By saying they served with Kerry, they meant that they served close to Kerry, but not on the same boat. I served on a tank. This is similar to what the swift boat guys did in the sense that we all had our own tanks and did our own thing. However, when we were deployed, or bunked down or received orders, or marched, or trained, or did anything at all that was not on the tank, we all did it together. While I did not serve on SGT Carpenter's tank in '91, I know that he would not make a good president. I know that he was coward, liar and backstabber. But because I was not ON HIS TANK, does that mean I don't know him? Also, not everyone on Kerry's boat supports him. There are a total of at least 60 Swift boat Vets that are against Kerry. There about 9 that are for him. You studied in school, right?
And, um, no. Vietnam Vets Against Kerry is not brought to you by the Republican Party. Just like Fahrenheit-911 was not brought to you by the Democratic party. (However, the Vietnam Vet guy is giving all him procedes from his book to charity... You can't say the same for McMoore)
Oh, and I thought Clinton held the copyright for cokeheads that avoided service in Vietnam. Why is it such a big deal now. No one cared when Clinton was running against Dole. I can see how Dole got his Purple Heart!
He did say "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command..." In other words, these these were happening all the time and everyone knew about it. He's not so stupid to sit there during a Senate hearing and say "everyone committed war crimes but me." He's a backstabber, but not a moron!
There, you've now been shown something like that anyway.
You disgrace idiots when you talk like that. I'm a Veteran "techno vampire" did not disgrace me at all. Here, let me give you a John Kerry quote from when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 (from www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestim ony.html
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
"Especially when the one leading the much rakers (Bush) himself dogdged Vietnam."
No one seemed to mind that Clinton dodged Vietnam. Why is it such a big deal now.
IMO, when Kerry started answering every question with "When I was in Vietnam...", he made his record fair game. However, he has not fully released that record. I wonder why not? There can't be much there for just four months.
Oh, and a few John Kerry quotes since you don't believe that he called soldier's criminals. This is from VIETNAM WAR VETERAN JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971 (http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKer ryTestimony.html)
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
Funny how the people that trump up Kerry's war record against Bush are the same people that didn't care about Clinton's war record against Dole.
Why is OK for Clinton to leave the country and not OK for Bush to serve in the Nat Guard?
Does Kerry still get to claim his medals after he threw them onto the whitehouse lawn in protest?
Why was it such a big deal that all the records relating to GWB's service be released, while Kerry still refuses to release all of his?
Oh, and they dispute two of Kerry's Purple Hearts. One was caused by flying rice (because he blew up rice and some hit him), for example.
How does a man get three Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star in 4 months? That's one major medal a month (for you math majors). I always thought that you had to be really hurt to get a Purple Heart. I mean the kind of wounds that take you out of action for four months each.
While they say that Kerry did pull a man out of the water, there were other boats that were feet away that were going to save him. However, they were not under enemy fire and the reason Kerry's boat was there first was because Kerry ran when they came under fire.
Did you know that Kerry put in for every single one of his medals himself? The only one recomending Kerry for medals was John Kerry.
Face it, no one is going to vote for Nader or any other third party candidate because they know he can't win. Still, we need third parties.
The best way to allow third parties in is mandate that no one can become President without a majority of the vote.
This would have forced a run off between GHWBush and Clinton and would have eliminated any Perot effect. It would have also forced a run off between GWBush and Gore and eliminated any Nader effect. This would free up the population to vote for whoever they wanted and not just who they think has a chance of winning.
Oh, and the reason we have to go with Israel is because they don't strap bombs on kids and have them walk into pizza parlors full of other kids and blow themselves up.
Well, there is a bigger difference than what you think. You see, if I get married in one state, any state at all, all of the other 49 states have to recognize that marriage. So, if it's legal to marry a goat in California, then that marriage becomes legal in Rhode Island. That's how it works.
So, by saying "let the states decide", you are saying, "if any judge in any state thinks it's OK, then that becomes the law of the land."
Therefor, the ONLY way to stop some way-too-liberal judge in California from making laws in Texas is to pass a Constitutional ammendment.... period!
True, the two positions are anything but identical, but you have to understand both positions to know what the difference is. In your example, you clearly miss the point that these judges are going against the will of people they don't even represent. The only way to protect state's rights from foreign judges in this matter is to pass a constitutional ammendment.
Yes, I remember what Nader did to Gore. I also remember what Perot did GHWBush. If it were not for Perot, Clinton would not have won the first time. That would've really hurt his REelection chances.
It's all good. What we really need is for Perot AND Nader to run. Then everything would be ballanced.
"If scientists didn't admit they were wrong we would still be blindly following the works of Ptolemy and believing that the earth goes around the sun"
When did the Earth stop going around the sun? Maybe I should look at becoming an encycopedia salesman!
Sorry, but under your definition Hawking would not qualify. Hawking drank quite a bit in College, did not serve in Vietnam, and believes that God controls the Universe.
You must also realize all the decoy files that are out there as well. How many times have you downloaded a "song" only to have a series of tones interrupt it every 30 seconds or so? Maybe you've downloaded something that is the first 10 seconds of a song over and over? I also can't help but wonder if dowloads that were requested and never finished or never started with message, "Waiting for more users..."
I'm sorry, but I have not seen any gas chambers here in Texas. Maybe they are hidden somewhere on the Haliburton compound. Still, I can't believe all these women and children are being trained into there without anyone noticing. For such an idiot, Bush is certainly doing a great job of riddin us of all those Jewish women and children.
OK, seriously now... How many women and children has Bush killed? Has he killed more than a million? That would still be less that what Unicef said died in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Did you care? No. Why? Because Saddam Hussein is not Bush. You could handle Saddam in power as long as it was not Bush. Your hatred for Bush would cause you to sacrifice countless men, women and children, not to mention American service men and women, just to see Bush get a little egg on his face. Don't act like you care about the "women and children" because you certainly didn't give a shit about any Iraqis before the invasion, why do you claim to now?
Torture? Don't even get me started on the "torture" you claim. Show me the limbs that Bush thugs have cut off. Show me the video tapes of the raped wives sent to their husbands.
I've been to the mideast dipshit. People like you running around screaming "Torture" and "...killed women and children" only encourages terrorist to kill more coalition forces and Iraqi civilians, not to mention American and European civilians. Again, you don't care about them. Damn the whole world as long as Bush is damned with them.
Do you think that if you keeps saying it, people will believe it? It evidently worked on you! Why don't you do something you've never done before and actually think about what you hear and say. You should also try to back up your dribble with some kind of evidence. You should actually look up the "facts" that are spewed out in a McMoore movie and get the real truth. Don't be such a sheep.
Ya know, I'm tired of the relentless attack on our president. He's not a fascist, he's not a racist, he's not stupid, and he's not bent on taking over the world or the world's oil. I didn't like it when Clinton was relentlessly attacked, and I certainly don't like it now that GWB is given ten times as much. No one called Clinton Hitler. I find it odd that those that stuck up for Clinton and said the attacks were wrong are the same ones that hammer Bush day in and day out. Get off it already. Bush is not Hitler. Bush has not killed 6 million Jews (or any other race for that matter... Saddam has BTW). Bush did not invade France, Belgium, Russia, Poland etc. All the countries "invaded" by the US under Bush were turned back over to local government control, not turned into states or territories. Bush is not Hitler, I don't care how hard you try to make the comparison.
Example of hypocracy: Why is it peopel bitch and moan because Bush went into Iraq, (no threat to US? intelligence said otherwise... do a google for russian intelligence iraq attack US.. or just open http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/06/18/0 12.html) yet no one said a word when Clinton bombed the snott out of Bosnia without UN or France's approval. If you are going to be that hyporcritical, at least try to be more sly about it!
Yeah, it's OT... just responding to another OT post.
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By saying they served with Kerry, they meant that they served close to Kerry, but not on the same boat. I served on a tank. This is similar to what the swift boat guys did in the sense that we all had our own tanks and did our own thing. However, when we were deployed, or bunked down or received orders, or marched, or trained, or did anything at all that was not on the tank, we all did it together. While I did not serve on SGT Carpenter's tank in '91, I know that he would not make a good president. I know that he was coward, liar and backstabber. But because I was not ON HIS TANK, does that mean I don't know him? Also, not everyone on Kerry's boat supports him. There are a total of at least 60 Swift boat Vets that are against Kerry. There about 9 that are for him. You studied in school, right?
And, um, no. Vietnam Vets Against Kerry is not brought to you by the Republican Party. Just like Fahrenheit-911 was not brought to you by the Democratic party. (However, the Vietnam Vet guy is giving all him procedes from his book to charity... You can't say the same for McMoore)
Oh, and I thought Clinton held the copyright for cokeheads that avoided service in Vietnam. Why is it such a big deal now. No one cared when Clinton was running against Dole. I can see how Dole got his Purple Heart!
He did say "crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command..." In other words, these these were happening all the time and everyone knew about it. He's not so stupid to sit there during a Senate hearing and say "everyone committed war crimes but me." He's a backstabber, but not a moron!
There, you've now been shown something like that anyway.
You disgrace idiots when you talk like that. I'm a Veteran "techno vampire" did not disgrace me at all. Here, let me give you a John Kerry quote from when he testified before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971 (from www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestim ony.html
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
"Especially when the one leading the much rakers (Bush) himself dogdged Vietnam."
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No one seemed to mind that Clinton dodged Vietnam. Why is it such a big deal now.
IMO, when Kerry started answering every question with "When I was in Vietnam...", he made his record fair game. However, he has not fully released that record. I wonder why not? There can't be much there for just four months.
Oh, and a few John Kerry quotes since you don't believe that he called soldier's criminals. This is from VIETNAM WAR VETERAN JOHN KERRY'S TESTIMONY BEFORE THE SENATE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, APRIL 22, 1971 (http://www.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKe
I would like to talk, representing all those veterans, and say that several months ago in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged and many very highly decorated veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia, not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command....
They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.
Funny how the people that trump up Kerry's war record against Bush are the same people that didn't care about Clinton's war record against Dole.
Why is OK for Clinton to leave the country and not OK for Bush to serve in the Nat Guard?
Does Kerry still get to claim his medals after he threw them onto the whitehouse lawn in protest?
Why was it such a big deal that all the records relating to GWB's service be released, while Kerry still refuses to release all of his?
Oh, and they dispute two of Kerry's Purple Hearts. One was caused by flying rice (because he blew up rice and some hit him), for example.
How does a man get three Purple Hearts and a Bronze Star in 4 months? That's one major medal a month (for you math majors). I always thought that you had to be really hurt to get a Purple Heart. I mean the kind of wounds that take you out of action for four months each.
While they say that Kerry did pull a man out of the water, there were other boats that were feet away that were going to save him. However, they were not under enemy fire and the reason Kerry's boat was there first was because Kerry ran when they came under fire.
Did you know that Kerry put in for every single one of his medals himself? The only one recomending Kerry for medals was John Kerry.
Face it, no one is going to vote for Nader or any other third party candidate because they know he can't win. Still, we need third parties.
The best way to allow third parties in is mandate that no one can become President without a majority of the vote.
This would have forced a run off between GHWBush and Clinton and would have eliminated any Perot effect. It would have also forced a run off between GWBush and Gore and eliminated any Nader effect. This would free up the population to vote for whoever they wanted and not just who they think has a chance of winning.
Oh, and the reason we have to go with Israel is because they don't strap bombs on kids and have them walk into pizza parlors full of other kids and blow themselves up.
Well, there is a bigger difference than what you think. You see, if I get married in one state, any state at all, all of the other 49 states have to recognize that marriage. So, if it's legal to marry a goat in California, then that marriage becomes legal in Rhode Island. That's how it works.
So, by saying "let the states decide", you are saying, "if any judge in any state thinks it's OK, then that becomes the law of the land."
Therefor, the ONLY way to stop some way-too-liberal judge in California from making laws in Texas is to pass a Constitutional ammendment.... period!
True, the two positions are anything but identical, but you have to understand both positions to know what the difference is. In your example, you clearly miss the point that these judges are going against the will of people they don't even represent. The only way to protect state's rights from foreign judges in this matter is to pass a constitutional ammendment.
Yes, I remember what Nader did to Gore. I also remember what Perot did GHWBush. If it were not for Perot, Clinton would not have won the first time. That would've really hurt his REelection chances.
It's all good. What we really need is for Perot AND Nader to run. Then everything would be ballanced.
"If scientists didn't admit they were wrong we would still be blindly following the works of Ptolemy and believing that the earth goes around the sun" When did the Earth stop going around the sun? Maybe I should look at becoming an encycopedia salesman!
Sorry, but under your definition Hawking would not qualify. Hawking drank quite a bit in College, did not serve in Vietnam, and believes that God controls the Universe.
You must also realize all the decoy files that are out there as well. How many times have you downloaded a "song" only to have a series of tones interrupt it every 30 seconds or so? Maybe you've downloaded something that is the first 10 seconds of a song over and over? I also can't help but wonder if dowloads that were requested and never finished or never started with message, "Waiting for more users..."
Figures you'd quote Mussolini to try and prove your point.
Actually, isn't that the definition of Communism?
OK, now you are just being stupid.
I'm sorry, but I have not seen any gas chambers here in Texas. Maybe they are hidden somewhere on the Haliburton compound. Still, I can't believe all these women and children are being trained into there without anyone noticing. For such an idiot, Bush is certainly doing a great job of riddin us of all those Jewish women and children.
OK, seriously now... How many women and children has Bush killed? Has he killed more than a million? That would still be less that what Unicef said died in Iraq under Saddam Hussein. Did you care? No. Why? Because Saddam Hussein is not Bush. You could handle Saddam in power as long as it was not Bush. Your hatred for Bush would cause you to sacrifice countless men, women and children, not to mention American service men and women, just to see Bush get a little egg on his face. Don't act like you care about the "women and children" because you certainly didn't give a shit about any Iraqis before the invasion, why do you claim to now?
Torture? Don't even get me started on the "torture" you claim. Show me the limbs that Bush thugs have cut off. Show me the video tapes of the raped wives sent to their husbands.
I've been to the mideast dipshit. People like you running around screaming "Torture" and "...killed women and children" only encourages terrorist to kill more coalition forces and Iraqi civilians, not to mention American and European civilians. Again, you don't care about them. Damn the whole world as long as Bush is damned with them.
"...bush is known supporter of these ideologies"?
Really?
Do you think that if you keeps saying it, people will believe it? It evidently worked on you! Why don't you do something you've never done before and actually think about what you hear and say. You should also try to back up your dribble with some kind of evidence. You should actually look up the "facts" that are spewed out in a McMoore movie and get the real truth. Don't be such a sheep.
Ya know, I'm tired of the relentless attack on our president. He's not a fascist, he's not a racist, he's not stupid, and he's not bent on taking over the world or the world's oil. I didn't like it when Clinton was relentlessly attacked, and I certainly don't like it now that GWB is given ten times as much. No one called Clinton Hitler. I find it odd that those that stuck up for Clinton and said the attacks were wrong are the same ones that hammer Bush day in and day out. Get off it already. Bush is not Hitler. Bush has not killed 6 million Jews (or any other race for that matter... Saddam has BTW). Bush did not invade France, Belgium, Russia, Poland etc. All the countries "invaded" by the US under Bush were turned back over to local government control, not turned into states or territories. Bush is not Hitler, I don't care how hard you try to make the comparison. Example of hypocracy: Why is it peopel bitch and moan because Bush went into Iraq, (no threat to US? intelligence said otherwise... do a google for russian intelligence iraq attack US.. or just open http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2004/06/18/0 12.html) yet no one said a word when Clinton bombed the snott out of Bosnia without UN or France's approval. If you are going to be that hyporcritical, at least try to be more sly about it!
Yeah, it's OT... just responding to another OT post.