Notes is not single platform. It has native clients for OSX, Linux, and Windows. The server runs on z/OS, Windows, Linux, and perhaps a few other platforms that I don't pay attention to.
Notes still is awesome. IBM has been really good for Notes from a technical standpoint and a nightmare from a marketing standpoint. Notes was, as you said, way ahead of it's time. I would say decades. Unfortunately, it had some structural problems. This isn't a jab at Notes. Most software from the 90's had structural problems. IBM has spent a lot of time cleaning those problems up. Notes was great for it's day, and it is great for today.
The big problem that IBM has created for Notes is that they have not gotten the word out that there have been 8 version released since they bought Lotus. Notes/Domino isn't on v4 anymore.
The UK is an interesting example. The UK does not do the chicken pox vaccine as a standard vaccination for everyone (or at least didn't until recently). That puts your whole region in the "stupid parents" category.
Putting a bunch of statements in the form of a question is one of the ways people like you tell your lies. Your lies start with playing the "even one death is totally unacceptable" when referring to a disease with a vaccine, but dismissing the far more dangerous and avoidable activities that you and every other person does on a daily basis.
The number of pre-vaccine deaths due to chicken pox was ~100 a year. Post vaccine it is ~50. So, at best we are looking at reducing the death rate by 50 people a year. Sure, you can trot out those 50 individuals and play on people's sympathies, but that is the same kind of trickery that is used for things like the TSA. With your example of cars? You are wrong. If the auto industry found a way to reduce the death toll from cars by 50 people a year, they wouldn't even bother.
Another big way that people like you like to lie is to lump all vaccines into a single entity. You will argue that someone should get the flu vaccine because small pox is bad and has been eradicated by vaccination.
A third is the name calling. Accepting at worst ~50 deaths a year (most likely a reduction in deaths) isn't any more callous than you are for not donating the majority of your income to feed the starving in third world countries. If you lived an austere life and just shifted your entertainment budget to feeding the starving, you could easily save 50 people a year. Your choice to let people die because you would rather spend your money on entertainment is far more callous than my acceptance that 50 people MIGHT die if nobody gets a particular vaccine.
There are more lies told than can be listed here, and new ones are created every day, but there are three for you to chew on.
Large harm, like less harmful than home cooked meals? There has been a largely successful campaign to convince people that chicken pox is a scourge that is a real threat. It isn't. Death rates from chicken pox, pre-vaccination, were less than a quarter of those caused by home cooking. A child getting chicken pox was one tenth as likely to die than one who played high school football, and it was only slightly more dangerous than riding a bus to school.
The only way to rationalize chicken pox as a real danger is to apply a completely different set of standard than that applied to all your other activities.
The young are very young. Most of the vaccines are given under a year. The elderly have their whole lives to get the vaccines. This is a problem that the pro-vaccine crowed has with their arguments. Because vaccines are generally a good idea on the whole, they feel that exaggerations, misrepresentations, and even lies are acceptable.
No, they are at most affecting a small group of people that do not have a choice to get vaccinated themselves. If someone decides not to get the measles vaccine, that doesn't affect you, me, or any of the other people who have been vaccinated.
Writing those people off to natural selection is harsh, but then so is writing off those people who have a bad reaction to the vaccine. As is often the case, we are faced with choosing the lesser of two evils. The stunning successes of some vaccines leads many to dismiss the fact that we are still dealing with victims either way.
Better would be to make the case a shape that would work well with a clip on keyboard. This way those that want a keyboard can have one. Those that don't can have the phone without it, and only one production line needs to be implemented for the phone itself.
If you want meat that is antibiotic free, you can certainly get it. You will just have to go to a much smaller producer. You will probably have to pay a lot more for it too. It is available though.
The crazy thing about the Wakefield study is that it was only for a particular vaccine mixture. It did not say that vaccination in general was a problem. The pro-vaccine group would have been far more effective if they had pointed this out as well as the versions of the vaccines that Wakefield recommended for the same diseases.
Your vaccination choices are interesting in that they are almost the opposite of mine. I would get my daughter the HPV vaccine because the behavior that leads to HPV is almost guaranteed to happen. Conversely, the Chicken Pox vaccine only offers temporary protection, adults who get Chicken Pox are 10x more likely to die from the disease, and the disease can be given after natural immunization for shingles protection.
Funny enough, when you talk about Chicken Pox, avoiding the vaccine is how you achieve that. Get a disease that is less dangerous than home cooking and you get lifelong immunity after that. Take the vaccine and your immunity may well only last a few years.
Vaccination also affects the innocent. The people who have a bad reaction to vaccination, while generally fewer than those that are helped by the vaccination, are not necessarily the ones who would have suffered or died if there was no vaccinations. Vaccination is a numbers game. Trying to draw a line between the innocent and the guilty is counter productive for anything but rationalization.
I see the other side of that. Anyone who points out a conspiracy is called a 'conspiracy theorist' and labeled a nut. We know that conspiracies happen. Conspiracies happen all the time, both big and small. The problem is that people pick their team and stick with it to the end. As they see it, either all conspiracies are the ravings of lunatics, or none are. All vaccines are good, or all are bad.
The bigger problem with conspiracies is that nothing gets done about them. Whether it is some guy on the corner raving about alien abduction, a bunch of bankers illegally repossessing homes, or a sheriff supporting his local rape gang/football team, the outcome is the some. Nothing.
He is correct that the debate is religious. The pro-vaccine side insists that either you accept vaccine dogma 100% or you are a baby killing heretic. The first lie of the pro-vaccine dogma is that 'vaccines' are a single thing. Vaccines are a class of medicine. You can have good vaccines and you can have bad vaccines. Anyone that insists that all vaccines are good is just as religious about the issue as a person that declares all vaccines bad.
A fine example of a bad vaccine is the Chicken Pox vaccine. Chicken Pox is a disease that is less dangerous than home cooked meals. Part of the reason that it is so mild is that children naturally fight the disease very well. Adults on the other hand are 10x more likely to die from the disease if they catch it than children. The vaccine has also proven out to only offer short term protection. The Chicken Pox vaccine wouldn't be a bad vaccine if it were only given to people post puberty, but today that isn't the case.
The pro-vaccine religious nuts call me an 'anti-vaxer' and a murderer for pointing this out. The fact that I am all for an entire host of other vaccines doesn't matter. Either you follow the vaccine dogma that all vaccines are good, or you are a baby killing heretic.
Vaccines are not used only for the most dangerous diseases. Smallpox? Great vaccine. Chicken pox? The disease is less dangerous than home cooked meals AND has already proven out to be ineffective at providing long term protection.
The bad news: Chicken pox is 10x more dangerous to adults and the prevention of the disease during childhood without protection as an adult will likely lead to higher rates of Chicken pox in adults.
The good news: Chicken pox isn't really dangerous, so the 10x increase in danger will still only be 10x more dangerous than 'not very'.
The current use of the Chicken pox vaccine is totally irresponsible. The vaccine should not be used on people until after puberty. Unfortunately, everybody makes money off of giving it to small children. (except the children who run a higher risk of have to pay for it in adulthood) The money angle isn't a 'conspiracy theory'. The CDC lists a primary reason for giving the Chicken Pox vaccine as a cost savings to the parent by not having to care for their sick child.
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Notes is not single platform. It has native clients for OSX, Linux, and Windows. The server runs on z/OS, Windows, Linux, and perhaps a few other platforms that I don't pay attention to.
Notes still is awesome. IBM has been really good for Notes from a technical standpoint and a nightmare from a marketing standpoint. Notes was, as you said, way ahead of it's time. I would say decades. Unfortunately, it had some structural problems. This isn't a jab at Notes. Most software from the 90's had structural problems. IBM has spent a lot of time cleaning those problems up. Notes was great for it's day, and it is great for today.
The big problem that IBM has created for Notes is that they have not gotten the word out that there have been 8 version released since they bought Lotus. Notes/Domino isn't on v4 anymore.
What version are you talking about? Version 2 from 1995?
The UK is an interesting example. The UK does not do the chicken pox vaccine as a standard vaccination for everyone (or at least didn't until recently). That puts your whole region in the "stupid parents" category.
Putting a bunch of statements in the form of a question is one of the ways people like you tell your lies. Your lies start with playing the "even one death is totally unacceptable" when referring to a disease with a vaccine, but dismissing the far more dangerous and avoidable activities that you and every other person does on a daily basis.
The number of pre-vaccine deaths due to chicken pox was ~100 a year. Post vaccine it is ~50. So, at best we are looking at reducing the death rate by 50 people a year. Sure, you can trot out those 50 individuals and play on people's sympathies, but that is the same kind of trickery that is used for things like the TSA. With your example of cars? You are wrong. If the auto industry found a way to reduce the death toll from cars by 50 people a year, they wouldn't even bother.
Another big way that people like you like to lie is to lump all vaccines into a single entity. You will argue that someone should get the flu vaccine because small pox is bad and has been eradicated by vaccination.
A third is the name calling. Accepting at worst ~50 deaths a year (most likely a reduction in deaths) isn't any more callous than you are for not donating the majority of your income to feed the starving in third world countries. If you lived an austere life and just shifted your entertainment budget to feeding the starving, you could easily save 50 people a year. Your choice to let people die because you would rather spend your money on entertainment is far more callous than my acceptance that 50 people MIGHT die if nobody gets a particular vaccine.
There are more lies told than can be listed here, and new ones are created every day, but there are three for you to chew on.
Large harm, like less harmful than home cooked meals? There has been a largely successful campaign to convince people that chicken pox is a scourge that is a real threat. It isn't. Death rates from chicken pox, pre-vaccination, were less than a quarter of those caused by home cooking. A child getting chicken pox was one tenth as likely to die than one who played high school football, and it was only slightly more dangerous than riding a bus to school.
The only way to rationalize chicken pox as a real danger is to apply a completely different set of standard than that applied to all your other activities.
What basic features does it lack? And I don't mean, what features does a decade old version lack.
Cooking fire related deaths: http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/pdf/os.homes.pdf
Pre-vaccine related chicken pox deaths: http://www.cdc.gov/chickenpox/surveillance.html
A person is 4 times more likely to die from a home cooked meal than from chicken pox without vaccination.
Thanks for helping prove my point.
The young are very young. Most of the vaccines are given under a year. The elderly have their whole lives to get the vaccines. This is a problem that the pro-vaccine crowed has with their arguments. Because vaccines are generally a good idea on the whole, they feel that exaggerations, misrepresentations, and even lies are acceptable.
No, they are at most affecting a small group of people that do not have a choice to get vaccinated themselves. If someone decides not to get the measles vaccine, that doesn't affect you, me, or any of the other people who have been vaccinated.
Writing those people off to natural selection is harsh, but then so is writing off those people who have a bad reaction to the vaccine. As is often the case, we are faced with choosing the lesser of two evils. The stunning successes of some vaccines leads many to dismiss the fact that we are still dealing with victims either way.
Your response is non-sequitur. My suspicion is that since you don't understand the issue, you repeat bumper sticker style quotes.
Better would be to make the case a shape that would work well with a clip on keyboard. This way those that want a keyboard can have one. Those that don't can have the phone without it, and only one production line needs to be implemented for the phone itself.
I easily get six hours of tethering out of my phone now. The phone could hardly be called 'little' by today's standards though.
If you want meat that is antibiotic free, you can certainly get it. You will just have to go to a much smaller producer. You will probably have to pay a lot more for it too. It is available though.
The crazy thing about the Wakefield study is that it was only for a particular vaccine mixture. It did not say that vaccination in general was a problem. The pro-vaccine group would have been far more effective if they had pointed this out as well as the versions of the vaccines that Wakefield recommended for the same diseases.
Your vaccination choices are interesting in that they are almost the opposite of mine. I would get my daughter the HPV vaccine because the behavior that leads to HPV is almost guaranteed to happen. Conversely, the Chicken Pox vaccine only offers temporary protection, adults who get Chicken Pox are 10x more likely to die from the disease, and the disease can be given after natural immunization for shingles protection.
Funny enough, when you talk about Chicken Pox, avoiding the vaccine is how you achieve that. Get a disease that is less dangerous than home cooking and you get lifelong immunity after that. Take the vaccine and your immunity may well only last a few years.
Vaccination also affects the innocent. The people who have a bad reaction to vaccination, while generally fewer than those that are helped by the vaccination, are not necessarily the ones who would have suffered or died if there was no vaccinations. Vaccination is a numbers game. Trying to draw a line between the innocent and the guilty is counter productive for anything but rationalization.
I see the other side of that. Anyone who points out a conspiracy is called a 'conspiracy theorist' and labeled a nut. We know that conspiracies happen. Conspiracies happen all the time, both big and small. The problem is that people pick their team and stick with it to the end. As they see it, either all conspiracies are the ravings of lunatics, or none are. All vaccines are good, or all are bad.
The bigger problem with conspiracies is that nothing gets done about them. Whether it is some guy on the corner raving about alien abduction, a bunch of bankers illegally repossessing homes, or a sheriff supporting his local rape gang/football team, the outcome is the some. Nothing.
He is correct that the debate is religious. The pro-vaccine side insists that either you accept vaccine dogma 100% or you are a baby killing heretic. The first lie of the pro-vaccine dogma is that 'vaccines' are a single thing. Vaccines are a class of medicine. You can have good vaccines and you can have bad vaccines. Anyone that insists that all vaccines are good is just as religious about the issue as a person that declares all vaccines bad.
A fine example of a bad vaccine is the Chicken Pox vaccine. Chicken Pox is a disease that is less dangerous than home cooked meals. Part of the reason that it is so mild is that children naturally fight the disease very well. Adults on the other hand are 10x more likely to die from the disease if they catch it than children. The vaccine has also proven out to only offer short term protection. The Chicken Pox vaccine wouldn't be a bad vaccine if it were only given to people post puberty, but today that isn't the case.
The pro-vaccine religious nuts call me an 'anti-vaxer' and a murderer for pointing this out. The fact that I am all for an entire host of other vaccines doesn't matter. Either you follow the vaccine dogma that all vaccines are good, or you are a baby killing heretic.
Interesting trivia. Home cooked meals kill more people per year than Chicken Pox did prior to vaccinations.
Vaccines are not used only for the most dangerous diseases. Smallpox? Great vaccine. Chicken pox? The disease is less dangerous than home cooked meals AND has already proven out to be ineffective at providing long term protection.
The bad news: Chicken pox is 10x more dangerous to adults and the prevention of the disease during childhood without protection as an adult will likely lead to higher rates of Chicken pox in adults.
The good news: Chicken pox isn't really dangerous, so the 10x increase in danger will still only be 10x more dangerous than 'not very'.
The current use of the Chicken pox vaccine is totally irresponsible. The vaccine should not be used on people until after puberty. Unfortunately, everybody makes money off of giving it to small children. (except the children who run a higher risk of have to pay for it in adulthood) The money angle isn't a 'conspiracy theory'. The CDC lists a primary reason for giving the Chicken Pox vaccine as a cost savings to the parent by not having to care for their sick child.
Someone forgot to tell our local police.
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20130515/multimedia/130519717?fb_comment_id=fbc_129888690541168_74256_129895867207117#f3ccf9d275a20d
You left out the cars entering from lane C, the on-ramp that A and B are passing.