Very true. So why does the lunatic get to go free? You have to keep in mind that the only reason Zimmerman was attacked (if he even was attacked) was because he chased down this kid. And, repeating myself, being chased down by a "white Hispanic" as a black youth is most likely very threatening. He had every right and reason to defend himself and tell Zimmerman to fuck right off.
All we have is the hearsay report from the man who just so happens to benefit the most form it and who is also known to be overly violent. But I guess the police, like you, have decided this poor dead kid whom had no history of violence definitely brought it on himself.
So much here. First, there is no such thing as a "white hispanic". That is a term made up by the media to cover their asses after calling Zimmerman "white" for the first few days.
Next, you have the right to defend yourself when you are attacked, not just for being followed on a public street. We need to go back to the very basics and ask, "who threw the first punch?"
Finally, as a white guy, let me tell you that it is much more threatening to be followed by a black guy in a black neighborhood than it is to be followed by a "white Hispanic" in a gated community. Don't pretend that black people are the only ones who have to live in fear of being attacked because of their race.
I think the jury is still out on if that happened or not.
True. We won't know the truth until we have all the facts. There are many facts missing. The report from the paramedics, for example, has not been reported as far as I know.
So it's okay to shoot to death someone attacking you.
As a matter of fact, that is the one of the only times it is OK to shoot someone to death. The others would be if they had broken into your house or attacking a loved one.
But it is not okay to attack a lunatic carrying a gun that is chasing you?
Attacking a lunatic with a gun is the kind of thing that will get you shot.
Hmm... "my fox tampa bay" and "bob owens"... two totally trustworthy news sites there. good job.
I don't care if you trust the sites or not. Do you trust your own eyes? Watch the video again. At 52 seconds in, what is the cop looking at? Why his fascination with the back of Zimmerman's head? I wish I could tell you, but a big ABCNews Exclusive logo is blocking the back of Zimmerman's head. As Zimmerman moves around, the logo stays on the back of his head.
Now this is a surveillance video, right? Why is it moving around? Surveillance cameras don't move around. Why does this one?
Finally, at around 1:07, Zimmerman moves out of the way from the ABCNews logo and you are able to see what could be a gash on the back of his head. Can't tell for sure.
Fact is, we won't know anything until the facts come out. Paramedics were on the scene. They treated Zimmerman. If there were no wounds, why would they treat Zimmerman? If they did treat him, they would have filled out a report as well. They can tell us in a second as to what wounds Zimmerman had. Why no one is talking to them is beyond me.
You 'Murricans" are a bit weird about Capitalism and how you 'think' it 'works'. Especially after the degree of corruption of self serving corporations from arms industries to enron to banks have levelled the playing fields of the world. "Free Market' as in free to rob, lie, blackmail, for the good of the world, (but perhaps not so good for its occupants).
I think you need to learn the difference between Capitalism and Anarchy. They are not the same thing. Believe it or not, even the most staunch conservatives believe in some type of regulations. For example, monopolies and public utilities should be regulated and heavily monitored, even when privately owned and run. What conservatives are against are things like taxing the snot out of oil companies while ignoring larger and more profitable companies like Apple. I think Ronald Reagan summed it up quite well when he said, "Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work? I thought conservatives were all for the free market.
Though personally I still think that news are supposed to be neutral, and that the whole idea that a news outfit can have a political slant is a perversion, regardless of the direction.
Conservatives have nothing to do with this. This is a bunch of liberal writers mad because the liberal woman who they agreed to write for pro bono made a whole lot of money off their work.
You are correct about this being how the free market works. The funny part is that there are a bunch of "progressives" acting like conservatives who don't see the irony of their actions.
I hope that comment was a joke, and that you really aren't that ignorant of this topic...
I don't understand why his comment was "ignorant". You failed to explain it adequately. Actually, you didn't explain it at all.
I'm afraid that you need to understand that everyone who disagrees with you is not "ignorant". He made a point and then proved it with supporting links. His point was this:
You can find studies that show more hurricanes, less hurricanes, more sever hurricanes all due to global warming
And then he provided three links: Hurricanes Have Doubled Due to Global Warming, Study Says Global Warming May Mean Fewer Hurricanes Global Warming Causes Severe Storms Research Meteorologists See More Severe Storms Ahead: The Culprit -- Global Warming
I think he proved his point very well. You, on the other hand, provided absolutely no support to your claim that he is "ignorant".
Can someone explain why this was modded down? He made a point and backed it up links. If you don't agree, that's fine. Reply and tell him why he's wrong.
Modding a comment down simply because you disagree with it against the moderation guidelines.
Too late. They pounced while your weren't looking, and got FP to boot. Idiots... They're the first one to dismiss "global warming" when it snows hard in their town, while totally missing the real story - it's snowing harder because of global warming. Extremes in weather are the predictable outcome of more energy in the environment. To be sure, one storm, does not a trend make, but the observed events are pretty much following the model. "Damn those scientists! Let's just cover our eyes and ears and mutter to ourselves..."
So if it gets hotter, it's global warming. If it get's colder, it's global warming. If there are weather extremes, it's global warming. If weather is mild, it's global warming.
And my all time favorite...
If the climate changes, it's global warming.
Tell me; What would the weather be like if it were not for global warming?
I don't understand why not. Hardware makers sell hardware, not drivers. Why protect something you stand to make no money on. What's the worse that can happen? Could someone write a better driver than the hardware company? So? Am I going to refuse to buy a video card because I can download good drivers for it? What am I missing here?
The only think I can figure is that, say nVidAMD for example, is able to drop support for an outdated video card by ensuring that there are no drivers available for the latest OS, forcing consumers that use the new OS to purchase new cards. But if that were the case, these guys wouldn't be writing drivers that support five year old hardware for Windows7.
You realize that the fact that we're all chained to pump prices is precisely because we haven't gone down the liberal economic path, right?
And that the deficit problem was largely brought on by the previous administration. The current one is trying to reverse that, and may just be beginning to turn the corner on that.
You sure about that? Remember, Congress writes laws and controls the purse strings. This means that money spent is spent by Congress, not the president. Republicans held Congress until 2007. The deficit in 2007 was $161 billion. In 2009, just two years after the Democrats took over Congress, the deficit was $1,413 billion. For 2011, with a Democrat in the White House and in control of Congress, the deficit was $1300 billion. For 2012, the deficit is projected to be $1,327 billion.
Tell me again how they reversing the deficit spending? However, if by reversing, you meant increasing eight fold, then you are correct.
It sure is strange that the reality of the pump prices and the deficit counters around the country seem to show that the idea of liberal economic policies working to be more of a dream than reality.
Too bad it was conservative economic and foreign polices that brought us the wars and the recession in the first place. Go figure that repairing the worlds largest economy is costing a lot of cash. At least one of the wars is finally over.
Wrong! When Democrats took control of Congress in January, 2007, the unemployment rate was at 4.7% and the deficit was around $161 billion. The 2011 deficit was $1300 billion. You may be too young to remember, but the first six years of the Bush presidency was an economic boom. Republicans held or shared power in both houses for those six years. The last two years of Bush's presidency were influenced by a Democrat led congress. Funny how that works out.
Of course it doesn't. That's why it's funny. The truth that makes it funny is the reverse. Liberals have a bias towards reality, whereas conservatives base their opinions on ego and fairy tales.
You mean like the "fairy tales" that claim that giving tax payer money to solar power companies will reduce energy prices? Maybe you mean the fairy tales where building HOV lanes will solve our traffic woes. How about the fairy tales that show that paying people not to work will benefit the economy?
Strange that reality seems to disprove all these liberal ideas.
It stopped being funny when everyone realized it was true. Because the other side decided to depart from reality.
It sure is strange that the reality of the pump prices and the deficit counters around the country seem to show that the idea of liberal economic policies working to be more of a dream than reality.
As for insisting on organic produce, what's wrong with that? There are perfectly rational reasons for not wanting to pump even more insecticides into the biosphere.
It's not that people are insisting on organic produce for themselves. It's that these people are demanding that ALL produce must be organic. These people want to ban all GM foods, regardless of the benefits they offer. These are the same people who have convinced African nations to let their people starve rather than accept food that may contain some GM components.
For the record, I have no problem with labeling. I just don't want food banned because someone THINKS that it MIGHT cause harm regardless of the studies that prove otherwise.
Perhaps you missed certain liberal ideas, like freedom of speech, voting for the common man and not just the wealthy, women's suffrage, women having the right to divorce, abolition of slavery, end of sodomy laws criminalizing homosexuality.
And you seem to have missed certain conservative (libertarian) ideas like right to keep and bear arms, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection from illegal search and seizure, and the all important 10th Amendment which is supposed to guarantee the rights and freedoms of the individual states and people.
It's funny when groups like the ACLU claim to stand for the Bill of Rights and then conveniently ignore then ones they don't like.
Why must the only reason to recover it be to reverse-engineer it? (Besides, we already have projects like the J2X for re-mainstreaming Saturn V technlogy.) Why must you ignore the possibility that the very act of recovering this historical object doesn't in itself advance science through developing the technology to recover it? James Cameron's "voyage to the bottom of the sea" improved deep-diving technology sufficiently that I'm sure more people will go down there in the next few years.
Like I said, the only value in recovering these engines is pure nostalgia. Sure, there may be tech gained from the recovery operation itself, but this could just as easily be gained by doing something productive, like figuring out a better way to seal deep water oil drilling leaks.
Don't get me wrong, nostalgia has value, but there could be more nostalgia and tech gained by figuring how to raise the Titanic or Lusitania.
Well, for one thing, there is a real, complete Saturn V rocket sitting in a large hanger in Houston. It was built and ready to launch when the Apollo program was cancelled. So even if we needed to look at one, we could simply go there and see one in more or less pristine condition. However, the rocket in Houston did sit outside for decades exposed to the elements, so it's not like they can stand it up, refuel it and send it up. It's there for whatever other purposes you could need and it has not been on the ocean floor for the past 40 years. Whatever you could gain from bringing up the ones that were launched could be achieved better and more efficiently from the rocket in Houston. The only value the engines on the ocean floor has is purely nostalgia.
It's always been a dream of mine to see the Saturn V's reenter production and start flying again. I believe it was by far the best rocket engine system ever created.
Linux is better, faster, and more stable. Just the savings on support calls alone would be enormous.
On the various computers where I've installed most "trendy" modern distros (Ubuntu, etc), they actually run slower under Linux than Windows. Not that Linux doesn't have plenty of other advantages, but in my experience, for out-of-the-box installs, speed isn't one of them.
I think the big test would be to bench them again in six months and then a year. I think you'll find the Linux box catching up to, and then passing the Windows box as Linux does not suffer from "Windows rot." Every application you install seems to just HAVE to start up with the system and run ALL THE DAMN TIME! Do I really need iTunes, Google updater, MS Office, Acrobat Reader, and Winzip running ALL THE DAMN TIME? Here's a better idea: DON'T LAUNCH UNTIL I TELL YOU TO LAUNCH! I don't need MS Office preloaded and ready to go just case I might need to create a OneNote thingie. I think I'll be OK if I have to wait the extra 1.5 seconds when I decide to launch it. Nothing is more frustrating that when I see someone complaining about their computer being slow and I find that their little notification icons run from the clock to the middle of the task bar and then fixing it for them for the fourth time in a quarter.
It's also important to note that Linux upgrades itself for free with little user interaction. Windows can do the same, but it's not free and after four or five upgrades, your machine is useless from all the legacy stuff left over from installation's past.
not anymore, all they are seeing is the light that was emitted by them billions of years ago, the more you learn about the universe the more you realize how little you really know
This particular star is only 375 light years away. I'm pretty sure it's still there.
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Very true. So why does the lunatic get to go free? You have to keep in mind that the only reason Zimmerman was attacked (if he even was attacked) was because he chased down this kid. And, repeating myself, being chased down by a "white Hispanic" as a black youth is most likely very threatening. He had every right and reason to defend himself and tell Zimmerman to fuck right off.
All we have is the hearsay report from the man who just so happens to benefit the most form it and who is also known to be overly violent. But I guess the police, like you, have decided this poor dead kid whom had no history of violence definitely brought it on himself.
So much here. First, there is no such thing as a "white hispanic". That is a term made up by the media to cover their asses after calling Zimmerman "white" for the first few days.
Next, you have the right to defend yourself when you are attacked, not just for being followed on a public street. We need to go back to the very basics and ask, "who threw the first punch?"
Finally, as a white guy, let me tell you that it is much more threatening to be followed by a black guy in a black neighborhood than it is to be followed by a "white Hispanic" in a gated community. Don't pretend that black people are the only ones who have to live in fear of being attacked because of their race.
True. They are Islamist, not Amish.
I think the jury is still out on if that happened or not.
True. We won't know the truth until we have all the facts. There are many facts missing. The report from the paramedics, for example, has not been reported as far as I know.
So it's okay to shoot to death someone attacking you.
As a matter of fact, that is the one of the only times it is OK to shoot someone to death. The others would be if they had broken into your house or attacking a loved one.
But it is not okay to attack a lunatic carrying a gun that is chasing you?
Attacking a lunatic with a gun is the kind of thing that will get you shot.
How is this marked troll? Zimmerman's whole case seems to ride on him "feeling threatened" which apparently makes it okay to murder people in Florida.
If by "feeling threatened", you mean getting your skull bashed against a sidewalk, then yes, it means it OK to kill the person doing the bashing.
Hmm... "my fox tampa bay" and "bob owens"... two totally trustworthy news sites there. good job.
I don't care if you trust the sites or not. Do you trust your own eyes? Watch the video again. At 52 seconds in, what is the cop looking at? Why his fascination with the back of Zimmerman's head? I wish I could tell you, but a big ABCNews Exclusive logo is blocking the back of Zimmerman's head. As Zimmerman moves around, the logo stays on the back of his head.
Now this is a surveillance video, right? Why is it moving around? Surveillance cameras don't move around. Why does this one?
Finally, at around 1:07, Zimmerman moves out of the way from the ABCNews logo and you are able to see what could be a gash on the back of his head. Can't tell for sure.
Fact is, we won't know anything until the facts come out. Paramedics were on the scene. They treated Zimmerman. If there were no wounds, why would they treat Zimmerman? If they did treat him, they would have filled out a report as well. They can tell us in a second as to what wounds Zimmerman had. Why no one is talking to them is beyond me.
You 'Murricans" are a bit weird about Capitalism and how you 'think' it 'works'. Especially after the degree of corruption of self serving corporations from arms industries to enron to banks have levelled the playing fields of the world. "Free Market' as in free to rob, lie, blackmail, for the good of the world, (but perhaps not so good for its occupants).
I think you need to learn the difference between Capitalism and Anarchy. They are not the same thing. Believe it or not, even the most staunch conservatives believe in some type of regulations. For example, monopolies and public utilities should be regulated and heavily monitored, even when privately owned and run. What conservatives are against are things like taxing the snot out of oil companies while ignoring larger and more profitable companies like Apple. I think Ronald Reagan summed it up quite well when he said, "Government's view of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it."
Isn't that how capitalism is supposed to work? I thought conservatives were all for the free market.
Though personally I still think that news are supposed to be neutral, and that the whole idea that a news outfit can have a political slant is a perversion, regardless of the direction.
Conservatives have nothing to do with this. This is a bunch of liberal writers mad because the liberal woman who they agreed to write for pro bono made a whole lot of money off their work.
You are correct about this being how the free market works. The funny part is that there are a bunch of "progressives" acting like conservatives who don't see the irony of their actions.
I hope that comment was a joke, and that you really aren't that ignorant of this topic...
I don't understand why his comment was "ignorant". You failed to explain it adequately. Actually, you didn't explain it at all.
I'm afraid that you need to understand that everyone who disagrees with you is not "ignorant". He made a point and then proved it with supporting links. His point was this:
You can find studies that show more hurricanes, less hurricanes, more sever hurricanes all due to global warming
And then he provided three links:
Hurricanes Have Doubled Due to Global Warming, Study Says
Global Warming May Mean Fewer Hurricanes
Global Warming Causes Severe Storms Research Meteorologists See More Severe Storms Ahead: The Culprit -- Global Warming
I think he proved his point very well. You, on the other hand, provided absolutely no support to your claim that he is "ignorant".
You can find studies that show more hurricanes, less hurricanes, more sever hurricanes all due to global warming. It's getting old attributing every possible outcome to Advance Global Warming. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/07/070730-hurricane-warming.html http://www.science20.com/news/global_warming_may_mean_fewer_hurricanes http://www.sciencedaily.com/videos/2009/0109-global_warming_causes_severe_storms.htm
Can someone explain why this was modded down? He made a point and backed it up links. If you don't agree, that's fine. Reply and tell him why he's wrong.
Modding a comment down simply because you disagree with it against the moderation guidelines.
Too late. They pounced while your weren't looking, and got FP to boot. Idiots... They're the first one to dismiss "global warming" when it snows hard in their town, while totally missing the real story - it's snowing harder because of global warming. Extremes in weather are the predictable outcome of more energy in the environment. To be sure, one storm, does not a trend make, but the observed events are pretty much following the model. "Damn those scientists! Let's just cover our eyes and ears and mutter to ourselves..."
So if it gets hotter, it's global warming. If it get's colder, it's global warming. If there are weather extremes, it's global warming. If weather is mild, it's global warming.
And my all time favorite...
If the climate changes, it's global warming.
Tell me; What would the weather be like if it were not for global warming?
more regulations, taxes
Think of the billionaires' children!
Don't you worry! Those kids will be just fine. I fear, however, for the children of those that work for the billionaires.
I'll try this h3d thing but my hopes are low.
Now I gotta know... did it work?
No.
I don't understand why not. Hardware makers sell hardware, not drivers. Why protect something you stand to make no money on. What's the worse that can happen? Could someone write a better driver than the hardware company? So? Am I going to refuse to buy a video card because I can download good drivers for it? What am I missing here?
The only think I can figure is that, say nVidAMD for example, is able to drop support for an outdated video card by ensuring that there are no drivers available for the latest OS, forcing consumers that use the new OS to purchase new cards. But if that were the case, these guys wouldn't be writing drivers that support five year old hardware for Windows7.
You realize that the fact that we're all chained to pump prices is precisely because we haven't gone down the liberal economic path, right?
And that the deficit problem was largely brought on by the previous administration. The current one is trying to reverse that, and may just be beginning to turn the corner on that.
You sure about that? Remember, Congress writes laws and controls the purse strings. This means that money spent is spent by Congress, not the president. Republicans held Congress until 2007. The deficit in 2007 was $161 billion. In 2009, just two years after the Democrats took over Congress, the deficit was $1,413 billion. For 2011, with a Democrat in the White House and in control of Congress, the deficit was $1300 billion. For 2012, the deficit is projected to be $1,327 billion.
Tell me again how they reversing the deficit spending? However, if by reversing, you meant increasing eight fold, then you are correct.
Source
It sure is strange that the reality of the pump prices and the deficit counters around the country seem to show that the idea of liberal economic policies working to be more of a dream than reality.
Too bad it was conservative economic and foreign polices that brought us the wars and the recession in the first place. Go figure that repairing the worlds largest economy is costing a lot of cash. At least one of the wars is finally over.
Wrong! When Democrats took control of Congress in January, 2007, the unemployment rate was at 4.7% and the deficit was around $161 billion. The 2011 deficit was $1300 billion. You may be too young to remember, but the first six years of the Bush presidency was an economic boom. Republicans held or shared power in both houses for those six years. The last two years of Bush's presidency were influenced by a Democrat led congress. Funny how that works out.
Of course it doesn't. That's why it's funny. The truth that makes it funny is the reverse. Liberals have a bias towards reality, whereas conservatives base their opinions on ego and fairy tales.
You mean like the "fairy tales" that claim that giving tax payer money to solar power companies will reduce energy prices? Maybe you mean the fairy tales where building HOV lanes will solve our traffic woes. How about the fairy tales that show that paying people not to work will benefit the economy?
Strange that reality seems to disprove all these liberal ideas.
It stopped being funny when everyone realized it was true. Because the other side decided to depart from reality.
It sure is strange that the reality of the pump prices and the deficit counters around the country seem to show that the idea of liberal economic policies working to be more of a dream than reality.
As for insisting on organic produce, what's wrong with that? There are perfectly rational reasons for not wanting to pump even more insecticides into the biosphere.
It's not that people are insisting on organic produce for themselves. It's that these people are demanding that ALL produce must be organic. These people want to ban all GM foods, regardless of the benefits they offer. These are the same people who have convinced African nations to let their people starve rather than accept food that may contain some GM components.
For the record, I have no problem with labeling. I just don't want food banned because someone THINKS that it MIGHT cause harm regardless of the studies that prove otherwise.
...and fiscal conservatives only want to fund people who think like they do.
And this is different from the current administrat
Perhaps you missed certain liberal ideas, like freedom of speech, voting for the common man and not just the wealthy, women's suffrage, women having the right to divorce, abolition of slavery, end of sodomy laws criminalizing homosexuality.
And you seem to have missed certain conservative (libertarian) ideas like right to keep and bear arms, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection from illegal search and seizure, and the all important 10th Amendment which is supposed to guarantee the rights and freedoms of the individual states and people.
It's funny when groups like the ACLU claim to stand for the Bill of Rights and then conveniently ignore then ones they don't like.
Why must the only reason to recover it be to reverse-engineer it? (Besides, we already have projects like the J2X for re-mainstreaming Saturn V technlogy.) Why must you ignore the possibility that the very act of recovering this historical object doesn't in itself advance science through developing the technology to recover it? James Cameron's "voyage to the bottom of the sea" improved deep-diving technology sufficiently that I'm sure more people will go down there in the next few years.
Like I said, the only value in recovering these engines is pure nostalgia. Sure, there may be tech gained from the recovery operation itself, but this could just as easily be gained by doing something productive, like figuring out a better way to seal deep water oil drilling leaks.
Don't get me wrong, nostalgia has value, but there could be more nostalgia and tech gained by figuring how to raise the Titanic or Lusitania.
Why is the project stupid?
Well, for one thing, there is a real, complete Saturn V rocket sitting in a large hanger in Houston. It was built and ready to launch when the Apollo program was cancelled. So even if we needed to look at one, we could simply go there and see one in more or less pristine condition. However, the rocket in Houston did sit outside for decades exposed to the elements, so it's not like they can stand it up, refuel it and send it up. It's there for whatever other purposes you could need and it has not been on the ocean floor for the past 40 years. Whatever you could gain from bringing up the ones that were launched could be achieved better and more efficiently from the rocket in Houston. The only value the engines on the ocean floor has is purely nostalgia.
It's always been a dream of mine to see the Saturn V's reenter production and start flying again. I believe it was by far the best rocket engine system ever created.
Linux is better, faster, and more stable. Just the savings on support calls alone would be enormous.
On the various computers where I've installed most "trendy" modern distros (Ubuntu, etc), they actually run slower under Linux than Windows. Not that Linux doesn't have plenty of other advantages, but in my experience, for out-of-the-box installs, speed isn't one of them.
I think the big test would be to bench them again in six months and then a year. I think you'll find the Linux box catching up to, and then passing the Windows box as Linux does not suffer from "Windows rot." Every application you install seems to just HAVE to start up with the system and run ALL THE DAMN TIME! Do I really need iTunes, Google updater, MS Office, Acrobat Reader, and Winzip running ALL THE DAMN TIME? Here's a better idea: DON'T LAUNCH UNTIL I TELL YOU TO LAUNCH! I don't need MS Office preloaded and ready to go just case I might need to create a OneNote thingie. I think I'll be OK if I have to wait the extra 1.5 seconds when I decide to launch it. Nothing is more frustrating that when I see someone complaining about their computer being slow and I find that their little notification icons run from the clock to the middle of the task bar and then fixing it for them for the fourth time in a quarter.
It's also important to note that Linux upgrades itself for free with little user interaction. Windows can do the same, but it's not free and after four or five upgrades, your machine is useless from all the legacy stuff left over from installation's past.
not anymore, all they are seeing is the light that was emitted by them billions of years ago, the more you learn about the universe the more you realize how little you really know
This particular star is only 375 light years away. I'm pretty sure it's still there.
not going to make a starship out of water or gases... so to even invade with starships, they have to already have found sources of metal...
Well, if they do make a starship out of gas, the fan suddenly becomes our ultimate weapon.