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Two Reviews of Microsoft AntiSpyware

jasondubya writes "PC Magazine released their review of Microsoft's Anti-Spyware Beta 1. While they agree with most that it has great potential, it has yet to take over their top spot. In an informal test, it removed about two-thirds of the spyware detected and blocked about fifty percent of the threats they attempted to install. After removal, they ran Webroot's Spy Sweeper 3.0. It was able to detect '900 traces of 48 distinct threats still present, including two keyloggers and three Trojans.' With that, it looks like Microsoft still has work to do before they are on top of the market." Several other readers sent in link to Mossberg's review in the WSJ.

203 comments

  1. Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the reviews were more favorable, I bet they wouldn't see the light of day at Slashdot.

    1. Re:Heh by NetNifty · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, like this story here that doesn't exist, for instance... oh wait.

    2. Re:Heh by jasondubya · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would have to say that the review was quite favorable. If anything, it put them one away from the top and pointed out that the program is still in Beta. With that in mind, the review was very favorable.

  2. I've used it by ikkibr · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've used it and ...
    I liked it! It scanned like 500 spywares in my computer, all of them due to Internet Explorer Bugs(hey, i've used it only for 2 days since I formated my computer). The software is fast, gives information about the spywares and asks you what you wanna do. If I had to rate it I would give 9/10.

    1. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      2 days and 500 pieces of spyware already? One must wonder exactly what kind of sites you're browsing to get that kind of infestation.

    2. Re:I've used it by gordgekko · · Score: 1

      Exactly what web sites are you going to where you would end up with 500 pieces of spyware on your computer in just two days? I've serviced people's machines who have unprotected PCs (no firewall, no anti-spyware software, no virus scanner) and most of them were reasonably clean.

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      You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
    3. Re:I've used it by k7lim · · Score: 1

      here are links to some objective tests which seem to indicate that Giant (now MS) is pretty good. While Giant caught most of the bugs, 111/138, Spy Sweeper seemed to only get 74/138. Can't really use WebRoot as a benchmark now can we? Can't jump to judge Giant as inferior just because it doesn't get everything WebRoot finds.

    4. Re:I've used it by k7lim · · Score: 1
    5. Re:I've used it by krakelohm · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yea but we are talking about Windows PC's here, there is no way you have reasonably clean Windows boxes without firewalls or antivirus protection.

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    6. Re: I've used it by upski · · Score: 1

      I've used it too! And Webroot, and Yahoo Anti-spy tool bar and Ad-ware and Spybot S & D and hijackthis. None of them do the hard ones but Ad-ware, spybot s & d, yahoo anti-spyware tool bar and hijack this (used together) are still my choice. Both MS Anti-spyware and Webroot still leave lots of those cool trojans.

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    7. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      agreed. just for kicks, i downloaded this to see if it could find anything. zilch, and probably no real maintenence to this pc in the last 8 months.

      even with regular daily usage, a simple combination of firefox, firewall, and antivirus keeps one free.

    8. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i think this was meant more as a joke than anything. even surfing my gay linux users porn site i dont get this much spyware in 2 days. get your head out of your ass.

    9. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see users that look at coupon sites+baby sites or java using+porn surfing both types get 500-1000 in a week. I use several removals. adwr,spyhtr,spybt where
      adwr fails-spyhtr,escan beta demo (5mb), spyswpr is nice but not 100%, trdmcro too....heh heh heh

    10. Re: I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't forget spy hunter, gets some more than the rest kmentioned

    11. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes but I still get lots. no pattern but can jump higher. I use a combo. I have used many in alternate combination. All can miss some so using several is key.I use ad-aware, spy sweeper, escan (mwav), norton av only, trend micro web, spy hunter(old definitions significantly larger than recent, heh heh), spywareblaster prevents, spywareguard prevents...what say u? tell me if you try please! (most free...others worth it)

    12. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use spy bot only if ad-aware locks up because of too many finds (if using the before mentioned combo you must exclude spy hunter from removal by swpy bot...not right by my findings)

    13. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      baby sites by office girls get that much or porn+java enabled day traders does it

    14. Re:I've used it by gordgekko · · Score: 1

      Dude, if I'm lying, I'm dying. These are people who had Win 98 and Win XP boxes and they were mostly clean.

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    15. Re: I've used it by upski · · Score: 1

      Interesting that you should mention such a poor performer from a company with a reputation for deceptive advertising.

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    16. Re:I've used it by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Windows 98 is secure by obsolescence. My parents' machine still runs it and they found have found very little spyware when they ran Ad-Aware and HijackThis!.

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    17. Re: I've used it by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Tell me about it. I can't find the button for oil slick!

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      It would be cool if it didn't suck.
    18. Re:I've used it by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Windows 98 is secure by obsolescence

      But, wait ! We keep getting told that a platform's popularity has nothing at all to do with it being targeted, so how can that be ?

    19. Re:I've used it by Taladar · · Score: 1

      You got it that one wrong.

      In discussions Linux/Mac vs. Windows you get told often "The number of critical security holes to exploit has nothing to do with popularity" not "The percentage of security holes exploited has nothing to do with popularity" like you said here.

    20. Re:I've used it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smbdy stl yr vwls

    21. Re:I've used it by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      All angry replies about IIS vs. Apache market share please place below this post.

      But really, Windows 98 is not enough of a target for spyware/virus writers to ensure their junk works outside of 2000/XP.

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    22. Re:I've used it by gordgekko · · Score: 1

      That *might* explain a 98 box but it doesn't an XP box that often doesn't even have SP1 on it, much less any protection. In fact, I'm working on someone's XP box tomorrow that has no updates and only minimal protection. I'm interested to see how bad the problem will (or won't) be.

      I guess some people have a horseshoe jammed up somewhere.

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      You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
    23. Re:I've used it by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      And likewise, I'm about to travel across the world to see my parents and get to see how their 98 machine is holding up. Mwuhahahahaha!

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    24. Re:I've used it by gordgekko · · Score: 1

      Ha ha, good luck!

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      You want to know who isn't running Firefox 2.x? They spell it "definately" and "rediculous".
    25. Re:I've used it by shokk · · Score: 1

      Funny how as Giant software it received top honors in recent spyscanner shootoffs, but now labeled as Microsoft it just can't get a top spot. I would be interested in seeing how the old Giant freeware compares to the new Microsoft Antispyware to see if people are just being blinded by their Microsoft bias in both directions.

      One reader pointed out that the older article meant the software was tops, but in truth Spybot and Ad-aware, while they are great together for spyware removal, are not sufficient on their own and just not enterprise-ready. Webroot Spysweeper however, has a version of their software that serves the corporate market and is the right tool to compare against Microsoft's which is bound to get woven into Active Directory for centralized management. Webroot is being heavily marketed compared to Spybot and Ad-aware, so I no longer have faith that they will be the top scanners in a year's time. I've seen Webroot everywhere from a Dell configuration page to a WalMart shelf.

      Another tool I would like to see it compared against is Sunbelt Counterspy because it was licensed from Giant and is still functionally identical in the GUI to what I'm seeing in the new Microsoft Antispyware. A test like this against identically infected systems would give an indication of whether Microsoft had altered the internal workings of the scan engine. If I recall, Counterspy did scan for tracking cookies, so it is possible that we are witnessing Microsoft's disassembly and reassembly of the product to better fit into the OS. Keep in mind that Microsoft Antispyware is still in beta, so any comparisons should be taken with a grain of salt until we have true apples to apples for comparison.

      HOWEVER, if this product is made available to plug holes in their operating system, why is it that the information known about these holes (known holes!!!) cannot be used to either fix them permanently, or apply patches to the OS that effectively provide the same monitor agent functionality? I would also prefer that in the case of browser hijackings the browser just gets reset to "about: blank". Frankly, on alternate browser hijackings, I would prefer Microsoft to police their own turf and leave other products to manage their own security issues. While I love Mozilla products, I recognize that the Mozilla folks tend to live off the "we have no bugs" marketing, so if they have a problem with their browser getting homepage hijacked, they should fix the issue and not rely on Microsoft.

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      "Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart, he dreams himself your master."
  3. article quoted incorrectly by Triumph+The+Insult+C · · Score: 5, Funny

    need to make a correction there at the end ...

    With that, it looks like Microsoft still has a few more companies to buy before they are the market."

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    1. Re:article quoted incorrectly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " need to make a correction there at the end ...

      With that, it looks like Microsoft still has a few more companies to buy before they are the market."

      I suggest Compu-Global-Hyper-Mega-Net.

    2. Re:article quoted incorrectly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I found the software to be easy to install and use. There's a nice review of it here.

      Of course, I'm not as stupid as that woman in the video (read the review) so my machine isn't as infected.

  4. My experiences in brief... by ZiZ · · Score: 5, Informative

    MS AntiSpyware is /extremely/ fast - faster than anything else I've tried - but didn't catch any advertisement cookies in Mozilla Firefox and only caught a very small number of them from IE. It also complains loudly about a number of things I use on a regular basis - FTP server, VNC, even a copy of SoftICE (which, yes, I use legitimately to debug device drivers). Could be good with some work, though.

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    1. Re:My experiences in brief... by papadiablo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It also complains loudly about a number of things I use on a regular basis - FTP server, VNC, even a copy of SoftICE (which, yes, I use legitimately to debug device drivers).

      Yes, but you can tell it to ignore them every time, meaning it won't bug you about them.

      I agree it's extremely fast. It is also free and in beta mode so I wouldn't expect it to be as good as commercially released subscription based software. It would be nice if it continues to be free and I expect it to only get better over time.

    2. Re:My experiences in brief... by ad0gg · · Score: 2, Informative

      IE doesn't allow 3rd party cookies by default. So you don't have to worry about being tracked from site to site by banner ads. Though this don't apply for popup ads. To stop tracking cookies in firefox just disable 3rd party cookies.

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    3. Re:My experiences in brief... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Cookie Detection and Removal.

      GIANT AntiSpyware detects and removes cookies from your computer. Because many Web sites require the use of cookies to enable a great user experience, Windows AntiSpyware (Beta) does not remove cookies.

      From: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/s oftware/currentcustomers.mspx

    4. Re:My experiences in brief... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's not /supposed/ to bother you with ad cookies. These aren't really 'spyware'; listing every cookie is just a cheap way to inflate the number of things caught, making the anti-spyware software seem more valuable than it really is.

      OMFG, that SuperSpywareRemover found 781 peices of spyware on my computer! Wow, the net's so dangerous, I need to pay for SuperSpywareRemover and run it every day! OMFGoneoneone!

    5. Re:My experiences in brief... by RonnyJ · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It also complains loudly about a number of things I use on a regular basis - FTP server, VNC

      It *should* pick up on these two - if you're advanced enough to have a use for them on your system, you're quite capable of telling the program to always ignore them.

      If, on the other hand, a typical home user finds a FTP server or VNC on their system, who has no idea what it is, or why it's there, it's likely it's not been put on there for their use.

    6. Re:My experiences in brief... by JimDabell · · Score: 2, Informative

      IE doesn't allow 3rd party cookies by default. So you don't have to worry about being tracked from site to site by banner ads.

      Actually, Internet Explorer allows third-party cookies, just as long as there's a P3P policy to go along with it.

    7. Re:My experiences in brief... by Harker · · Score: 3, Informative

      I ran it with similar results. RealVNC was detected, but the default was to ignore it, so at least it realizes that this app could be legitimate.

      It also searches based on text strings, such as file and folder names. I have two bookmarks for crack sites in my IE bookmarks. The scanner reported the folder name, as well as one of the two sites listed as high warnings, recommending removal.

      It is very fast, and I noticed no slowdown of my machine when it ran the other night, regardless of being online playing world of warcraft at the time.

      I do have to question the applications trying to reach the internet while doing nothing else thoguh. My Sygate firewall reported it trying to access the internet several times. There is no option for scheduling updates or even to stop it from doing so, or to schedule it for a set time.

      All in all, it's become a good addition to my spyware arsinal. I will even reccomend it to clients, if they wish some sort of real-time protection.

      I have not yet tried installing any spyware infested applications to see how it handles them. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it will detect and prevent (or at least offer to prevent) such installations.

      Eric the Grey

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      When VCR's are outlawed, only outlaws will have VCR's.
    8. Re:My experiences in brief... by adiposity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Complains loudly? VNC is considered a "low" (2/5 I think) threat and the default action is to "ignore" it. I'd hardly call that complaining loudly.

      I have yet to have it suggest I remove something I actually wanted.

      -Dan

    9. Re:My experiences in brief... by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it shouldn't. First off VNC and FTP are not spyware. Period.

      Secondly, look outside your slashdot bubble and you'll see people who share computers. Not everyone has three or four boxes laying about. One person (or the admin) may put a VNC server on there and then another person may remove it because they trust the MS app and don't know any better.

      Stick to spyware. Seriously. On one machine I tested it, it couldnt remove a common spyware browser helper object. MS cant remove stuff from their own browser? Yep.

    10. Re:My experiences in brief... by RonnyJ · · Score: 1, Interesting
      No, it shouldn't. First off VNC and FTP are not spyware. Period.

      Can VNC or an FTP server be used to spy on a computer? Yes, of course they can.

      In fact, it seems like an effective method of doing it, considering that most scanners wouldn't pick up on them.

    11. Re:My experiences in brief... by JThundley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Does anyone else think that they achieve their amazing speed from secret system calls?

    12. Re:My experiences in brief... by LO0G · · Score: 2, Insightful

      First off, it's only been a MS product for a month - hard to rewrite it in that time.

      Also, that article seems to indicate that the undocumented APIs are somehow "faster" than their documented equivilants, but it doesn't cite any evidence of that...

    13. Re:My experiences in brief... by ImpTech · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Gotta disagree. Case in point, I've got VNC installed on some of my relatives' PCs so I can help them when they have problems. Now, these are willfully computer-ignorant people who forget what they're supposed to click so I can access their computer (the "VNC server" icon I put on their desktop). Chances are if Microsoft's program found the VNC executable and brought up a warning, they'd follow whatever action it said without thinking. And next time they have a problem, we spend hours trying to figure out what happened to VNC.

      Oh, and I'll bet AntiSpyware doesn't even peep if you have XP's remote desktop "feature" enabled...

    14. Re:My experiences in brief... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      IE can be used to spy on a computer too (cookies, installing software, etc). A fileshare could be used. And, assuming you have the right version of Windows, so could Remote Desktop. Are these being flagged too?

      I doubt it. Not because of a nefarious Microsoft plot - but simply because it's NOT spyware. Neither is FTP nor VNC.

      I understand the concept of why one would choose to flag VNC, an FTP daemon, etc. But when it comes down to it, that's a rather agressive and more than likely incorrect interpretation. This isn't a vulnerability scanner. It's an anti-spyware app.

      On a somewhat related note, I still don't understand why "spyware" isn't included within the normal run of malware definitions for common antivirus while "elf bowling" is.

    15. Re:My experiences in brief... by Mycroft_VIII · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually many banner ads are in frames that load from 3rd party sights. You can still get the cookie. Unless some very recent update fixes this (I stopped using IE before SP2 so It's possible) it's still a valid issue.
      Also IE does allow third partie cookies for some other instances. If they have a privacy policy, not if the have a GOOD privacy policy, just if they have one, it could easily be "what privacy, you get no privacy here". That and no personal info is in the cookie. Assuming IE can (correctly) tell what that info is.
      So for joe user, IE doesn't really block third party cookies except on uncommon cases where he gets lucky, or the third party cookie sight is run by idiots. I'm shure sites like doubleclick and such have no problem getting thier cookies on most machines running IE.

      Mycroft

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    16. Re:My experiences in brief... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats because microsofts "Remote Desktop" will log the current user off. Its pretty hard to spy on someone when they arent logged into the computer ...

    17. Re:My experiences in brief... by GooberToo · · Score: 1

      I think he means, anything that complains about a completely legitimate application, is being loud. Simple fact is, it shouldn't be saying anything about it at all.

      Let's keep this in perspective.

  5. Typical.... by SpyHunter99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anything good about this program is attributed to Giant and anything bad is attributed to Microsoft.

    1. Re:Typical.... by TedTschopp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Now what is typical, Microsoft acting this way, or someone on Slashdot basing Microsoft?

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    2. Re:Typical.... by winkydink · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know that they've had it long enough to contribute much good or bad, unless you have something against the way it's branded, I guess. At this point, it's pretty much a rebranded Giant product. It will be interesting to see how it evolves in beta.

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    3. Re:Typical.... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      well. it would be quite easy to compare to the pre-ms buyout version, surely?

      i must say though that had never even heard of giants anti spyware tech before they managed to sell themselfs to ms.

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    4. Re:Typical.... by detlev409 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You may have a valid point someday, but at this point, that's where the credit deserves to go. The truth is, the program known as Microsoft Antispyware is just Giant with a facelift. To see just how superficial the change is, install the program and then check your registry. The program still registers under Giant Software. As of right now, what's under the hood has very little to do with Microsoft.

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    5. Re:Typical.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and Linux is just Unix and the whole OSS community is just one big user's group--nothing new, we've had user's groups since the very early days of computers... next story please

    6. Re:Typical.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Grow up.

  6. My experience by yfmaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've tried it and it found some stuff that ad aware didn't even pick up. It also correctly identified tight vnc as a possible spyware app, but labeled it as low priority. I was more then happy with it.

    1. Re:My experience by FuturePastNow · · Score: 1

      I had to clean up a friend's computer, and this was the only program I tried that got rid of a very nasty adbot that had attached itself to IE. Spybot and Ad-aware (both of which I use) didn't see it.

      I'm not planning on installing MS Antispyware on my Windows box, but it's there if I ever get a problem the programs I use can't handle.

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      Give a man fire, and you warm him for the night. Set a man on fire, and you warm him for the rest of his life.
    2. Re:My experience by jp10558 · · Score: 1

      See, this is why I won't use it. False positives.

      VNC ISNT SPYWARE!

      It also lists FTP software as spyware.

      WTF???

      Sorry, but under that logic, lets get on listing Outlook, IE, AIM, Keyboard Drivers, Webcam software and sound recorder as fricken "possible spyware".

      OF course, beyond the braindead detection issues, I don't want to reward MS for coming up with a spyware program (assuming they make it subscription based after beta, which seems likely). I want to reward MS for FIXING WINDOWS!

      I'm not even going to get into the trust issue of MS not including some spyware in their scans because they were paid off. I mean, XP COMES WITH ALEXA spyware. In the DEFAULT INSTALL.

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  7. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    No spyware is really finished until can uninstall windows, 0 out your drive, then kick you in the ass for being such an idiot before it melts down all the chips on your board.

    1. Re:Hmmm by tarmithius · · Score: 1

      Well of course this funny according to /. standards, where everything MS is evil.

  8. For the pirates... by StevenHenderson · · Score: 4, Informative
    Just an FYI to all the pirates out there:

    Even though it says you need to "validate" Windows, it prompts you after you click the download link, and then you can click "no." Good news for me^H^Hthe pirates out there with illegitimate XP copies.

    1. Re:For the pirates... by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is also useful for getting updates and other stuff from Microsoft's website site using alternative browsers like Firefox, which obviously won't run the ActiveX control this validation requires. I make a point of avoiding using Windows Update (which requires IE) and manually getting any applicable Windows patches each second Tuesday using Firefox, and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone in this. Hopefully someone at Microsoft is paying attention to their webserver reports and realises that making sections of their websites require IE isn't going to be very popular. How many legitimate Windows users are they willing to annoy just to make it a smidgeon harder for people with unlicensed copies of their software and/or privacy concerns to get updates and so on?

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    2. Re:For the pirates... by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why do you care about using IE to connect to M$? I just let it connect and check for, download, but not install updates. Then, I flip through them to make sure they are applicable to my system before installing.

      Are you really that frightened they will PWN you? Please visit my ebay store. The special this week: Tin-foil hats, half price!

    3. Re:For the pirates... by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      No, I don't care about using IE to run Windows Update, even though I would have to manually start a couple of additional services (BITS and Automatic Updates) that I have disabled by default. Nor do I particulary care if it sends some information about my hardware/software back to Microsoft in order to enable it to do a better job. I care about the fact that Windows Update, and now this new "Genuine Windows" check, both require ActiveX to work, which in turn requires IE. It's not so much about paranoia as Microsoft once again trying to force its "solution" on me, despite my wish to make another choice.

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    4. Re:For the pirates... by the+angry+liberal · · Score: 1

      It's not so much about paranoia as Microsoft once again trying to force its "solution" on me, despite my wish to make another choice.


      They aren't forcing anything. They just developed it to be used with the system's built in browser. Nothing big. If it bothers you, perhaps you should consider just running Linux? :)

    5. Re:For the pirates... by imemyself · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've validated my copy of XP Pro VLK that is definately not legal. Serial was generated and it validated just fine(atleast when I tried a few months back).

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    6. Re:For the pirates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Dear Mr. Tinfoil Hat Troll Retard

      If M$ want's to pull a number on you due to your illegitimate copy of their OS they will. Regardless of the browser of your choice.

      You download closed source executable code anyhoo, capiche?

    7. Re:For the pirates... by branchingfactor · · Score: 1

      Avoiding the validation is not just for pirates. I have a valid paid-for copy of Windows XP but I don't want to be bothered finding the Windows XP serial number for each computer and then carefully typing that unreasonably long number into the microsoft web page. They need to find a more user-friendly way to validate their software.

    8. Re:For the pirates... by NetNifty · · Score: 1

      It didn't ask me for my serial number, at least on the validation system I used on the MS page anyway. In IE it used an activeX control to check the key (iirc).

      In Firefox you download a program which generates a 5 char piece of text (you just run the program and it pops up the text, don't need to enter anything, although zonealarm popped up and told me it was trying to contact MS - if you prevent it from doing so it doesn't generate the text), which you then copy + paste into the text box shown on the MS home page, which is then validated.

    9. Re:For the pirates... by fyonn · · Score: 1

      Ahh there you are zocalo. I thought you'd disappeared off the face off the earth, I was about to phone you or something :)

      mail me willya, I've no bloody idea what your email address is these days.

      dave

      PS. yeah yeah, offtopic

  9. No Worries! by ChiefPilot · · Score: 1

    ... they'll just by Webroot!

  10. I like it. by Sheetrock · · Score: 1, Troll
    Having had an opportunity to install and test this software, I have to say that it fits into the new security initiative in a way that is good to behold. To solve the spyware problem will require the same mettle as the virus problem, and it is a good first step to make it easy for the average user to deploy and use as well as powerful enough to work against current threats.

    I think that Microsoft has traditionally done quite well with buying great software and making it fit in a system (Excel being the best example, Foxpro and Visio close second). It makes me wonder if this might be the next-generation computer business model. Let the little guys innovate and purchase the projects that make sense; kind of like venture capital after-the-fact. Certainly the original makers aren't often remembered -- the guys that first invented optical media or the stereo are less important and became less rich than the greats that currently manufacture them. And few seem aware that chopsticks originated in American mining communities in the 1800s by Chinese immigrants seeking to differentiate their restaurants from more common fare, and currently accounts for 3% of American lumber exports.

    Ultimately, integration is far more important than innovation -- there are all sorts of people who come up with new things, but recognizing what is practical and developing it to its fullest extent as part of a system is what makes Microsoft work. And I'm really glad they've picked up an anti-spyware package instead of developing one in-house because they can capitalize on someone else's focus on the spyware problem, to our benefit.

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    1. Re:I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on, you're not even trying anymore. just because trollback stoped posting is no reason to start with the cut and pastes.

    2. Re:I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Few would be aware that chopsticks originated in America in the 1800's because it is not true.
      http://www.calacademy.org/research/anthropo logy/ut ensil/chpstck.htm

      The Chinese have been using them for several thousand years. This unfortunately detracts from an otherwise inciteful post.

    3. Re:I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      "[Few] seem aware that chopsticks originated in American mining communities" because it didn't - chopsticks have been in use in China for at least 4000 years.

      Get a clue.

    4. Re:I like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And few seem aware that chopsticks originated in American mining communities in the 1800s by Chinese immigrants seeking to differentiate their restaurants from more common fare, and currently accounts for 3% of American lumber exports.

      Let me guess. You've been sitting on that piece of trivia for months and just had to work it in somewhere, even if it was a complete non-sequiteur.

    5. Re:I like it. by sriram_2001 · · Score: 1

      Sorry - but Microsoft never bought Excel. It was a product totally developed in-house

    6. Re:I like it. by Repugnant_Shit · · Score: 1

      Which would account for brain damage of the copy-paste support.

    7. Re:I like it. by yabos · · Score: 0, Troll

      And I'm pretty sure, 99% sure, that it was developed for the Mac before Windows was even around.

  11. Three things by RM6f9 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1. Does it work well? (not as well as many others)
    2. Does it uninstall cleanly? (HA!)
    3. How much does it cost for support (Better put, IS support even reasonably AVAILABLE for it?)

    No thanks, I'll stick with what I've got.

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    1. Re:Three things by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

      2. is actually a good question - can I install this, get rid of any spyware, then uninstall it?

      that would make a great rescue cd addition....

      another question - does it prevent wmp10 sending all your listening habits/licenses to microsoft?

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    2. Re:Three things by SlashdotMeNow · · Score: 1

      1. It seems to work better than all other FREE alternatives. Top of the list if you don't want to spend a dime. 2. Yes, it uninstalls just fine, but because it's so fast I left it on my 2 year old PC next to my AV. 3. I can't think of a reason you'd need support, since it's a very well-written and intuitive application. Your best bet would be to phone any general windows IT support expert if you really can't work out how to use it. If for some reason(??) you need support from MS, it's available like all other support from them, via email / phone. Check your with your local MS for pricing. What have you got?

    3. Re:Three things by detlev409 · · Score: 1

      The answer to the first is yes. I've used it on five different computers, with no problems on unistall.

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    4. Re:Three things by detlev409 · · Score: 1

      1- Yes, it does. If you expect any one piece of anti-spyware software to take out every single piece of spyware, you must be new to this game. Running Micro-Antispy after Ad-Aware and Spybot have run finds quite a few pieces. 2- Yes. Uninstalled fine, five different times. 3- Not sure, haven't needed it. Calm down, try it before you freak out.

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    5. Re:Three things by Zorilla · · Score: 1

      Top of the list if you don't want to spend a dime.

      When it comes to spyware removal, you're better off not spending a dime at all.

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    6. Re:Three things by hetairoi · · Score: 1

      1. Does it work well? (not as well as many others)

      Seems to work about as well as Spybot or Adaware, it does miss a few things, but hey - IT'S BETA.

      2. Does it uninstall cleanly? (HA!)

      um, yes. It does.

      3. How much does it cost for support (Better put, IS support even reasonably AVAILABLE for it?)

      Well, currently it's free and for support they have a technet section and freely available newsgroups with actual M$ employees responding to questions and bug reports.

      As far as cost & support, it appears that it will be free to home users but probably licensed for business use.

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  12. For a more unbiased approach..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    While these articles are mostly true, they seemed still to be biased against microsoft. Although i value /. and go along with its beliefs against a certain company, there are more balanced views out there...

    http://www.flexbeta.net/main/articles.php?action =s how&id=84

    In the articles here, they only say that some stuff was not removed by antispyware. But they never said if microfsoft antispyware picked up stuff others missed. Article above does this test.

    -SystemERRor

    1. Re:For a more unbiased approach..... by Ceirren · · Score: 1

      Basically yeah... Microsoft anti spyware also picked up some stuff adware and spybot missed.

    2. Re:For a more unbiased approach..... by Surur · · Score: 1


      Also I tried the webroot online scanner, and the thing reported two keyloggers and three adware programs.

      However on investigating the system I found no trace of these things. Maybe webroot is better at scaring people into buying their product?

      Surur

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  13. How is this "new software"? by jaymzter · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Let me get this straight, Microsoft buys another company, does a badge job on the product to slap their logos all over it, and suddenly it's something new and exciting? We might as well be reading the last review of Giant's software.
    I guess it's news because it's Microsoft, just like a divorce is news if your name is Brad and Jennifer or whatever...

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    1. Re:How is this "new software"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Troll.

      Who said it was "new software"?

      So far, only you.

    2. Re:How is this "new software"? by maxpublic · · Score: 1

      What's funny is that people are pointing to this as an example of good software produced by Microsoft. Except that Microsoft didn't produce this software, they just bought it and (apparently) haven't done much at all to change it.

      Max

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    3. Re:How is this "new software"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      just like a divorce is news if your name is Brad and Jennifer or whatever...

      Whatever got divorced?! Noooooo!

  14. Why Microsoft's product will not dominate by fleener · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Their anti-spyware software doesn't work on older versions of Windows. Poor ol' me with WinME will continue to use measures that work on older versions of Windows.

    1. Re:Why Microsoft's product will not dominate by GeorgeMcBay · · Score: 3, Funny


      Their anti-spyware software doesn't work on older versions of Windows. Poor ol' me with WinME will continue to use measures that work on older versions of Windows.


      Don't worry about it, it is getting to be so difficult to target older versions of Windows with the new APIs and development tools that even the adware guys will probably just throw up a dialog asking you to upgrade to XP before they can install their spyware. So you'll be sittin' pretty with your WinME install!

    2. Re:Why Microsoft's product will not dominate by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      or looking back to history.

      msav. now that was a hot piece of product action right in the same vein and style as msav.

      (wasn't it bought from somewhere else, too?)

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    3. Re:Why Microsoft's product will not dominate by NaDrew · · Score: 1
      In the days of DOS 6.2 and Windows 3.x, Microsoft introduced the ill-fated MSAV acquired from Central Point Software. Though not particularly noted for its virus detection capabilities, MSAV nonetheless achieved notriety by detecting the then newly introduced Windows 95 operating system as a virus.
      Source: http://antivirus.about.com/library/weekly/aa061103 a.htm
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  15. Another review by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I liked the thought of this reviewer the best:

    http://www.robert.to/reviews/msspy.html

    Go Toby!

  16. Considering Microsoft's Past History... by TooMuchEspressoGuy · · Score: 1, Informative
    Let's see...

    Built-in XP firewall - Pretty much everyone disabled it and installed another.

    Internet Explorer - Lets all the spyware in in the first place. Firefox is ten times better.

    MS Office - Don't even need to say how bad it is.

    Windows itself - Ditto.

    MS AntiSpyware - Only gets rid of two-thirds of spyware. Mostly just more bloatware.

    Nope. I'm not very surprised.

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    1. Re:Considering Microsoft's Past History... by loqi · · Score: 1

      MS Office - Don't even need to say how bad it is.

      Much as I can't stand most MS software, please direct me to a superior office suite. (This is only half-sarcastic; I'd love to avoid shelling out money on CrossOver, but I'm beginning to think that's the only way I'll ever have a good office suite under Linux).

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    2. Re:Considering Microsoft's Past History... by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 1

      Personally I think OO.org is much better than OfficeXP under Crossover, maybe not better than OfficeXP under WindowsXP, but Crossover Pro 4.1 is crap.

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    3. Re:Considering Microsoft's Past History... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FAG ALERT

    4. Re:Considering Microsoft's Past History... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm quite happy with the firewall actually. I'm just a typical user though. Not like most people on /..

      Internet Explorer - hey its compatible with the websites I visit.

      MS office? I've just found out I have to make mailing labels next week. It took me 5 minutes to figure out how to do it with Word, and it automatically supports a variety of labels. Cool.

      Windows? Great, be vague.

      MS AntiSpyware. I've actually found a few problems with it, mostly with it forgetting settings, but besides that I'd say that finding 2/3 ds of spyware is better good for a beta app.

      Considering I have to run AdAware and Spybot just to get 1/2 of them.

      A few facts in your trolling posts might be useful, since otherwise it is hard to rebut.

    5. Re:Considering Microsoft's Past History... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Built-in XP firewall - Pretty much everyone disabled it and installed another.

      Windows XP firewall does have its uses. I always turn it off and install something else, but for someone who doesn't even know what a firewall is, the built in one does a pretty good job. The built in one basically stays out of the way, with no complicated options, but still protects the computer from nasties like worms. So no phone calls from my Mom along the lines of "What is this Zonealarm thing and why is it asking me questions... "

    6. Re:Considering Microsoft's Past History... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Built-in XP firewall - Pretty much everyone disabled it and installed another.

      It's a start. Where's Linux's default, provided with all distros firewall? The only reason the XP firewall was disabled was because it was a one-way firewall and didn't block outgoing "phone home" messages.

      Internet Explorer - Lets all the spyware in in the first place. Firefox is ten times better.

      Firefox is better at what? Integration with other applications--NOT. Ease of plug-in design and implementation--NOT. Compatibility with most of the internet--NOT. Speed of startup--NOT. Accuracy of page rendering--NOT.

      MS Office - Don't even need to say how bad it is.

      There is no OSS equivalent to any of the MS Office products in terms of usability and features. Of course several million users could be wrong, but I doubt it.

      MS AntiSpyware - Only gets rid of two-thirds of spyware. Mostly just more bloatware.

      And the equivalent Linux product is where? And of course, KDE/Gnome have no bloatware--hahahahahaha. Ever try doing a graphical install on a minimal system such as a 48MB, PII? Can't do it with most distros, but it's a breeze with any Windows version.

      Nope. I'm not very surprised.

      Yeah, I'm not very surprised at many of the /. crowd here with no opinion of their own, no experience in the real world.

  17. The WSJ article is very biased. by sllim · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Problems with these reviews:

    1. It really isn't fair to issue a review of a product in its beta form. Yes it can be argued that Microsoft throwing out this software in the public domain pretty much gives people the write to issue opinions on it, but it seems to me that in a respected news source like the WSJ should take there ability to influence people to heart and wait for a final version before issuing reviews.

    2. The reviewer faulted this tool for not finding cookies. Big whoop. Seriously, cookies are highly overrated. Ad-Aware is a pretty good tool, but its insistance in clearing out all my cookies causes me to have to redo passwords and such for websites that I would have rather left alone. This utility ignoring the cookies is a good thing.

    3. Resets hijacked home pages to MSN. Buyer beware? Oh thats right this software is free. The problem with hijacked home pages is that there is a script that keeps resetting them to the hijacked page, you can't get rid of it. I haven't tested this, but I imagine that the Microsoft tool simply resets your home page to MSN. You are free to change it back to whatever you want. I imagine it would be a simple enough thing for Microsoft to reset it back to what it was originally, but that requires that your home page wasn't hijacked when the tool was installed. All in all if Microsoft want's to make MSN the default home page with this tool, and the tool is free, I say we got what we paid for. Let them have it.

    4. Doesn't support Firefox. Let me get this straight. Microsoft offers a product for free that a good many of us would be willing to pay for and they don't offer support for there competing web browser? Say it aint so!
    Let me be the first to say that if you wan't Firefox support then maybe you should look at an open source solution or possibly a pay client that supports Firefox. As long as Microsoft is giving this thing away faulting them for this is bias pure and simple.

    1. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by randallpowell · · Score: 1, Troll
      Or bypass the issue of browser hijacking and spyware by using Linux.

      if you wan't Firefox support then maybe you should look at an open source solution

    2. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's have a problem with your points #3 and #4. If you have automatic updates on, this anti-spyware software is automatically downloaded to your system. It happened to all of the Windows XP systems I maintain at work. When 90% of computers run your company's operating system, there's a difference between giving software away and actually pushing it out to people. No, they're not forcing anyone to use it, but in that context things like resetting hijacked home pages to MSN and not supporting other browsers starts to look a bit anticompetitive. Even more strangely, it occurs to me that a product which sets your homepage to the company's website sounds a bit like spyware!

      Still, these are minor quibbles. Most likely IE needs protection worse than Firefox. Also, Firefox support might come before the product is out of beta. As for the homepage thing, well, that's just Microsoft for you. This is the same company which restores IE and Outlook menu and quick launch items every time there's an update to either program (even when I specifically removed those icons). Maybe this homepage thing is just par for the course. :)

    3. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by bogie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A few counterpoints

      1. Its not a Beta. Its a Final finished product that Giant has been shipping for some time. If someone bought Photoshop CS from Adobe and then called it "My Photo Editor Beta" would you really consider it a Beta product? I agree that some consideration should be given to the fact that MS may actually do some work on this before they call it final, but this really isn't a Beta in the true sense and should be able to stand up to some scrutany.

      2. Well cookies were really the first form of spyware. Not finding them is a flaw. I like you think ignoring them might be a good idea, but the option should be there and its a mark against MS's product that it can't do whats expected from a modern spyware product these days.

      3. Good that it can find hijacked homepages, bad that they don't give you the option to set your own homepage if the program really does think your page was hijacked. That's a no-brainer and something MS should have fixed already. Saying "well its Free isn't it?" is a total copout.

      4. I agree asking MS to support a competitor let alone an OSS one is too much to hope for. But if Firefox becomes a popular browser for many Windows users then they need to keep an open mind.

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    4. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      Good that it can find hijacked homepages, bad that they don't give you the option to set your own homepage if the program really does think your page was hijacked.

      I tried it out this evening, and that's exactly what it does. It asked me if I wanted to let it monitor home pages/bookmarks, etc, and gave me a dialog with about 8 or so 'system' bookmarks for me to edit as my 'approved' bookmarks. One of these was the homepage, which you can therefore set to be what you like.

      Of course, maybe they just changed this recently due to feedback.

    5. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by sllim · · Score: 1

      'Of course, maybe they just changed this recently due to feedback.'

      Hence it is beta.

    6. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      2. The reviewer faulted this tool for not finding cookies. Big whoop. Seriously, cookies are highly overrated. Ad-Aware is a pretty good tool, but its insistance in clearing out all my cookies causes me to have to redo passwords and such for websites that I would have rather left alone. This utility ignoring the cookies is a good thing.

      After AdAware finds cookies on my system I have the ability go see the listing to be sure that nothing will be deleted that I want. Never has it picked up cookies (whether they are actually there or it is smart enough to ignore them) that it shouldn't have and a lot of the cookies of "advertising" in the filename. If I don't want any of them deleted I can simply uncheck the checkbox next to them. Simple.

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    7. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      The reviewer faulted this tool for not finding cookies. Big whoop. Seriously, cookies are highly overrated. Ad-Aware is a pretty good tool, but its insistance in clearing out all my cookies causes me to have to redo passwords and such for websites that I would have rather left alone. This utility ignoring the cookies is a good thing.

      Two things:

      1. Tracking cookies, as used by e.g. DoubleClick, are a definite threat to your privacy online, and as such should be detected as spyware.
      2. Ad-Aware presents you with a list of all items it is going to remove. It clearly marks malicious cookies as such. How hard is it to click on the column header and deselect all your session cookies that hold passwords etc.?
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    8. Re:The WSJ article is very biased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      If you have automatic updates on, this anti-spyware software is automatically downloaded to your system. It happened to all of the Windows XP systems I maintain at work. When 90% of computers run your company's operating system, there's a difference between giving software away and actually pushing it out to people.

      What have you been smoking? No, the AntiSpyware beta is NOT being pushed via Windows update; it not available via Automatic Updates or via SUS.

      Do you mean the 'Malicious Software Removal Tool' (http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=890830), maybe? This is going out via Automatic Updates, but of course it's a different thing completely, and a sign you should RTFA/RTFM.

  18. it's gaints by mit578 · · Score: 1

    Microsoft just gave it a new gui right click properties of the icon on the tool. yes it has the very fast scanning. but do you really trust it?

  19. Kinda interesting by iosmart · · Score: 1

    Non-Microsoft companies are better than Microsoft in detecting malicious changes to Microsoft's own software (IE and Windows). Well, I suppose it could be because it's not Microsoft's fault http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/15/015239 &tid=109&tid=1 :-P

  20. Does not remove Back Orifice by siliconjunkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just a note: I have a copy of Back Orifice 2K on my laptop for running some chores on several machines on my home network (the boPeep plugin is very handy) which is detected by NAV2004, and Spybot as a trojan (it can be) but it is not detected by MS Anti-Spyware. Interesting.

    I would HATE to have BO2K on my machine without knowing it.

  21. Microsoft should better... by camcorder · · Score: 1

    ...dry the mud instead of killing mosquitos. For regular users, clicking on 'Yes' for every popup appears would be something understandable, but even for tech savy guys if spyware is something to be protected, Microsoft should really think about it. For those knowing what she's doing, even anti virus tools are not necessary. But I really wonder how come theese things are realy easy to spread, and harm people. I also can't believe developers at Microsoft can't solve that problem, but volunteer guys all around the world had solved the problem already. Microsoft can be the biggest cat but it must be the most shameless company as well by releasing its own spyware tool.

  22. Can't they just buy Gator? by BestNicksRTaken · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MS have the money, instead of wasting it trying to do what Spybot S&D and Adaware haven't managed to do in years, why don't they just buy up and close down some spyware companies - that's what they usually do to threats.....

    Personally I hope this product doesn't work, as Spyware/viruses are currently the main reason people I know are moving from Windows to Linux.

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    1. Re:Can't they just buy Gator? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why don't they just buy up and close down some spyware companies

      The last thing anybody wants them to do is reward spyware commpanies by paying off their shareholders.

    2. Re:Can't they just buy Gator? by fm6 · · Score: 1
      And if Gator was responsible for most spyware, that'd be an option. But they're not. They don't even write it -- they just bundle it with their product, like a lot of other publishers.

      Until recently, most spyware was installed, directly or indirectly, by product bundles like Gator. (I say "indirectly", because of lot of spyware tries to download and install more spyware.) Which is why I am very careful about what I download. "Free" screensavers seem to be particularly nasty.

      But nowadays the authors of "drive by" spyware seem to have gotten very good. You can get infected just by pointing Internet Explorer at the wrong web site. Possibly you can prevent this by turning up the security settings for IE -- but I wouldn't even count on that.

    3. Re:Can't they just buy Gator? by SlashdotMeNow · · Score: 1

      1. Create new spyware company
      2. MS buys you out to shut you down
      3. Profit!

      4. If you can't afford that Ferrari yet, go back to step 1

  23. The other way round.. by shird · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Running spy sweeper afterwards and detecting traces of spyware still on the machine does not mean that you should assume that spy sweeper can detect all the stuff that MS anti-spyware has already detected and removed.

    Youd be better off running the two products on identically infected machines and see which detects and removes the most etc. If you were to run spy sweeper first and then MS anti-spyware, youd probably see similar results. (ie, MS anti-spyware detecting stuff that spy sweeper missed).

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  24. GIANT by mboverload · · Score: 1

    The GIANT spyware tool was the best rated anti-spyware program, how did Microsoft screw it up in like 2 weeks? It appeared they only modified some graphics, but it looks like they did more....

    1. Re:GIANT by js3 · · Score: 1

      if it was how come nobody heard of it until now. Everyone knows adaware, everyone knows spybot, no one heard of GIANT until ms bought them. Besides who cares, GAINT got their money, microsoft got the product. It is microsoft's now no matter how you slice it

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  25. Uneasy about this by minimunchkin · · Score: 1

    I had such problems wih Windows that I recently switched my main machine, but I still have a Windows box. I can believe that this is a good product, but I have difficulty with Microsoft branching out into this area. Surely it should not be a separate product. If there is a fault in Windows do they fix Windows or do they supply a fix through their subscription anti-spyware product? Is there not a conflict of interest here? They ought to be able to make the best spyware cleaner on the market, after all it is their OS - but shouldn't they be able to eliminate this within the OS. I use Suse and Mac OS X as well and I can't imagine this situation arising with either of these.

  26. New solution!! by martinultima · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Slackware Anti-Whatever(TM): The perfect solution to all your virus, spam, spyware, and other problems since 1993!! :-)

    Seriously, though, I think it's kind of stupid that Microsoft's making an anti-spyware program - after all, weren't they responsible for the problem in the first place? And of course, it doesn't detect the biggest piece of spyware integrated into every Window$ system... (whatever that unnamed program at version 6SP1 is ;-)

    I'd say that if Microsoft really cared they'd make a secure system. It isn't too hard, they already have the perfect starting ground...

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    1. Re:New solution!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it would be better for them to fork a BSD , then they wouldn't have to worry about the gpl infection ;)

  27. Works good so far. by Deathlizard · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been testing this thing against some of the worst laptops students can put in front of me and it does a great job so far.

    It's beating Spybot pretty much every time I've put them head to haed. It's still got a way to go against Ad-Aware but generally speaking it's not bad and it does a much more through job then just about every other automatic scanner I've used. I'm finding much less residue with hijackthis with MSAS than anything else so far. With a little more work on their definitions this could easily be a top notch antispyware utility.

    The on demand scanner is really through. If on demand virus scanners were written with a system similar to this it would be really impressive against viral attacks. It checks just about every startup point I can think of where spyware hides. MS definitly didn't waste money by buying this impressive scanner Giant Developed.

    The only problems I see is that it's questionable if MS is going to keep this program free and MS is a huge Lawsuit target. I can see every Spyware company suing the holy crap out of them for removing their product Screaming "Monopoly" and "Antitrust" all the way to the Judge.

  28. It's not bad... by gordgekko · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not the world's biggest fan of Microsoft -- I've pretty well shorn myself of everything but XP and Word -- but I have to admit that it's not bad. Caught some minor stuff after I hadn't done a scan with Ad-Aware in a while and cleaned them up. Not the best, nowhere near the worst.

    Interestingly, one service still says "GIANT Antispyware Data Service". I guess they didn't rebadge it all yet.

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  29. It has a long way to go by dioscaido · · Score: 1

    My biggest gripe is it's complete lack of compatibility for users running as a Limited account (non-Administrator). It runs, scans, and detects fine, but never remembers any of your choices. I'm assuming it performs the cardinal sin of trying to write choices to HKLM or a system folder.

  30. It thinks Windows 98 is Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    On this box with Windows 98, XP and Mandrake, Microsoft Antispyware told me the machine had a severe threat -- "Attacker has complete control over your computer or install new software on your machine." The offending file was "SCRRUN.DLL" in the Windows directory, which Antispyware labeled as "Specrem RAT." The file was there from a fresh reinstall of Windows 98 off the official Microsoft CD from the last millenium, from the "win98_64.cab" file. Aside from the bad grammar of the warning, I think it was wrong.

    Otherwise, it did fine.

    1. Re:It thinks Windows 98 is Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, if someone can walk up and reboot your computer into Windows 98, they can do basically anything they want (being that a user in Win98 is admin at all times). But I don't think that's what it meant.

    2. Re:It thinks Windows 98 is Spyware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did ya ever think that's part of why this thing is BETA and why it's FREE and where was all the bashing when it was still called GIANT? In fact, the software is correct, Windows 98 is a security threat just as unpatched Linux software often is. But nice try at spreading FUD.

  31. Lop? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

    But what the hell gets rid of the crap from lop dot com? (I dont reccomend going there if you use IE...)

    I have one system here at work that is infested - and Spybot Search and Destroy, Ad Aware, Giant (Microsoft) dont touch it.

    I have tried the suggestions on sites via google, but none have worked (and most are spam anyways).

    Who here has managed to remove the cancer that is Lop?

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    1. Re:Lop? by Elminst · · Score: 2

      two words...

      format c:\

      Seriously. Ghosting a drive to save data and reloading windows takes 1.5 hours or less. If you find yourself taking more than an hour fighting spyware, bite the bullet and wipe the machine. You'll save time and money in the long run.
      Unless you're one of those people who installs every program ever written and then loses the CD's...

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    2. Re:Lop? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that is my preffered option, and I will likely carry it out. It is however, a co-workers machine and not mine.

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    3. Re:Lop? by dioscaido · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not the makers of the LOP provide their own removal tool.

      http://lop.com/new_uninstall.exe

      I spent days running adaware, spybot, tweaking registry settings on my little sister's laptop (she had installed Messenger Plus), only to see the sucker come back every time I rebooted. I ran the unistall app above and LOP was totally gone from my system.

    4. Re:Lop? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 2, Informative

      Believe it or not the makers of the LOP provide their own removal tool.

      http://lop.com/new_uninstall.exe


      Checked it out - Antivirus software goes insane: It detects 2 trojans within the exe. Both newer versions of lop...

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    5. Re:Lop? by dioscaido · · Score: 1

      What AV are you running? I was faced with having to reformat and reinstall her system, so I figured I didn't have much more to lose by running the uninstall. NAV didn't complain about the file, it cleaned the machine (or seemed to do so at least), and ad-aware & spybot gave the machine a clean bill of health afterwards (and continue to do so). I'm hoping it's a false alarm...

    6. Re:Lop? by Mr.+Flibble · · Score: 1

      AVG went crazy. It is possible that it is just the latest version of lop, and that it gives you the ability to uninstall it with the latest version... all I know is that AVG went nuts.

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    7. Re:Lop? by Lord+Flipper · · Score: 1
      Unless you're one of those people who installs every program ever written and then loses the CD's...

      Who told? :)

  32. Microsoft and Spyway by certel · · Score: 1

    I don't think these 2 words should be used in the same sentence.

  33. It's not a bad start, really by jht · · Score: 1

    I've used it now on a few systems, and it does a reasonably effective job, especially given that it's still in development. At this point, I have yet to see any anti-spyware tool that covers all the bases and finds every single case of infestation.

    What I have found works pretty well is this:

    - Use Spybot initially to clean as much as possible. For best results, run it in safe mode.

    - Then let the MS program take a run at whatever's left afterwards.

    - Finally, run HijackThis to go through all the startup options and make sure nothing's left behind.

    Once it's all cleaned up, the MS program does a pretty good job of blocking new infestations along with Spybot's resident IE blocker. I always set Spybot to auto-update and auto-immunize anything new on launch - since most people I've dealt with have trouble remembering to do all that manually. And most of them also switch at the very least to Firefox.

    Or I just get them to switch to Macs... problem solved!

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  34. My experience with MSAS by bleeware · · Score: 1

    MSAS is not ready for prime time though it has potential. The UI is visually pleasing (though navigation has bumps), the scanner is fast.

    I installed MSAS on a Win2K machine. It found a piece of spyware but recommended leaving it there :-(. In addition, it complained about a registry entry made by SpyBot immunization. Finally, I noticed the machine was running slowly so I shut MSAS down (basically turned off the real time protection). It still wakes up at night and scans the machine though.

    On an infested WinXP machine, after MSAS was done, Spybot caught some spyware related stuff and then AdAware caught some more.

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  35. nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I tried it on my WinXP box and was not impressed. I have a fully patched SP2 install, use IE for few websites (the ones that don't work with Mozilla), and Mozilla for the majority of my surfing. I have a Mcafee firewall and antivirus, and sweep every week or so with Ad-Aware and Spybot. The ONLY thing MS found was part of Spybot (or Ad-Aware, I forget which), I disabled the auto-run stuff and MS still set it to autorun, and when I unistalled it, it left its garbage behind for me to manually clean up.

    Nope, nothing to see here!

    1. Re:nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err... you're complaining that it didn't find something that probably wasn't on your computer to begin with?

      Good greif, Microsoft bashing. How do you know there was any spyware to detect?

  36. A bandage on a turd by EllynGeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I guess taking some of those billions and building a good, secure operating system isn't part of Microsoft's business plane. Funny how all those Linux and BSD hippies did it without billions of dollars to play with.

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  37. It's a BETA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a BETA. Why is everyone saying they failed because it's not #1. It's STILL A BETA!

    1. Re:It's a BETA! by dioscaido · · Score: 1

      That kind of observation only works if you are talking about things like Google's recent security vulnerability. :)

  38. Fallacy by fm6 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    After removal, they ran Webroot's Spy Sweeper 3.0. It was able to detect '900 traces of 48 distinct threats still present, including two keyloggers and three Trojans.
    Means nothing, unless you're sure that Spy Sweeper doesn't do false positive. And it fact, that product seems to do a lot of them. Right now, it's insisting that I have the 2nd-thought and Slackbot trojans. But those guys are pretty well documented, and I can't find the slightest trace of either.
  39. What about false positives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    There's a tendancy for people to equate "found more stuff" with "better". Don't forget that false positives are an issue.

    1. Re:What about false positives? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except in this case the false positives are identified and the user is given the final decision as to what to do.

  40. Re: I'm a Tard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "few seem aware that chopsticks originated in American mining communities in the 1800s by Chinese immigrants"

    No shit Sherlock!

    So when did they originate in China?

  41. Too soon to tell... by writermike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Largely, this beta is little more than a rebranded GIANT Antispyware, which was already pretty good to being with. (Yeah, it doesn't support 95/98/ME any longer, but GIANT's software was a little flaky there.)

    (It would be interesting if one could go back in time, send the same software to the reviewer with the GIANT brand and see if the name, "Microsoft," somehow changed the review, but I digress.)

    I am less concerned with Microsoft's changing the underlying structure of the product than I am with their ability to keep up with the threat. Malware demands that an anti product get updated very, very often, sometimes daily. Microsoft, to date, has never demonstrated that they can keep up with the threat. How are they going to go from releasing one to two security updates every couple of weeks to keeping up with a threat that can change hourly.

    Sure, it'll piss us all off if Microsoft -- who presumably has more knowledge of and access to Windows' under-pinnings -- doesn't live up to this challenge, but the worst that will happen to it is this nice product they bought will quickly become irrelevant. And the community (or communisits, I'm not sure which) will, again, rise up to fill the vacuum.

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    1. Re:Too soon to tell... by jamesl · · Score: 1

      Since MS bought the company (GIANT) they now have all the (former GIANT) people who kept the threats up to date. Or updated the threats. Or ... you know what I mean.

    2. Re:Too soon to tell... by TheClarkey · · Score: 1

      I'd argue that there is a huge difference between getting a patch for a problem ready to go (develop/qa etc) and with what will be required for dealing with malware.

  42. Microsft spyware removal? by Mishra100 · · Score: 1, Interesting

    We all know microsoft can make good bugs and can't repair them. How are they supposed to make software that repairs bugs. Obviously, the program will make more bugs. Its the Microsoft way (*cough* SP2 *cough) ^_^

  43. It's considered a virus by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    and Microsoft is still trying not to step on anyone's toes too much (just yet, anyway). Yeah, I know, the lines get hazy sometime, but there you go....

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  44. hostfiles and the beta anti-spyware by artifex2004 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm using a special hostfile I got online, that helps me avoid a lot of ad servers, etc. The anti-spyware beta really dislikes this, however, and every time I run it picks ONE server it tells me is maliciously redirected. I can't easily tell it to just ignore that one component of the search, and when I ask it to ignore an individual server entry, it gives me warnings like I'm going to be really sorry I didn't let MS do what it wants.

    1. Re:hostfiles and the beta anti-spyware by Tarwn · · Score: 1

      You have to be careful with the nifty long hosts file. I have one that is about 17,000 lines long that I had to stop using. Got tired of windows lagging out for 7-9 minutes on the "preparing Network Connections" stage of loadup to scan it all...and when you edit it...compared to my usual 2 minute startup time that was fairly painful :P

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  45. The Best Microsoft AntiSpyware... by eomnimedia · · Score: 4, Funny
    1. Re:The Best Microsoft AntiSpyware... by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      This is not only funny, but informative. I never had any problem with spyware, viruses, or worms, in so many years of using Macs. Guess what my dad got a few MINUTES after buying a brand-new PC? Yup that's right... w32.Blaster.

    2. Re:The Best Microsoft AntiSpyware... by windex82 · · Score: 1

      I know several people who have picked up blaster just minutes after a re-instal, my suggestion has always been to download something to repair it, use that install to burn any SP other updates, and virus definitions (to manually install later), unplug the interweb and re-install again. Afterwards, install the updates, manually update the virus scanner, then plug the cable back in.

      The usual reply is, "Removing it will be good enough."

  46. MOD PARENT UP by detlev409 · · Score: 1

    Bout time somebody spoke some sense.

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  47. what about there own bundled spyware by smittyman · · Score: 1

    You know,
    everytime I install Windows or Servicepack it I receive an extra program. It's the Alexis Spyware (keylogger) bundled with Internet Explorer...For us to greatly enjoy our computer with added features.

    I wonder, would MS antispyware detect there own added c.r.a.p. or to put it differently, how big is the pricetag NOT to be detected by it.

    I'll stick to good 'Ol spybot for now.

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  48. Thumbs up by adeydas · · Score: 1

    The downloading part is a bit slow but the software is good. It has its own flaws but then again its in its beta stage so we can expect that. OMG, is MS getting better, what will happen to the world?!

  49. My problem with this review..... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have to say, I'm basically at a loss to explain why there's been a lot of positive press about Webroot's Spy Sweeper 3.0 recently. This PC Mag. review is just the latest in "shoot-outs" and reviews I've read that gave Spy Sweeper top (or near top) honors.

    My personal experience, doing on-site PC service calls for a living, is completely different. I've cleaned literally hundreds of spyware infested PCs for customers in the last year or so, and I *often* find they have Spy Sweeper already installed and running, despite all their problems.

    People occasionally ask me if Spy Sweeper is "any good" since companies like Gateway like to try selling it to them over the phone when they call with problems. I've been advising to save the money and skip it.

    It may have a nice interface and claimed "feature set" - but from what I've observed, it doesn't really seem to be that effective at keeping spyware out, or detecting it after the fact.

    In the past, I've been an advocate of the SpyBot and Ad-Aware SE combo, but the new Giant/MS Anti-Spyware solution has done an impressive job for me so far. Just last night, I had a PC that both SpyBot 1.4 beta (w/latest update sigs) and Ad-Aware SE with latest update sigs. reported completely clean of spyware problems. Despite that, ads were randomly popping open in IE windows every 15 seconds or so. MS Anti-Spyware completely cleaned it up.

    1. Re:My problem with this review..... by Crimson+Midget · · Score: 1

      For what it's worth, my first on the job experience with MS AntiSpyware wasn't good. It decided mfc42.dll was a part of something bad and deleted it. I've had Ad-Aware rip out the tcp/ip stack before so I was hoping a MS branded solution wouldn't remove critical system files. Fortunately I was able to copy the file back in through the recovery console, but it was a big pain I shouldn't have had to go through. Despite some rare problems I think we'll be sticking with Ad-Aware and manual inspection for now.

    2. Re:My problem with this review..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, I wonder why MSAS works so much differently on your machine than mine. I have mfc42.dll on my system as well and none of the typical av/anti-spyware programs (SBS&D, Adaware, MSAS) identified it as bad. Among the things it didn't like, it gave me the level of threat and ASKED me what I wanted to do with it. I would not have let it delete mfc files.

    3. Re:My problem with this review..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A couple things I'd like to note...

      First of all...version 3.0 was two revisions ago. The current version of Spy Sweeper is 3.5 and it's just recently won PC Mag's Editor's Choice award once again, and they're not one of those review sites that gives a #1 rating based on how much $$$ they can extort from you (a la toptenreviews.com)...so perhaps you weren't seeing the benefits that Spy Sweeper's updates bring.

      Also, it's usually safe to assume that someone who needs a tech to come work on their system may not be as likely to keep their software up to date...maybe that's why they had so many problems. Also, they may not have been diligent about running sweeps often or even correctly following process to remove unwanted items.

  50. What is with the numbers? by grotgrot · · Score: 1

    Why are all these tools evaluated based on left overs other tools find and counting them? If just pure counts are used then the makers have an incentive to label as many things as possible as spyware, and try to count the same thing several times over. For example they could count HotBar once, or they could counr each file of it, each registry key, each hook into IE etc as one item. And of course the makers now have a strong financial incentive for spyware to exist that others don't find. Guess how they will do that.

    For the items that they miss, I am only interested in the severity of the items.

  51. Where's the free lunch? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So remind me again, wich services are free.. . (?)
    Even M$ beta is - for now.. .

  52. Where is the OSS initiative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's my lousy cents on the deal.

    Where's the Open Source/Free Software initiative to deal with spyware issues?

    Pardon my ignorance but if you know - please do share your insights.

    1. Re:Where is the OSS initiative? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I suppose the answer there is really in the question dontcha think ?

    2. Re:Where is the OSS initiative? by Okthnxbye · · Score: 1

      Eh, no?

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  53. I'm not so sure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was able to detect '900 traces of 48 distinct threats still present, including two keyloggers and three Trojans.' With that, it looks like Microsoft still has work to do before they are on top of the market."

    I'm not so sure, this seems to be about on par if not a better track record then most of their software.

    bleh bleh quick jab and microsoft bleh bleh

  54. Microsoft's had anti-spyware software forever. by Mostly+Harmless · · Score: 2, Insightful

    format c:

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  55. Good source of consolidated information by kooshvt · · Score: 2, Informative

    It might not be the best anti-spyware program, but its other features are nice. I run Spybot, Ad-aware and SpywareBlaster and decided to install the MS program as well. It didn't find anything, I didn't think it would with the combined efforts of the other 3 programs, but I was impressed by the consolidation of information it presents. In one place I can see the current running processes, startup applications, LSPs and installed activeX apps. It will make troubleshooting family members computer problems easier once they install this. I can just direct them to one app to answer most all my questions, instead of having them dig through the registry, downloading other obscure programs and goggling every unknown process they currently have running. I will still install the other 3 apps on the computers I am called upon to troubleshot and will definitely add this program as well for ease of information.

  56. slowdowns... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ive got sp2 (which had been running just fine) and recently got anti-spyware, and ive been noticing some major slowdowns. im going to try uninstalling, but has anyone else experienced these kinds of problems with the software?

  57. HitmanPro all in one by MoreDruid · · Score: 1

    Since a few days, I use HitmanPro. It's a program that has a bunch of anti-spyware apps rolled in one. Spyware blaster, AdAware, Spybot are a few that are being used. It auto-updates all packages and runs all of them sequentially without interference (you can put it on hold or exit the program though). Easy to use and works great. You'll have to be running windows 2000 or higher, but that's about the only catch I could find.

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  58. Wikipedia says your facts are wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chopsticks#History

    You have chopsticks confused with Chop-suey (or was it fried rice?) that was invented in America in the 1800's. CHOPSTICKS have been around for thousands of years.

  59. Beware - you can still get adware via firefox/moz by smeenz · · Score: 0
    2 days ago, I turned on my computer in the morning as I do every day, and noticed things were noticeably slower at starting up than usual. I started up task manager and was rather shocked to discover a bunch of 4 letter.exe programs (eg, asjw.exe or similar) that I'ld never seen before. I immediately killed them and then spent the next 2 hours figuring out what had happened, how it had happened, and getting things back to normal.

    Using my squid logs, I found out that I had opened a webpage in mozilla on what looks likely to have been www.azlyrics.com, and that had started a JAVA application, which popped up a dialog asking yes/no for something. Stupidly, I didn't think much of it at the time because I thought it would just be some background music or something someone had done with java

    Somehow, the sun j2re machine thought the java application had permission to open iexplore.exe by name, and had pointed it at a number of webpages designed to exploit bugs/features in IE that allowed a heap of spyware to install itself without any further popups or questions.

    My computer is running w2k, fully service packed and updated just last week with the latest from windows update. I use internet explorer solely for accessing windows update and never open it otherwise.

    One of the first things I did was disable java in mozilla, and then uninstalled the JRE completely. It took multiple reboots, many manual file and regkey deletions, and multiple spyware scanners to get rid of everything that had clawed its way in.

    Adaware found most things, but removed very little.. even though it said it was quarantining everything, none of the .exe files in system32 actually got deleted and I had to delete them manually. There was also a service called ZESOFT that sat in the background and reinstalled stuff as I deleted it.

    In the end, I downloaded Microsoft's (giant's) antispyware tool and it found a number of files, other than the .exe, that were created by the spyware apps, and was able to delete all but one of them. I had to delete the last one manually, and it wasn't file locked or anything, so I don't know why it couldn't delete it itself.

    I just had a look at spy sweeper, and ran the free scan, and it STILL finds remnamts of the same 5 pieces of sh*t that adaware and MS antispyware both found, although because it's the free scan, it won't tell me what files or regkeys it actually located. The crap in question is:

    Bargain Buddy

    InternetOptimizer

    IstBar

    MoneyTree

    NaviSearch

    All in all, a very scary experience.. it is certainly very worrying that the Sun JRE apparently allowed this to happen.

    It is even more worrying that even with microsoft's new attitude (firewall on by default, and so on) that IE is *STILL* wide open and allows spyware to be installed without any action from the user.

    So beware.. even using firefox or mozilla, you can still get infested.

  60. Administrators and users by Gnavpot · · Score: 1

    Secondly, look outside your slashdot bubble and you'll see people who share computers. Not everyone has three or four boxes laying about. One person (or the admin) may put a VNC server on there and then another person may remove it because they trust the MS app and don't know any better. A spyware catcher is an administrative tool. It should only be run by administrators, not by any user accessing the computer without knowing how it is setup. This is what unpriviledged accounts are for.

  61. Benefit the community by fishdan · · Score: 1
    The really interesting thing about this development is that in order to be the BEST, MSFT will be relying on the community for reports of spyware. Although I certainly agree that they created this industry for themselves, I am glad that they are owning up to solving the symptoms, though imho there is still a problem when your browser is linked inherently into your OS.

    So admins, whitehats and FOSS people everywhere will be helping MSFT by reporting spyware/supporting MSFT anti-spyware stuff, and MSFT will be benefiting from this sense of community, from a community that they are actually opposed to. It's either funny or sad, I'm not sure which. Hopefully both sides might learn a thing or two

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  62. Re:Not just the pirates... by pacman+on+prozac · · Score: 1

    I tried it on my work PC which came from the factory with XP installed and has a license key on the bottom (is a laptop). I couldn't validate with either the key the factory put on the lappy or the key from the MS sticker underneath it. Could be they're corporate keys that won't go through the validator but no idea.

    Although its not a problem as you say that doesn't stop you using it. It's not just pirates that will struggle with validation though.

  63. Spyware test was meaningless, as are 'traces' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Saying Spy Sweeper removed x 'traces' is meaningless for two reasons:

    First - they don't identify if these were critical to the spyware application. Did the MS app leave behind entire undetected infections, or empty folders, text files, inactive objects, etc. I think an application's success can be measured by how much spyware it disables, not how many items it finds. If the MS app only 'found' 2/3 as much as the spy sweeper app but still eliminated any 'active' spyware I'd still be content. However...
    Second - Spy Sweeper (and Giant/Microsoft actually) inflate their numbers artificially anyway so I'd be very suspicious of whatever numbers Spy Sweeper presents. They do this through several means, but Spy Sweeper's favourite is to take an accepted spyware infection and break it into several 'sub' infections that all use the same components, which means they get counted several times.

    Other scanners detect one infection with x components, Spy Sweeper detects say 5 infections that all use the same components and then ends up with 5x total 'traces' found, since it counts those components once for each infection. Obviously Spy Sweeper is better because they found more! Microsoft does similar things with carriers and registry values but it's not as egregious.

  64. This is just more of the new Microsoft Trend by cualexander · · Score: 1

    Historically, Microsoft has produced products that have bugs, are unstable, and just down right annoying, BUT it seems ever since the release of XP Service pack 2 that Microsoft is heading in a new direction, and I like their efforts. Look at Service Pack 2, they finally woke up and are trying to add in more core functionality and stability to the operating system. True, there are several bugs, but when you are programming for something that runs a vast array of software and hardware, most of which is very old in the average computer user sector of the public, there are going to be bugs, no way around it. Then you have this spyware tool. Sure it isn't perfect, but they label it as Beta 1 and they aren't putting it out there as a finished product. Its pretty good for a free tool. I, for one, appreciate the fact that at least Microsoft appears to be trying to move forward instead of standing still. I mean like it or not, they control 95% of the consumer market. They could very well just sit back and say screw it, we aren't going to be innovative or add new functionality at all. I mean what would happen? People stop using Windows and switch over to linux or mac? Not likely. While their are other alternatives, their are people still out there that believe internet explorer IS the internet. The general populus is not as informed as the slashdot crowd. I guess my overall point is that I'm starting to like Microsoft more these days. Of course, I'll probably be modded down and flamed for this whole post, but go ahead do your worst.

  65. [OT] Sig by HeghmoH · · Score: 1

    Given the fact that a pyramid scheme is guaranteed to leave the vast majority of the people who get sucked into it with absolutely nothing, do you actually expect you have a good chance to get your free stuff? What makes you luckier than the next guy?

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  66. Is it fair... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...to compare a beta release of 1.0 software to a 3.0 product?

  67. Re:Beware - you can still get adware via firefox/m by upski · · Score: 1

    Good info, SpywareInfo.com has some pretty good tips on security setting changes for IE that might help.

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  68. RE: bad 1st. experience by King_TJ · · Score: 1

    Well, it is still a first beta - so I don't doubt that can happen. Hasn't been a problem for me *yet* though, but good to know it's something to look out for.

    I can give you a great tip for fixing a damaged/ripped up TCP/IP stack quickly though. I found a little utility called "WinsockXPfix" that you just double-click, and it rebuilds the whole stack and prompts you to reboot when it's done. Despite its name, it works with pretty much any version of Windows. (It'll auto-detect your version when you first run it, and display what it found in its window.)

    http://www.spychecker.com/download/download_wins oc kxpfix.html

  69. Too many false positives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This review points out that the program has too many false positives:

    http://www.shaftek.org/blog/archives/000213.html

  70. Re:Beware - you can still get adware via firefox/m by smeenz · · Score: 1

    I'm glad someone appreciates it... I see someone else thoughfully modded me down for my efforts.

  71. So what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft released a product created by a company merely three weeks after they bought them out. Big deal, it would be stupid to assert that they haven't had their Windows team even look at it yet. Of course they haven't. That doesn't mean the Giant team, who were probably onto something, aren't still working on it. Make a mental note and be sure to check back in a few weeks to see how it progresses. Till then, stay clean and keep tabs on your system.

    Kt