That's simply not how it works for property assessment and for good reason. I could "sell" my house to my son for $10. Should he pay property taxes on $10?
Or maybe when I buy a house that's valued at $500,000, the seller sells it to me for $50 and charges me $499,950 to mow the lawn.
I respect the fact you pay extra taxes; means less to pay for the rest of us.
Everyone knows this is how it works too. There's a big pot and the government keeps collecting money until it fills up and after that no one has to pay anymore.
In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.
Service to the state is not regulation. The article even states that directly so people like you don't get confused.
Service the state is "... produce more tanks". Regulation is "... treat your water before dumping it into the lake." See the difference? The former is setting the direction of industry, the latter is putting limitations on how industry can achieve their goals.
Good luck moving to California and getting in-state tuition without some means.
I wouldn't expect to be able to move to a state where I've never paid taxes and leech off of their education system. The person I mentioned above is a life long CA resident.
Norway and Sweden have decent social services paid for by capitalist economies. They are farther toward capitalism than socialism.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.
“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added.
In much of the US, your ability to get a good education depends on your family's wealth.
That's just not true. Anyone can get a student loan. My wife's brother's CC and university are completely free in CA. I honestly have no idea how that works but it happened.
The difference is, in the feudal, USSR, or North Korean models
Please don't bring the USSR or NK into this. Both of them are dictatorships that hang / hung their hat on communism only as a way to dupe their populace. The message of communism is very simple: everyone works according to their skills and shares the benefits. There's nothing in the communist manifesto about perpetuating a dynasty by putting a fat little madman in a position of absolute power and conning his people into thinking he's a god that doesn't poop.
Over-regulation is, in fact, Fascism [wikipedia.org].
Not according to your link:
An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[16] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[17]
The article directly contrasts fascism with government regulation.
Think of it as civil disobedience which undermines respect for all law. Petitioning lawmakers is as useless as voting when concentrated interests like NIntendo select the lawmakers beforehand.
Think of some sort of disobedience that doesn't result in you getting a bunch of free shit. How about not buying any Nintendo products? That seems like a darn good way to tell Nintendo that you don't like how they do business.
Fun fact. I tried that once. Wrote a letter. Sent it to my Congressman. Guess who he was? Mike Pence. Got a pretty cordial letter, all things considering. Basically regurgitated the importance of copyright without really at all addressing my concerns.
That's kind of an indication that this isn't an important issue to his constituents.
I understand your position. The only realistic chance I have of seeing a change where I live would be to run for office.
Ya...
Living in a democracy / republic means you don't always get what you want. Laws are made by and for the masses not individuals. That's not license to disobey the law. Disobeying (or ignoring) every law you don't agree with boils down to no law. For you that might be copying a ROM. For someone else it might mean raping your wife.
Personally I agree the laws should be changed, but it's low on my list of societal injustices. I have access to an incredible amount of media. Much more than I could possibly consume.
Many of these ROMs are no longer even sold -- the original developer and publisher are LONG gone from the market.
Anything released on Nintendo is licensed through Nintendo. They have a financial stake in every (official) ROM released for their platforms.
And if the ROM sites weren't hosting any Nintendo games we wouldn't be talking here.
The fact that people WANT to download these old ROMs shows there is a demand
Your desire for a product doesn't obligate someone to sell it to you. We are talking about video games here. Not water, or health care, or electricity. Check yourself.
No one gives a fuck if some kid downloads a game that has been out of print for 20+ years except parasites, aka, lawyers.
You sure? Seems like Nintendo does. Yes, they use lawyers because you know, these are ultimately legal actions. I know we'd all be happier if they hired armed mercs to firebomb the data centers.
All Nintendo has is its IP. That's it. Of course they are going to use every tool they have to protect it.
It seems that in their world view, the only thing that matter is who is the owner of the IP rights.
It's not their world view, it's the law. Nintendo doesn't own some global blackops that flys around the world on an SR-71 bombing data centers that host ROMs. They go through the courts in a variety of regions.
You don't own the IP rights. So even if you own an actual NES console that you legally paid for, and own a cartridge of Maria that you legally paid for, you're not allowed to use the same bits that exist on the ROM on your PC to play a game that you already legally paid for.
Can we not play stupid here. Almost everyone that downloads ROMs from these sites never paid for them. Fine, make your argument why that's okay, and how copyright laws are unfair, and so on. But don't build your argument through a ridiculous supposition we all know is invalid. That doesn't work in a conversation with your friend and it certainly doesn't work in a court of law.
Regardless, what has a site that hosts tens of thousands of ROMs got to do with your right to own a copy of ROMs for which you paid? They aren't coming after you. I'm fairly certain if you backup your bought and paid for ROM no one is going knock down your door and arrest you.
IP Protection laws need to be on a "use it or lose it" basis. If you're no longer producing or providing the ability to use an IP, you lose it to the public domain.
Agreed. What do you think is a better course of action to achieve that end?
1. Lobby lawmakers. 2. Play a bunch of games you downloaded and didn't pay for.
I'm guessing most freedom-fighters here opt for option 2.
but's it's ok for Nintendo to use emu work done from ines and others in there own systems?
If they are using it,
1. They are paying for it. Can you see the difference between that and NOT paying for something? 2. They are not paying for it. In which cause the author has a clear legal case against them.
or even used dumped roms from others (as if they lost there own roms)
I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.
Android trades standardization for diversity.
The only way to not have a situation like this is to standardize hardware, like Apple. If you like Apple and are happy with their hardware and price, great. If you want a 4k screen, dual SIMs, a ridiculously large battery, a $200 budget phone, dual screens, modular components, a headphone jack, a built in shaver, a 3" screen, a built in projector, a satellite phone, or some other particular hardware, you look to Android.
Android is just a base, in the form of source code. Manufacturers start with AOSP, or a drop of AOSP from their preferred chip vendor (is the Note Qualcomm?). Then they spend 6+ months writing drivers and making customizations and stabilizing it for their device. When Google announces the release of Android P, that's the SOURCE. it means that manufacturers can *start* porting. Some preferred OEMs may get it earlier... but not much.
Yes you are right of course. Sad, because consumers just want one place where they can find their shows and are being given just the opposite.
I interviewed at Netflix some years ago and asked them about their strategy in the face of competitors controlling their content. They said something about having superior video delivery technology. Something about their stream adapting to bandwidth. I remember thinking people will catch up to you on that. I didn't get the job:)
Seriously, though, "Web browsers aren't apps" is the worst semantic argument I've seen in a long time.
I guess you don't understand how browsers even work. Here's a hint though. The source code for chromium doesn't include slashdot. Think about it.
Yes, a browser is a program. A program that exists to run other programs. A lot like Windows exists to run Windows programs. Or the python command runs scripts. Or Android runs Android apps. Or the JVM runs Java apps. Their main (in some cases only) function is to facilitate a runtime environment for other programs.
Do you hear people saying "python is the best podcast player!"? No? You also won't hear anyone (outside your own head) claiming a browser is a great podcast player, for the same reason.
The cable companies are under this false impression that it was a good idea to provide as many channels as possible. The only saving grace for them now is to offer Netflix-style on demand programming for all their content.
Funny how things come around. Netflix is under the impression that it's a good idea to produce as many possible series / movies as possible regardless of their quality.
Slashdot Mirror
That's exactly what it equals!
That's simply not how it works for property assessment and for good reason. I could "sell" my house to my son for $10. Should he pay property taxes on $10?
Or maybe when I buy a house that's valued at $500,000, the seller sells it to me for $50 and charges me $499,950 to mow the lawn.
Obviously it can't work like that.
I respect the fact you pay extra taxes; means less to pay for the rest of us.
Everyone knows this is how it works too. There's a big pot and the government keeps collecting money until it fills up and after that no one has to pay anymore.
In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.
Service to the state is not regulation. The article even states that directly so people like you don't get confused.
Service the state is "... produce more tanks". Regulation is "... treat your water before dumping it into the lake." See the difference? The former is setting the direction of industry, the latter is putting limitations on how industry can achieve their goals.
What is the sentence after that which you bolded?
I'm quoting from the article you linked. If you want to read the context, go back and read the article you linked.
Contingent upon what? How is that enforced?
??? They are talking about political and economic theories, not practices. Again, it's the article you linked.
Good luck moving to California and getting in-state tuition without some means.
I wouldn't expect to be able to move to a state where I've never paid taxes and leech off of their education system. The person I mentioned above is a life long CA resident.
Norway and Sweden
Norway and Sweden have decent social services paid for by capitalist economies. They are farther toward capitalism than socialism.
"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy,” Rasmussen said.
“The Nordic model is an expanded welfare state which provides a high level of security for its citizens, but it is also a successful market economy with much freedom to pursue your dreams and live your life as you wish,” he added.
https://www.thelocal.dk/201511...
Or, at least, it was before Obamacare helped fix it.
THANKS OBAMA. Oh wait. I mean: thanks Obama.
In much of the US, your ability to get a good education depends on your family's wealth.
That's just not true. Anyone can get a student loan. My wife's brother's CC and university are completely free in CA. I honestly have no idea how that works but it happened.
So, the govt is supposed to be there for preventing people being stupid with their own money, making decisions for them?
Um. What? If you get a loan, it isn't your money, by definition
The difference is, in the feudal, USSR, or North Korean models
Please don't bring the USSR or NK into this. Both of them are dictatorships that hang / hung their hat on communism only as a way to dupe their populace. The message of communism is very simple: everyone works according to their skills and shares the benefits. There's nothing in the communist manifesto about perpetuating a dynasty by putting a fat little madman in a position of absolute power and conning his people into thinking he's a god that doesn't poop.
Over-regulation is, in fact, Fascism [wikipedia.org].
Not according to your link:
An important aspect of fascist economies was economic dirigism,[16] meaning an economy where the government often subsidizes favorable companies and exerts strong directive influence over investment, as opposed to having a merely regulatory role. In general, fascist economies were based on private property and private initiative, but these were contingent upon service to the state.[17]
The article directly contrasts fascism with government regulation.
While that's true, the flip side is that too much regulation can also become a nightmare.
Thank god we have minds that allow us to deal in things other than black and white.
Think of it as civil disobedience which undermines respect for all law. Petitioning lawmakers is as useless as voting when concentrated interests like NIntendo select the lawmakers beforehand.
Think of some sort of disobedience that doesn't result in you getting a bunch of free shit. How about not buying any Nintendo products? That seems like a darn good way to tell Nintendo that you don't like how they do business.
Fun fact. I tried that once. Wrote a letter. Sent it to my Congressman. Guess who he was? Mike Pence. Got a pretty cordial letter, all things considering. Basically regurgitated the importance of copyright without really at all addressing my concerns.
That's kind of an indication that this isn't an important issue to his constituents.
I understand your position. The only realistic chance I have of seeing a change where I live would be to run for office.
Ya...
Living in a democracy / republic means you don't always get what you want. Laws are made by and for the masses not individuals. That's not license to disobey the law. Disobeying (or ignoring) every law you don't agree with boils down to no law. For you that might be copying a ROM. For someone else it might mean raping your wife.
Personally I agree the laws should be changed, but it's low on my list of societal injustices. I have access to an incredible amount of media. Much more than I could possibly consume.
It's funny, but at the same time they are perfectly within their rights to download from a site for their use
Um, yes? They own the copyright. Are you suggesting that someone can violate a copyright they themselves hold by using their own IP?
Many of these ROMs are no longer even sold -- the original developer and publisher are LONG gone from the market.
Anything released on Nintendo is licensed through Nintendo. They have a financial stake in every (official) ROM released for their platforms.
And if the ROM sites weren't hosting any Nintendo games we wouldn't be talking here.
The fact that people WANT to download these old ROMs shows there is a demand
Your desire for a product doesn't obligate someone to sell it to you. We are talking about video games here. Not water, or health care, or electricity. Check yourself.
No one gives a fuck if some kid downloads a game that has been out of print for 20+ years except parasites, aka, lawyers.
You sure? Seems like Nintendo does. Yes, they use lawyers because you know, these are ultimately legal actions. I know we'd all be happier if they hired armed mercs to firebomb the data centers.
All Nintendo has is its IP. That's it. Of course they are going to use every tool they have to protect it.
It seems that in their world view, the only thing that matter is who is the owner of the IP rights.
It's not their world view, it's the law. Nintendo doesn't own some global blackops that flys around the world on an SR-71 bombing data centers that host ROMs. They go through the courts in a variety of regions.
You don't own the IP rights. So even if you own an actual NES console that you legally paid for, and own a cartridge of Maria that you legally paid for, you're not allowed to use the same bits that exist on the ROM on your PC to play a game that you already legally paid for.
Can we not play stupid here. Almost everyone that downloads ROMs from these sites never paid for them. Fine, make your argument why that's okay, and how copyright laws are unfair, and so on. But don't build your argument through a ridiculous supposition we all know is invalid. That doesn't work in a conversation with your friend and it certainly doesn't work in a court of law.
Regardless, what has a site that hosts tens of thousands of ROMs got to do with your right to own a copy of ROMs for which you paid? They aren't coming after you. I'm fairly certain if you backup your bought and paid for ROM no one is going knock down your door and arrest you.
IP Protection laws need to be on a "use it or lose it" basis. If you're no longer producing or providing the ability to use an IP, you lose it to the public domain.
Agreed. What do you think is a better course of action to achieve that end?
1. Lobby lawmakers.
2. Play a bunch of games you downloaded and didn't pay for.
I'm guessing most freedom-fighters here opt for option 2.
but's it's ok for Nintendo to use emu work done from ines and others in there own systems?
If they are using it,
1. They are paying for it. Can you see the difference between that and NOT paying for something?
2. They are not paying for it. In which cause the author has a clear legal case against them.
or even used dumped roms from others (as if they lost there own roms)
What does the even mean. Link something.
I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.
Android trades standardization for diversity.
The only way to not have a situation like this is to standardize hardware, like Apple. If you like Apple and are happy with their hardware and price, great. If you want a 4k screen, dual SIMs, a ridiculously large battery, a $200 budget phone, dual screens, modular components, a headphone jack, a built in shaver, a 3" screen, a built in projector, a satellite phone, or some other particular hardware, you look to Android.
Android is just a base, in the form of source code. Manufacturers start with AOSP, or a drop of AOSP from their preferred chip vendor (is the Note Qualcomm?). Then they spend 6+ months writing drivers and making customizations and stabilizing it for their device. When Google announces the release of Android P, that's the SOURCE. it means that manufacturers can *start* porting. Some preferred OEMs may get it earlier... but not much.
It's almost like you can pickup Android P in a day and port it entirely over to a new device in a matter of weeks!
Yes you are right of course. Sad, because consumers just want one place where they can find their shows and are being given just the opposite.
I interviewed at Netflix some years ago and asked them about their strategy in the face of competitors controlling their content. They said something about having superior video delivery technology. Something about their stream adapting to bandwidth. I remember thinking people will catch up to you on that. I didn't get the job :)
Seriously, though, "Web browsers aren't apps" is the worst semantic argument I've seen in a long time.
I guess you don't understand how browsers even work. Here's a hint though. The source code for chromium doesn't include slashdot. Think about it.
Yes, a browser is a program. A program that exists to run other programs. A lot like Windows exists to run Windows programs. Or the python command runs scripts. Or Android runs Android apps. Or the JVM runs Java apps. Their main (in some cases only) function is to facilitate a runtime environment for other programs.
Do you hear people saying "python is the best podcast player!"? No? You also won't hear anyone (outside your own head) claiming a browser is a great podcast player, for the same reason.
I'd argue that the problem is too little competition.
Good thing they repealed net neutrality. Things are going to change, really. Thanks you Mr. Pai!
The cable companies are under this false impression that it was a good idea to provide as many channels as possible. The only saving grace for them now is to offer Netflix-style on demand programming for all their content.
Funny how things come around. Netflix is under the impression that it's a good idea to produce as many possible series / movies as possible regardless of their quality.