For what's it's worth, the head bozo of GE expressed some regret that maybe they'd gone too far in outsourcing. That's nice, I didn't see him promising to reverse the trend or to do rural sourcing.
The basic problem is that Business School Product runs these large corporations. They know little about manufacturing or engineering. The companies are too large and complex for an engineer to get enough management experience to run without going back and getting an MBA. And that is part of the problem. MBA school teaches that one widget is as good as another, the unstated glue that keeps a company focused on their niche is neglected. So we get CEOs outsourcing their grandchildrens' jobs without any thought about what that does to the company or the country. We need smaller companies and we need to whack the MBA mills.
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Yes, but then I still must have a JVM around. The point was that if Snoracle is going to fuck up Java, then I cannot rely on it and must look elsewhere.
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No, I don't need any hand holding, I've probably started building apps (guis, realtime embedded, network drivers, educational logic proggies, etc) since before you were born. I was just lamenting that C++ programming isn't an uplifting experience, especially when it comes to guis. But then you probably see nothing wrong with writing network drivers with it.
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Synergies? You aren't a real programmer, are you? Just kidding, sounded like you swallowed a marketdroid sometime in your past.
I wasn't interested in web scaling a gui, but I'll admit that is an important consideration for some. Isn't that segment of the market getting taken over by Javascript, html5, and all the other weboria crap? I just wanted a good cross-platform gui language that gives native looking app and maybe requires a few tweaks here and there to make it work like native app...like what I had to do for Java.
When I used Java, I used the AWT. Swing was too new and seemed to suffer speed problems. Sun never got small machines. So, their graphics objects got allocated for every damn object on the screen in the paint call chain when all that was needed for most was merely the correct bounding box. Once I circumvented that, it sped up quite nicely.
Stallman was talking out of his ass but playing the probabilities. He didn't see a Sun trap, he calculated the probability of a Sun trap was significant. Unless you want to think of Stallman as Nostradamus...come to think of it, there is a slight hairy resemblance.
Yep, and it ironic that Oracle benefited from Sun giving Java away freely. Oracle (and MS) live by the Breshnev Doctrine: what's mine is mine and what's yours is open to discussion.
I don't think Oracle's intent of the lawsuit is to monetize Java, That''s merely a collateral benefit. Rather, Google does present a threat to Oracle. Oracle sells data retrieval. Google's business is built on data retrieval. Given a few years of no real competition, Google will start threatening Oracle's schtick. Uncle Larry is too paranoid not to see Google as a threat, so he looks in his bag of tricks to see how to knacker them now.
When you say Java isn't that much slower, I presume you mean non-gui apps. I've not looked at Java recently, but is Swing on the various platforms still running like a slug compared to native apps?
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Does Scala allow me to build user interfaces? If not, it really isn't a replacement. What I need is something that allows me to build cross platform guis.
You mean like the NTSB? Awhile back, you sainted proles complained bitterly some Audi car was mysteriously accelerating causing mayhem and destruction. It turned out the proles were merely stamping on the wrong pedal. It only took the NTSB 6-8 months to do the tests to back up the result that the proles were idiots. Maybe you meant the Centers for Disease Control? They are the ones who contain salmonella outbreaks when business puts spinach farms next to pig farms. Possibly you mean the Defense Department, they are the ones who defend the proles ass when the proles are stupid enough to vote in people in search of foreign adventures. Could you mean the Social Security Administration in charge of keeping Grandma's check coming every month long after she's been paid back everything she could have possibly paid even accounting for a decent return.
Look it, no one is going to care about Pakistani phone sex revolving around a woman's bare naked ankles. Hmmm...upon further reflection, maybe those kind of apps should be killed if they can find no better phone sex than that.
Actually, the economy started tanking in the last year of Clinton. The Republicans had no real agenda other than to cut taxes which magically produces jobs, more tax money, blue skies, and a pacifier for Jimmy Carter. The magic had worked once before under Kennedy. It hadn't clearly worked since then. Under Reagan, federal spending increased (albeit because Democrats reneged on their deal to cut spending in tandem with cutting taxes). So the Reagan era economy couldn't clearly be attributed to tax cutting. Clinton got in, tried to pass some (what appears now as) mild increases in federal spending. But then 1994 Contract on America happened and fortunately for the country, gridlock where government couldn't do much to us...although they so enjoyed the good times they totally forgot Muslim terrorists, thus setting the stage for......9/11, and the economy took a nose dive because of the uncertainty that caused. The fed, as you mentioned, eased monetary policy. The problem was they never reversed course when there was clearly irrational exuberance in the housing market and among congress critters. They were still thinking the Clinton era prognostications of surpluses as far as the eye could see would somehow come back. I guess they couldn't see as far as they'd thought. Coupled with deregulation started under Clinton and continued under Bush, those nice, honorable Wall Street geniuses sold America to the rest of the world as security that couldn't fail to pay off...until it did.
Bush and then Obama attempted to prevent the economy from melting down. They did that with TARP except they did it in a way that was guaranteed to lengthen the pain. That is, they never extracted a pound of flesh from Wall Street and the Banks. They should have said to those crazy bankers, "I see you managed to help Americans live beyond their means, we'll save your ass this time as long as you help save the American Peoples' asses by redoing them loans as reasonable rates and conditions. Just to be fair, we are not asking you make the American Peoples whole for their stupidity and greed, just that you ease their burden...we'll get back to you on just how much of your hide we'll be taking to make that happen. Have a good day!"
Bullshit, software and a tight integration with hardware costs more money. On the MS side, you don't give a flying rat's ass about software, the evidence is the crap MS produces. FOSS only feeds into the feeling that software costs nothing or has little value. Apple's "flash" is because they spend the time to actually produce something people want to buy. Your problem is with peoples' wants, not what Apple is producing.
Bingo! Intel has nowhere to grow right except though embedded processors. And ARM stands in their way. ARM will be tough to beat, not only because of their low power designs, but the way their licensing works. You can turn your business over to Intel, or you can keep it inhouse via ARM.
I do not believe your reasoning. I think, with a government that has no legitimacy (neither elected nor ordained from the Heavens...and corrupt to boot), the alleged leaders of The Party will sooner or later get their tail caught in crack. Maybe it will be the economy, maybe it will be some military adventure their Asean neighbors are beginning to ally against; the possibilities are endless when your government has no legitimate way of changing to adjust to the Proles. When that happens, Taiwan is as good as invaded because an invasion will be the last gasp of a dying regime. And given the nationalistic feeling in China, the Proles will support that regardless about how they feel towards their government. It will get pitched as struggle for the Face of China.
Now, about that blue water navy the Chinese are building. Hmmm...why would they want that? Japan is defanged although China's actions may change that. Russia? Well, they do covet Siberia but they won't get that with a navy. The U.S.? We're 5000 miles away and not given to colonialism seeing as we tend to give just about everything back to the inhabitants.
Mineral rights? Ever look to see how far the Chinese government claims those in the S. China Sea? That will provide the flash point. It is but a short step to China declaring they need to defend their sealand grab to needing Taiwan to defend it. Hell, they are claiming they own everything all the way to Philippines.
It will only take one lit match, when China finally gets her blue water navy and a land force to match.
How would Monsanto do this? Cause the Justice Dept to backtrack? The only way that would happen is if the Obama administration wanted to commit suicide. Lean on Congress? Congress isn't the Justice Dept. All they can do is pass laws. Those can be taken to court, which Justice would surely do. In about 10 years, we might have a verdict. By that time, the cat will be out of the bag.
I think it would come down to what happens in an American court were a case to come up that violated an executive agreement. Does anyone know of a precedent?
I think it comes down to far can an executive order be enforced. What legal power does it have were a case to be brought up in court. I cannot imagine it would stand up very well. If that is the case, does it really matter whether Obama signs it or not?
It isn't the U.S. under threat, it is Taiwan. China wants to be in the position to dissuade the U.S. from coming to Taiwan's defense when China finally loses her mind and invades. It doesn't need to attack the U.S. to do this, just nibble a bit at the edges.
Many organizations like to know there is a company behind the software they use...for various flimsy reasons. And maybe some are not so flimsy. In any case, having Google behind your Googlet is more comforting to corporate American than some diffuse OSS community.
Bullshit, Apple has license agreements with Sun, now Oracle. Or rather they are in the process of ripping them up. The reason isn't that Java's poison, the reason is that Java is either not material to Apple or they figure they can shift the cost to Oracle. Java is only poison for Android to extent Oracle has a case. If it blows up in Uncle Larry's face, that Java will do just fine. We should find out in about 10 years after the lawyers have new boats.
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For what's it's worth, the head bozo of GE expressed some regret that maybe they'd gone too far in outsourcing. That's nice, I didn't see him promising to reverse the trend or to do rural sourcing.
The basic problem is that Business School Product runs these large corporations. They know little about manufacturing or engineering. The companies are too large and complex for an engineer to get enough management experience to run without going back and getting an MBA. And that is part of the problem. MBA school teaches that one widget is as good as another, the unstated glue that keeps a company focused on their niche is neglected. So we get CEOs outsourcing their grandchildrens' jobs without any thought about what that does to the company or the country. We need smaller companies and we need to whack the MBA mills.
Yes, but then I still must have a JVM around. The point was that if Snoracle is going to fuck up Java, then I cannot rely on it and must look elsewhere.
No, I don't need any hand holding, I've probably started building apps (guis, realtime embedded, network drivers, educational logic proggies, etc) since before you were born. I was just lamenting that C++ programming isn't an uplifting experience, especially when it comes to guis. But then you probably see nothing wrong with writing network drivers with it.
Most of TARP was paid back.
Synergies? You aren't a real programmer, are you? Just kidding, sounded like you swallowed a marketdroid sometime in your past.
I wasn't interested in web scaling a gui, but I'll admit that is an important consideration for some. Isn't that segment of the market getting taken over by Javascript, html5, and all the other weboria crap? I just wanted a good cross-platform gui language that gives native looking app and maybe requires a few tweaks here and there to make it work like native app...like what I had to do for Java.
When I used Java, I used the AWT. Swing was too new and seemed to suffer speed problems. Sun never got small machines. So, their graphics objects got allocated for every damn object on the screen in the paint call chain when all that was needed for most was merely the correct bounding box. Once I circumvented that, it sped up quite nicely.
Yeah, I could if I wanted to code in C++ (rather eat a broom) and do my own memory management...although I think Qt has some support in this area.
I guess I'll have to bite the bullet and jump back to C++...yeeeaccchhhhh!
Stallman was talking out of his ass but playing the probabilities. He didn't see a Sun trap, he calculated the probability of a Sun trap was significant. Unless you want to think of Stallman as Nostradamus...come to think of it, there is a slight hairy resemblance.
Yep, and it ironic that Oracle benefited from Sun giving Java away freely. Oracle (and MS) live by the Breshnev Doctrine: what's mine is mine and what's yours is open to discussion.
I don't think Oracle's intent of the lawsuit is to monetize Java, That''s merely a collateral benefit. Rather, Google does present a threat to Oracle. Oracle sells data retrieval. Google's business is built on data retrieval. Given a few years of no real competition, Google will start threatening Oracle's schtick. Uncle Larry is too paranoid not to see Google as a threat, so he looks in his bag of tricks to see how to knacker them now.
When you say Java isn't that much slower, I presume you mean non-gui apps. I've not looked at Java recently, but is Swing on the various platforms still running like a slug compared to native apps?
Does Scala allow me to build user interfaces? If not, it really isn't a replacement. What I need is something that allows me to build cross platform guis.
You mean like the NTSB? Awhile back, you sainted proles complained bitterly some Audi car was mysteriously accelerating causing mayhem and destruction. It turned out the proles were merely stamping on the wrong pedal. It only took the NTSB 6-8 months to do the tests to back up the result that the proles were idiots. Maybe you meant the Centers for Disease Control? They are the ones who contain salmonella outbreaks when business puts spinach farms next to pig farms. Possibly you mean the Defense Department, they are the ones who defend the proles ass when the proles are stupid enough to vote in people in search of foreign adventures. Could you mean the Social Security Administration in charge of keeping Grandma's check coming every month long after she's been paid back everything she could have possibly paid even accounting for a decent return.
I tend to think it would be much better to fund the fellow who looks like he'd get drunk on the money; he'd have a better chance of seeing aliens.
Look it, no one is going to care about Pakistani phone sex revolving around a woman's bare naked ankles. Hmmm...upon further reflection, maybe those kind of apps should be killed if they can find no better phone sex than that.
Actually, the economy started tanking in the last year of Clinton. The Republicans had no real agenda other than to cut taxes which magically produces jobs, more tax money, blue skies, and a pacifier for Jimmy Carter. The magic had worked once before under Kennedy. It hadn't clearly worked since then. Under Reagan, federal spending increased (albeit because Democrats reneged on their deal to cut spending in tandem with cutting taxes). So the Reagan era economy couldn't clearly be attributed to tax cutting. Clinton got in, tried to pass some (what appears now as) mild increases in federal spending. But then 1994 Contract on America happened and fortunately for the country, gridlock where government couldn't do much to us...although they so enjoyed the good times they totally forgot Muslim terrorists, thus setting the stage for... ...9/11, and the economy took a nose dive because of the uncertainty that caused. The fed, as you mentioned, eased monetary policy. The problem was they never reversed course when there was clearly irrational exuberance in the housing market and among congress critters. They were still thinking the Clinton era prognostications of surpluses as far as the eye could see would somehow come back. I guess they couldn't see as far as they'd thought. Coupled with deregulation started under Clinton and continued under Bush, those nice, honorable Wall Street geniuses sold America to the rest of the world as security that couldn't fail to pay off...until it did.
Bush and then Obama attempted to prevent the economy from melting down. They did that with TARP except they did it in a way that was guaranteed to lengthen the pain. That is, they never extracted a pound of flesh from Wall Street and the Banks. They should have said to those crazy bankers, "I see you managed to help Americans live beyond their means, we'll save your ass this time as long as you help save the American Peoples' asses by redoing them loans as reasonable rates and conditions. Just to be fair, we are not asking you make the American Peoples whole for their stupidity and greed, just that you ease their burden...we'll get back to you on just how much of your hide we'll be taking to make that happen. Have a good day!"
Bullshit, software and a tight integration with hardware costs more money. On the MS side, you don't give a flying rat's ass about software, the evidence is the crap MS produces. FOSS only feeds into the feeling that software costs nothing or has little value. Apple's "flash" is because they spend the time to actually produce something people want to buy. Your problem is with peoples' wants, not what Apple is producing.
Bingo! Intel has nowhere to grow right except though embedded processors. And ARM stands in their way. ARM will be tough to beat, not only because of their low power designs, but the way their licensing works. You can turn your business over to Intel, or you can keep it inhouse via ARM.
I do not believe your reasoning. I think, with a government that has no legitimacy (neither elected nor ordained from the Heavens...and corrupt to boot), the alleged leaders of The Party will sooner or later get their tail caught in crack. Maybe it will be the economy, maybe it will be some military adventure their Asean neighbors are beginning to ally against; the possibilities are endless when your government has no legitimate way of changing to adjust to the Proles. When that happens, Taiwan is as good as invaded because an invasion will be the last gasp of a dying regime. And given the nationalistic feeling in China, the Proles will support that regardless about how they feel towards their government. It will get pitched as struggle for the Face of China.
Now, about that blue water navy the Chinese are building. Hmmm...why would they want that? Japan is defanged although China's actions may change that. Russia? Well, they do covet Siberia but they won't get that with a navy. The U.S.? We're 5000 miles away and not given to colonialism seeing as we tend to give just about everything back to the inhabitants.
Mineral rights? Ever look to see how far the Chinese government claims those in the S. China Sea? That will provide the flash point. It is but a short step to China declaring they need to defend their sealand grab to needing Taiwan to defend it. Hell, they are claiming they own everything all the way to Philippines.
It will only take one lit match, when China finally gets her blue water navy and a land force to match.
How would Monsanto do this? Cause the Justice Dept to backtrack? The only way that would happen is if the Obama administration wanted to commit suicide. Lean on Congress? Congress isn't the Justice Dept. All they can do is pass laws. Those can be taken to court, which Justice would surely do. In about 10 years, we might have a verdict. By that time, the cat will be out of the bag.
I think it would come down to what happens in an American court were a case to come up that violated an executive agreement. Does anyone know of a precedent?
I think it comes down to far can an executive order be enforced. What legal power does it have were a case to be brought up in court. I cannot imagine it would stand up very well. If that is the case, does it really matter whether Obama signs it or not?
It isn't the U.S. under threat, it is Taiwan. China wants to be in the position to dissuade the U.S. from coming to Taiwan's defense when China finally loses her mind and invades. It doesn't need to attack the U.S. to do this, just nibble a bit at the edges.
Hey neat, they predicted my comment. So Snoracle really has a concrete reason to fear Google.
Many organizations like to know there is a company behind the software they use...for various flimsy reasons. And maybe some are not so flimsy. In any case, having Google behind your Googlet is more comforting to corporate American than some diffuse OSS community.
Bullshit, Apple has license agreements with Sun, now Oracle. Or rather they are in the process of ripping them up. The reason isn't that Java's poison, the reason is that Java is either not material to Apple or they figure they can shift the cost to Oracle. Java is only poison for Android to extent Oracle has a case. If it blows up in Uncle Larry's face, that Java will do just fine. We should find out in about 10 years after the lawyers have new boats.