PHP is already "a smooshy mess"...
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...but like PERL, it just happens to be a useful "smooshy mess".
PERL is generally more consistent than PHP. When you consider PHP's history, this is completely unsurprising. It went from a simple CGI templating thingy to a Swiss Army Complete Web Engineering Corps that also does command-line, interactive graphics (including 3D), Flash, PDF and all manner of other stuff.
VB is "a great language"?
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It's clear that you've not had exposure to any great languages yet. (-:
Well, the ImageMagick extension hasn't caught up
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...so I still have to use PHP4 for anything involving iMagick calls.
Microsoft and many others have been doing similar things for over a decade, and for money.
If I had to change what they were saying, it would be to add one word, "already", to their spiel to flag its immaturity for the sake of the innocent.
However, the whole situation is pretty much like a simple ballistics comparison transmogrified into software: J2EE has been flying for a lot longer, so it's higher in the air now, but by sighting along the trajectories you can easily see that RoR has a clearly greater base velocity and will fly both higher and further than J2EE. If there are performance bottlenecks, they will be coded around, and probably in far shorter order than they were on Java's timeline. Java and other languages have been doing a certain amount of trailblazing there already, so Ruby can simply reimplement only the roundest and most resilient of software wheels and use them rather than having to laboriously reinvent them from scratch and try each one out.
Is that enough metaphor soup for one day?
Not a holy grail? True, but...
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...grail or not, Ruby is a lot holier than any other scripting language I've used. Unless you try to treat it like Java or PERL, in which case it comes across about as well as a CoBOL programmer writing in C.
Cyberax, you come across like a VB programmer bagging PHP or mod_perl. Your conversation resonates from keel to crowsnest of exactly the kind of tunnel-vision MoeDrippings mentions.
Would you care to give us a bit more context? Maybe a page or two on what you're actually trying to achieve, rather than just stating that specific features were absent (when they weren't) and then falling back on more bald statements that said features were inadequate. Something more convincing and complete?
Speaking as someone used to the simplicity...
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...of urpmi "postgresql-server; createdb mydbname; psql mydbname" but has used Oracle a few times, I have to say: Amen, brother, amen!" (-:
Yes, sqlplus is one of Oracle's big minuses (and not just the lack of readline). Yes, I'm aware that there are many replacements and that Oracle has to be configurable in detail in order to be able to scale, but you shouldn't have to deal with all of that rhubarb up front. It should remain politely anonymous out of the box until you explicitly ask for it.
You should be able to type in one or two non-obscure commands and at that point be able to bang in SQL92 or whatever and get stuff running. You can do it in PostgreSQL, ibFirebird or (albeit slightly weirdly) MySQL and others, why not Oracle? Can't they afford to make it easy to use out of the box?
Good defence, well done.
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Even running a screensaver involves two processes, one to generate the display and one to write it to the hardware (the system in 'Doze and X11 in most other places).
If you have half a dozen browser windows open, odds are that half of them have Flash plugins doing stuff, so you have one core working on each Flash plugin and the fourth displaying the visible ones, plus background processes (LAN answering ARP requests, email program checking for more spam, and (on Wintendos) adware fetching next blandishment) squeezing in wherever they can. Meaning that you would benefit from having two CPUs - eight cores - at this point.
Maybe that's why the XboX360 has so many cores? They're pre-empting an onslaught of spyware...
Perhaps nobody knows how to update the mail-scanner's virus definitions, so three months later every byte of useful data on the LAN is destroyed by the latest Win32 worm. And of course the secretary dutifully walking through the backup ritual didn't know what to make of the messages telling her that the tape drive was dying, so she just clicked OK each time (which seemed to work) and now the only backup tapes they have are wall-to-wall CRC errors.
Sad but typical. If anyone was doing backups at all, that is.
...then rest the front edge on your knees, oriented vertically and type with your hands raised. A bit hunt-and-peck at first but not as bad as you might think. Not radically different from this.
And get one of those matchbox-sized optical scrollwheel mice 'coz they work on airliner seat arms and are much more convenient for scrolling than a touchpad or keys at that angle. Technically, the high-efficiency LED in them is a laser, but none of the paperwork says so which should help avoid the mindless legalist device-nazis - and if not, you can always shine it in their eyes and blind them to make them go away <d/g/r>.
It sucks power slightly faster (not an issue if you have armrest power available), but I can strap my laptop to the headrest of the seat in front (get aboard early and get the strap (I use dark matte grey CAT5) embedded into the headrest joint and essentially invisible before the seat's resident arrives), plug in a small USB keyboard and the abovementioned mouse to use it in reasonable comfort. If you could find a way to attach the laptop to the ceiling, you could probably even recline your own seat.
...he may well either enjoy the "assault and buttery", or forcibly apply his newly lubricated 'phone to your butt... and maybe enjoy that, too, if you're unlucky.
...who would drop MS-Windows etc like a smoking potato globally if they couldn't keep their European branches updated, and the companies headquartered in Europe who would require their outliers to follow suit.
That happy thought should sustain me through the day.
...they're planning to put it out in 3.4.2, due out in not many weeks from now. 3.4 is significantly faster, fancier and lower-footprint than 3.3; using 3.4.1 here now.
...but missing a few interesting ones in most cases, like being able to shoot people through walls. Real live battles would be a lot safer if twelve millimeters of wood stopped missiles and massive electric arcs.
You don't need to be able to read French to figure that out from the linked page.
In addition, "Faux, iCab n'utilise PAS WebCore" is pretty obvious as a reponse to "Une version beta de iCab, utilisant probablement une version de dev de webcore", and if you're still not sure, cheat, feed the whole page to Google Translate and see what comes out: "Forgery, iCab does not use WebCore".
...just disable the good bits for IE users and leave a link behind to a page explaining their loss and the reason for it and what they can do to fix it (abandon MSIE for something safer and more compliant).
Konqueror 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 10.1), tables on that page are all centred ferpectly [sic]. On the few sites where I cared to check, 3.4.1 renders quirks much more competently than 3.3.1, and AFAICT it will only get better when these patches are integrated.
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...but like PERL, it just happens to be a useful "smooshy mess".
PERL is generally more consistent than PHP. When you consider PHP's history, this is completely unsurprising. It went from a simple CGI templating thingy to a Swiss Army Complete Web Engineering Corps that also does command-line, interactive graphics (including 3D), Flash, PDF and all manner of other stuff.
It's clear that you've not had exposure to any great languages yet. (-:
...so I still have to use PHP4 for anything involving iMagick calls.
Yes, I know. I was just pushing your buttons. (-:
Microsoft and many others have been doing similar things for over a decade, and for money.
If I had to change what they were saying, it would be to add one word, "already", to their spiel to flag its immaturity for the sake of the innocent.
However, the whole situation is pretty much like a simple ballistics comparison transmogrified into software: J2EE has been flying for a lot longer, so it's higher in the air now, but by sighting along the trajectories you can easily see that RoR has a clearly greater base velocity and will fly both higher and further than J2EE. If there are performance bottlenecks, they will be coded around, and probably in far shorter order than they were on Java's timeline. Java and other languages have been doing a certain amount of trailblazing there already, so Ruby can simply reimplement only the roundest and most resilient of software wheels and use them rather than having to laboriously reinvent them from scratch and try each one out.
Is that enough metaphor soup for one day?
...grail or not, Ruby is a lot holier than any other scripting language I've used. Unless you try to treat it like Java or PERL, in which case it comes across about as well as a CoBOL programmer writing in C.
Cyberax, you come across like a VB programmer bagging PHP or mod_perl. Your conversation resonates from keel to crowsnest of exactly the kind of tunnel-vision MoeDrippings mentions.
Would you care to give us a bit more context? Maybe a page or two on what you're actually trying to achieve, rather than just stating that specific features were absent (when they weren't) and then falling back on more bald statements that said features were inadequate. Something more convincing and complete?
...of urpmi "postgresql-server; createdb mydbname; psql mydbname" but has used Oracle a few times, I have to say: Amen, brother, amen!" (-:
Yes, sqlplus is one of Oracle's big minuses (and not just the lack of readline). Yes, I'm aware that there are many replacements and that Oracle has to be configurable in detail in order to be able to scale, but you shouldn't have to deal with all of that rhubarb up front. It should remain politely anonymous out of the box until you explicitly ask for it.
You should be able to type in one or two non-obscure commands and at that point be able to bang in SQL92 or whatever and get stuff running. You can do it in PostgreSQL, ibFirebird or (albeit slightly weirdly) MySQL and others, why not Oracle? Can't they afford to make it easy to use out of the box?
+1, Well Met. (-:
Even running a screensaver involves two processes, one to generate the display and one to write it to the hardware (the system in 'Doze and X11 in most other places).
If you have half a dozen browser windows open, odds are that half of them have Flash plugins doing stuff, so you have one core working on each Flash plugin and the fourth displaying the visible ones, plus background processes (LAN answering ARP requests, email program checking for more spam, and (on Wintendos) adware fetching next blandishment) squeezing in wherever they can. Meaning that you would benefit from having two CPUs - eight cores - at this point.
Maybe that's why the XboX360 has so many cores? They're pre-empting an onslaught of spyware...
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Perhaps nobody knows how to update the mail-scanner's virus definitions, so three months later every byte of useful data on the LAN is destroyed by the latest Win32 worm. And of course the secretary dutifully walking through the backup ritual didn't know what to make of the messages telling her that the tape drive was dying, so she just clicked OK each time (which seemed to work) and now the only backup tapes they have are wall-to-wall CRC errors.
Sad but typical. If anyone was doing backups at all, that is.
"Wolf! Wolf!"
...then rest the front edge on your knees, oriented vertically and type with your hands raised. A bit hunt-and-peck at first but not as bad as you might think. Not radically different from this.
And get one of those matchbox-sized optical scrollwheel mice 'coz they work on airliner seat arms and are much more convenient for scrolling than a touchpad or keys at that angle. Technically, the high-efficiency LED in them is a laser, but none of the paperwork says so which should help avoid the mindless legalist device-nazis - and if not, you can always shine it in their eyes and blind them to make them go away <d/g/r>.
It sucks power slightly faster (not an issue if you have armrest power available), but I can strap my laptop to the headrest of the seat in front (get aboard early and get the strap (I use dark matte grey CAT5) embedded into the headrest joint and essentially invisible before the seat's resident arrives), plug in a small USB keyboard and the abovementioned mouse to use it in reasonable comfort. If you could find a way to attach the laptop to the ceiling, you could probably even recline your own seat.
...he may well either enjoy the "assault and buttery", or forcibly apply his newly lubricated 'phone to your butt... and maybe enjoy that, too, if you're unlucky.
...who would drop MS-Windows etc like a smoking potato globally if they couldn't keep their European branches updated, and the companies headquartered in Europe who would require their outliers to follow suit.
That happy thought should sustain me through the day.
OTOH you don't need the 'plane to provide the LAN for that. AdHoc would work fine.
...they're planning to put it out in 3.4.2, due out in not many weeks from now. 3.4 is significantly faster, fancier and lower-footprint than 3.3; using 3.4.1 here now.
...but missing a few interesting ones in most cases, like being able to shoot people through walls. Real live battles would be a lot safer if twelve millimeters of wood stopped missiles and massive electric arcs.
The answer is very straightforward: bad timing. In both cases.
To really make the point, the page should include an evil-but-signed ActiveX control (the original "run once, ruin everything" technology).
...iCab runs on Mac OS 8.5.
So: no, it does not rely on Webcore.
You don't need to be able to read French to figure that out from the linked page.
In addition, "Faux, iCab n'utilise PAS WebCore" is pretty obvious as a reponse to "Une version beta de iCab, utilisant probablement une version de dev de webcore", and if you're still not sure, cheat, feed the whole page to Google Translate and see what comes out: "Forgery, iCab does not use WebCore".
...just disable the good bits for IE users and leave a link behind to a page explaining their loss and the reason for it and what they can do to fix it (abandon MSIE for something safer and more compliant).
Konqueror 3.3.1 (Mandrake Linux 10.1), tables on that page are all centred ferpectly [sic]. On the few sites where I cared to check, 3.4.1 renders quirks much more competently than 3.3.1, and AFAICT it will only get better when these patches are integrated.
...so 'fess up your scanner type and let's be about making it work under Linux for you.