The fact that you don't understand the analogy explains a lot about your twisted ideas. Your lack of understanding seems to stem from a severe case of double standards.
Are you seriously trying to claim that there is no physical violence in getting the people into prision? Either directly, or by the use of violence as a threat? People don't sign up for prison. They don't sign up for arrests. Do you really think that Police and prison guards only you physical violence when they are in danger? That is just a bizarre position to take.
toys are a privilege for good behavior, its not robbing when they get taken away because of bad behavior.
Is that what you say when someone deprives YOU of your property to teach you a lesson? I doubt it.
but a time out isn't the same at all. just like a smack isn't the same as a savage beating.
And that is exactly the point. Some kids respond to corporal punishment. Some respond to mental punishment. A good parent will gauge what works for their kid and use what works. A bad parent will use what works for the parent.
Punishment is always a nasty business. Abuse can happen physically. It can happen mentally. Proper discipline can happen physically, and it can happen mentally. It is important to keep in mind that kids are not cookie cutter creatures. Again. A good parent will gauge what works for their kid and use what works. A bad parent will use what works for the parent.
Because imprisonment and theft are so much better at instilling trust. You think that robbing your child sends the right message though? You think that incarceration sends the right message? The association of discomfort with bad behavior is a nasty business. It isn't pleasant any way you do it. If it was, it wouldn't work. The problem with the mental abusers is that they will continue to punish their kids in a way that they know isn't going to work, and will specifically not punish their kids in a way that they know will work.
Some kids respond to corporal punishment. Some respond to mental punishment. A good parent will gauge what works for their kid and use what works. A bad parent will use what works for the parent. Unfortunately, we now live in a society where what works for most parents is to harm their child, and as long as it is mental abuse, so there is no physical evidence it was them that screwed their kid up, the parents blissfully continue on while patting themselves on the back and telling the other mental abusers that it is societies fault that their son is selling crack and their daughter is turning tricks.
Taking scans of the brain and thinking that you can tell what is happening inside of it is no more science than feeling the bumps on the skull. Our medical science just isn't there to read people's brains. Any doctor that tells you that they can get anything but the most gross results from scanning the brain is no better than the "doctors" that claimed to tell you that the same kind of 'facts' from the old school phrenology "doctors".
You have just replaced one magic brain reader with another.
I have been lucky. My son responds very well to just telling him that we are disappointed, or that he is behaving inappropriately. This has made it easy on me. That doesn't mean that if he was a child that didn't respond to the easy way, I would be right with you taking the hard way. You are correct that punishment must be swift. The larger the time span between the punishment and the act they are being punished for, the less they will associate the punishment to the bad behavior. This is one of the problems that many mental abusers don't understand. They will spend a week punishing their child, and by the 2nd day, the child doesn't remember what they are being punished for. They just know they are being punished. Since the only good reason to punish a child is to associate discomfort (physical or mental) to bad behavior, by the second day, the mental abusers are not disciplining their child anymore, they are just abusing them.
Then you are cool with opening the doors to every prison, and dissolving every police department in the nation, because those facilites are specifically designed to commit violence on your behalf. I classify that as simply crazy.
The problem with mental punishment is that when it goes overboard, ( and I see it going overboard all the time, even in public ) no one bats an eye. If you think that a spanking is even in the same league as what is done on a regular basis to kids mentally, you are completely out of touch, and likely committing the abuses yourself. As for committing violence against other people. Well, you do that too. Just because you have men with guns and uniforms perform the violence for you doesn't absolve you of using violence. The spanking verses mental abuse argument also must take into account the amount of time that mental abuse takes to achieve any results. A spanking can happen, achieve it's results and be done in mere moments. While mental abuse can take hours.
I have no more evidence than anyone else. I only have my personal observations. Those observations have shown me far more people completely screwed up do to mental abuse than those screwed up do to physical abuse.
Just because it doesn't leave marks doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.
In all honesty, it isn't anything that you are not getting you your much more absorbent pants when you pull them up. So, if you put your hands in your pockets later, or adjust the waist, you are at least as disgusting as the guy who took his tablet into the toilet. While I definitely encourage hand washing, there does come a point where you just have to accept that there will be some cross contamination. Most people do best to just not think about it. After all, you are not suggesting that everybody waddle out of the stall with their pants still around their ankles to wash their hands before handling their pants, right?
I use a tablet as a cookbook, and would never even consider using a netbook for the same purpose. Food will destroy a netbook. A tablet is a flat piece of glass that is easily wiped clean. Tablets are VASTLY superior for kitchen use.
If price is your issue, you can use a picture frame holder. You probably already have an "iPad Stand" at home as it is. It was called a "cookbook stand", or "picture stand" when you bought it years ago and stuffed it in your closet. I have an Android tablet. I use velcro on the back to store the tablet the face of a cupboard myself. I'm pretty sure that the same "stand" would work for the iPad.
There is a piece that is missing in your analysis. Expulsion of problem students. Schools don't want to do it because their piece of the lucrative public education pie is decided by head count. That is a clear middle ground between no power and having the child arrested.
That is why people find home schooled kids "weird". They are so used to kids that are so badly socialized that they can't even carry on a conversation with an adult, that they find it disconcerting to run into one that is their peer. Other kids find them "weird" because they are so used to being incarcerated with a bunch of other kids the exact same age that when they meet someone who has experienced anything outside of their little bubble, it is foreign and, well.... "weird" to them.
We home school our child, but have solved the "weird" problem by clearly explaining the situation to our son. We explained that with adults without children (they can usually deal with the it), and other home schooled kids, he can just be himself. With public school kids and their parents, we keep the fact that we are smart a secret because it makes them feel uncomfortable being so far behind. When you play with the public school kids, that is a good time to play the physical games instead of the intellectual ones. It has worked out great for him.
ADHD is the renaming of an old ailment known as "Ants in the Pants". Yes, some kids have it worse than other, and for some people it stretches well into adulthood, but it isn't a new disorder.
I refer to it as an "Orphanage State". Most children spend more waking hours under the care of the state than those people who would technically be called their parents. The sad thing is that both the state and the parents seem to like this arrangement.
I sat in on a "unschooling" round table once. It was interesting to find out that virtually 100% of the kids learn to read by 8 or 9. Most by 4 or 5. 8 or 9 is pretty late for my taste, but it did make a point to me that the fears of illiteracy are vastly over inflated.
It is also important to note in conversations about "unschooling", that the definition has changed over the last few years. Many of the people that would have been labeled "unschoolers" just 3 or 4 years ago, are no longer recognized as such. They are more frequently referred to as "eclectic" now.
No, you don't even have to have testing with a local school. There is one simple form that you fill out for free online to have established your home as a private school. There are some laws about what the curriculum is required to have, but they are pretty loose, and they are not enforced anywhere in the state. The requirements are simple enough that if a crackdown did occur, it would be trivial to just add the few things they require and that would be the end of it.
Technically, there is no such thing as "Home Schooling" in California, as you are either enrolled in a public school, a private school, or are truant. My child is enrolled in a private school. That school just happens to be in my home, with a student body of 1 and we have a 2 to 1 teacher to student ratio. We know many people who's children are enrolled in public school, and they just happen to have most of their classes run by parent volunteers that happen to be in their home, and they spend 1 day every week or two at the public school classroom.
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Sound pretty much the same as how phrenologists and other "Doctors" used to explain the "inferior races". Point still stands. Modern phrenology.
The fact that you don't understand the analogy explains a lot about your twisted ideas. Your lack of understanding seems to stem from a severe case of double standards.
I am one of the lucky parents that doesn't need to spank. I just also happen to be bright enough to know that not everyone else is so lucky.
Are you seriously trying to claim that there is no physical violence in getting the people into prision? Either directly, or by the use of violence as a threat? People don't sign up for prison. They don't sign up for arrests. Do you really think that Police and prison guards only you physical violence when they are in danger? That is just a bizarre position to take.
toys are a privilege for good behavior, its not robbing when they get taken away because of bad behavior.
Is that what you say when someone deprives YOU of your property to teach you a lesson? I doubt it.
but a time out isn't the same at all. just like a smack isn't the same as a savage beating.
And that is exactly the point. Some kids respond to corporal punishment. Some respond to mental punishment. A good parent will gauge what works for their kid and use what works. A bad parent will use what works for the parent.
Punishment is always a nasty business. Abuse can happen physically. It can happen mentally. Proper discipline can happen physically, and it can happen mentally. It is important to keep in mind that kids are not cookie cutter creatures. Again. A good parent will gauge what works for their kid and use what works. A bad parent will use what works for the parent.
Because imprisonment and theft are so much better at instilling trust. You think that robbing your child sends the right message though? You think that incarceration sends the right message? The association of discomfort with bad behavior is a nasty business. It isn't pleasant any way you do it. If it was, it wouldn't work. The problem with the mental abusers is that they will continue to punish their kids in a way that they know isn't going to work, and will specifically not punish their kids in a way that they know will work.
Some kids respond to corporal punishment. Some respond to mental punishment. A good parent will gauge what works for their kid and use what works. A bad parent will use what works for the parent. Unfortunately, we now live in a society where what works for most parents is to harm their child, and as long as it is mental abuse, so there is no physical evidence it was them that screwed their kid up, the parents blissfully continue on while patting themselves on the back and telling the other mental abusers that it is societies fault that their son is selling crack and their daughter is turning tricks.
That is why I wouldn't use one for a cookbook, since trying to punch keys with hands covered in food will lead the to the netbook consuming food.
Taking scans of the brain and thinking that you can tell what is happening inside of it is no more science than feeling the bumps on the skull. Our medical science just isn't there to read people's brains. Any doctor that tells you that they can get anything but the most gross results from scanning the brain is no better than the "doctors" that claimed to tell you that the same kind of 'facts' from the old school phrenology "doctors".
You have just replaced one magic brain reader with another.
I have been lucky. My son responds very well to just telling him that we are disappointed, or that he is behaving inappropriately. This has made it easy on me. That doesn't mean that if he was a child that didn't respond to the easy way, I would be right with you taking the hard way. You are correct that punishment must be swift. The larger the time span between the punishment and the act they are being punished for, the less they will associate the punishment to the bad behavior. This is one of the problems that many mental abusers don't understand. They will spend a week punishing their child, and by the 2nd day, the child doesn't remember what they are being punished for. They just know they are being punished. Since the only good reason to punish a child is to associate discomfort (physical or mental) to bad behavior, by the second day, the mental abusers are not disciplining their child anymore, they are just abusing them.
Then you are cool with opening the doors to every prison, and dissolving every police department in the nation, because those facilites are specifically designed to commit violence on your behalf. I classify that as simply crazy.
The problem with mental punishment is that when it goes overboard, ( and I see it going overboard all the time, even in public ) no one bats an eye. If you think that a spanking is even in the same league as what is done on a regular basis to kids mentally, you are completely out of touch, and likely committing the abuses yourself. As for committing violence against other people. Well, you do that too. Just because you have men with guns and uniforms perform the violence for you doesn't absolve you of using violence. The spanking verses mental abuse argument also must take into account the amount of time that mental abuse takes to achieve any results. A spanking can happen, achieve it's results and be done in mere moments. While mental abuse can take hours.
I have no more evidence than anyone else. I only have my personal observations. Those observations have shown me far more people completely screwed up do to mental abuse than those screwed up do to physical abuse.
Just because it doesn't leave marks doesn't mean it doesn't hurt.
other companies account for new product models (something Apple glosses over most of the time) as new products
Do you also go out of the stall and wash your hands before taking them off the hook?
In all honesty, it isn't anything that you are not getting you your much more absorbent pants when you pull them up. So, if you put your hands in your pockets later, or adjust the waist, you are at least as disgusting as the guy who took his tablet into the toilet. While I definitely encourage hand washing, there does come a point where you just have to accept that there will be some cross contamination. Most people do best to just not think about it. After all, you are not suggesting that everybody waddle out of the stall with their pants still around their ankles to wash their hands before handling their pants, right?
How about the crapper.
I use a tablet as a cookbook, and would never even consider using a netbook for the same purpose. Food will destroy a netbook. A tablet is a flat piece of glass that is easily wiped clean. Tablets are VASTLY superior for kitchen use.
If price is your issue, you can use a picture frame holder. You probably already have an "iPad Stand" at home as it is. It was called a "cookbook stand", or "picture stand" when you bought it years ago and stuffed it in your closet. I have an Android tablet. I use velcro on the back to store the tablet the face of a cupboard myself. I'm pretty sure that the same "stand" would work for the iPad.
Nah, we have plenty of loonies here in California too. They just tend to be of the "Ban Meat", and "Give equal rights to Dogs" kind of loonies.
There is a piece that is missing in your analysis. Expulsion of problem students. Schools don't want to do it because their piece of the lucrative public education pie is decided by head count. That is a clear middle ground between no power and having the child arrested.
Bahh...5 is old. Parents are now patting themselves on the back for getting their kids into the system before the age of 1.
That is why people find home schooled kids "weird". They are so used to kids that are so badly socialized that they can't even carry on a conversation with an adult, that they find it disconcerting to run into one that is their peer. Other kids find them "weird" because they are so used to being incarcerated with a bunch of other kids the exact same age that when they meet someone who has experienced anything outside of their little bubble, it is foreign and, well.... "weird" to them.
We home school our child, but have solved the "weird" problem by clearly explaining the situation to our son. We explained that with adults without children (they can usually deal with the it), and other home schooled kids, he can just be himself. With public school kids and their parents, we keep the fact that we are smart a secret because it makes them feel uncomfortable being so far behind. When you play with the public school kids, that is a good time to play the physical games instead of the intellectual ones. It has worked out great for him.
ADHD is the renaming of an old ailment known as "Ants in the Pants". Yes, some kids have it worse than other, and for some people it stretches well into adulthood, but it isn't a new disorder.
I refer to it as an "Orphanage State". Most children spend more waking hours under the care of the state than those people who would technically be called their parents. The sad thing is that both the state and the parents seem to like this arrangement.
I sat in on a "unschooling" round table once. It was interesting to find out that virtually 100% of the kids learn to read by 8 or 9. Most by 4 or 5. 8 or 9 is pretty late for my taste, but it did make a point to me that the fears of illiteracy are vastly over inflated.
It is also important to note in conversations about "unschooling", that the definition has changed over the last few years. Many of the people that would have been labeled "unschoolers" just 3 or 4 years ago, are no longer recognized as such. They are more frequently referred to as "eclectic" now.
No, you don't even have to have testing with a local school. There is one simple form that you fill out for free online to have established your home as a private school. There are some laws about what the curriculum is required to have, but they are pretty loose, and they are not enforced anywhere in the state. The requirements are simple enough that if a crackdown did occur, it would be trivial to just add the few things they require and that would be the end of it.
Technically, there is no such thing as "Home Schooling" in California, as you are either enrolled in a public school, a private school, or are truant. My child is enrolled in a private school. That school just happens to be in my home, with a student body of 1 and we have a 2 to 1 teacher to student ratio. We know many people who's children are enrolled in public school, and they just happen to have most of their classes run by parent volunteers that happen to be in their home, and they spend 1 day every week or two at the public school classroom.