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Samsung Announces $1,000 Galaxy Note 9 Smartphone With Last-Gen Android Software Out-of-the-Box (engadget.com)

The Galaxy Note 9 touts a slightly larger 6.4-inch end-to-end screen, a 4,000mAh battery that promises "all-day" use, and a minimum 128GB of storage -- there's also a 512GB version that, with 512GB microSD cards, can give you a full terabyte of space. It runs Android 8.1 Oreo -- not Android Pie, which Google and Essential rolled out to some of their devices earlier this month. Engadget: Samsung is also bringing over welcome improvements from the Galaxy S9 family, including stereo speakers and the variable aperture f/1.5-2.4 primary camera (there's a second camera on the back, of course). This year, though, the most conspicuous change revolves around the S Pen. This is Samsung's first S Pen to incorporate Bluetooth, and that lets you do a whole lot more than doodle on the screen. You can use it as a remote control for selfies and presentations, and Samsung is providing a toolkit to let app developers use the pen for their own purposes. And no, you don't need to load it with batteries or plug it into a charger -- it'll top up just by staying in your phone. The base model of the Note 9, featuring 128GB of storage and 6GB of RAM, is priced at $999. The other variant will set you back by $1,250. Preorders begin on August 10th, and the phone will be available on August 24th at all major carriers or direct (and unlocked) from Samsung. CNET writes about the camera sensors on the new handset: The Galaxy Note 9 keeps the same hardware setup as the Galaxy S9 Plus. That is, dual 12-megapixel cameras on the back, one of them that automatically changes aperture when it detects the need for a low-light shot. (Samsung calls this dual aperture, and it's also on both S9 phones.) There's also an 8-megapixel front-facing camera for your selfies. What's different is AI software that analyzes the scene and quickly detects if you're shooting a flower, food, a dog, a person. There are 20 options the Note 9's been trained on, including snowflakes, cityscapes, fire, you get it. Then, the camera optimizes white balance, saturation and contrast to make photos pop.

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  1. Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Teun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Which percentage of space and CPU cycles is used by unwanted and unremoveable apps?

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    1. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Depends on your carrier and what they chose to force into the image.

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    2. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by SantiagoMcRib · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm less concerned about that as I am about whether or not the batteries are the explodey type.

    3. Re: Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Short and honest answer is... most of it!

    4. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, the Note 8 had around 16GB used out of the box, of which ~10GB is the OS itself, meaning a meagre 6GB of apps; let's assume the Note 9 is similar. I can't tell you what percentage of those apps are "unwanted and unremoveable", but even if it's the whole 6GB, it's a pretty small proportion of your 128GB.

      Apps don't use any CPU unless they're actually running, so feel free to not run the apps you don't want.

    5. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Zero. Pretty much all of these apps do nothing, and if they do just disable them and Android will prevent them from executing, updating, and doing anything other than using a very small amount of storage space.

    6. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Zero. Pretty much all of these apps do nothing

      Considering that the amount of times Google wanted something from me after an update is non zero that is a fundamentally false statement. Pretty much every Android phone comes with unrelated Google ad and spyware burnt into the OS. Google even got told to dial down its anticompetitive behavior in respect to non Google branded Android phones just recently. Not every Android user wants Google mail, Google voice search, Google app store or anything Google - the free Android base system would do just fine if Google wasn't busy threatening every phone manufacturer with lawyers as if they were the second comming of ORACLE itself.

    7. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Type44Q · · Score: 1

      With Samsungs you measure the percentage that isn't; it requires less digits.

    8. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's still way overpriced and has worse specs than my G7 (which I can use without threat of it bursting into flames).

    9. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 0

      Not really. Any device with a Li-ion battery in it can self-combust. Particularly any device designed to be compact and use significant power.

    10. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except LG doesn't have a track record of phones bursting into flames. Samsung does.

    11. Re:Which percentage is used by unwanted apps? by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Samsung has a model of phone that had a severe design problem that caused self combustion.

      That isn't a 'track record' in general.

  2. ..or by kiviQr · · Score: 4, Informative

    or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

    1. Re:..or by magarity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      The most important thing the Note will do is not have Alexa.

    2. Re:..or by bobbied · · Score: 1

      or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      But, I WANT the actual "fire" feature from my phone.

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    3. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      The most important thing the Note will do is not have Alexa.

      It's still just hardwired spyware from Google, though.

    4. Re:..or by maroberts · · Score: 2

      or you can buy Kindle Fire 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      ..except make phone calls.

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    5. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it probably also has Samsung's version as well

    6. Re:..or by known_coward_69 · · Score: 2

      but it will have two spywares preinstalled instead of one. Google and bixby

    7. Re:..or by wizkid · · Score: 2

      or you can buy Kindle Filre 8.9" for $60 that does 90% of things Note does.

      The most important thing the Note will do is not have Alexa.

      It's still just hardwired spyware from Google, though.

      Actually, in this case it's spyware from Amazon....

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    8. Re:..or by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Does the Kindle Fire have a stylus?

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    9. Re:..or by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Yeah but I prefer having a phone that does those 90% of things today rather than tomorrow when that underpowered piece of shit finally starts responding.

      Also first reply, at least it would have been but it took me 45min to post this from my 386.

    10. Re:..or by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure you can make VOIP calls with it.

    11. Re:..or by Xenx · · Score: 1

      I would think the whole being a cellphone bit would be harder for Kindle Fire to overcome.

    12. Re:..or by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Well, you could carry a cellphone in your pocket that has tethering, and use a VOIP app on the low-end Kindle tablet.

    13. Re:..or by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      Update to a DX. Your 80387sx has a staggering amount of collector's value now, because almost nobody except apparently you was foolish enough to buy one. You can sell it to a collector and probably buy a current i7 processor with the proceeds. Or you could afford a 12 MHz 386DX. Those are rare, too.

    14. Re:..or by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Sure, but then I have to have a cell phone and cell phone plan with tethering. If you only had a cellphone that could place calls, you wouldn't need to carry a cellphone to tether to the kindle.

    15. Re:..or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Almost useless as a "mobile" unless you carry around a mobile hotspot.

  3. Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by shilly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

    1. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wish Windows laptops still shipped with 7.

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    2. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by bobbied · · Score: 2

      Samsung is likely working on an update for this very reason. My Note 5 got a couple of Android versions though the years I owned it.

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    3. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because phones have a 2-3 development and testing time frame and by the time the Note 9 began field tests it was too late to have it ship with pie or wait for pie and delay the testing

    4. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Because they don't know any better.

    5. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's not ideal but it will get the latest version in the next few months and it's not like running the next to last version will prevent you from running any apps. Also most regular Joes don't really care what version of Android their phone is running.
      It's clearly much better on the Apple camp with Apple supporting their hardware for a long time.
      I guess it's the price to pay for having so many manufacturers and devices to choose from.

    6. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I think it falls mainly in testing. The time it takes to get the phone designed and the OS integrated there is a new version out. Thus will always be a racing cycle to make sure you are up with the latest version.

      Apple having full control of everything. May release the next version of iOS with all the specs in mind for their next device. If you troll macrumors you find that people can often predict what features the next phones will have based on what the Beta iOS has in its settings.

      Android doesn't work that way.

      But this is also the Same with most Linux Distributions. Say you have Ubuntu 18.4 and you want PostGreSQL 10. It isn't in the default Apt repository you will need to add a different source to get it installed. Because the Default Apt Repository is for the safest and tested builds.

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    7. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by wizkid · · Score: 1

      Samsung is likely working on an update for this very reason. My Note 5 got a couple of Android versions though the years I owned it.

      I've become disillusioned with samsung phones. They provide updates for a year, and maybe you'll get a update in the second year if a really bad exploit happens. Sometime in the 3rd year, it will start working like crap because the cell phone infrastructure is always changing.
      Google is better for that second year, but....
      Phone manufacturers need to be held responsible to update software for 5 years. They don't want to do that though because they want you to buy a new phone every year.

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    8. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by xack · · Score: 1

      There’s the Thinkpad P50 that still has a Windows 7 option, otherwise you will need to DISM USB3 drivers and use wufuc to get updates on any laptop you want with 7. I have three laptops and one desktop with Windows 7 partitions.

    9. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Pie just launched and there is no way Samsung could have ported and tested everything in just a few days. It will get updated. You wanted it faster? Get a Pixel since Google is managing the software.

    10. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be cheaper than this phone although it most likely would have LESS storage. (128 GB surface book... wtf)

    11. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by jimbo · · Score: 1

      Indeed! My Samsung phone got major OS updates six months+ after the fact and now after three years get no updates at all, even though it's a perfectly fine and fast phone.

      Meanwhile my wife's five year old iPhone 5s is running the latest iOS beta and yes; fast too (once she put in a new battery).

      I' looking at the Pixel 3 next, hoping at least the updates will be timely.

    12. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Kjella · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wish Windows laptops still shipped with 7.

      I wish Microsoft would make an home edition of Win10 Enterprise LTSB and for that they'd pretty much just have to disable domain support. No Edge, no Microsoft Store, no Cortana, ability to turn off all telemetry, 5+5 years of normal/extended support and optional version upgrades every 2-3 years. Seriously, it's 2018 and operating systems are pretty mature technology that don't need upgrades every six months. They have actually improved things under the hood quite a bit since 2009, it's just the "extras" that are killing the appeal. With Chrome/VLC/Steam etc. I don't need Microsoft's tools, I just need something that runs Windows software.

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    13. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Installing it yourself too much trouble?

    14. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Powercntrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because the smartphone industry has become the fashion industry, and the masses only care about having the "latest style", not the best technology. Hence we've got phones with distorted edge displays, notches, locked bootloaders, etc... All because the masses only care about bragging on social media how they just dropped a grand on Samsung or Apple's latest polished turd.

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    15. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

      In fact the right thing would be to be able to install the operating system of your choice on your mobile phone, just as you can install Windows or Linux on a desktop. Of course, this would make you have to worry about things like drivers (or something like that), but in return you would not be at the mercy of the phone manufacturer.

      But thing is, manufacturers love to have full power over your cell phone hardware, especially the part of making it obsolete when they want and thus forcing you to buy a new model.

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    16. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      What choice to we have? I don't want an iPhone, nor a Windows phone. I want a droid. They all come with old software, preinstalled crap you can't uninstall, etc etc.

      Best I can do is ensure it's got a headphone jack and SDCC slot, and I can afford it.

    17. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Snotnose · · Score: 1

      To reply to my own comment, I've got an LG and it seems to get an update a couple times a year. Takes a long time to port/test your stuff to the new Android, so I'm OK with a 6-12 month lag in Android versions.

    18. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Release SW is typically set a few months before shipments - and that was before Pie was ready. Give it a month or two, your carrier will most likely have an update for the SW coming as soon as it's ready.

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    19. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because Android owners are idiots*? The talk about not having time to port/test stuff is ludicrous because the same thing can be said for every other device under the sun that should get updates and does it without the excuse-ridden bullshit. Even if the brand new phone didn't have it pre-installed because of the exact production/distribution schedule, that just means everyone should be getting OTA updates on first startup.

      There's no excuse to buy any phone for $1000 (or any $100) and not expect it to get updates for at least 5 years. We're well beyond any claim that the hardware just couldn't cope with the new system requirements--that's basically an argument that Android is so new that it of course will blow substantially in resources to do common things but isn't far enough along to support modularity in design to avoid issues. Honestly, the performance difference in a lot of phones vary wildly and they're all on the latest (or near latest) version which really undercuts the claim.

      Maybe some day people will call them out on the bullshit? I find it very funny that so many people value their phone over a lot of things, but they take it as a given they'll discard it saving only a tiny fraction of it in a few years. Perhaps that's a good metaphor?

      * I think iPhone owners are even stupider (a close ecosystem), but there's little point in really having a "who's stupider" debate.

    20. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      My Verizon Note 5 still gets updates, and my current Note 8 is updated rather frequently. It's not just Samsung, it's also your carrier...

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    21. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      My Note 5 is still updating,. No way I want Apple's "you don't really own your phone" crap. That's the worst option. I buy something I want to do anything I want with it, and Android is closer to that experience.

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    22. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, the funny thing is that Samsung's Android OS usually comes with features past the same version of Android.

      I, for one, don't care. It will be upgraded in the coming months and meanwhile I'll enjoy many of the features that Pie will have. A few examples include: Split Screen, copy and paste. Both were at least in the version prior if not even before.

    23. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      It's not a who's stupider debate. It's a debate on what a person's purposes are for a phone and whether Android or iPhone meet those purposes or not. For me, iPhone doesn't. I have one that I use as an MP3 player and I can't even control what location the music goes in, and accessing the music even though the music app is messed up if the ID3 tags aren't right. On android, I just plug in USB, load it to a single folder, and play everything in that folder by whichever app I want.

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    24. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but then for the APL camp... the problem is that they have full control of everything.

      i OS 11.1 on a new phone and 11.1 on an old phone isn't the same. Some features are intentionally left out even though they're software based (voice assistant, for example).

      Also factor in that many non-critical bugs are still being fixed on 8 year old phones as Google Play can update built in apps. For idevices, once it falls out of favor, NOTHING gets updated.

    25. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Samsung probably built their entire product line and has it sitting in warehouses throughout their major markets, prior to the Android Pie announcement.

    26. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      People are okay with it because unlike Apple the hardware and software are on different release cycles. It is normal in every land that if you go buy a cutting edge PC or gadget that it won't have the OS that was literally just released to vendors a couple of weeks earlier.

      Also I do have to ask, what are you missing? What is your killer app? What about Android Pie do you think makes it even worthwhile downloading the update when available? Its biggest selling features have been part vendor ROMs as it is anyway and Samsung's variant of 8.1 is far more feature packed than Google's variant of 9.0.

      Take a chill pill, you'll get your coveted number increase soon. Personally I prefer my OS NOT rushed to market.

    27. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No, because we DO know better.

      Here's a list of Android Pie features:

      Adaptive Battery : Samsung has had this for 2 years already.
      Adaptive Brightness : Samsung has had this for 2 years already.
      Adaptive System (e.g. reacts and executes things when you plug stuff in) : Samsung has had this for 2 years already.
      Integration with Apps that causes your personal info to be spammed to 3rd parties like Lyft : DO NOT WANT.
      Switch between apps with gestures : Samsung has had this for 5 years already.
      See which apps you use most : errr. why?
      Set daily limits on your apps : err why?

      Now on the flip side the list of features you get currently with Samsung's variant of Oreo that aren't part of the normal Google Android version are quite extensive including far better split screening, far better security features, and the ability to turn your phone into a desktop.

      Do you get excited about the latest release of Windows 10? Or do you know better and use a more functional OS?

    28. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      On a new laptop? Surely you are kidding? Where would one even get all the drivers?

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    29. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I bought a refurb HP Envy with an i7, 16GB of RAM, and a 500GB SSD, and 4k touchscreen for less than this phone...

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    30. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Straif · · Score: 2

      Being a bit of tech echo chamber, I don't know if some people on here don't realize that the majority of Android phone owners couldn't tell you what version of the OS their phone is running and couldn't care less. If it makes calls and plays their favorite apps then they're all good.

      In fact I would hazard a guess that the majority wouldn't even want to be upgraded to the most recent version if it meant they'd have to adapt to changes to their interface except for those rare occasions where some killer feature is introduced. So a phone being introduced that doesn't have a version of the OS that was only released a couple of days ago is hardly a big deal.

      iPhone users are probably better able to tell you their OS version (well most will just say "I'm on the latest") since if you don't update immediately the phone will beat you into submission until you finally buckle and allow the update.

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    31. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I felt the same about Samsung Galaxy S2 after 3 years, as it became slow, even AFTER UPDATES(last one was after 5 or even 6 years), because it lacked RAM, that Note had, as all those updated OS and apps load and keep more crap in memory.

      Cell phone infrastructure has not changed that much, unless you have a 3G phone and then you don't really need to update it if it still functions ;)

      If you are buying phone every year, you are probably buying new TV each year, too... maybe, just stop breaking screens or something. I have Galaxy Note 4 for 4 years now and before that I had Samsung Galaxy S2 for 5 years. No one buys phone every year, unless they have too much money to spend and spending on new phone is probably least amount on what they spend. Stop spreading this BS nonsense myth! Phone manufacturers know best, that even old phones will change owner and will keep serving someone, because not everyone can afford to spend 1000$ for a first phone and not everyone need all the extras that they provide. My mom would be happy with 3G, if that had skype on it... and sometimes she nags about 2G with physical buttons, because she has Google phone and old people don't have small fingers and I am sick of hearing how crap that phone is. Google phone became nightmare for me in second year, because I've heard enough of complaints about it. And Google phones are crap, compared to what original manufacturer provides.

    32. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or install Linux on the metal and run Win7 in a VM. Works perfectly.

    33. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The manufacturer.

      As others have posted, getting around USB 3 requires some patience, by either modifying the Windows image, or disabling USB3 in the BIOS.

      Once you get 7 installed you'll be surprised what works out of the box. And for stuff that doesn't, the manufacturer will probably have a Win7 compatible driver on their website, even if the device did not ship with 10.

    34. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck, stupid. The end of that post should read "....ship with 7".

      While I'm here I'll add: instead of this fuckery, just install Linux on the metal and use it for everything you can, and run Win7 in a VM for everything else.

    35. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      You won't when you get pwned by a bug that's been fixed in more recent versions.

      No one ever promised you that they would maintain software from 2009 past 2019.

    36. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by guacamole · · Score: 1

      1. It is preposterous to demand that Samsung (or anyone else) releases a brand new device with the version of Android that came out just days or weeks ago because the test and release cycle for the new hardware products is taking MONTHS. Why should Samsung push the release of a new phone down to say November or December just because a few weenies who think they _must_ have the latest version of Android NOW?

      2. The list of changes between subsequent Android releases tiny and insignificant from the perspective of the end user. Sure, the changes between Lollipop and Oreo may have been significant. But going from Nougat or Oreo, all I can recall to change visibly is the picture in picture mode.

       

    37. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      Because software integration takes time. I thought this was a tech site? Why are we getting such stupid questions?

    38. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Alrighty, I would have thought it obvious, but just so we're clear:

      An updated, maintained version of Windows 7. This was meant as a relatable comment on how an older version of an OS can actually be better than a newer version of an OS - don't worry, I'm not trying to freeze us in time. I use Windows 10, and it has some improvements over 7 - but it still has vestiges of the clumsy tablet features that made 8 such an abortion. On the whole, usability is less than 7 (though improving).

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    39. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Over the years, I've adopted a "leave whatever the hell it came with on it" attitude towards laptops. While modifying install images sounds fun, I just accept my fate and run Windows 10.

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    40. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Linux runs in the VM :)

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    41. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile my wife's five year old iPhone 5s is running the latest iOS beta and yes; fast too

      Sometimes I wonder if people just have very different ideas of what fast is than I do.
      My work 6s is so slow on new iOS versions that I've found myself using my personal Android phone more often than it now.
      Battery's been replaced (that wasn't an option- it wouldn't hold a charge for more than about 3 hours of standby)

    42. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by beanpoppa · · Score: 1

      It's not as bad as it would seem to an iPhone user. In iOS, all major Apple apps are tied to the iOS version. New versions of Apple Mail, Calendar, etc are all tied to new versions of iOS. Android is much more modular. So even a user running Android N has the latest version of Gmail, Calendar, Maps, etc. Even subsystems that the user doesn't directly see, like Google Play Services, are updated directly from Google as soon as they come out.

    43. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Bongo · · Score: 1

      My 6 recovered its speed after a complete reset and restore. I guess the storage needed the flashing after having become too full for years.
      I thought I’d need a new phone this year but new battery and reset have made it good for another year.

    44. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by shilly · · Score: 1

      You know what I don't understand? Why you can't read properly: I didn't ask a question, stupid or otherwise. I made an observation. Here's a clue: questions have these things called question marks at the end of them. HTH.

      As for the substance of what you wrote: I understand the rationale. I just don't think it's good enough. Which is what led to my observation.

    45. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by shilly · · Score: 1

      What about security, privacy etc? Whatever the equivalent is of iOS 12's USB Restricted Mode?

    46. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      See which apps you use most : errr. why?
      Set daily limits on your apps : err why?

      Oh no, my device doesn't have ${Feature}!
      Obviously that means ${Feature} doesn't count.....

      Until my device does have feature, then that's why it's the bestest.

    47. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      Get a phone that updates with LineageOS. It solves all the problems outlined in all the threads here: only latest base android, you can install just google play and that's it if you really want and everything else can be considered optional (select pico: https://github.com/opengapps/o...) and you still have a phone that works fast and lean. The issue is drivers and support sadly, the list is very limited.

    48. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      As for the substance of what you wrote: I understand the rationale. I just don't think it's good enough. Which is what led to my observation.

      So what would you rather, the release on other devices be held back for integration on this device? How does that work with 10s of different manufacturers and 100s of new device releases? Because if you accept why there's a staggered rollout, then if you want to unstagger it you have to delay something else? Or you have to do some other magic? What would that be then?

      It's really easy to spout judgements like "it's not good enough" but in the real world you have to pick your compromise. Either put the whole ecosystem on very few, tightly controlled devices and do them simultaneously, or have some staging processes.

    49. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      My 6s is fine. You must be holding it wrong or something.

    50. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The M$ responce to that, honestly, fuck you, fuck your privacy, fuck your control over your computer, do as you are told and shut the fuck up before we shut down you down. They want control over you, over you computer, they want to install what ever software they want, when ever they want. They want to monitor all your use of your computer and scan your hard disk drive when ever they want to.

      M$ already know exactly what their customers want, the M$ response is basically fuck em. M$ want total control over your digital life and even though this way over the top level of arrogance has killed their phone business, they keep pushing it. Not only that, they want to rent this experience to you, so you pay month in and month out or they kill your access to your data.

      M$ are not listening and if they are, the response is fuck you, you'll get what we can force on you via our existing monopoly. They have become a truly loathsome corporation. I doubt I will ever buy another desk top, just keep the current one going for gaming (only buying games on steep discount not worth investing more than that in windows bound games). Probably go for a smarter bigger TV, a tablet to control it and a Linux notebook for all else. Apple ain't tempting without custom desktops.

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    51. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by shilly · · Score: 1

      You could infer what compromise I prefer by how I phrased my original comment.

    52. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      Because OTA update is no big deal, you're only pretending not to know that, right?

      Update on the fly is deep rooted part of the Linux culture, at least Google didn't break that too horribly. But update without reboot is also perfectly possible and normal on a proper Linux distribution, so I have to blow a stupid person raspberry in Google's general direction for that one.

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    53. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      On a new laptop? Surely you are kidding? Where would one even get all the drivers?

      Wow, every now and then a post like yours reminds me just how far Windows has fallen behind Linux.

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    54. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Xenx · · Score: 1

      Pretty much exactly this. I mean, the latest version of Android was officially released 3 days ago. As far as the Note 9 goes, they pretty much did release it with the newest version available at the time the phone was finalized. There might be some room for argument over the s9/s9+ as it only shipped with 8.0 when 8.1 had been out for a few months. But, even then.. I'm sure they'd been working on the OS before the 8.1 release.

      Samsung is improving when it comes to security updates, but they really aren't doing a great job of keeping their new phones up to date otherwise.

    55. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      You're a power user, not a power poseur.

      Big difference.

    56. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      my wife's five year old iPhone 5s is running the latest iOS beta and yes; fast too (once she put in a new battery)

      Of course. Apple has to update old phones to slow them down.

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    57. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Not really. It is just not very important to get a new Android release on day one, in fact as with any OS it makes a whole lot more sense to git it a couple more months and get the .1 release. I for one don't take any marks off at all for going back one release on a flagship to give the developers a bit more time to work out the wrinkles. Quite the contrary.

      Your fashion analogy is really just the opposite of what's happening here.

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    58. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Win10 LTSB is available for home computers easily and conveniently on virtually any torrent site. To have any ethical reservations on getting it that way, with everything MS has done, is silly.

    59. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Xenx · · Score: 1

      As someone working ISP(email) tech support, I can assure you... iPhone users aren't any better at knowing what version. I'll even ask if they're on the latest version and they act like a deer in headlights. I always just have to give up and have them check whether they have Accounts & Passwords under settings.

    60. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by farble1670 · · Score: 1

      I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      Android trades standardization for diversity.

      The only way to not have a situation like this is to standardize hardware, like Apple. If you like Apple and are happy with their hardware and price, great. If you want a 4k screen, dual SIMs, a ridiculously large battery, a $200 budget phone, dual screens, modular components, a headphone jack, a built in shaver, a 3" screen, a built in projector, a satellite phone, or some other particular hardware, you look to Android.

      Android is just a base, in the form of source code. Manufacturers start with AOSP, or a drop of AOSP from their preferred chip vendor (is the Note Qualcomm?). Then they spend 6+ months writing drivers and making customizations and stabilizing it for their device. When Google announces the release of Android P, that's the SOURCE. it means that manufacturers can *start* porting. Some preferred OEMs may get it earlier... but not much.

    61. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      No, I need it to Skype my cat.

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    62. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't try to install Linux on a brand-new laptop, either, unless I knew all the features were supported.

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    63. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not quite true. Use a custom VPN and block Apple hosts in dns like I do. No more OS updates (I'm still on 9.3) nd when a new image occasionally leaks in just delete the image in Storage settings.

    64. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't try to install Linux on a brand-new laptop, either, unless I knew all the features were supported.

      Right, I usually google to check that somebody else is already running Linux on it. But not always. A Wintel PC generally just works these days, including power management, video, etc. Sometimes you need to wait for somebody to post drivers for things like oddball special keys. On the whole, Linux hardware support makes Windows look really lame now.

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    65. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Coming soon Android Q: Feature that lets owners slap themselves really hard. I suggest you get it.

    66. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Samsung phones are easy to unlock and install your own OS. There are plenty of options if you want to run something like Lineage or roll your own OS.

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    67. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I need it to Skype my cat.

      Instead of a power user or a power poseur, turns out he needed it for a power pussy.

    68. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Win10 LTSB is available for home computers easily and conveniently on virtually any torrent site. To have any ethical reservations on getting it that way, with everything MS has done, is silly.

      Those torrent versions can come with the malware pre installed.

      I'd rather have Linux

    69. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux runs in the VM :)

      Yeah so swap the order around, put Windows in a VM running on a Linux host. You'll have far fewer problems that way

    70. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

      Is not the same thing. As an example I can not install Android 9 on my Galaxy S7, I'll depend on Samsung or Google making a compatible version.

      (it's true that I can do some hacks and try to incorporate the necessary drivers myself, but it's not trivial and depends on a thorough knowledge about how Android and the target hardware works)

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    71. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      Wow you're really mad someone said a bad thing about Samsung.

    72. Re: Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Only if you went shopping for Linux-compatible hardware. I have some random laptop from HP - if all the bits and pieces have Linux drivers I'd be the luckiest man alive.

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    73. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I Googled it for shits and giggles and it's the usual thing - some people saying it works and other people complaining about Wifi or some other peripheral. I think I'll just stick to the factory OS on this one and keep Linux in its VBox. Windows even has a Linux subsystem these days, though I can't say I've used it for much other than "Yay, bash!" If I'm trying to kill a rainy weekend or something I'll try dual booting. Most of my home hobby Linux time is spent on Raspberry Pis. At work they put it in a VM as a standard development environment.

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    74. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Well done.

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    75. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      No. I am just mad at general stupidity. Are you on the latest Windows 10 yet? Gotta get that latest killer telemetry because all features are must have right?

      Also you didn't say anything bad about Samsung so I have no idea what you're on about.

    76. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Merk42 · · Score: 1

      No. I am just mad at general stupidity. Are you on the latest Windows 10 yet?

      Yes at work. Though I run Linux at home (and yes, the most recent version of that distro)

      Gotta get that latest killer telemetry because all features are must have right?

      Are you trying to make this into a "everything new is bad" argument?

      Also you didn't say anything bad about Samsung so I have no idea what you're on about.

      True, I said it about its users.

      I originally said "they don't know any better" because the new versions of Android aren't advertised.

      So, my apologies, I guess I should have said "they don't know any better" or "are raging fanboys thinking Samsung is the best at everything, and anything not Samsung is utter garbage. Anyone else thinking otherwise is wrong for having a differing opinion."

    77. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      I guess if the sum-total is "I liked the UI in 7 more than 8 or 10", sure, I can accept that's your opinion on the UI. But an OS is much more then a UI, and saying it's "better" as an OS is mistaking that small part for the whole.

      Also, I don't think an updated/maintained version of 7 would be better because there were architectural improvements (security/perf/reliability) since then and because doing so would siphon engineering and testing resources that could be put to use on modern version.

    78. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I can buy that. I have never wiped it. I'm using ~120G on it, mostly in pictures and iMessage.

    79. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this is normal in Android land, but I don't understand why people are OK with it.

      Name one feature from Android 9 you want on your 8.2 phone? Hardware support is the main reason for new Android releases.

    80. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This time Samsung abandoned device even before it was in stores. Earlier they abandoned stuff only when new model arrived.

    81. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I Googled it for shits and giggles and it's the usual thing - some people saying it works and other people complaining about Wifi or some other peripheral.

      Well you are much too smart for that, you would Google to make sure existing users report that all important functionality is supported. I on the other hand, am not that smart, these days I just go ahead and do it and fix what breaks. Usually nothing. The last three laptops in a row everything worked perfectly. Keep in mind that people only post if something breaks, not if it works perfectly.

      More often than not I install onto a laptop that was bought to run Windows and just gathered dust after a brief flurry of use. People don't use laptops much these days, you see. You browse on your phone and the rest is mainly school or biztrips. Remember when everybody on the train had a laptop bag? Bygone days.

      I don't bother with dual boot any more, I just pull out the Windows disk and put in a nicer one for the Linux install. I put aside the original disk, thinking that I might need to run Windows sometime. But that never happens, in every case I eventually just formatted the Windows disk and put it back to use. I suppose I could just image the disk onto a big HDD to run under KVM if I cared, maybe I will do that next time.

      If you are having wifi troubles with Linux, chances are it's Atheros. This has been a solved issue for some time, but you need to load the firmware. If you don't, it kinda works, but disconnects a lot. I struggled with that a bit myself with a USB wifi dongle that I distinctly remember working in the past with Ubuntu. That is because Ubuntu automatically installed a binary driver for it. Debian doesn't hold your hand on that, I needed to look in the kernel log to see what was breaking.

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    82. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'm not really arguing your points, but for me it's just not worth the time. Like I said, if I have a rainy weekend to kill or something I might but otherwise it's just not worthwhile to me. I get plenty of Linux time in the VM and on the Raspberry Pis. If I needed Linux to have direct HW access to the laptop it'd be a different story, but mostly that isn't the case.

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    83. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I use both 7 and 10 on a daily basis, and I can authoritatively say that I'm more productive in 7, even though the hardware is older and slower. With that said, 10 continues to improve and eventually my 7 machine will die. 8 was an abortion (my 7 machine had 8 on it for a year before the drive mercifully died and prompted me to install 7). And again, this all distracts from my point, which is simply that one can prefer an older version of the OS. Even if this is not true from 10 to 7, it was certainly true from 8 to 7 or from Vista to XP, or XP to 2000, or ME to 98. Hell, the first version of OSX was pitiful compared to late OS9 versions.

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    84. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I'm not really arguing your points, but for me it's just not worth the time.

      Not really arguing your points either, they are a matter of your perception. However "worth the time"... what time? You make it sound like Linux takes more time than Windows, which isn't true. Maybe a long time ago it was, not sure about that, but today the time you save by not having any such thing as "Patch Tuesday", by itself, tips the balance in favor of Linux. Not to mention, the machine starts faster, runs raster, never crashes... time is money.

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    85. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Are you trying to make this into a "everything new is bad" argument?

      Not at all. I listed several features that are good but were already existing in vendor ROMs that have just been incorporated to upstream Android. That said not everything new is good.

      And this isn't even directed at Android. This whole "help the user to stop using their phone" garbage feature is just as garbage on Apple's latest iOS as well.

    86. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      It does take more time to install if the laptop was preinstalled with Windows. It's Windows: 0, Linux 0 + n. If the hard drive dies we'll revisit - that's how one of my other PCs went from 8 -> 7.

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    87. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      It does take more time to install if the laptop was preinstalled with Windows. It's Windows: 0, Linux 0 + n. If the hard drive dies we'll revisit - that's how one of my other PCs went from 8 -> 7.

      You configure the bios to boot from USB first, you're going to fiddle with bios settings anyway, so Linux 1, Windows 1. You boot from USB. You're going to boot anyway, so Linux 1 Window 1. You answer a few questions the go do something else for an hour while the packages download over the net. It installs itself in just a few minutes because it's a flash disk. Linux 1, Windows 0. Windows updates itself when you boot, making itself unusable. Linux 0, Windows 1. Patch Tuesday arrives and Windows is now ahead of Linux in downtime. There is only one install but there are many Patch Tuesdays, so Linux wins on not wasting your time. You know this.

      Then after that, Microsoft spies on you, Linux does not, unless you explicitly enroll for package popularity, in which case it respectfully stays away from all your data except package installs. Windows is just plain nasty. You know this.

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    88. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 1

      One of our cats is deaf. He does respond to gestures, though. But it's difficult to skype him because he isn't always interested in looking at the computer screen.

    89. Re:Brand new phone, but OS isn't up to date by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Well, now you lost me. I have no idea how you are adding up that time. Patch Tuesday just happens in the background. Linux also needs to be updated... not seeing a big difference here. Dicking around with the laptop for a half day or so isn't high on my list right now, that's all. I just want it to work. Like you say, if I find myself dicking with it anyway, then maybe I'll try to load Linux while I'm at it.

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  4. Its going to be a hot phone... Fire Sale! by bobbied · · Score: 0

    Sorry, couldn't resist..

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  5. 1000 by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I won't even buy a desktop computer for $1000.

    1. Re:1000 by swb · · Score: 1

      Is that because you can't because it would eat up too much of your income? Or is it that you easily could, but won't because off some missing utility value to you?

      I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

    2. Re:1000 by kiviQr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      $20k rollex shows time the same way $20 timex does. To some people it is disposable income to some it is a choice what to do with it (invest, travel, etc.).

    3. Re:1000 by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      That is good to hear.
      Luckily for you there is a wide range of phones with different pricing and features.

      For some they want what the Note 9 has and are willing to pay for it. Other may need less and want to pay more.

      Free Market Economy for the win. I know people with Flip phones, and they are not getting hunted down by the Smart Phone Police to upgrade.

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    4. Re:1000 by iampiti · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      I bought a then-pretty-new Galaxy S2 in 2011 for about 550 €. My last phone cost 270€. I just can't justify spending 800+ € on a phone when there're others that cost 300€ and do 99% of things the expensive ones do. I just don't see the point.
      I some day smartphones use a "real" OS (regular Linux for example) and I were to use them as a primary computing device (i.e. a PC) I would spend more on a more powerful device.

    5. Re:1000 by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 2

      That $20 Timex is the better time keeper with its quartz movement over the mechanical movement of the Rollex. If going for mechanical movement watches there are plenty of better options than Rollex. People buy a Rollex to show off a Rollex.

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    6. Re:1000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a matter of degrees. $1000 is enough that almost anyone cares about burning or at least not being a chump sucker. (If you don't care then you're either not going to keep having disposable income for long, or else you need to move up to wondering if $5000 phones are worth it.) Throw in other hobbies (are you spending disposable income on a mid-life-crisis car too?) and it's just another game of tetris within the big fractal game of life. Expensive-vs-cheap are just a matter of which part of your life you're addressing.

      One thing is for sure, though: however you measure value, a $1000 phone gets you less-per-dollar than a cheaper one. That doesn't make it a bad choice, but for some people it's really hard to ignore obvious diminishing-returns problems. That's when you start to notice that it's even a downgrade in some ways (e.g. the "notch"). Then everything gets fuzzy.

    7. Re:1000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

      Wow, what a short sighted mind you have if those are the only reasons you can think of.

      I can easily afford to blow $1000 on a new phone, but I won't.
      It's also not a 'lack of utility' , my current 4 yr old phone does all I want from a phone, so why should I splurge $1000 on another phone ? Sure, it may have more features, more storage yadda yadda, but to me that's like saying I should swap my current car for a Lamborghini with a built in cement mixer... what's the point apart from pretentious bragging rights ?

    8. Re:1000 by Powercntrl · · Score: 1

      The only reason to drop $1k on a phone is if you're too impulsive to wait for a sale. It usually isn't long before there's some sort of promotion, especially around Black Friday.

      Personally, the thing that keeps me from buying a new smartphone (regardless of the cost) is that I'm still satisfied with my current phone.

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    9. Re:1000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that because you can't because it would eat up too much of your income?

      Going for some poor shaming? Poor people buy expensive luxuries by saving or borrow.

      Or is it that you easily could, but won't because off some missing utility value to you?

      And now some too-stupid-to-be-rich shaming? One would hope that people who can easily buy expensive things would recognize they're expensive things. More generally, one would hope that every would do a cost/benefit analysis of utility value of things.

      I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

      Utility is not absolute. It varies by time, person, and circumstance. One who does a reasonable analysis of their own utility value of a thing would be reasonably considered thrifty. Yes, the less disposable income you have the more likely you are to not see sufficient utility in an expensive item, but that's not a universal truth or a lot less people would strive to own cars or houses. So, put simply, you're too much presuming that it's an either or. If anything, it's several different curves that represent intersections involving a good many properties representing various populations of people.

      tl;dr - Finding out what one person's position is isn't very useful. If you're truly interested, you'd do a survey asking a lot of questions and you might receive some real insight.

    10. Re:1000 by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 1

      I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

      "Not spending $1000 on a phone" is not being thrifty, it's just not being stupid.

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    11. Re:1000 by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Is that because you can't because it would eat up too much of your income? Or is it that you easily could, but won't because off some missing utility value to you?

      I see so many of these "I won't spend $x on a phone" posts and I'm never sure if people are just thrifty or if they're dressing up lack of disposable income as thrift or some kind of insight into lack of utility.

      Is that an actual question?

      Like all economic actors, I won't trade $1000 for something that doesn't seem worth $1000 to me.

      A phone is less important to me than a desktop, so generally speaking, I am unwilling to spend more on a phone than on a desktop. And I can get a desktop that does what I want for much less than $1000.

      In any case, the Moto E4 that I got for $100 last year does everything that I want quite nicely.

      I probably have more "disposable" income left over than most people who buy $1000 phones, because I don't dispose of it quite as freely as they do, lol

    12. Re:1000 by swillden · · Score: 1

      I won't even buy a desktop computer for $1000.

      That makes sense. Most people use their phone a lot more than they use a desktop.

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    13. Re:1000 by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      Damn. My last desktop cost $2200, and my last laptop $2300.
      Are your desktops used for little more than browsing?

    14. Re:1000 by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      I'd love to hear how perceived value of a mobile computing and telephony device differing from your own is a measure of intelligence.

    15. Re:1000 by rsborg · · Score: 1

      $20k rollex shows time the same way $20 timex does. To some people it is disposable income to some it is a choice what to do with it (invest, travel, etc.).

      People who buy Rolexes usually see it as an investment - in 10 years it's easy to recoup most of the $20k you spent, if not have a gain to show for it. Also it's used as a way to move large amounts of money using fake invoices to launder money: https://thevelvetrocket.com/20...

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    16. Re:1000 by guacamole · · Score: 1

      That's fine. The Samsung Note series focus on delivering state of art technology and user experience. It's the Mercedes-Benz S-class of smartphones. You don't have to buy it, but it does remain oh so desirable regardless.

    17. Re: 1000 by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      I use my shoes more than either my phone or desktop. But I don't spend $1000 on my shoes either.

    18. Re: 1000 by cascadingstylesheet · · Score: 1

      Eh, browsing, word processing, point and click games, scanning, etc. So no, nothing too taxing. Usually. I played a bit with visual studio on it. Performance was pedestrian but acceptable. I work from home on it but I remote desktop to a more powerful work computer.

    19. Re:1000 by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      I won't spend $1,000 on a computer because I can build one that meets my needs for less. There is such a thing as "good enough".

      I paid about $300 for my Moto X Pure, it does everything I need. I have even done software releases on it using an SSH client. Why would I spend any more than necessary? Just because I have thousands of dollars in disposable income each month doesn't mean I'm okay with pissing it away.

    20. Re:1000 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      I won't even buy a desktop computer for $1000.

      I will, because time is money. In fact that's just the parts cost these days since I got into my own builds. Next build will be $2000 parts cost because it will be a top of the line Threadripper 2. You could even go crazy and do an overclocked 64 core (upcoming) Epyc on EATX but that's where I draw the line. No problem at all with dropping $2K on a box that delivers the value.

      A phone is a different story: what is exactly is the payback for the flagship tax, particularly knowing that this year's flagship is next year's also ran?

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    21. Re: 1000 by swillden · · Score: 1

      I use my shoes more than either my phone or desktop. But I don't spend $1000 on my shoes either.

      You spend more time with your shoes on your feet, but very little actively interacting with them. Unless you don't know how to tie shoelaces very well, I guess.

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    22. Re: 1000 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, my penis is huge. I don't need a $1K phone to impress.

    23. Re:1000 by sad_ · · Score: 1

      certainly not for a system that is not 100% open.

      and what about those new samsung watches? +$300, what the hell...

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    24. Re: 1000 by DamnOregonian · · Score: 1

      My boss was a proponent of the same thing.
      "Just use your work computer, that's what I do!"

      I will say that my $400 Asus i3 13" laptop does "the job" just fine for most things, where most things for me is pretty much "run chrome".
      For development, my i7 is definitely a lot nicer, and was worth the money (for me)

  6. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Another phone with a locked bootloader and full of bloatware and spyware, not to mention the stupid long screen format.

  7. Usual Samsung delay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually the delay with samsung is from them adding their bloatware, and messing with the kerbnel to make competing apps not work well.

  8. Finally, phones can be offline music players by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    a full terabyte of space

    I normally don't care much about phone storage, as usually even the smallest/cheapest phones have gluttonous overkill amounts of storage for doing typical phone things.

    Note the qualifier there. The big exception is media: whether you want to store video on it (not my use case so I don't really think about it much) or music (which is very important to me).

    It looks like phones are getting to the point where they can actually be good music players even when you don't have network connectivity. The big excuse phone makers have always made for not having hard disks (even though portable devices 15 years ago did have hard disks), is that you can just read your music off the network. And for lots of people in lots of places, that really is a realistic approach. But not so good on a rural car drive, and I'm sure you can think of other cases where getting music from the network is a no-go.

    Then people split on how much storage is enough for a music collection. Everyone can afford to be flexible on this too; if it can't store your collection of FLACs, it could still maybe store a derivative in some lossy codec (at the cost of syncing complexity). And obviously we all have different size collections; there's no one right answer.

    But anyway, a terabyte just happens to be about the right figure for me. The S9 should be a usable music player, on par (except updated in some ways, e.g. this is solid state instead of a winchester) with the music players of the early '00s.

    But a thousand dollars. That's the part that doesn't make sense. I think I'll wait 4-6 months, for when $225 phones have caught up. And you know they will.

    Anyway, though, it's good news. Handheld computer solid state storage hitting 1TB is a very nice milestone, IMHO. A lot of my gripes about our retarded technology over the last decade are about to get wiped out. Cheers! *clink*

    1. Re:Finally, phones can be offline music players by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Keeping your music in FLAC format on a smartphone is simply a waste of very expensive storage. 320kbit mp3 will use 10 times less storage and won't make any difference to your perception of sound quality.

    2. Re:Finally, phones can be offline music players by guacamole · · Score: 1

      On top of that, I doubt that cheap phones will catch up as fast as you wish, unless you're talking about some kind of refurbished or gray market phones. For example, most or all of the new 2018 200-300 dollar phones still use the ancient A53 ARM cores from 2015 and still haven't caught up with the performance of the 2014 flagship phones like LG2 or LG G3 that used Krait-based Snapdragon 800 SoCs. Yes, they're still fast enough to browse the web or send messages.

  9. Seems a bit early to complain about that, no? by supremebob · · Score: 1

    I mean, Android Pie was just formally released a few days ago. Samsung customizes the OS quite a bit, so I wouldn't think it fair to expect it to show up on their phones for another 3 or 4 months.

    1. Re:Seems a bit early to complain about that, no? by Merk42 · · Score: 2

      I mean, Android Pie was just formally released a few days ago. Samsung customizes the OS quite a bit, so I wouldn't think it fair to expect it to show up on their phones for another 3 or 4 months.

      That's not good either. Not that the average Samsung customer knows or cares.

    2. Re:Seems a bit early to complain about that, no? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not bad either. Preinstall software components like Google Play, Samsung Pay, the Camera, etc apps are updated outside major OS upgrades.

      Samsung and many other device manufacturers add additional features over-and-above the baseline Android version, so you're ahead of the game anyway. It's not something most people who don't use the device's features notice, so I don't blame you for not knowing this.

  10. What a waste of a grand.. by LVSlushdat · · Score: 0

    I guess if you're one of those who MUST have the latest/greatest of EVERYthing, and you have money to BURN, this could be considered a good deal, but I sure the hell don't.. My phone is a well-used rooted Nexus 5, that I bought for $65 on Glyde, and it uses the Ting MVNO, that saves me a lot of $$$ on monthly charges. I guess to each his own...

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    1. Re:What a waste of a grand.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My phone is a well-used rooted Nexus 5...

      Mine's a stock Nexus 5 and I remain happy with it. If Google or somebody else would release a new revision with updated hardware specs and comparable features at a similar price to the original, I'd consider buying it, but I see no burning need to blow over $1000 on a replacement, no matter how shiny.

    2. Re:What a waste of a grand.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes this is the rich white mans phone.

    3. Re:What a waste of a grand.. by bobbied · · Score: 1

      I guess if you're one of those who MUST have the latest/greatest of EVERYthing, and you have money to BURN, this could be considered a good deal, but I sure the hell don't.. My phone is a well-used rooted Nexus 5, that I bought for $65 on Glyde, and it uses the Ting MVNO, that saves me a lot of $$$ on monthly charges. I guess to each his own...

      Have you seen the price of Apple's flagship phone lately?

      It is suspiciously similar to the Samsung Note 9 price.. Imagine that.. I'm guessing that's what the market will pay.

      That you don't mind running the older, less capable phones is fine, but some folks like to be more on the top end. If they can afford it, fine.

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  11. Good Job, Samsung! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 0

    They are UNBELIEVABLY incompetent and uncaring.

    There is nothing else to say about a ridiculous, anti-consumer Dickish move like this; done JUST to beat Apple by a few weeks. And that is ALL it is.

    Apple needs to make that iOS "Event" date more random, JUST to fuck with Samsung!

    1. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      They are UNBELIEVABLY incompetent and uncaring.

      There is nothing else to say about a ridiculous, anti-consumer Dickish move like this; done JUST to beat Apple by a few weeks. And that is ALL it is.

      Apple needs to make that iOS "Event" date more random, JUST to fuck with Samsung!

      *tries to work out what you're complaining about*

      Nope... no I don't get it. Could you be more explicit?

    2. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      They are UNBELIEVABLY incompetent and uncaring.

      There is nothing else to say about a ridiculous, anti-consumer Dickish move like this; done JUST to beat Apple by a few weeks. And that is ALL it is.

      Apple needs to make that iOS "Event" date more random, JUST to fuck with Samsung!

      *tries to work out what you're complaining about*

      Nope... no I don't get it. Could you be more explicit?

      Apple has, for several years now, announced their new Phones (and sometimes other products) at an "Event" that is typically held in September.

      Samsung rushed the Note 9 to Market to get a few weeks of "media buzz" before the new iPhone announcement crushes their sales again.

      And before anyone puffs their chest out about Samsung's unit phone sales compared with Apple's, please do a little research so you won't embarrass yourselves.

    3. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      OK... Not incompetent, anti consumer, uncaring or anything though is it? Just marketing jostling.

    4. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      OK... Not incompetent, anti consumer, uncaring or anything though is it? Just marketing jostling.

      I'll give you "Not incompetent"; but the rest stands.

      And I assume that you agree with my original premise that the release date was done to specifically "beat" Apple's iOS "Event".

      Here is some independent "Proof" that, ever since at least 2012, Apple has a predictable iPhone Event in early September (It seems like iPads are generally released at their own Event in October) :

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      As I said, IMHO, Apple should mix-it-up a bit, both to simply fuck with Samsung (and possibly others), and to avoid the "Osborne Effect" with their current (outgoing) iPhones/iPads. And THAT's "Marketing", too...

    5. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      It's a date. In time. Stop with the Apple persecution complex.

      I suppose you also believe that Googles Pixel events, being after Apple's, is Apple trying to fuck with Google. No? I didn't think so.

    6. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      It's a date. In time. Stop with the Apple persecution complex.

      I suppose you also believe that Googles Pixel events, being after Apple's, is Apple trying to fuck with Google. No? I didn't think so.

      Nice try; but no.

      Pixel isn't even a blip on iPhone Sales, and is simply a competitor. Samsung is an arch-enemy.

      Everything is a date. In time. But if you look at Samsung's new model releases over the past several years, I will bet you will see a similar pattern. After 2011, they are ALWAYS (except for one "downgraded" model, the Galaxy 3 Neo) Released within a week or two of Apple's September iPhone Event.

      Now, prove me wrong.

      Oh, wait: You can't:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    7. Re:Good Job, Samsung! by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      I'm not trying to prove you wrong, I don't think you're wrong in that they're aligning their marketing. It's not surprising. But how that has any effect on the consumer, or how is it somehow 'uncaring', or whatever hysterics you're attaching.

      I just don't care... and I don't understand why you do. You know Apple are still doing fine, right?

  12. They do by DogDude · · Score: 1

    They certainly do. The market is flooded with refurbs with Windows 7.

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    1. Re:They do by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      That seems a bit pedantic, but yeah, OK, I wish current generation hardware was commonly available with Windows 7.

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    2. Re:They do by DogDude · · Score: 1

      In all honesty, what's the difference between a laptop made today and one made 5 years ago? Is there a difference?

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    3. Re:They do by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Mostly power consumption and battery life, as well as memory and pixel density. If you are plugged in you may or may not notice a difference due to the increase in core count. It was hard (impossible?) to find more than 8 GB of ram in a laptop 5 years ago unless you got one of those "desktop replacement" behemoths. 4k screens are now common, but only Apple and a few copycats had them 5 years ago - and Windows was terrible on them until an update bout 4 months ago. USB 3 is not also standard on most high-end laptops, and would not have been available 5 years ago. The pace has definitely slowed, but 5 years is still a long time.

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  13. No Google by DogDude · · Score: 1

    I want to buy a phone without Google on it. Does anybody sell a phone with a spyware-free OS?

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    1. Re:No Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple

    2. Re:No Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Siri exists, try again.

    3. Re:No Google by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Here are some phones and devices that LineageOS - and you don't have to load any Google apps.

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    4. Re:No Google by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Siri exists, try again.

      But you can disable it.

      https://ios.gadgethacks.com/ho...

      Try again, yourself.

    5. Re:No Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pick any Android phone, then disable Google services in the Application Manager and never sign in if you're uncomfortable with Google having your info.

      Seems easy enough.

    6. Re:No Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You realize Android itself is Google spyware, right?

    7. Re:No Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've tried CyanogenMod on Samsung Galaxy S2 and these were main things, that I did not liked:
      1. Lack of MP3 player, that was comparable to Samsung music player. VLC was not an option at that time and Samsung Music is still better at some things.
      2. Terrible UI compared to Samsung. Probably there was no difference between basic Android. Just small things.
      3. It is still Android(owned by Google) and all the stuff that comes along, so there is not that much difference for someone who would not like to have to deal with Android issues. I would rather look for something, that would offer Linux phone, that would operate as a phone/laptop hybrid... without any extras and apps smartphones are offering.

  14. Bixby by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But will it have Bixby, the "lovable, non-removable" assistant?

  15. .6 Inches by Zorro · · Score: 2

    Make it .6 Inches bigger and call it Nexus 7 Model 3.

  16. F* That by Improbus · · Score: 1

    I bought a Note 8. It is a fine phone. I WILL NOT, however, pay that much for a phone again. Not even for a Note phone. You can get everything in a Note phone but the pen and it is hundreds of dollars cheaper.

    1. Re:F* That by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I use the stylus in my Note 5 regularly. My hands are just to big to comfortably use the keyboard on it, except for very minimal texts etc.

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  17. Better come with... by thedarb · · Score: 1

    5 year warranty, 5 year guaranteed updates to android latest and patches, a dog and all it's shots.

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    1. Re:Better come with... by bobbied · · Score: 1

      5 year warranty, 5 year guaranteed updates to android latest and patches, a dog and all it's shots.

      And a fire extinguisher to put out the battery fires? Yea, I know. You want to Bash Samsung... But consider their competition...

      Apple's flagship phone offering is a dollar less, it comes with ONE year warranty and will likely be supported for at least 5 years with ever slower releases of IOS being released until you get tired of it and upgrade. Everybody has their issues.

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  18. -Bixby by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    ...non-removable...

    You can disable Bixby. I have.

    I do wish I could find a way to re-purpose the dedicated button, though. It's just wasted real estate now.

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  19. What am I missing here? by mschuyler · · Score: 1

    What will this phone do that an S4 won't? If I had it to do over again I would get more memory, I admit, but does this new phone actually have abilities that the old phone does not? I know it has better cameras and all that, but what is the killer app that would make me want this new phone?

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    1. Re:What am I missing here? by guacamole · · Score: 1

      Gee, first you admit that this Note device is superior to your ancient S4. Then you proceed to ask why would you want to upgrade from the S4. I guess if you don't care about having a modern up to date Android version, better screen, better camera, fingerprint sensor, bigger and faster storage and memory, stateofart SoC, new large capacity battery, modern USB interface, etc etc, then you can continue using the ancient S4. At this point you don't even need to seek the Note. Even a cheap chinaphone will dominate it too.

  20. no way by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    There's no way I'm paying twice as much for my next phone. Fuck $1000 phones!

  21. App Compatibility by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I picked up an Essential on Prime day for $250 and I could brag that it's 4 / 128, all day battery, running Pie right now, but I'm not updating it's because there's a really good chance that some of the apps that I use every day are not going to work. It would be nice if everything just automatically worked on the bleeding edge, but that's not how it actually goes. If Samsung pushes out an update in one to two months, that may be the best thing for its customers.

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  22. Why? Their $160 base smartphones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seem plenty capable to me. Plus you can just buy the damn thing rather than finance it.

  23. Dumb by farble1670 · · Score: 1

    It's almost like you can pickup Android P in a day and port it entirely over to a new device in a matter of weeks!

  24. Where do you want to go today? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The M$ responce to that, honestly, fuck you, fuck your privacy, fuck your control over your computer, do as you are told and shut the fuck up before we shut down you down. They want control over you, over you computer, they want to install what ever software they want, when ever they want. They want to monitor all your use of your computer and scan your hard disk drive when ever they want to.

    Where do you want to go today?
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  25. Note 3/4 Were Best Notes by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    As a Note 3/4/5/8 owner, I feel the 3 and the 4 were the best.

    The Note 3/4.
    Had flat screens, which are more practical.
    Had 16x9 aspect ratio, which made more sense than the Note 8 screen.
    Had home button.
    Had flash.
    Had user replaceable batteries.
    Were lighter.
    Pens didn't ruin phone.
    No fires.

    Samsung has lost its way, and now only caters to gageteers.

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  26. I don't fucking want one by nagora · · Score: 1

    When my s5 finally dies, or someone steals it or whatever, I just want a new S5. Preferably with an OS that's been patched for security reasons.

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  27. $1000 Dollar Phone that will end up being worth $0 by The+Black+Oak · · Score: 1

    If you can use the phone without Samsung software on it the value would go back up, but as of now, to me, it's worth nothing except for the metals you can salvage from melting down it's circuitry.

  28. Smartphone?! More like a ... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Smartphone?! More like a Personal Augmenter.
    VR/AR abilities are coming very soon.
    Then, corporate/government (indistinguishable by then) "Big Brother" control kicks-in with full ferocity!

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