bid. This is a little more extreme, but then again, ATT is a $163 billion company.

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    8. Re:$4 Billion? by rabtech · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think the issue is how big were their costs but why they paid $4B. The article makes it sound like they just felt bad for the company and decided to give them the $4B. But obviously it is some under the table payment for something rather substantial as $4B is like the yearly revenue of a giant multinational company.
      It is not something that a company can just afford to give away or even write into a contract as a "if things don't work out" clause.

      Merger deals almost always include a play-or-pay clause because all the discovery, legal work, etc has real costs to the target company... it prevents non-serious bidders or those who would bid to shake confidence in the company then back out. It also covers stuff like customer/employee impact (people leaving in anticipation of the merger) and any proprietary information the acquirer might have picked up during the due diligence process.

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    9. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So AT&T just "lost" 3% of their NAV and nobody blinks? This is an insane amount of money for them to calmly walk away from.

      We've become desensitized to the unit of measure known as billion (in $)

    10. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need hookers.
      High priced hookers.

    11. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mergers that fall through kill companies. This is how many good tech companies (and many bad ones) have died.

    12. Re:$4 Billion? by hedwards · · Score: 1

      It is, but I bet when they were doing the numbers the expected value of proceeding made the $4bn risk worthwhile. It would be a bit like you paying me a quarter where I pay you a dollar if it comes up heads. The expected value would be more than a quarter so you'd likely go for it.

      In this case the calculations are more involved and the sums greater, but it's the same basic idea.

    13. Re:$4 Billion? by garyebickford · · Score: 1

      It's fairly common in big mergers that take a long time for the preliminary contract to include an opt-out fee, so if either one backs out they pay the other some fee. It does take a lot of money, concentration and time to execute big mergers, and as noted above it also affects customers and employees - oftentimes the best employees bail out.

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    14. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that T-Mobile being bought out by AT&T would allow you to exit your contract without penalty.

    15. Re:$4 Billion? by Cyberllama · · Score: 1

      And more importantly, they might have lost potential *buyers*. They want to be bought up by someone else, and that can't happen while there's a tentative deal on the table with another company. So wasting all this time and not having the merger go through was a potential risk for T-Mobile, and they can't afford to take that kind of risk so the big player has to pick up the tab on it.

      Also, it's not $4b cash, its compensation valued at $4 billion, I think like half of it is spectrum--which if you'll recall the 700mhz auction is super pricey these days.

    16. Re:$4 Billion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure that T-Mobile being bought out by AT&T would allow you to exit your contract without penalty.

      And I'm pretty sure you need to put down the bong.

    17. Re:$4 Billion? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Yeah, even Eliot Spitzer was paying only about $4,000 per hookup.

    18. Re:$4 Billion? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Shit right. You could buy Portugal or Greece for that much.

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    19. Re:$4 Billion? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Mergers that fall through kill companies.

      I suspect mergers that don't fall through kill many more.

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    20. Re:$4 Billion? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The article makes it sound like they just felt bad for the company and decided to give them the $4B.

      You know there's a stereotype about Polacks being stupid? And you know that most stereotypes are based on a grain of truth?

      The grain is you.

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    21. Re:$4 Billion? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Nope. They get all the customers and contracts as well. They'd have to change the contract to allow you to exit. So they grandfather everyone in, and if you complain, point out the assignability clause in the contract you signed. If they canceled the contract, you'd have an out, but they do their best to avoid that, and grandfather everything they have to to force people to stay as long as possible.

  8. Didn't even know by Fnord666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    AT&T Stops T-Mobile Merger Bid With the FCC

    I didn't even know T-Mobile was trying to merge with the FCC. How did AT&T stop it?

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    1. Re:Didn't even know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since the merger was between the FCC and T-Mobile, AT&T was temporarily charged with taking the roll of the FCC in this transaction. Allowing the FCC to decide if it can merge would be a conflict of interest. I think AT&T makes for a good FCC and perhaps we should make it their permanent job from now on.

    2. Re:Didn't even know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since the merger was between the FCC and T-Mobile, AT&T was temporarily charged with taking the roll of the FCC in this transaction. Allowing the FCC to decide if it can merge would be a conflict of interest. I think AT&T makes for a good FCC and perhaps we should make it their permanent job from now on.

      I don't know what's worse, the idea that a government agency and a corporation were planning to merge, or the idea that another corporation was all that stood in the way of it going forward.

    3. Re:Didn't even know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, AT&T wouldn't want T-Mobile merging with the government because that would give T-Mobile an unfair competitive advantage over AT&T. So of course AT&T stopped the merger. So I guess it can be argued that AT&T had a conflict of interest with their decision.

    4. Re:Didn't even know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps if AT&T merged with the DOJ and T-Mobile merged with the FCC, that would balance things out.

  9. Can you say? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Under the table"

    All the same....
    We didn't merge....
    We love each other.....

    Peace in corps.....

  10. Finally some conclusion by DanTheManMS · · Score: 1

    As someone who's been following this merger bid for the past ~6 months, I must say, woot! Even if you disagree with the outcome here, the fact that there's finally been some sort of conclusion to this case is reassuring.

    1. Re:Finally some conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This isn't a conclusion. The DOJ is still reviewing the proposal. AT&T only retracted their application to the FCC. They can re-apply if they feel it is appropriate, i.e. if the DOJ gives their nod.

    2. Re:Finally some conclusion by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      As someone who's been following this merger bid for the past ~6 months, I must say, woot! Even if you disagree with the outcome here, the fact that there's finally been some sort of conclusion to this case is reassuring.

      Why would somebody who supports the merger (or rather, somebody who doesn't think that the merger would result in a monopoly, and thus that the government should not stop it) be "reassured to have some sort of conclusion?"

  11. Good news by macwhizkid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gee, it's almost enough to make you believe that regulators can do their job once in a while. Maybe the FCC can run training seminars for the SEC...

    Regardless, it's the right decision. Mergers of this scale are bad for everyone except one of the two CEOs. One guy gets a promotion. Meanwhile customers lose choice, the market loses competition, employees lose jobs (when they become redundant), and shareholders lose their investment (when half get bought out).

    And that's before you factor in the (rightly) indignant T-Mobile customers, most of whom have sworn a solemn oath to do business with anyone but AT&T.

    1. Re:Good news by geoffrobinson · · Score: 2

      As the ancient Greeks said, don't call a man happy until he is dead.

      If AT&T can't get the bandwidth they need to expand and T-Mobile implodes is that better for competition? (I'm not saying I have an answer here, I'm just saying I'm not sure it is as clear-cut as more competitors always equals good.)

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    2. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That, and T-Mobile is the only competition to AT&T in the GSM/SIM enabled arena in the United States, and also the single least screw-the-customer-over-prone provider in terms of billing, plans, customer service, etc. in the country. Merging with AT&T will eliminate that competition, with the incentive for T-Mobile to be "better than AT&T" I can guarantee you the customer service would instantly become AT&T style and not T-Mobile style.

      T-Mobile has been the provider of choice in my area for a long time ever since Cingular was absorbed by AT&T and the service Cingular users were used to instantly went down the tubes... People around here buy loads of basic GSM/SIM phones on eBay, from Asia/Europe/Wherever for cheap to replace their lost, abused, worn our, flaky, stolen, or otherwise incapacitated contract phones and just swap the SIM card over. Under Verizon, Sprint, and all the other carriers with a legacy of CDMA you can't do that. You're lucky if you can convince Verizon to sell you a new phone without restarting another 2 year hitch on your contract, let alone activate another compatible phone that someone didn't buy (and pay off) from them at some point.

    3. Re:Good news by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Maybe the FCC can run training seminars for the SEC...

      "Good morning everyone, today is the first day of our series of training semina...guys please stop masturbating. Please? This is gross. No? Alright well I'll wait for you to finish but then it's onto business."

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    4. Re:Good news by cynyr · · Score: 1

      weren't there documents that came out that it would cost around 3x less to simply build out instead of buy T-Mo? anyways....

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    5. Re:Good news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T don't need more bandwidth to improve their coverage, it was just a smokescreen used as an excuse to buy out a competitor, then they could raise prices and screw over their customers even more. Since AT&T's reasons for buying T-Mobile were bullshit, then whatever happens can't be worse that the results of AT&T buying T-Mobile.

  12. That's not at all what is happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    AT&T is withdrawing their FCC applications because they will not be able to be acted upon under the current fiscal year docket.

    AT&T and T-Mobile are still going to attempt to merge, going to trial in Federal Court in February 2012.

    THE MERGER IS STILL GOING FORWARD, albeit over rough ground and with significant challenges. AT&T has decided to take the 4 billion dollar charge in FY2011 for the tax advantages.

    1. Re:That's not at all what is happening by hedwards · · Score: 2

      It's impossible for the merger to go forward ultimately. If by the grace of God the DoJ and the FCC sign off on it all that means is that it goes to court when Verizon or Sprint files their own antitrust lawsuit against AT&T. Which ultimately they would almost certainly win because this is about as blatant a violation of Clayton as has ever been committed. You cannot buy up a competitor when it substantially lessens competition, and in a case like this where there are only a total of 4 to begin with, yeah, that's going to substantially lessen competition.

    2. Re:That's not at all what is happening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This merger won't substantially lessen competition, and therefore wouldn't come close to violating Clayton or any other anti-trust act. The DoJ's suit is frivolous on its face, and will be expeditiously thrown out by the court, because DoJ does not have standing. Vz and Sprint could file an anti-trust suit, but it would similarly be thrown out because again, they don't have standing. Consumers MIGHT have standing if they could PROVE loss, but that won't happen either because there are still plenty of competitors.

      You should learn something about how the legal system works before demonstrating in public that you have no idea what you are talking about.

    3. Re:That's not at all what is happening by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That's not how it works. Nobody has standing until after the merge, in which case, the merge can't be blocked. As such, the law is practices where the DOJ assumes standing to decide such issues *before* a merger. Not ideal, but even the companies like to know the answer before the merger, so everyone's happier with this than waiting for a ruling after a merger.

  13. Coming up with a plan B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "4 Billion US dollars to cover accounting and other costs"

    Just what kind of other costs could they have? $4B is an awful lot of hookers...

    How about the costs of salvaging their PR, building out infrastructure, and implementing whatever strategy they come up with after their whole "sell out, take the ATT stock, and run away" plans fell through?

  14. Not giving up, just concentrating on DoJ for now. by Sarusa · · Score: 2, Insightful

    AT&T figures it should bring the full weight of bribes and lobbying to bear on one agency at a time... so they're starting with the DoJ. After they knock that off, then they can concentrate on the FCC.

    They're still in a bad position here that they didn't expect to be in, so I guess Verizon and Sprint had some pretty good counter-bribes under the table. The merger's in serious trouble at this point. To the bribe-mobile!

  15. Just a distraction by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 0

    AT&T knew this merger would never happen. It was all a big distraction. What happens next is AT&T blusters a bit, then the FCC, which already has localities scrambling because of the deadlines for next generation emergency services radio. Well, why not just quietly pass them some lucrative monopoly contracts for supplying lots of new network services and devices for localities all over the country? Just a consolation, right? Or, just the thing they really wanted in the first place, only now everyone will think AT&T lost, instead of complaining about giving them such a huge amount of business on the taxpayer dime.

    Call me paranoid if you want, but you might want to wait a few weeks and see what happens.

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  16. Re:Slashdot: The Missing Interview by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    oh geez, is that why cmdrtaco quit? I thought he had a wife. I hope he's happy now, but damn....

  17. YES! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

  18. History Repeats by AnotherAnonymousUser · · Score: 2

    Asking as someone wanting to get a more educated answer from the good denizens of Slashdot:

    It's been stated on here before that there's been the trend of the phone industry to keep going through these mergers. I remember somebody posted a great flow chart of the monopoly breakup of old Bell and the subsequent acquisitions that followed.

    Is there any reason why this industry in particular keeps splitting and then gradually getting re-merged - is it any different than any other industry and just more publicized, or is this industry prone to more consolidation over all? Seeing as it all seems to be the derivatives of the old regime AT&T that were gradually reacquired, why is all the power gradually flowing back to AT&T over time? Is it patent control? Aggressive marketing driving out competitors? The company mentality? What makes AT&T survive getting split up, to being back to its current state and trying to acquire T-mobile now? I'd love any insight you have to share!

    1. Re:History Repeats by tgeek · · Score: 1

      Technically this isn't the old AT&T we're talking about. This is Southwest Bell. The old AT&T was purchased by SWB several years ago and the name kept for it's market recognition. That part is pretty much fact. Your other questions require some speculation and opinions.

      I think the basic interoperability and compatibility built into the telecom infrastructure makes mergers seem very natural. Sure it's not perfect (sometimes far from it) but it's a heck of a lot easier for one telecom to absorb another and merge their operations than it is for other industries. For example, take the auto industry: if Ford were to buy a GM production facility, they would pretty much gut it and retool the entire thing. But if AT&T buys Telecom X, they simply (haha! bad choice of words I know) maintain the status quo at X as operations are merged into AT&T's infrastructure. (and while the pink slips for X employees are being printed)

  19. re-upping my contract with T-Mo by xeno · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've been with T-Mo for almost 15 years, and this is good news. Not great news -- I'm sure there will be more trouble for T-mo in some form or another -- but at least not this year, and probably not next. But you know what this does mean? I'm re-upping my contract with T-Mo. When T-Mo came calling last year (one of several "PLEEZ don't jump ship" themed customer retention campaigns) I told them desire to have a GSM phone was only trumped by a desire never to be an AT&T customer again. As long as the death star doesn't gobble them up, T-Mo can keep having my money.

    Oh, and btw -- T-Mo coverage is more than adequate across the US & Canada, (Iirc I still don't have coverage in rural Neb and WY, but no trouble anywhere else), data services are cheap, and they actually have decent humans in the corp stores. T-Mo isn't making money hand over fist, but they're doing _ok_, and that's good. In these times, in this economy, I want to give my money to an org that's doing _ok_: neither going out of business, nor robbing me. You hear that, T-Mo? "Ok" and "staying in business without f__king your customers" is the new black. So keep on keeping on.

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    1. Re:re-upping my contract with T-Mo by Belial6 · · Score: 2

      I did a 6 week road trip last summer, and across the 16 states I passed through, Wyoming and the National Parks were the only places I didn't get good service. Locally here in Northern California, my service is better than Verizon. The claim that T-Mobile has bad coverage is a myth.

    2. Re:re-upping my contract with T-Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course since T-Mobile has existed since 2002, you are completely full of shit. Oh, Voicestream you say? Seriously, get a clue you fucking glue sniffer.

    3. Re:re-upping my contract with T-Mo by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      I'm a technological backwater when it comes to cell phones. I don't usually carry one, and definitely haven't bought into the idea of an expensive monthly charge for data+voice that goes with a smart phone.

      Some 10 years ago I signed up with a lowball limited minutes contract with T-Mobile for about $20/mo. It serves my minimal cell needs - a phone to carry when I travel or when I'm job hunting or I need to be in touch for some other reason, usually for my wife - perfectly well. I think I had an overage (about $20) once in those ten years, and that was due to having to make a lot of calls when one of my parents passed away.

      I haven't seen an offer in this ballpark since except maybe as a prepaid. I'm perfectly happy to ride my grandfathered low rate as long as possible.

      While there is a lot of whining here about T Mobile customer service, I haven't had issues with them. Of course I only call once a year at most, but when I have I've gotten the answers I need right away.

    4. Re:re-upping my contract with T-Mo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Toured with the band at the end of the summer: most of rural central/southern IL, IN, some parts of rural michigan, and some parts of rural AL I had no signal (roaming only) with T-Mo. My iPhone using bandmate had cell, but no data in many of those areas. So, the moral is: live in a city and you're mostly fine.

    5. Re:re-upping my contract with T-Mo by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      I agree with what you're saying about T-mobile. I switched recently and was shocked when the store employees didn't try and push any accessories or contract add-ins. They gave me the phone I asked for with the contract I asked for, and that was that. The coverage is comparable to what I had with AT&T and the data speed is fast enough not to be annoying.
      I'm very pleased with the FCC swatting this deal down.
      I would hope that Deutsche Telekom could just spin off T-mobile to be a separate entity and keep a generous portion of stock?

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  20. What about Chinese invesements into T-Mobile? by JakFrost · · Score: 1

    Wasn't there are story about the Chinese telecom companies trying to get into the US telecom business last week? Wouldn't a T-Mobile buyout by a Chinese company be the next step now that AT&T lost their chance? Wouldn't the current administration which is beholden to foreign investment funds be willing to sell T-Mobile to the Chinese? Is this too far fetched to image this happening?

    1. Re:What about Chinese invesements into T-Mobile? by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      China Mobile is the largest wireless company in the world. There have been persistent stories that they would like to enter the US market.

      Whether that would be accepted politically who knows.

  21. Why is T-Mobile trying to merge with the FCC? by rcasha2 · · Score: 1

    Why is T-Mobile trying to merge with the FCC?

  22. Four BILLION? by Fished · · Score: 2

    Four billion to cover "accounting costs"?

    Can I be their accountants? I mean .... wow, no wonder they're going under.

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    1. Re:Four BILLION? by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      The biggest accounting cost is when the accountants say "holy shit we lost X good employees and Y good customers when the AT&T thing was announced".

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  23. Re:Not giving up, just concentrating on DoJ for no by qmaqdk · · Score: 1

    Nananananananana, Bribeman!

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  24. Does it really matter all that much? by Tangential · · Score: 2

    I've had service from all 4 of the major carriers (Verizon, Sprint, AT&T and TMo) and they all sucked. How much they sucked depended to some extent on where I happened to be physically at any point in time and how much I had to deal with their customer service. In the case of TMo, they sucked on coverage, but they /really/ sucked the most on customer service. People complain about AT&T and Verizon customer service but I've had far more success with them than I ever did with TMo. I am not sure that I ever had a successful interaction with them and I finally dumped them after about 3 years of that crap.

    These companies aren't going to change. The mindset of the management teams and boards prohibits it. They will continue to screw their bases with bizarre pricing plans, poorly implemented limits and serious privacy issues. Maybe what we need is for them to continue to roll up into a couple of large, lumbering, unresponsive companies and then have someone nimble come in with new technology and decent plans and radically shift the playing field.

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  25. Can't wait to get out of my contract with T-mobile by pkbarbiedoll · · Score: 1

    My final 2-year ends January and I won't be looking back. T-mobile has proven to me that they have the worst customer service and are pure evil when it comes to overages. On top of that their standard pricing is nothing to be excited about. Coverage is spotty to OK around Atlanta, but drops 10 minutes off of main interstates in rural areas.

  26. This is one google should go for. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They have been expanding some and trying for force the carriers to open up on both the landbased and cellular connections. This seems like a perfect place.

    They already have or are in the process of acquiring Motorola, if they buy T-Mobile then they would have their own fully functioning Cell Phone service they can use to both make cash while forcing the other players to either play nice or lose customers to them.

    Just like how they are starting their own ISP (small area to start but it is a start) and hopefully will start to expand that.

    I know you don't ever trust a corporation but so far, they have done more to earn some karma points than the current players. So I say, let them play and just watch over them so they play nice.

  27. Whatever Carly Wants. by wcrowe · · Score: 1, Funny

    As I have said before, I am in love with Carly Foulkes (the T-Mobile spokes-model) and I intend to purchase whatever she tells me to buy.

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  28. Att Merger is over so why do they have to payu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why does a company have to pay for a merger that isnt going through? they still have to pay $4billion for a company they wont get?? does this make sense

    1. Re:Att Merger is over so why do they have to payu by najay · · Score: 1

      consider it an ETF - Early Termination Fee

  29. Well by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    I think that girlintraining will join you in being happy about that.

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  30. Actually, this is great thing by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Since reagan/neo-cons all but killed the anti-monopoly bill, America has gone downhill. Capitalism is the way to go, but only when it is fair and now one cheats. Sadly, the larger the business, or the more tied to a gov the business, the higher the likelihood that cheating will occur. Monopolies are infamous for cheating. So, are china-owned business.

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  31. Re:Contract by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We did just the opposite. We have not been on a contract for many years, and had unlocked iPhones on T-Mobile (better coverage, far fewer dropped calls here in fly over country than Verizon). We signed a contract just in case the merger went through, so we had some standing when AT&T wanted to raise our rates or kick us off their network.