iPhone has youtube and pandora among many other apps that have very high network usage. sort of shoots a hole into the theory that AT&T is rejecting based on potential network overload.
android is in version 2.1 and was first released on a phone over a year ago. there are at least 7 different phone models running it across all the major (US) carriers. it's not 1.0.
if you would be willing to do a little research you'd find that there are ways to get around that. i have my G1 sitting in front of me without a SIM card at all, and with fill wifi access. before this i used the phone for 4 months with a voice only plan. my wife's iphone has had a voice-only SIM in it for half a year now.
for android, all you need to do is borrow a friend's SIM for about 60 seconds. go through the initial phone setup, and you are done. remove the data SIM and re-insert your voice only SIM. if you don't have access to a data SIM, enable data on your service, then cancel it when you are done. the provide should prorate and charge you for the time you had it enabled.
yes i agree the above should not be required. no reason other than providers want to sell data plans.
note that the date is january 4, and the phone was released on january 5. it's pretty typical to leak a few devices before the official launch to get reviews out. that, and it's well known that google employees has the devices weeks before january 5.
i bought an unlocked N1 the second it was released. it's been working great i'm very happy with it. zero bugs and zero crashes so far. note that no review of the many that i read before i purchased the phone had anything significant to complain about let alone bugs or stability problems.
i'm fairly certain google and t-mo are not releasing the number and details of their support calls. i have no doubt that *some* support calls are being fielded, and some users are unhappy. here's the "proof" from the PCWorld article,
More than 425 comments are listed on a thread about service eligibility issues. Some of them are from people who say that they ought to be eligible for the subsidized price of the phone but the Google sales site says they aren't. Many others are simply complaining of a policy that requires even longtime T-Mobile customers to pay more for the phone than new customers.
translation: people are complaining that the phone costs too much.
it's not a beta phone. it's a 2.1 release, a minor update to 2.0 which has been shipping for some time on the motorola droid, on a mobile OS that first released 2 years ago. HTC is the first and most experienced android phone manufacturer.
there are at least three other solid android phones with a keyboard. motorola droid is one of them, and the reviews i've read rate it at least equivalent to the N1.
Apple is the one big exception, and even they also offer an unlocked option.
not really. you can buy an iphone without a contract, but you can't buy one that will work on a carrier other than AT&T. that's not unlocked, and that's the point. iphone is the competition, and google's business model is very different than the AT&T <> apple perversion.
the iphone is loved, but AT&T is hated. their message is "don't like AT&T? move over to android and get a phone on par with the iphone and choose your carrier." they don't have to beat the apple / iphone itself.
so they have 6 more months to build up market share before the playing field is leveled and the iphone moves to other carriers, probably at the same time the iphone 4 is released.
google has never made claimed homage to mr. dick. the word nexus does have a meaning beyond an imaginary android product line,
a form of connection
a connected group
the center of something
claiming that "nexus" even refers to mr. dick's book seems weak to me. it's been a long time since i read the book, but i don't recall it referring specifically to anything called a "nexus one". it refers to the "nexus line" of androids, and specifically the "nexus 6" model.
android has inherent advantages over iphone OS, including,
any app can run in the background
widgets
customizable desktop
removable storage
user serviceable battery (ok, not part of android, but every android phone has this)
relatively open market, not bound to a single market, can install app from anywhere
live wallpaper (new in 2.1)
i have both an iphone and an android phone. i like android better, in theory. the problem has been the hardware up to this point. whether or not the N1 solves this remains to be seen.
but yes, if you love your iphone and at&t, there's nothing here that's going to change your mind.
we're talking about what average joe user is capable of. not what a power user can do from the command line.
if i can install an app on the sdcard, then i can take that same sdcard and give it to my friend and let them run the app on it. or, i can install $1000 worth of apps on an SD card and make 100 copies of the SD card and give them to my friends. that's dead simple piracy and i don't need to know anything about how / where apps are installed to do it.
handling the sdcard being removed is simple, and there are lots of options. the easiest one is just to require the phone to be shut down, and force-shutdown if the card is removed otherwise. handling the sdcard copying is easy as well of course. again, i don't know why they haven't solved this yet.
"On the Nexus One, only 190 megabytes of its total 4.5 gigabytes of memory is allowed for storing apps"
sigh. the phone comes with a 4GB removable (obviously) SD card (expandable to 32GB), and 512MB internal RAM. the SD card memory and the internal memory and separate and used for different purposes.
the internal RAM is used for storing and running apps. the SD card is used for storing data (app data, music files, video, pictures).
Google gets Android on Motorola's hot new phone, piggybacks on Motorola's marketing to boost the popularity of their own OS, then kicks them to the curb with a phone with "better integration" of Android features without even giving Motorola more than a few months to establish their own niche.
there is the little fact that motorola didn't have to develop a complete mobile operating system from scratch, and they benefit from a fairly mature development community, and a market full of robust applications, and developer tools. i am sure motorola contributed to all of this to some degree, but the vast majority of it was built on google's tab.
the "better integration" comment, wherever it came from, is misleading. it's android 2.1, and it will be open source. motorola can release the same thing for droid, if they wish.
being able to at least choose your carrier up front is revolutionary in that no other phone / carrier allows this. it's a nail in the coffin for the days when you were bound to a particular carrier by your choice of a phone.
like i said, you can't complain that it doesn't support essentially 4 different network types and then in the same post complain that the price is too high. well, you can complain, but you would not be acting rationally. no other carrier has even produced such a phone because if they did the price would be such a barrier that consumers would not even consider it. google / htc can't magically make a phone that has 4x the radio hardware and costs the same as other phones.
What are the charging times and use-between-charges metrics for this phone?
engadget said that you would probably need to charge the phone every day, but said "the battery performs admirably". here are the official specs.
Power and battery
Removable 1400 mAH battery
Charges at 480mA from USB, at 980mA from supplied charger Talk time
Up to 10 hours on 2G
Up to 7 hours on 3G Standby time Up to 290 hours on 2G Up to 250 hours on 3G Internet use Up to 5 hours on 3G
Up to 6.5 hours on Wi-Fi Video playbackUp to 7 hoursAudio playbackUp to 20 hours
Also, can the battery be easily and cheaply replaced if it degrades, unlike the batteries in Apple's product line?
the batteries on all android phones to date are user-serviceable.
it's true. the reason is that apps cannot be stored on the SD card, only on internal memory... and there is only 512MB internal RAM... which is used both as app storage and application runtime memory.
why can't apps be stored on the SD card? the reason has been that once an app is on the SD card, it can be pirated (more easily). there are obvious technical solutions to that. i don't know why the AOSP hasn't moved forward with solving this. it's been a problem ever since the G1 was released.
google has already announced the N1 on three of the four major US carriers. what other phone can claim that?i agree it would be great if US carriers had compatible networks, but i don't think you can blame google for that or expect them to fix it.
a single phone to have the hardware for both 3g networks and both CDMA carriers? no existing phone has that either, for economic reasons. you yourself noted that the price of the (single network) N1 is excessive.
android has all that as well. are you surprised that you don't see google going around bragging about how you can circumvent your provider's rules with black market android apps?
Its not like you get a reduced monthly price if you bring your own phone.
you do on t-mobile, albeit not as large as you might expect.
the whole subsidized phone paradigm has more to do with limiting competition among carriers. as it stands, carriers compete on the new cool phones they have this week. once they get you on the shiny new phone, you are stuck with them and they don't have to compete on the things that really matter like service, customer service, lack of restrictions, etc. much cheaper for them. the best example of this is the iphone. just look at all the people paying their $80+ per month bill for terrible service because they just have to own an iphone.
whether consciously or not, google is potentially breaking this scheme by offering a desirable higher-end smartphone, unlocked. personally, after being bound to AT&T's crappy service for almost 2 years now i will never buy a subsidized phone again.
i am not sure how motorola et al. could be upset with google. google engineers have written the vast majority of android-related code including apps, the android core, the SDK, and developer tools. they also provide many of the back end services that make the phone work. to a large degree motorola had a mobile operating system developed for them, for free.
no matter what phone you purchase, there is always a new and improved version. everyone that rushed out on bought the N1 today is going to feel burned when then N2 comes out. the same way iphone 3g/s users will feel when the iphone 4 comes out this summer. i don't think motorola was guaranteed market superiority when they built the droid.
futhermore, google just branded the N1. HTC is the developer, and t-mobile is the (first) carrier. HTC and t-mobile have been working with google since day one and gambled on android long before anyone else would bother looking in it's general direction. kudos to both oif them they deserve any success the N1 brings them. this was happening when other manufacturers and carriers were trying to figure out how they could hold on to their closed off, strangled version of the "internet".
finally, the N1 is fair competition to motorola. it's not subsidized in any way and has no special advantage over the droid. in fact, the engadget review gave the nod to the droid over the N1.
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iPhone has youtube and pandora among many other apps that have very high network usage. sort of shoots a hole into the theory that AT&T is rejecting based on potential network overload.
in this case, if you downloaded an app that you thought was a legit banking app, you would have just added it to the whitelist.
It is clear, however, that Intel aims to eventually compete squarely with ARM in the high-end smartphone market
woe to the company that intel decides to "compete" with.
android is in version 2.1 and was first released on a phone over a year ago. there are at least 7 different phone models running it across all the major (US) carriers. it's not 1.0.
if you would be willing to do a little research you'd find that there are ways to get around that. i have my G1 sitting in front of me without a SIM card at all, and with fill wifi access. before this i used the phone for 4 months with a voice only plan. my wife's iphone has had a voice-only SIM in it for half a year now.
for android, all you need to do is borrow a friend's SIM for about 60 seconds. go through the initial phone setup, and you are done. remove the data SIM and re-insert your voice only SIM. if you don't have access to a data SIM, enable data on your service, then cancel it when you are done. the provide should prorate and charge you for the time you had it enabled.
yes i agree the above should not be required. no reason other than providers want to sell data plans.
well let's see, here's one that i read,
http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/04/nexus-one-review/
note that the date is january 4, and the phone was released on january 5. it's pretty typical to leak a few devices before the official launch to get reviews out. that, and it's well known that google employees has the devices weeks before january 5.
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i bought an unlocked N1 the second it was released. it's been working great i'm very happy with it. zero bugs and zero crashes so far. note that no review of the many that i read before i purchased the phone had anything significant to complain about let alone bugs or stability problems.
i'm fairly certain google and t-mo are not releasing the number and details of their support calls. i have no doubt that *some* support calls are being fielded, and some users are unhappy. here's the "proof" from the PCWorld article,
More than 425 comments are listed on a thread about service eligibility issues. Some of them are from people who say that they ought to be eligible for the subsidized price of the phone but the Google sales site says they aren't. Many others are simply complaining of a policy that requires even longtime T-Mobile customers to pay more for the phone than new customers.
translation: people are complaining that the phone costs too much.
it's not a beta phone. it's a 2.1 release, a minor update to 2.0 which has been shipping for some time on the motorola droid, on a mobile OS that first released 2 years ago. HTC is the first and most experienced android phone manufacturer.
The bone replacement is currently being tested in sheep, where, when inserted into the area of a fracture,
how are all these sheep getting fractures?
there are at least three other solid android phones with a keyboard. motorola droid is one of them, and the reviews i've read rate it at least equivalent to the N1.
Apple is the one big exception, and even they also offer an unlocked option.
not really. you can buy an iphone without a contract, but you can't buy one that will work on a carrier other than AT&T. that's not unlocked, and that's the point. iphone is the competition, and google's business model is very different than the AT&T <> apple perversion.
the iphone is loved, but AT&T is hated. their message is "don't like AT&T? move over to android and get a phone on par with the iphone and choose your carrier." they don't have to beat the apple / iphone itself.
so they have 6 more months to build up market share before the playing field is leveled and the iphone moves to other carriers, probably at the same time the iphone 4 is released.
google has never made claimed homage to mr. dick. the word nexus does have a meaning beyond an imaginary android product line,
claiming that "nexus" even refers to mr. dick's book seems weak to me. it's been a long time since i read the book, but i don't recall it referring specifically to anything called a "nexus one". it refers to the "nexus line" of androids, and specifically the "nexus 6" model.
android has inherent advantages over iphone OS, including,
i have both an iphone and an android phone. i like android better, in theory. the problem has been the hardware up to this point. whether or not the N1 solves this remains to be seen.
but yes, if you love your iphone and at&t, there's nothing here that's going to change your mind.
we're talking about what average joe user is capable of. not what a power user can do from the command line.
if i can install an app on the sdcard, then i can take that same sdcard and give it to my friend and let them run the app on it. or, i can install $1000 worth of apps on an SD card and make 100 copies of the SD card and give them to my friends. that's dead simple piracy and i don't need to know anything about how / where apps are installed to do it.
handling the sdcard being removed is simple, and there are lots of options. the easiest one is just to require the phone to be shut down, and force-shutdown if the card is removed otherwise. handling the sdcard copying is easy as well of course. again, i don't know why they haven't solved this yet.
"On the Nexus One, only 190 megabytes of its total 4.5 gigabytes of memory is allowed for storing apps"
sigh. the phone comes with a 4GB removable (obviously) SD card (expandable to 32GB), and 512MB internal RAM. the SD card memory and the internal memory and separate and used for different purposes.
the internal RAM is used for storing and running apps. the SD card is used for storing data (app data, music files, video, pictures).
Google gets Android on Motorola's hot new phone, piggybacks on Motorola's marketing to boost the popularity of their own OS, then kicks them to the curb with a phone with "better integration" of Android features without even giving Motorola more than a few months to establish their own niche.
there is the little fact that motorola didn't have to develop a complete mobile operating system from scratch, and they benefit from a fairly mature development community, and a market full of robust applications, and developer tools. i am sure motorola contributed to all of this to some degree, but the vast majority of it was built on google's tab.
the "better integration" comment, wherever it came from, is misleading. it's android 2.1, and it will be open source. motorola can release the same thing for droid, if they wish.
being able to at least choose your carrier up front is revolutionary in that no other phone / carrier allows this. it's a nail in the coffin for the days when you were bound to a particular carrier by your choice of a phone.
like i said, you can't complain that it doesn't support essentially 4 different network types and then in the same post complain that the price is too high. well, you can complain, but you would not be acting rationally. no other carrier has even produced such a phone because if they did the price would be such a barrier that consumers would not even consider it. google / htc can't magically make a phone that has 4x the radio hardware and costs the same as other phones.
maybe it's pulling the data real time the same as google maps.
What are the charging times and use-between-charges metrics for this phone?
engadget said that you would probably need to charge the phone every day, but said "the battery performs admirably". here are the official specs.
Power and battery
Removable 1400 mAH battery
Charges at 480mA from USB, at 980mA from supplied charger Talk time
Up to 10 hours on 2GUp to 7 hours on 3G Standby time Up to 290 hours on 2G Up to 250 hours on 3G Internet use
Up to 5 hours on 3G
Up to 6.5 hours on Wi-Fi Video playback Up to 7 hours Audio playback Up to 20 hours
Also, can the battery be easily and cheaply replaced if it degrades, unlike the batteries in Apple's product line?
the batteries on all android phones to date are user-serviceable.
it's true. the reason is that apps cannot be stored on the SD card, only on internal memory ... and there is only 512MB internal RAM ... which is used both as app storage and application runtime memory.
why can't apps be stored on the SD card? the reason has been that once an app is on the SD card, it can be pirated (more easily). there are obvious technical solutions to that. i don't know why the AOSP hasn't moved forward with solving this. it's been a problem ever since the G1 was released.
android to this android developer blog post, ogg has been supported since feb 2008 in the SDK, which is at least several major releases of the OS.
google has already announced the N1 on three of the four major US carriers. what other phone can claim that?i agree it would be great if US carriers had compatible networks, but i don't think you can blame google for that or expect them to fix it.
a single phone to have the hardware for both 3g networks and both CDMA carriers? no existing phone has that either, for economic reasons. you yourself noted that the price of the (single network) N1 is excessive.
android has all that as well. are you surprised that you don't see google going around bragging about how you can circumvent your provider's rules with black market android apps?
Its not like you get a reduced monthly price if you bring your own phone.
you do on t-mobile, albeit not as large as you might expect.
the whole subsidized phone paradigm has more to do with limiting competition among carriers. as it stands, carriers compete on the new cool phones they have this week. once they get you on the shiny new phone, you are stuck with them and they don't have to compete on the things that really matter like service, customer service, lack of restrictions, etc. much cheaper for them. the best example of this is the iphone. just look at all the people paying their $80+ per month bill for terrible service because they just have to own an iphone.
whether consciously or not, google is potentially breaking this scheme by offering a desirable higher-end smartphone, unlocked. personally, after being bound to AT&T's crappy service for almost 2 years now i will never buy a subsidized phone again.
you are right, the single phone has both CDMA and GSM hardware. unfortunately, one or the other is locked based on your location.
i am not sure how motorola et al. could be upset with google. google engineers have written the vast majority of android-related code including apps, the android core, the SDK, and developer tools. they also provide many of the back end services that make the phone work. to a large degree motorola had a mobile operating system developed for them, for free.
no matter what phone you purchase, there is always a new and improved version. everyone that rushed out on bought the N1 today is going to feel burned when then N2 comes out. the same way iphone 3g/s users will feel when the iphone 4 comes out this summer. i don't think motorola was guaranteed market superiority when they built the droid.
futhermore, google just branded the N1. HTC is the developer, and t-mobile is the (first) carrier. HTC and t-mobile have been working with google since day one and gambled on android long before anyone else would bother looking in it's general direction. kudos to both oif them they deserve any success the N1 brings them. this was happening when other manufacturers and carriers were trying to figure out how they could hold on to their closed off, strangled version of the "internet".
finally, the N1 is fair competition to motorola. it's not subsidized in any way and has no special advantage over the droid. in fact, the engadget review gave the nod to the droid over the N1.