That's how I would interpret it as, Red Hat's (distribution of) Linux or Slackware's (distribution of) Linux. Though, I'm usually lazy and would just say Red Hat or Slackware, but laziness is different than misinterpretation.
People rip on Gentoo because there is a large portion of the users who use Gentoo who don't want to read anything before they ask the same question that's been answered twenty times before or is even in the documentation. (When I say large, I'd guess almost a fourth, which is still a large portion of the user base.) I just have to say I have Gentoo on my computer as well as Slackware. It's been over a month since I booted to Gentoo just because I use Slackware most of the time. I just use Gentoo to play with.
I don't feel like making this extremely lengthy and giving lots of examples and the full works. I could make fun of just about every distribution by using stereo types about each. Gentoo just happens to have the stereotype that there are some not so desirable users that are very vocal.
Ooops, I missed that when I quickly looked over the disc. Extras is on disc two also. Anyways though, if both have to be put on disc two, they'd have to cut other stuff from disc one anyways. And they'd still have to ship the gnome libs to keep compatibility with other programs. That's just what I think.
1. Again, if you downloaded or purchased the ISO, there's nothing to compile. What is the point of compiling it, again? It seems like a fantastic waste of time. They're not going to put out a new ISO for each time KDE or GNOME updates something. They'll just include it in the next release. If you're talking about download the packages for say KDE, you still have to wait till they have the package ready for you. If you don't mind waiting around then it's not a big deal. With smaller packages like GAIM, I would never use a package manager because they update every three weeks. So it makes sense to build it from the source instead of waiting for someone to do it for you.
2. If you're already running an Athlon XP 2500+, Jesus Christmas, you're not going to notice anything slower about KDE than anything else. Hell, you probably aren't going to notice anything slower about ANYTHING than anything else. At some point, the whole "speed" issue just goes away. I could understand if you were running some antiquated piece of junk, but you're not.
You forget about startup time, even having KDE prelinked it takes 5+ seconds to load, not that that's bad by any means, but Window Maker is up almost instantly.
As far as your productivity argument, what would ever make one windowing environment more productive than another? They're all the same as far as that goes; they run applications, and you use the actual applications to do your work. There's no productivity issue there at all. In fact, I think I could make the case that you'd be better off with KDE, because you'd have access to KOffice and be able to run nice IDEs like Eclipse and Netbeans. I don't know if you're a developer, but even if you're just doing sysadmin stuff, using Windowmaker doesn't buy you anything. Hell, if you're a sysadmin, you only need a command line. This argument doesn't seem to make sense. My argument for being more productive on Window Maker is based around having multiple desktops and having hot keys to access each one (Alright, bad argument I admit, because that can be done in just about every other DE/WM so I'll have to say specific features.) The docker is what I enjoy most. For each desktop it has a different set of quick launch icons. So I have it split up and have all my most used icons related to Internet on one desktop, I have several IDE's and HTML editors on another desktop, word processors and a pdf viewer on another, etc. It makes switching back and forth for specific purposes quick and easy. You said that I won't have access to nice IDE's, I'm not sure what you mean or why I couldn't. Window Maker has support for both GNOME and KDE so if they're on the system they can be used. Oh yeah, you can have say gnomelibs and kdelibs (and other libraries needed for running and using both programs) without having the actual environment. Oh yeah, I guess I'll just mention I use Window Maker for a general purpose (nothing professional, just for my own.)
3. I withdraw my assumption about your desire for geekly approval. My apologies. However, I have noticed a large number of people, especially on Slashdot, who seem to relish bragging annoyingly about how they're running some weird, obscure system on ancient hardware, as if that makes them some kind of supergeek. Thanks, I know the type you're referring to though. Common mistake I guess;-)
This isn't a flame either; I'm enjoying the conversation.:) As am I.
1. Why would anyone bother compiling KDE? I use Slackware, I don't have to compile anything. Are you doing this as some sort of bizarre hobbyist exercise, or a feeble attempt at alpha geek status? Weird. Well, unless you want to wait for someone else to compile it then you have to do it yourself.
3. I think that people like you, who use obscure window managers and strange environments do so primarily because you think it gives you some sort of special ubergeek cachet. Perhaps some of you can't afford anything better than a 133Mhz machine, although one would think you could afford the two or three hundred bucks it would cost to get a real machine (e.g. at least 400Mhz and 128MB of Ram). Whatever. First point, I use Window Maker because I've very productive in it in ways I find it hard to be in Gnome or KDE. Second, I did update recently to an Athlon XP 2500+, 1 Gb of ram, and 160 Mb HD. I didn't get that until just last year. Like I said earlier, when you're on something like a 133mhz machine you learn what's fast. It just happens to carry over to now and it works well for me.
4. Here's a personal message from me to you: other people's opinions of you don't matter, and if you spend all your time trying to overcome bizarre technical obstacles (like obsolete tools) to impress them, you'll never develop as a technologist. It's far better to get the best tools you can afford, and let your abilities bloom, than to go far out of your way to limit yourself in the hopes that someone will notice your struggle and be suitably impressed. I don't know where you get this idea that I give a damn what anyone else thinks about my status as a geek (hell I'll deny it and say there are millions of people smarter than me any day of the week.) So, if you would, don't assume about me. I have no assumptions about you. Even if I did I'd most likely bit my tongue and let you be.
You probably noticed I skipped two. I'm not going to argue that, but I don't know why you bothered to bring it back up.
BTW, this isn't a flame, simply stating my case;-)
Only they know what's needed to advance their movement.
Um.... Are you serious? if they're not appealing to their clients then their clients will move to something that will. Thus, they should wake up or lose a lot of their user base.
Swaret and slapt-get are similar package management tools for Slackware for those too lazy to compile from the source. Sure it only pulls packages from slackware-current but everything else is usually trivial to install from the source because most packages needed will be installed from the base and updated by swaret or slapt-get
There are only two "Desktops" now? I guess Window Managers are being forgotten. Go ahead, keep using your KDE's and Gnome's. I'll stick with Window Maker because it has what KDE and Gnome will never have. Speed. Even KDE with prelinking can't compare to how fast Window Maker starts up and runs. I learned this a long time ago when all I had was a 133mhz and Slackware with Window Maker was fast even on that. Also, you'll be spending a good few hours compiling KDE while I'll take 10-30 minutes compiling Window Maker
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In a matter of ten years I'd say we'll accomplish this. Oh happy days.
That's how I would interpret it as, Red Hat's (distribution of) Linux or Slackware's (distribution of) Linux. Though, I'm usually lazy and would just say Red Hat or Slackware, but laziness is different than misinterpretation.
My plan is that we just shoot it into the sun. What bad could possibly come from that?
People rip on Gentoo because there is a large portion of the users who use Gentoo who don't want to read anything before they ask the same question that's been answered twenty times before or is even in the documentation. (When I say large, I'd guess almost a fourth, which is still a large portion of the user base.) I just have to say I have Gentoo on my computer as well as Slackware. It's been over a month since I booted to Gentoo just because I use Slackware most of the time. I just use Gentoo to play with.
I don't feel like making this extremely lengthy and giving lots of examples and the full works. I could make fun of just about every distribution by using stereo types about each. Gentoo just happens to have the stereotype that there are some not so desirable users that are very vocal.
Maybe you've just never talked to a Gentoo user before.....
Thank you american taxpayer for supporting our communist OS.
You're welcome.
Don't forget Quake I (if I remember correctly)
those are the fugliest sun glasses i've ever seen!
*Starts slow clap*
Ooops, I missed that when I quickly looked over the disc. Extras is on disc two also. Anyways though, if both have to be put on disc two, they'd have to cut other stuff from disc one anyways. And they'd still have to ship the gnome libs to keep compatibility with other programs. That's just what I think.
but if it came to using windows or getting some before you died, you'd switch ;-)
go figure right?
(A monkey could do it)
Are you calling me a monkey?
I wonder if that bug was inherited from the old netscape codebase. Anyone know?
1. Again, if you downloaded or purchased the ISO, there's nothing to compile. What is the point of compiling it, again? It seems like a fantastic waste of time.
;-)
:)
They're not going to put out a new ISO for each time KDE or GNOME updates something. They'll just include it in the next release. If you're talking about download the packages for say KDE, you still have to wait till they have the package ready for you. If you don't mind waiting around then it's not a big deal. With smaller packages like GAIM, I would never use a package manager because they update every three weeks. So it makes sense to build it from the source instead of waiting for someone to do it for you.
2. If you're already running an Athlon XP 2500+, Jesus Christmas, you're not going to notice anything slower about KDE than anything else. Hell, you probably aren't going to notice anything slower about ANYTHING than anything else. At some point, the whole "speed" issue just goes away. I could understand if you were running some antiquated piece of junk, but you're not.
You forget about startup time, even having KDE prelinked it takes 5+ seconds to load, not that that's bad by any means, but Window Maker is up almost instantly.
As far as your productivity argument, what would ever make one windowing environment more productive than another? They're all the same as far as that goes; they run applications, and you use the actual applications to do your work. There's no productivity issue there at all. In fact, I think I could make the case that you'd be better off with KDE, because you'd have access to KOffice and be able to run nice IDEs like Eclipse and Netbeans. I don't know if you're a developer, but even if you're just doing sysadmin stuff, using Windowmaker doesn't buy you anything. Hell, if you're a sysadmin, you only need a command line. This argument doesn't seem to make sense.
My argument for being more productive on Window Maker is based around having multiple desktops and having hot keys to access each one (Alright, bad argument I admit, because that can be done in just about every other DE/WM so I'll have to say specific features.) The docker is what I enjoy most. For each desktop it has a different set of quick launch icons. So I have it split up and have all my most used icons related to Internet on one desktop, I have several IDE's and HTML editors on another desktop, word processors and a pdf viewer on another, etc. It makes switching back and forth for specific purposes quick and easy. You said that I won't have access to nice IDE's, I'm not sure what you mean or why I couldn't. Window Maker has support for both GNOME and KDE so if they're on the system they can be used. Oh yeah, you can have say gnomelibs and kdelibs (and other libraries needed for running and using both programs) without having the actual environment. Oh yeah, I guess I'll just mention I use Window Maker for a general purpose (nothing professional, just for my own.)
3. I withdraw my assumption about your desire for geekly approval. My apologies. However, I have noticed a large number of people, especially on Slashdot, who seem to relish bragging annoyingly about how they're running some weird, obscure system on ancient hardware, as if that makes them some kind of supergeek.
Thanks, I know the type you're referring to though. Common mistake I guess
This isn't a flame either; I'm enjoying the conversation.
As am I.
1. Why would anyone bother compiling KDE? I use Slackware, I don't have to compile anything. Are you doing this as some sort of bizarre hobbyist exercise, or a feeble attempt at alpha geek status? Weird.
;-)
Well, unless you want to wait for someone else to compile it then you have to do it yourself.
3. I think that people like you, who use obscure window managers and strange environments do so primarily because you think it gives you some sort of special ubergeek cachet. Perhaps some of you can't afford anything better than a 133Mhz machine, although one would think you could afford the two or three hundred bucks it would cost to get a real machine (e.g. at least 400Mhz and 128MB of Ram). Whatever.
First point, I use Window Maker because I've very productive in it in ways I find it hard to be in Gnome or KDE. Second, I did update recently to an Athlon XP 2500+, 1 Gb of ram, and 160 Mb HD. I didn't get that until just last year. Like I said earlier, when you're on something like a 133mhz machine you learn what's fast. It just happens to carry over to now and it works well for me.
4. Here's a personal message from me to you: other people's opinions of you don't matter, and if you spend all your time trying to overcome bizarre technical obstacles (like obsolete tools) to impress them, you'll never develop as a technologist. It's far better to get the best tools you can afford, and let your abilities bloom, than to go far out of your way to limit yourself in the hopes that someone will notice your struggle and be suitably impressed.
I don't know where you get this idea that I give a damn what anyone else thinks about my status as a geek (hell I'll deny it and say there are millions of people smarter than me any day of the week.) So, if you would, don't assume about me. I have no assumptions about you. Even if I did I'd most likely bit my tongue and let you be.
You probably noticed I skipped two. I'm not going to argue that, but I don't know why you bothered to bring it back up.
BTW, this isn't a flame, simply stating my case
Because I guess I don't hear anyone say it ;-)
Only they know what's needed to advance their movement.
Um.... Are you serious? if they're not appealing to their clients then their clients will move to something that will. Thus, they should wake up or lose a lot of their user base.
KDE is fugly
And here I thought I was the only one to say fugly
Magic! You got a Windowmaker feel in a KDE desktop.
Only way slower (if you want to say it's not, try it on a 133)
KDE can be anything you want it to be.
KDE can be fast too (without prelinking).... I didn't think so
Isn't disc two just extras anyways? Basically test kernels and packages that aren't "supported"?
Swaret and slapt-get are similar package management tools for Slackware for those too lazy to compile from the source. Sure it only pulls packages from slackware-current but everything else is usually trivial to install from the source because most packages needed will be installed from the base and updated by swaret or slapt-get
There are only two "Desktops" now? I guess Window Managers are being forgotten. Go ahead, keep using your KDE's and Gnome's. I'll stick with Window Maker because it has what KDE and Gnome will never have. Speed. Even KDE with prelinking can't compare to how fast Window Maker starts up and runs. I learned this a long time ago when all I had was a 133mhz and Slackware with Window Maker was fast even on that. Also, you'll be spending a good few hours compiling KDE while I'll take 10-30 minutes compiling Window Maker
At first I thought, so what, what's the big deal? then I went to the auction and now I have to change my pants....