So what is Mozilla's core market now? It's not the Enterprise, because they gave those folks the middle finger.
It doesn't seem to be power users anymore, because Asa's good at commenting on how he doesn't care what those people think and this whole rapid release BS has pissed that group off more then anybody else due to breaking addons.
Are they now aiming at grandma? See, the problem with that is that IE and Chrome already own that market and have better distribution to get there. FF's best method of advertising is power users installing it for people. You chase the power users away and grandma will NEVER get Firefox.
So by acting like a Chrome clone... who are they trying to please? Why chase off your core market to aim at one that doesn't care about you? There's some severe management failure going on.
I wonder at what point the people who support this nonsense will stop trying to reverse the tide by spitting at it. People DO care about the version number, no matter if the ivory tower planners think they should or not.
So who is held libel when the user gets an email that says they've won millions of dollars if they click this link, ignore the security warning telling them they probably shouldn't click the link, and proceed to install some malware from god knows where?
If you're telling me that I am... well that's fine, becuase you're no longer allowed to click links. Or install stuff. Or do anything other then what I've whitelisted. Congratulations, you no longer have a PC.
There's a known bug where in some cases the updater says you're up to date when you're really not. They've released a couple versions without fixing that one.
When we're talking about browsers, the geeks that fix their parents computers and install a browser for them are a fairly substantial marketing presence. They helped FF go a long way... and now they're not.
So they want to block Java over what is a difficult to execute attack that has some serious requirements to even use... but they continue to allow Flash with it's critical flaw of the week that's being actively exploited?
Is this a joke? Flash is the single largest attack vector on the entire fucking Internet.
Forget about it not being "Final Fantasy." If you can literally tape the "UP" button down and have a drinking bird hitting X occasionally and get that far into the game with no interaction at all, it's not a "game". It's a movie.
And it wasn't very enjoyable at all. It would have been better as an actual movie without the pretext of pretending that I'm actually playing it.
Comparing Rift to the abortion that is FFXIV is laughably ridiculous. XIV is one of the worst games to come out in years, and has taken a year of work post-launch to get up to the level of "poor".
Actually I'm pretty sure it is Mozilla's fault. It's not the addon devs who decided to go to this ridiculous rapid release schedule.
Addon devs are volunteers. Expecting them to update stuff several times more often because some people in the ivory tower think that releasing every couple of weeks is a good idea doesn't mean you blame the addon devs. You blame the clowns who are screwing them over.
Now that FF changes versions every time you blink and each one has at best minor changes, why even bother posting the new versions here? It's like posting that the sun came up in the East today.
Maybe a story about the acceleration in market share loss FF has suffered since this rapid release BS started would be more interesting.
Sorry, but you're not going to be able to replicate World of Warcraft in Javascript. It's not happening. Ever. The language just isn't built to do something that huge without collapsing under its own poor design decisions... not to mention minor details like needing to stream and locally cache several GB of textures and audio files.
This only flies if you believe the future of "gaming" is what Flash games currently are: small, simple time wasters. For anything that's currently considered an AAA game, the idea that this stuff will replace it is a joke.
Why would poeple who didn't switch to Chrome before think it's a good thing that Firefox is becoming more like Chrome?
Presumably if people really wanted Chrome, they'd go get it. This "hatred" is perfectly rational. These are pissed off FF users, not Chrome users. They don't want the same things.
Much like IE's biggest user group (Enterprises) REALLY doesn't want this type of thing. If IE adopted this rapid release nonsense Microsoft would get blasted into next year.
Did Mozilla go hire some MBAs or something? That's the only rational explanation for this idiocy.
The userbase has rejected rapid release. They hate it. Users are leaving the browser faster then ever before ever since it started.
So Mozilla's response is... even faster releases? Is it possible to miss the point any more then this? People don't care about this shit, they just want a good browser.
Probably because in certain cases the "Firefox is up to date" ifnormation on that screen flat out lies and tells you you're up to date when you're really not. The version number is a pretty important sanity check until they fix that bug (which they still haven't).
Not when doing so continually breaks the things that the users you do have care about, no.
What FF user actually wants this model? Most of them don't. Releasing at the same speed as Chrome isn't going to win over Chrome users, but it will chase FF users off. That's what we're seeing here.
The company is changing strategy. This happens. Companies don't survive when they can't do this. They also don't survive when they have to broadcast to their competition in advance that they MIGHT do something before a decision has been made.
This is nothing short of lunacy. It shows not only how insanely lawsuit happy the US is, but also how paralyzing a public corporate structure has become. It's much better to be a private company these days. You've got far less onerous reporting requirements, far less overbearing regulation, and the freedom to actually do things as a company without facing constant lawsuits.
They're not paid enough for that. Seven figure salaries don't cover being responsible for your own failures in this industry. That's something for poor people.
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So what is Mozilla's core market now? It's not the Enterprise, because they gave those folks the middle finger.
It doesn't seem to be power users anymore, because Asa's good at commenting on how he doesn't care what those people think and this whole rapid release BS has pissed that group off more then anybody else due to breaking addons.
Are they now aiming at grandma? See, the problem with that is that IE and Chrome already own that market and have better distribution to get there. FF's best method of advertising is power users installing it for people. You chase the power users away and grandma will NEVER get Firefox.
So by acting like a Chrome clone... who are they trying to please? Why chase off your core market to aim at one that doesn't care about you? There's some severe management failure going on.
Why don't we just round it up to an even Firefox 2147483648?
Agreed. FF release builds are barely news worthy at this point. A new beta most certainly is not.
I wonder at what point the people who support this nonsense will stop trying to reverse the tide by spitting at it. People DO care about the version number, no matter if the ivory tower planners think they should or not.
So who is held libel when the user gets an email that says they've won millions of dollars if they click this link, ignore the security warning telling them they probably shouldn't click the link, and proceed to install some malware from god knows where?
If you're telling me that I am... well that's fine, becuase you're no longer allowed to click links. Or install stuff. Or do anything other then what I've whitelisted. Congratulations, you no longer have a PC.
There's a known bug where in some cases the updater says you're up to date when you're really not. They've released a couple versions without fixing that one.
I figure maybe they'll look at it by FF 18.
When we're talking about browsers, the geeks that fix their parents computers and install a browser for them are a fairly substantial marketing presence. They helped FF go a long way... and now they're not.
You do know that most of Mozilla's budget comes from Google, right?
Lets see... Firefox changes release schedule, and in doing so screws up addons and creates irate IT staff. Firefox usage decline accelerates.
Yep, we know for sure that pissing off your users has nothing to do with dropping market share!
Doesn't that pretty much perfectly describe everything Mozilla's been doing in the last 6 months?
So they want to block Java over what is a difficult to execute attack that has some serious requirements to even use... but they continue to allow Flash with it's critical flaw of the week that's being actively exploited?
Is this a joke? Flash is the single largest attack vector on the entire fucking Internet.
Forget about it not being "Final Fantasy." If you can literally tape the "UP" button down and have a drinking bird hitting X occasionally and get that far into the game with no interaction at all, it's not a "game". It's a movie.
And it wasn't very enjoyable at all. It would have been better as an actual movie without the pretext of pretending that I'm actually playing it.
Yes, yes, and yes?
Comparing Rift to the abortion that is FFXIV is laughably ridiculous. XIV is one of the worst games to come out in years, and has taken a year of work post-launch to get up to the level of "poor".
Actually I'm pretty sure it is Mozilla's fault. It's not the addon devs who decided to go to this ridiculous rapid release schedule.
Addon devs are volunteers. Expecting them to update stuff several times more often because some people in the ivory tower think that releasing every couple of weeks is a good idea doesn't mean you blame the addon devs. You blame the clowns who are screwing them over.
Now that FF changes versions every time you blink and each one has at best minor changes, why even bother posting the new versions here? It's like posting that the sun came up in the East today.
Maybe a story about the acceleration in market share loss FF has suffered since this rapid release BS started would be more interesting.
Are you implying that it actually matters or is in any way an "evil" activity?
This stuff isn't used that much anymore on Windows. If the usage isn't there, why continue to support it?
Sorry, but you're not going to be able to replicate World of Warcraft in Javascript. It's not happening. Ever. The language just isn't built to do something that huge without collapsing under its own poor design decisions... not to mention minor details like needing to stream and locally cache several GB of textures and audio files.
This only flies if you believe the future of "gaming" is what Flash games currently are: small, simple time wasters. For anything that's currently considered an AAA game, the idea that this stuff will replace it is a joke.
Why would poeple who didn't switch to Chrome before think it's a good thing that Firefox is becoming more like Chrome?
Presumably if people really wanted Chrome, they'd go get it. This "hatred" is perfectly rational. These are pissed off FF users, not Chrome users. They don't want the same things.
Much like IE's biggest user group (Enterprises) REALLY doesn't want this type of thing. If IE adopted this rapid release nonsense Microsoft would get blasted into next year.
Did Mozilla go hire some MBAs or something? That's the only rational explanation for this idiocy.
The userbase has rejected rapid release. They hate it. Users are leaving the browser faster then ever before ever since it started.
So Mozilla's response is... even faster releases? Is it possible to miss the point any more then this? People don't care about this shit, they just want a good browser.
Probably because in certain cases the "Firefox is up to date" ifnormation on that screen flat out lies and tells you you're up to date when you're really not. The version number is a pretty important sanity check until they fix that bug (which they still haven't).
Not when doing so continually breaks the things that the users you do have care about, no.
What FF user actually wants this model? Most of them don't. Releasing at the same speed as Chrome isn't going to win over Chrome users, but it will chase FF users off. That's what we're seeing here.
Jim would win because the newly edited Solo would wait for him to shoot first. :P
Fuck you, George Lucas.
Over here. And you're right, it is highly relevant.
We also need a link telling us what Shatner thinks about his interview being slashdotted.
The company is changing strategy. This happens. Companies don't survive when they can't do this. They also don't survive when they have to broadcast to their competition in advance that they MIGHT do something before a decision has been made.
This is nothing short of lunacy. It shows not only how insanely lawsuit happy the US is, but also how paralyzing a public corporate structure has become. It's much better to be a private company these days. You've got far less onerous reporting requirements, far less overbearing regulation, and the freedom to actually do things as a company without facing constant lawsuits.
They're not paid enough for that. Seven figure salaries don't cover being responsible for your own failures in this industry. That's something for poor people.