That's a nice ad hominem you have there. I'll one up you with some name-calling: You are an idiot.
Why don't you address his argument next time, instead of just being an asshole?
I am so sorry. I intentionally made the refutation so obvious that anyone with the intelligence above a non-functioning moron would get it. Here, let me spell it out for you. (Note to person reading this to Pseudonym Authority, please read it slower than you did my previous comment as I don't feel this is one of his "good days". Also, I appreciate the work you do with these people.)
See, the original poster was pushing for those of us that drive cars be forced to stop because he feels it's a waste of energy. Unfortunately, he completely missed his own hypocrisy as he is wasting energy by posting on an Internet forum. He should save energy by having his computer turned while he goes outside plants trees or something. So my response is to say to him "YOU FIRST!"
Where do all these electric cars get their power from? It's okay to pollute wherever the power plants are built, just as long as it's not in the city limits, eh?
yes it is!... same as it is ok to shit in the bathroom but not in the kitchen.. got it now?
Then why are they trying to have coal powered plants shut down, even if they are in the boonies?
Where do all these electric cars get their power from? It's okay to pollute wherever the power plants are built, just as long as it's not in the city limits, eh?
Why do the power plants need to be polluting? This proposal does come from the continent that leads the way on alternative energy sources like wind, solar and nuclear power.
Didn't Merkel in Germany just decide to phase out nuclear power? I don't see wind and solar picking up the slack to meet current demands, much less the increased demands once all cars are electric.
It's easier to replace 2 coal power plants than 100k privately owned cars.
Replace them with what? Solar and wind don't cut it now. They certainly won't stand a chance once all of our cars are added to the grid. That leaves unicorn farts and pixie dust, both of which are in extremely short supply.
Clean energy is *NOT* a free market issue, or even a regulated market issue. It is one of the greatest issues of our time, and it requires complete social support--as we defend our homelands from intruders--as we protect our liberty and freedom--we ought protect our lifesupport, our environmet.
There is a point where waiting for people to do the right thing on their own is not safe or wise.
So says the guy using an coal powered machine to make the rest of us feel guilty about the car we drive.
1- You can't ship hydrogen cheaply or efficiently.
Yes you can! You can fill giant bags with it, strap some propellers on the side and it will fly itself. Probably safe enough to include passengers who want to go along for the ride. We can call the gas ships or something similar.
Seriously, though. Blimps had little trouble hanging on to their hydrogen as long as they were not flying infernos. I'm not recommending bringing back hydrogen blimps as a method of transportation, but they should make for a safe, unmanned self delivery mechanism. Even if they do blow up, the dangerous stuff tends blows upward.
If you have solar panels capture the energy, they simply suck the energy up, store it, and when it returns as heat in the friction of the objects it moves, the lights it powers, etc. Without the solar panels, the light would just be heat. So it is free.
OK. But what if I use it to run my air conditioner or refrigerator??
(Yes, I know. Don't call me a dumbass or someone will "Whoosh!" you)
Sunlight "falls" from the sky every day... and so does clean water, free as can be, and fairly safe to transport.. We don't need no desalination plants,
The water that falls from the sky is not necessarily "clean". Sure, it's better than sea water or Mississippi River red clay water, but it's not "industrial grade" clean. See all those little marks on your car after it rains? That's all the stuff that is left after water evaporated. Now imagine how gunked up these things will get with that much left over stuff from every drop of water it processes.
BTW, those "Spot Free" car washes use filtered water during the rinse phase so that nothing is left after the water dries.
You just don't know how to recognise weasel words when you hear them. No president has ever been able to dictate the full terms of any budget plan, not even close. At best he leans on prominent committee members to get some high profile stuff the way he wants it. Then it's either compromise and get something passed or fight it out with a veto. Obama seems to be big on compromising.
To be fair, he repeated the pledge at the State of Union one year without the "under my plan" bit. However, just like this time, he stated that people making under $250,000/yr would not pay "one dime more" in taxes. He kept that promise as no one is paying only one dime more. I'm paying thousands more in one way or another, that's tens of thousands of dimes, not just one.
Who said about having to buy a new car? There are used cars, there are hybrids, there are efficient compact cars, there is selling your car.... There are many different ways of dealing with this issue.
I grow my own food. See, that's how I'm green. I vermicompost all my veggie waste and recycle that into my garden to feed my family. My trash bin is nearly empty every week as I try my best to eliminate my footprint from the planet. Nearly everything I use is recycled around the house. Soda bottles, plastic bags, yogurt cups, egg cartons, newspapers and damn near everything else around here gets reused. I don't buy produce that uses fossil fuels to transport it to my local store nor do I support corporate farms that spray poison over the sterile franken-food that they force from the ground using chemicals cocktails.
Unfortunately, in order to live my life that way, I have to make some trade-offs. For example, I need a truck. There is no way I can pick up all the craigslist leaves and freecycle materials that I need to live this way. So, if you can tell me where I can buy a fully electric truck that will transport me and my composting materials at least 100 miles without a recharge, I'd certainly appreciate it. If you can't, the STFU as you have no idea as to what the fuck you are talking about.
Somehow though, you don't strike me as deluded. Merely as blinded by team colors.
Are you fucking kidding me? You seriously believe that adding a new tax on top of the taxes I'm paying is not a tax increase? Seriously? And you accuse me of being "blinded by team colors"?
Hey dumbass, unless Obama veto's this bill if and when it comes up, he lied to you and here you are making excuses for him, actually making yourself believe that this is not a tax increase. You are actually capable of tossing out all rational and logical thought and believing that this would not be a tax increase, even though everyone will be paying more in taxes. And yes, EVERYONE that drives a car or mows a yard or does anything at all that involves a vehicle of any kind, including buying produce at the local grocer, will either pay higher taxes or end up paying more FOR higher taxes, especially if you drive an electric car. See, if you drive a fully electric car, you don't pay gas taxes right now. If this bill passes, you'll be paying MORE taxes than you would have been before Obama signs it. See, paying more in taxes is a tax increase, regardless of the party that passes the law.
Sorry, I don't applaud when the government forces me to change the way I live my life. If you do, your a fucking lamb. You are the very definition of useful idiot. Not only do you cheer when the rights of others are taken away, but you cheer as they are being stripped from yourself because you feel like it's your team that is doing the oppression. You are the kinda guy that would gladly see your life ruined as long as you knew that someone you viewed as the opposition had their life ruined as well.
Everyone will have to pay for this... EVERYONE. Rich, poor, middle class... everyone. And even if you were forced to walk everywhere and that single mom of two becomes homeless because she couldn't afford to drive to work, you would be happy as long as you saw the guy who was driving a hummer yesterday riding around in a hybrid Lexus today, just because you would feel like you were the one who forced him to change his lifestyle.
Compare to the sheer amount of handouts the Retardicans have handed to their robber baron oil buddies.
Then wonder why the American scientific and education communities keep getting hosed by the Retardicans, party of tax breaks for billionaires paid for by pay cuts to the poor and middle class.
Evidently you missed the story today about how GE made $5 billion in profits, and not only paid nothing in US taxes, but actually received a tax rebate of $3.2 billion.
Hate to break it to you, but the "Retardicans" are not in control any more. Who are you going to blame for this?
"I can make a firm pledge under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
A new tax is not a tax increase.
So when Bush Sr. said, "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES" and taxes were raised, was he still telling the truth? There were no NEW taxes. The old ones were just higher. It still cost him the election I saw the his "Read my lips..." clip on the news more times in '92 than I did in '88, and I was in friggin Kuwait in '92!
You missed the part where this is in response to a decrease in the amount of tax revenue collected from the gas tax - i.e., a decrease in the effective gas tax. But that would get in the way of a good ol'fashioned Anti-Obama rant.
I make well under $250,000/yr and I can't afford a new electric car. That means I'll be paying the same amount of tax I was paying last year for gas, PLUS whatever extra I'll have to pay per mile if this should happen to get passed. Nowhere in Obama's "firm pledge" did he mention anything conditions other than the annual income my family makes, and that has remained well under the $250,000 cap that Obama "pledged". Yet, for some reason, the amount of money I spend towards taxes will increase. That's a form of tax increase he pledged I would not see.
I don't mean to rail on Obama, but as he said himself, "Words have meaning." A "firm pledge" is a promise and I don't like it when someone breaks their promises to me, especially when they just said it to get elected. I guess since the media won't call him out on it, I have to do what I can. I'm already paying more in cigarette taxes, so I guess I shouldn't be upset since the "firm pledge" was broken within 60 days of him taking office.
Surely part of the problem with the Constitution as it stands is that it was written in the 1790s, when they didn't pave roads etc. The Founding Fathers had some great ideas, but perhaps now is the time to start looking at a new constitution - one that incorporates freedom of speech at the outset, rather than being bolted on the side like it was an afterthought.
There's no need. What needs to happen is for the government and courts to treat the 10'th Amendment with save vigor that they treat the first.
Isn't this already covered by the gas tax, which is inherently incurred on a "per mile" (gallon, really) basis?
Anything that can be taxed, will. Those things which can not be taxed will be fined.
None of that matters. This tax will only apply to those making over $250,000/yr.
"I can make a firm pledge under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
My best example is how much Al quada loves the US after the US went into their country and armed Al quada.
The US armed the Mujaheddin that grew into the Western Alliance, not Al Qaeda. The Western Alliance was the non-bat-shit crazy group of terrorists half that was fighting for control of Afghanistan for 30 or so years. The other half was the Taliban. Guess which side we abandoned after the Soviets left Afghanistan? Guess which side we jumped in and started helping after 9-11.
Oh, and the Western Alliance has loved America since we provided them Stinger missiles to counter the Soviet Hind-D. This was well known by Al Qaeda and the Taliban as well. They assassinated the leader of the Western Alliance with a car bomb within days of 9-11. Many believe the two operations were closely related.
As for who is imposing their will, it appears that Gaddafi imposing his will on the African country he has ruled for 41 years. Strange that you would support a dictator. I guess you may have a case if the dictator had stayed in power by winning free and open elections for over 40 years, but that's not even the case here. It's not like the population is laying flowers down at his feet. There is an open rebellion going on over there.
So, again, it doesn't seem like it's the west imposing their will. It looks to me like the west is trying to remove the people out from under the oppressive rule of a dictator.
If you convict Manning -- then please, let us all know, WHY THE FUCK we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?
I can do that now.
We invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring Osama Bin Laden, the guy that was/is in charge of the group that pulled off 9-11.
We invaded Iraq for several reasons. They violated 19 UN resolutions, each with use of military force as a potential result of violation. They tried to kill US service men and women enforcing those UN resolutions. They tried to kill a former US president. They committed several crimes against humanity.... And there are many more but there is no point in bringing them up because you've heard them all before and rejected them because they contradict what you already believed and you are incapable of changing your mind. See, if you change your opinion, you feel that it is an admission that you were wrong, and since you are obviously never wrong, the facts must be wrong. Everyone else, however, must keep an open mind and anyone who does not come around to your way of thinking is closed minded, and therefor a bigot.
Manning is a fucking traitor, nothing less. What else do you call someone who steals secret documents and gives to someone who is not supposed to have them?
And don't give me that bullshit about how he wanted to release data that shouldn't have been secret. Thousands of documents were released and I can promise you that Manning did not read them all.
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That's a nice ad hominem you have there. I'll one up you with some name-calling: You are an idiot.
Why don't you address his argument next time, instead of just being an asshole?
I am so sorry. I intentionally made the refutation so obvious that anyone with the intelligence above a non-functioning moron would get it. Here, let me spell it out for you. (Note to person reading this to Pseudonym Authority, please read it slower than you did my previous comment as I don't feel this is one of his "good days". Also, I appreciate the work you do with these people.)
See, the original poster was pushing for those of us that drive cars be forced to stop because he feels it's a waste of energy. Unfortunately, he completely missed his own hypocrisy as he is wasting energy by posting on an Internet forum. He should save energy by having his computer turned while he goes outside plants trees or something. So my response is to say to him "YOU FIRST!"
Do you understand it now?
Where do all these electric cars get their power from? It's okay to pollute wherever the power plants are built, just as long as it's not in the city limits, eh?
yes it is! ... same as it is ok to shit in the bathroom but not in the kitchen .. got it now?
Then why are they trying to have coal powered plants shut down, even if they are in the boonies?
Where do all these electric cars get their power from? It's okay to pollute wherever the power plants are built, just as long as it's not in the city limits, eh?
Why do the power plants need to be polluting? This proposal does come from the continent that leads the way on alternative energy sources like wind, solar and nuclear power.
Didn't Merkel in Germany just decide to phase out nuclear power? I don't see wind and solar picking up the slack to meet current demands, much less the increased demands once all cars are electric.
It's easier to replace 2 coal power plants than 100k privately owned cars.
Replace them with what? Solar and wind don't cut it now. They certainly won't stand a chance once all of our cars are added to the grid. That leaves unicorn farts and pixie dust, both of which are in extremely short supply.
Clean energy is *NOT* a free market issue, or even a regulated market issue. It is one of the greatest issues of our time, and it requires complete social support--as we defend our homelands from intruders--as we protect our liberty and freedom--we ought protect our lifesupport, our environmet.
There is a point where waiting for people to do the right thing on their own is not safe or wise.
So says the guy using an coal powered machine to make the rest of us feel guilty about the car we drive.
1- You can't ship hydrogen cheaply or efficiently.
Yes you can! You can fill giant bags with it, strap some propellers on the side and it will fly itself. Probably safe enough to include passengers who want to go along for the ride. We can call the gas ships or something similar.
Seriously, though. Blimps had little trouble hanging on to their hydrogen as long as they were not flying infernos. I'm not recommending bringing back hydrogen blimps as a method of transportation, but they should make for a safe, unmanned self delivery mechanism. Even if they do blow up, the dangerous stuff tends blows upward.
If you have solar panels capture the energy, they simply suck the energy up, store it, and when it returns as heat in the friction of the objects it moves, the lights it powers, etc. Without the solar panels, the light would just be heat. So it is free.
OK. But what if I use it to run my air conditioner or refrigerator??
(Yes, I know. Don't call me a dumbass or someone will "Whoosh!" you)
Sunlight "falls" from the sky every day... and so does clean water, free as can be, and fairly safe to transport.. We don't need no desalination plants,
The water that falls from the sky is not necessarily "clean". Sure, it's better than sea water or Mississippi River red clay water, but it's not "industrial grade" clean. See all those little marks on your car after it rains? That's all the stuff that is left after water evaporated. Now imagine how gunked up these things will get with that much left over stuff from every drop of water it processes.
BTW, those "Spot Free" car washes use filtered water during the rinse phase so that nothing is left after the water dries.
Hate to break it to you, but the "Retardicans" are not in control any more.
Um they're in control of the branch of government that is in charge of the tax code and education and science funding and damn you're an idiot.
We're talking about 2010 taxes. Who was in charge of "the branch of government that is in charge of the tax code" then?
Now, who's the idiot?
"I can make a firm pledge under my plan,...
You just don't know how to recognise weasel words when you hear them. No president has ever been able to dictate the full terms of any budget plan, not even close. At best he leans on prominent committee members to get some high profile stuff the way he wants it. Then it's either compromise and get something passed or fight it out with a veto. Obama seems to be big on compromising.
To be fair, he repeated the pledge at the State of Union one year without the "under my plan" bit. However, just like this time, he stated that people making under $250,000/yr would not pay "one dime more" in taxes. He kept that promise as no one is paying only one dime more. I'm paying thousands more in one way or another, that's tens of thousands of dimes, not just one.
So yeah, he didn't really lie.
That's why I always blame future presidents.
And our current economic crisis, not to mention the loss of the SSC, are clearly the fault of President Bieber!
What will President Schwarzenegger be blamed for?
Who said about having to buy a new car? There are used cars, there are hybrids, there are efficient compact cars, there is selling your car.... There are many different ways of dealing with this issue.
I grow my own food. See, that's how I'm green. I vermicompost all my veggie waste and recycle that into my garden to feed my family. My trash bin is nearly empty every week as I try my best to eliminate my footprint from the planet. Nearly everything I use is recycled around the house. Soda bottles, plastic bags, yogurt cups, egg cartons, newspapers and damn near everything else around here gets reused. I don't buy produce that uses fossil fuels to transport it to my local store nor do I support corporate farms that spray poison over the sterile franken-food that they force from the ground using chemicals cocktails.
Unfortunately, in order to live my life that way, I have to make some trade-offs. For example, I need a truck. There is no way I can pick up all the craigslist leaves and freecycle materials that I need to live this way. So, if you can tell me where I can buy a fully electric truck that will transport me and my composting materials at least 100 miles without a recharge, I'd certainly appreciate it. If you can't, the STFU as you have no idea as to what the fuck you are talking about.
Somehow though, you don't strike me as deluded. Merely as blinded by team colors.
Are you fucking kidding me? You seriously believe that adding a new tax on top of the taxes I'm paying is not a tax increase? Seriously? And you accuse me of being "blinded by team colors"?
Hey dumbass, unless Obama veto's this bill if and when it comes up, he lied to you and here you are making excuses for him, actually making yourself believe that this is not a tax increase. You are actually capable of tossing out all rational and logical thought and believing that this would not be a tax increase, even though everyone will be paying more in taxes. And yes, EVERYONE that drives a car or mows a yard or does anything at all that involves a vehicle of any kind, including buying produce at the local grocer, will either pay higher taxes or end up paying more FOR higher taxes, especially if you drive an electric car. See, if you drive a fully electric car, you don't pay gas taxes right now. If this bill passes, you'll be paying MORE taxes than you would have been before Obama signs it. See, paying more in taxes is a tax increase, regardless of the party that passes the law.
Sorry, I don't applaud when the government forces me to change the way I live my life. If you do, your a fucking lamb. You are the very definition of useful idiot. Not only do you cheer when the rights of others are taken away, but you cheer as they are being stripped from yourself because you feel like it's your team that is doing the oppression. You are the kinda guy that would gladly see your life ruined as long as you knew that someone you viewed as the opposition had their life ruined as well.
Everyone will have to pay for this... EVERYONE. Rich, poor, middle class... everyone. And even if you were forced to walk everywhere and that single mom of two becomes homeless because she couldn't afford to drive to work, you would be happy as long as you saw the guy who was driving a hummer yesterday riding around in a hybrid Lexus today, just because you would feel like you were the one who forced him to change his lifestyle.
Somehow though, you don't strike me as deluded.
I'm sorry that I can't say the same about you.
Compare to the sheer amount of handouts the Retardicans have handed to their robber baron oil buddies.
Then wonder why the American scientific and education communities keep getting hosed by the Retardicans, party of tax breaks for billionaires paid for by pay cuts to the poor and middle class.
Evidently you missed the story today about how GE made $5 billion in profits, and not only paid nothing in US taxes, but actually received a tax rebate of $3.2 billion.
Hate to break it to you, but the "Retardicans" are not in control any more. Who are you going to blame for this?
"I can make a firm pledge under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
A new tax is not a tax increase.
So when Bush Sr. said, "Read my lips, NO NEW TAXES" and taxes were raised, was he still telling the truth? There were no NEW taxes. The old ones were just higher. It still cost him the election I saw the his "Read my lips..." clip on the news more times in '92 than I did in '88, and I was in friggin Kuwait in '92!
You missed the part where this is in response to a decrease in the amount of tax revenue collected from the gas tax - i.e., a decrease in the effective gas tax. But that would get in the way of a good ol'fashioned Anti-Obama rant.
I make well under $250,000/yr and I can't afford a new electric car. That means I'll be paying the same amount of tax I was paying last year for gas, PLUS whatever extra I'll have to pay per mile if this should happen to get passed. Nowhere in Obama's "firm pledge" did he mention anything conditions other than the annual income my family makes, and that has remained well under the $250,000 cap that Obama "pledged". Yet, for some reason, the amount of money I spend towards taxes will increase. That's a form of tax increase he pledged I would not see.
I don't mean to rail on Obama, but as he said himself, "Words have meaning." A "firm pledge" is a promise and I don't like it when someone breaks their promises to me, especially when they just said it to get elected. I guess since the media won't call him out on it, I have to do what I can. I'm already paying more in cigarette taxes, so I guess I shouldn't be upset since the "firm pledge" was broken within 60 days of him taking office.
Surely part of the problem with the Constitution as it stands is that it was written in the 1790s, when they didn't pave roads etc. The Founding Fathers had some great ideas, but perhaps now is the time to start looking at a new constitution - one that incorporates freedom of speech at the outset, rather than being bolted on the side like it was an afterthought.
There's no need. What needs to happen is for the government and courts to treat the 10'th Amendment with save vigor that they treat the first.
Isn't this already covered by the gas tax, which is inherently incurred on a "per mile" (gallon, really) basis?
Anything that can be taxed, will. Those things which can not be taxed will be fined.
None of that matters. This tax will only apply to those making over $250,000/yr.
"I can make a firm pledge under my plan, no family making less than $250,000 a year will see any form of tax increase. Not your income tax, not your payroll tax, not your capital gains taxes, not any of your taxes."
--Barrack Obama
I remember reading a quote here once, but don't know who said so I can't give credit.
There is an easy way to tell if there are ghosts in your house. There isn't.
I usually hear the term "Holy Spirit". Also, the Holy Spirit is not the disembodied soul of a previously living human, as many believe ghosts to be.
So, no. It's not a "ghost".
Slashdo is running low on le++ers shaped like +.
FTFY
My best example is how much Al quada loves the US after the US went into their country and armed Al quada.
The US armed the Mujaheddin that grew into the Western Alliance, not Al Qaeda. The Western Alliance was the non-bat-shit crazy group of terrorists half that was fighting for control of Afghanistan for 30 or so years. The other half was the Taliban. Guess which side we abandoned after the Soviets left Afghanistan? Guess which side we jumped in and started helping after 9-11.
Oh, and the Western Alliance has loved America since we provided them Stinger missiles to counter the Soviet Hind-D. This was well known by Al Qaeda and the Taliban as well. They assassinated the leader of the Western Alliance with a car bomb within days of 9-11. Many believe the two operations were closely related.
Gadhafi already called for a ceasefire Friday before the deadline, to talk things about with the rebels.
This isn't a peace talk. This is the West imposing their will on the Middle East again.
First Gaddafi broke his own "cease fire".
As for who is imposing their will, it appears that Gaddafi imposing his will on the African country he has ruled for 41 years. Strange that you would support a dictator. I guess you may have a case if the dictator had stayed in power by winning free and open elections for over 40 years, but that's not even the case here. It's not like the population is laying flowers down at his feet. There is an open rebellion going on over there.
So, again, it doesn't seem like it's the west imposing their will. It looks to me like the west is trying to remove the people out from under the oppressive rule of a dictator.
Go ahead and tell me where I'm wrong here.
If you convict Manning -- then please, let us all know, WHY THE FUCK we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq?
I can do that now.
We invaded Afghanistan because they were harboring Osama Bin Laden, the guy that was/is in charge of the group that pulled off 9-11.
We invaded Iraq for several reasons. They violated 19 UN resolutions, each with use of military force as a potential result of violation. They tried to kill US service men and women enforcing those UN resolutions. They tried to kill a former US president. They committed several crimes against humanity.... And there are many more but there is no point in bringing them up because you've heard them all before and rejected them because they contradict what you already believed and you are incapable of changing your mind. See, if you change your opinion, you feel that it is an admission that you were wrong, and since you are obviously never wrong, the facts must be wrong. Everyone else, however, must keep an open mind and anyone who does not come around to your way of thinking is closed minded, and therefor a bigot.
Manning is a fucking traitor, nothing less. What else do you call someone who steals secret documents and gives to someone who is not supposed to have them?
And don't give me that bullshit about how he wanted to release data that shouldn't have been secret. Thousands of documents were released and I can promise you that Manning did not read them all.
"You do it over rule of law, rules of evidence, and principles..."
This is America. We exist only for the Citizens who are Corporations.
Everyone else is a serf.
If you don't like it, you shouldn't have elected a right-of-center President like Obama.
Obama is only "right of center" if you are left of Marx!