Parent might be OT but modding it down to oblivion will not change the fact that Lunix still cannot compete with Windows or OSX. And the way it's going right now it probably never will. Every year we see MAJOR advances in Windows and Macs, while Lunix just seems to plod along. Case in point: I needed to install Linux on a machine and decided on Debian, being one of the most popular distros for servers. It took me AGES to find a pre-compiled install package! And installing it was pretty painful.
The Lunix community needs to recognise that there's something wrong and figure out a way to change it quick, otherwise it will be left behind in the dust. A modern OS is more than just performance and security.
Lunix was and probably always will be 3 years away from taking over the desktop market.
1. It seems to work better than all other FREE alternatives. Top of the list if you don't want to spend a dime.
2. Yes, it uninstalls just fine, but because it's so fast I left it on my 2 year old PC next to my AV.
3. I can't think of a reason you'd need support, since it's a very well-written and intuitive application. Your best bet would be to phone any general windows IT support expert if you really can't work out how to use it. If for some reason(??) you need support from MS, it's available like all other support from them, via email / phone. Check your with your local MS for pricing.
What have you got?
This is the same Monsanto that got it's dodgy hormone treatment for cows past the FDA (making cows more productive) even though Canada and other major countries quickly identified that this hormone gets into the milk and can cause cancer in humans as a result.
The research is clear, but it's still used in the US. Got cancer?
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Um just one question: Which God am I supposed to believe in?
Pascal assumes only one God. Well, there are multiple choices out there, and some of them are NOT compatible at all.
E.g. The Reformed Christian God teaches that ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST can you be saved, while the Jewish God explicitely says that anyone worshipping JC is a pagan and will not go to heaven.
South Park quote: (Everyone just died and is gathered at the gates of heaven) Paul: 'Ok everyone, the correct religion was... MORMON!' Large group of people: 'Awwwww!'
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You need to show initiative - market yourself to them!
- Make up a sappy website about how great you are - Use wikis and comment spam to get a good PR - Send out loads of spam to google people linking to your site - Send them faxes and phone them a lot
I firmly believe (and I know the FOSS guys wil crucify me for this) that software as a service WILL grow to become more popular than traditional software in the next few years. Maybe not for home users, but certainly for businesses.
As a business buying software like this is great, because: - No up-front costs - Scale with staff turnover - Never worry about backups, upgrades etc. - Access to data from anywhere with just an internet connection etc
As a software house I like selling software like this because - Predictable recurring income - No piracy possible - Easy to upgrade / fix bugs without sending out upgrade disks - Very easy help-desk etc
Software you can currently get like this includes - Email - Accounting - Marketing - Sales - Stock control and other packages
For users (not the FOSS hippies) the important thing for this type of software is NOT the source, it's the availability of programmatic interface points, so I can extend / link the software. I.e. XML web services and stuff like that. If I use your stock control software I want to know that I can get a cheapo contractor to spend a few hours and write an XML interface to my accounting software. And to my marketing software. Etc. If all the interfaces are there, and I can freely access MY data, I'm not worried.
Worst case scenario I can always suck down all my data and move it to another software solution if you suck.
Im in your boat. But you don't need to worry. Just because all software ends up as FOSS does not mean there's no money to be made.
You make your money being the leader in the market. As long as the market is not mature (level 5 in the model) you can dump a few million into development, sell your closed source software and make a profit while everyone plays catch-up. If there's more money in the market you rinse and repeat, and if not you find a new market.
Closed software makes money in the gap between it and FOSS. There will always be more markets where the gap is big enough to make some profits. So I'm not worried. Just don't think that your one flagship product will always be the de-facto standard regardless of price / age.
You seem to think developing FOSS is somehow free (as in beer). That's only true if the developer's time costs no money.
Sure it's free if the developer is a hobbyist, but remember hobbyist developers can just as easily develop closed software.
So your whole argument breaks down. Abandoned projects on SourceForge costs millions in lost time. My time is pretty valuable. If yours is not I have a job for you. You can do it in your free time!
The article basically states that in software markets where there is still money to be made (all the 'happening' areas) closed software will always be ahead of the curve because companies can pour millions of dollars into them where FOSS guys can't. They can do this because they know that when they finish ahead of everyone else they'll have enough time to recover their investment and make some profit before anyone else (including the FOSS guys) catches up.
Later when the money is gone from the market segment the FOSS guys will catch up and the closed-source guys will find a new market to make money in.
Thus FOSS does not need to be illegal. The proprietry houses will make money and move on. Always.
FOSS cannot innovate in the 'happening' areas of software development at any givem time. The reason for this is because in a profitable arena proprietry houses can push millions into development RIGHT NOW because they know that if they come out with a great solution first, they can make the money back and rake in some profits before everyone else (including FOSS) catches up and commoditizes the market.
The FOSS guys CAN'T push in the millions because someone else can sell their product undercutting them in the market making it impossible to recover the investment.
This FOSS is always plaing catch-up in the 'money' markets. Once all the money has been sucked out of a market FOSS takes over.
So maybe it's not 'Innovation' as such, but the closed source guys will get there first when it matters.
1) This is not a choice. It's just logical. If I spent millions on developing a product, I make my money back, and the market in that segment become commoditized, the only 'right' response a company can take is to let it go. Why spend millions more on development if there's no more money to be made? Sure if it means I'll be able to open up new markets, then yea, I'll do it. But otherwise it's just dumb.
2) Yes, because the FOSS versions lags behind in development. Thus there's nothing to absorb. The reason that FOSS will lag behind in the early stages described in the author's model is because proprietry houses can push millions into development knowing that they can make it back once done while everyone else is playing catch-up. FOSS can't do this because their software can be sold by anyone else for next to nothing, undercutting them in the market.
So until the market is drained, there IS NO "FOSS onslaught". The closed source systems are in the front and FOSS is playing catch-up. Once the market segment becomes commoditized FOSS catches up and development slows down because there's no more money to be made.
It's true that FOSS is not always inferior just because it's FOSS, but closed source projects in 'happening' markets are usually better than the FOSS alternatives because big companies can pump millions of dollars into development very quickly leaving the FOSS guys in the dust. They can do this because if the resulting software is closed, they can be assured of recovering the money spent by selling a product that nobody will be able to duplicate in time.
Think Quark, or Photoshop, or 3DStudioMax.
Oh and BTW all major compilers for Windows is free as in beer.
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Oh my god. I can't remember the last time I actually laughed out loud at a slashdot comment. Thanks!
In Korea only old people were dredged up by the tsunami.
So can I copy an image from Firefox and paste it in Gnome yet?
Can I copy formatted text and paste it in OpenOffice?
Windows 3.1 could do this. Linux is behind, and everyone knows it.
Parent might be OT but modding it down to oblivion will not change the fact that Lunix still cannot compete with Windows or OSX. And the way it's going right now it probably never will. Every year we see MAJOR advances in Windows and Macs, while Lunix just seems to plod along. Case in point: I needed to install Linux on a machine and decided on Debian, being one of the most popular distros for servers. It took me AGES to find a pre-compiled install package! And installing it was pretty painful.
The Lunix community needs to recognise that there's something wrong and figure out a way to change it quick, otherwise it will be left behind in the dust. A modern OS is more than just performance and security.
Lunix was and probably always will be 3 years away from taking over the desktop market.
1. Create new spyware company
2. MS buys you out to shut you down
3. Profit!
4. If you can't afford that Ferrari yet, go back to step 1
-1 troll. Linux is NOT secure.
1. It seems to work better than all other FREE alternatives. Top of the list if you don't want to spend a dime. 2. Yes, it uninstalls just fine, but because it's so fast I left it on my 2 year old PC next to my AV. 3. I can't think of a reason you'd need support, since it's a very well-written and intuitive application. Your best bet would be to phone any general windows IT support expert if you really can't work out how to use it. If for some reason(??) you need support from MS, it's available like all other support from them, via email / phone. Check your with your local MS for pricing. What have you got?
This is the same Monsanto that got it's dodgy hormone treatment for cows past the FDA (making cows more productive) even though Canada and other major countries quickly identified that this hormone gets into the milk and can cause cancer in humans as a result.
The research is clear, but it's still used in the US. Got cancer?
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Tip: Spread the mixture in a thin film over a table (the 'hash table') to help evaporate faster.
Around the same time hell freezes over, I think.
BwahahahAHAHAHAHAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!111!! on their own merits... HAHAHAHmmm... that's funny
For a big L or something befitting the IQ of this guy. Come on guys - let's make it happen!
Um just one question: Which God am I supposed to believe in?
Pascal assumes only one God. Well, there are multiple choices out there, and some of them are NOT compatible at all.
E.g. The Reformed Christian God teaches that ONLY THROUGH JESUS CHRIST can you be saved, while the Jewish God explicitely says that anyone worshipping JC is a pagan and will not go to heaven.
South Park quote:
(Everyone just died and is gathered at the gates of heaven)
Paul: 'Ok everyone, the correct religion was... MORMON!'
Large group of people: 'Awwwww!'
HAHA! (In a Nelson voice)
You need to show initiative - market yourself to them!
- Make up a sappy website about how great you are
- Use wikis and comment spam to get a good PR
- Send out loads of spam to google people linking to your site
- Send them faxes and phone them a lot
Rule #5: Only 2 OSS hippies to a fight.
I just noticed the second half of your question.
I firmly believe (and I know the FOSS guys wil crucify me for this) that software as a service WILL grow to become more popular than traditional software in the next few years. Maybe not for home users, but certainly for businesses.
As a business buying software like this is great, because:
- No up-front costs
- Scale with staff turnover
- Never worry about backups, upgrades etc.
- Access to data from anywhere with just an internet connection
etc
As a software house I like selling software like this because
- Predictable recurring income
- No piracy possible
- Easy to upgrade / fix bugs without sending out upgrade disks
- Very easy help-desk
etc
Software you can currently get like this includes
- Email
- Accounting
- Marketing
- Sales
- Stock control
and other packages
For users (not the FOSS hippies) the important thing for this type of software is NOT the source, it's the availability of programmatic interface points, so I can extend / link the software. I.e. XML web services and stuff like that. If I use your stock control software I want to know that I can get a cheapo contractor to spend a few hours and write an XML interface to my accounting software. And to my marketing software. Etc. If all the interfaces are there, and I can freely access MY data, I'm not worried.
Worst case scenario I can always suck down all my data and move it to another software solution if you suck.
I'm optimistic.
Im in your boat. But you don't need to worry. Just because all software ends up as FOSS does not mean there's no money to be made.
You make your money being the leader in the market. As long as the market is not mature (level 5 in the model) you can dump a few million into development, sell your closed source software and make a profit while everyone plays catch-up. If there's more money in the market you rinse and repeat, and if not you find a new market.
Closed software makes money in the gap between it and FOSS. There will always be more markets where the gap is big enough to make some profits. So I'm not worried. Just don't think that your one flagship product will always be the de-facto standard regardless of price / age.
You seem to think developing FOSS is somehow free (as in beer). That's only true if the developer's time costs no money.
Sure it's free if the developer is a hobbyist, but remember hobbyist developers can just as easily develop closed software.
So your whole argument breaks down. Abandoned projects on SourceForge costs millions in lost time. My time is pretty valuable. If yours is not I have a job for you. You can do it in your free time!
The article basically states that in software markets where there is still money to be made (all the 'happening' areas) closed software will always be ahead of the curve because companies can pour millions of dollars into them where FOSS guys can't. They can do this because they know that when they finish ahead of everyone else they'll have enough time to recover their investment and make some profit before anyone else (including the FOSS guys) catches up.
Later when the money is gone from the market segment the FOSS guys will catch up and the closed-source guys will find a new market to make money in.
Thus FOSS does not need to be illegal. The proprietry houses will make money and move on. Always.
P2P is in the 5th step of his model. I.e. there's no more money to be made in P2P so closed source houses do not really care about it anymore.
P2P is still very young (technically) but it's mature from a business, can-we-make-money-from-this perspective.
FOSS cannot innovate in the 'happening' areas of software development at any givem time. The reason for this is because in a profitable arena proprietry houses can push millions into development RIGHT NOW because they know that if they come out with a great solution first, they can make the money back and rake in some profits before everyone else (including FOSS) catches up and commoditizes the market.
The FOSS guys CAN'T push in the millions because someone else can sell their product undercutting them in the market making it impossible to recover the investment.
This FOSS is always plaing catch-up in the 'money' markets. Once all the money has been sucked out of a market FOSS takes over.
So maybe it's not 'Innovation' as such, but the closed source guys will get there first when it matters.
1) This is not a choice. It's just logical. If I spent millions on developing a product, I make my money back, and the market in that segment become commoditized, the only 'right' response a company can take is to let it go. Why spend millions more on development if there's no more money to be made? Sure if it means I'll be able to open up new markets, then yea, I'll do it. But otherwise it's just dumb.
2) Yes, because the FOSS versions lags behind in development. Thus there's nothing to absorb. The reason that FOSS will lag behind in the early stages described in the author's model is because proprietry houses can push millions into development knowing that they can make it back once done while everyone else is playing catch-up. FOSS can't do this because their software can be sold by anyone else for next to nothing, undercutting them in the market.
So until the market is drained, there IS NO "FOSS onslaught". The closed source systems are in the front and FOSS is playing catch-up. Once the market segment becomes commoditized FOSS catches up and development slows down because there's no more money to be made.
It's true that FOSS is not always inferior just because it's FOSS, but closed source projects in 'happening' markets are usually better than the FOSS alternatives because big companies can pump millions of dollars into development very quickly leaving the FOSS guys in the dust. They can do this because if the resulting software is closed, they can be assured of recovering the money spent by selling a product that nobody will be able to duplicate in time.
Think Quark, or Photoshop, or 3DStudioMax.
Oh and BTW all major compilers for Windows is free as in beer.
But someone could take the source and undercut him in the market making all his effort for nothing.