Interesting:) thanx. Not sure I finally understand how to craft the required clauses forr e.g. the wolf, sheep salad problem. But on the first glance the language looks interesting. And a build in 'rule system' or logic language certainly is worth a try.
My fault for bad writing, I meant headline, not article. And my standpoint remains: eye catching danger implying phrase: overload, power outtage. Both is wrong. There was never any danger and there never will be any.
That are actually 3 bad examples:D PostScript is pointless, and as far as I understand it a variation of Forth. Prolog is my anathema, because I don't grasp how to convert a problem into a simple prolog program. It seems extremely hard to teach. I mean: the examples are always super easy and simple to understand. But given a simple problem, how to express it in Prolog is beyond me. It seems no one ever understands the questions I'm asking. (Yes, I can program in Prolog, but my programs don't look like typical perfect Prolog solutions) Haskell I was forced to use/learn in 4th semester at my university. It is probably the only one on your list that is worth a try. But at that time I found it completely incomprehensible, just like modern PERL.
or research languages I do that all the time, but only read the papers...
The functional part of Haskel is actually not that challenging, with lambdas we have that in Java (somewhat) too, we have it in Scala and in Groovy. But the weird syntax is annoying, but that again is the same for Scala.
Interesting languages are Io and Loke e.g. But well, I have no pet project that is suited to play with them.
Yes, I understand. Education - reading and learning about what is actually in a silicon cell - is hard. Yes. Obviously. As you seem not to understand the difference between a cell and a panel. And you seem not to understand that all metals, heavy or not, dangerous or not: are outside of the cell.
Why don't you read the article you linked?
7 grade or 8 grade physics is a good start, and you seem t have missed that.
I never claimed they are not available, I claimed they are not quickly and easily available, which you agree with since otherwise it would not be more expensive...
No, you claimed the article is "informative" when it is wrong.
But perhaps we are cross talking each other?
If you think the problem is the overall amount of energy entering the grid, you are completely missing the point. You can likely put even more energy into the grid as long as it gets consumed, That is actually what I wrote in my first post in this article (not as an answer to you) So? What does "overload" mean? It means wires are melting or other bad stuff is happening. And? That is NEVER going to happen. Because you can offline the solar plants, shut down fossiles or what ever. So: The article was wrong!!!
If more power enters the grid than it gets consumed, you have a problem. In theory yes, in practice not, as that is in practice never happening because the safeguards automatically disconnect power plants then. Facepalm.
Transported away" from the point of view of California's grid is just another form of consumption , which evidently is a cheaper solution than reducing input or increasing consumption in some other way. Exactly. And that is not written in the article but was written by me and other/. ers here in this threat. And the main point, see "overload" above is: obviously the grid is not overloaded by the surplus energy. Obviously there is no black out.
So about what are you arguing? You think the article was well worded when it in fact is full of nonsense? Sorry, then you have a low standard on journalism.
Erm, that is not how it works. First you get a letter telling you to hand over the gun at a certain office with a timeframe. Then they come as a small team, armed, armored. If you pull a gun at them you are most likely dead.
He only needs to save $100.000 and go to a country where a Buddha like statue is cherished and can live there for the rest of his life and father a dozen or more kids.
Probably unlike you as you perhaps have no happiness in your life and every woman will see that from a mile away.
For every offspring a random set of half of your genes is in the pool. With some luck the genes that made you dumb ass stupid are not remaining in that pool.
Momentum does not work like that. When you fire a hand gun, most of the momentum goes into the gun. And: you hardly can break a wrist by compressing it from hand into arm, you would need a force that has a big angle to actually break something. Broken ribs when a bullet hits a bullet proof west are actually quite common.
But we did not learn how thick the book was, nor its title or author. Perhaps it was a booklet? I'm pretty sure a hand gun is not firing through 'war and peace', by dostoilevski (or how ever he is spelled)
Yes, it's because 24 is evenly divisible by many factors. No. That is an american fallacy. I explained you how we came to to 24 hour system. But perhaps you like to do your own research. (No one in the rest of the world ever used that "divisible by many factors" argument. It is completely irrelevant for everything. As I pointed out several posts back: 1/4 of a thing is 1/4, 1/6 of a thing is 1/6... no one cares if one or both end up as even numbers or fractions. And the "number systems" most certainly never where picked for that purposes)
A 10 hour day would require factories to operate on 3.33 hour shifts and so on And who would care about working 3hours and 1/3rd?
I'm not claiming F is great either,it's a stupid system for a host of other reasons, but for expressing the temperature in terms of human comfort it's (for me and others) a superior system. Yes, and for me and about 7billion others it s not. So we are now back on square one;D
Humans are comfortable between maybe 60 and 80, And in Celsius humans are comfortable in the range of 20 to 30 degrees. Erm... what exactly was your point? You don't live with Celsius. So you have absolutely no clue how "comfortable" we are with the scale. And I don't have any clue how comfortable you are with Fahrenheit.
A Solar cell neither contains heavy metals nor does it contain any metal.
The only metal is the interconnect of many cells creating a panel and the frame around that panel.
And usually they don't contain heavy metals, and for the sake of the discussion it is irrelevant as they are easily recycled by simply heating the cells to the melting point of the metals (copper, usually): so there is nothing to worry at all about how to recycle a solar panel, solar cell, or how ever yo want to call it.
AGAIN: learn something instead of bombarding people with links which are obviously to complex for you to grasp.
Sorry that I'm angry, but this is 7 grade knowledge, or grade grade. It can not be that adults with voting rights are running around and have no clue at all!!!! Pisses me off, sorry, it really pisses me off.
Versioning is certainly a thing. But if a required DLL is missing it is not downloaded and linked. And if you had read the link you provided you had realized it has nothing to do with the Java Module system and transitive dependency management based on "required libraries and required versions of those".
Why are you wasting your and my time when you clearly have no clue about what we are actually talking?
This is a site that lists 'modules'. (based on the definition what a module is, as defined by the scheme standards) Not a site about a module system as in Java 9. It is misnamed in Java 9 and should be called packet manager.
To answer your other post: In Java everything is loaded dynamically and linked dynamically. To find libraries/*.jar files a "PATH" variable is used. The first match is taken.
In the new module system, a library/starting executable can define dependencies, which most notable includes the version of the library it depends on. This is transitive resolved. I guess it involves repositories like with maven (a java build tool) That means: if everything is correctly configured, e.g. remote repositories, you start a single jar file and all dependencies it has to other libraries (note again: that includes/implies the version number) get resolved during start up, the libraries get either put onto the internal "PATH" variable or downloaded from a repository. The dependencies are written inside of the jar file, and not outside in a configuration that configures the "CLASSPATH". In the end you have all libraries/dependencies with the correct version number on the "PATH".
It has absolutely nothing to do with how modules work e.g. in Modula 2.
Obviously the power costs where negative, so what is your point? In Germany/Europe that happens every few days.
However negative prices are usually "one hand is washing the other" deals. If I sell you a few GWh for a negative price today, chances are you sell me some a few days later.
In Europe we have many interconnected grids, basically a super grid spanning from UK, parts of north Africa, over Siberia into Mongolia and north China.
The big power companies simply play amoung each other the game who is getting the short stick and has to overproduce and sell. The "loser" is switching every few days and bottom line no one is losing anything.
It's only wrong if you can either quickly and easily store the excess energy, or quickly and easily throttle output to avoid overloading. Obviously you don't grasp both options are currently not available... Actually both options are available but considered more expensive than giving the energy away for free and paying on top of it.
And: the energy which obviously would overpower the grid, is nevertheless transported via that grid to Arizona.
I'll stick to my opinion. Then you are probably not very smart.
The claim is that California has to pay to get Arizona to use up its surplus energy, and the claim is correct No, the claim was: not doing so would overpower the grid, while in fact the energy is just transported away with exactly that grid.
Oops, miscounted the zeros. That is 5% of my monthly wage.
Anyway, if I would save 10% (percentiles actually) on my energy bill, that would be the equivalent of 2 beers in a pub (less beer even, depending on the pub)
But to make a big shift to solar you have to make laws in one way or the other.
You are always free to invest money in saving energy instead of paying higher prices. Well, you pay a higher price per unit, but hopefully consume so much less units that you safe money.
I for my part don't care. My energy bill is 4 times my phone bill, and together that is... hm that is half a percent of my monthly wage.
And that is one reason why the USA are so hated in the "middle east".
Malformed children are born since decades in Iraq.
No one is cleaning up there, and no one knows how to actually do it.
The problem is less the radioactivity but more that Uranium is super poisonous. Ofc. that goes hand in hand, as soon as it is inside the body its radioactivity becomes a problem, too.
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Ah, my fault, thanx for pointing it out.
I read both when I was very young, but don't remeber anything.
Perhaps one can get them now from gutenberg.org, I check later.
Interesting :) thanx.
Not sure I finally understand how to craft the required clauses forr e.g. the wolf, sheep salad problem. But on the first glance the language looks interesting. And a build in 'rule system' or logic language certainly is worth a try.
My fault for bad writing, I meant headline, not article.
And my standpoint remains: eye catching danger implying phrase: overload, power outtage. Both is wrong.
There was never any danger and there never will be any.
Java is a compiled language.
And you are wrong.
The CLASSPATH works exactly like PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH.
That are actually 3 bad examples :D
PostScript is pointless, and as far as I understand it a variation of Forth.
Prolog is my anathema, because I don't grasp how to convert a problem into a simple prolog program. It seems extremely hard to teach. I mean: the examples are always super easy and simple to understand. But given a simple problem, how to express it in Prolog is beyond me. It seems no one ever understands the questions I'm asking. (Yes, I can program in Prolog, but my programs don't look like typical perfect Prolog solutions)
Haskell I was forced to use/learn in 4th semester at my university. It is probably the only one on your list that is worth a try. But at that time I found it completely incomprehensible, just like modern PERL.
or research languages ...
I do that all the time, but only read the papers
The functional part of Haskel is actually not that challenging, with lambdas we have that in Java (somewhat) too, we have it in Scala and in Groovy. But the weird syntax is annoying, but that again is the same for Scala.
Interesting languages are Io and Loke e.g. But well, I have no pet project that is suited to play with them.
Yes, I understand. Education - reading and learning about what is actually in a silicon cell - is hard.
Yes.
Obviously.
As you seem not to understand the difference between a cell and a panel.
And you seem not to understand that all metals, heavy or not, dangerous or not: are outside of the cell.
Why don't you read the article you linked?
7 grade or 8 grade physics is a good start, and you seem t have missed that.
Otherwise you would not write such nonsense.
I never claimed they are not available, I claimed they are not quickly and easily available, which you agree with since otherwise it would not be more expensive...
No, you claimed the article is "informative" when it is wrong.
But perhaps we are cross talking each other?
If you think the problem is the overall amount of energy entering the grid, you are completely missing the point. You can likely put even more energy into the grid as long as it gets consumed,
That is actually what I wrote in my first post in this article (not as an answer to you)
So? What does "overload" mean? It means wires are melting or other bad stuff is happening.
And? That is NEVER going to happen. Because you can offline the solar plants, shut down fossiles or what ever.
So: The article was wrong!!!
If more power enters the grid than it gets consumed, you have a problem.
In theory yes, in practice not, as that is in practice never happening because the safeguards automatically disconnect power plants then. Facepalm.
Transported away" from the point of view of California's grid is just another form of consumption , which evidently is a cheaper solution than reducing input or increasing consumption in some other way. /. ers here in this threat.
Exactly. And that is not written in the article but was written by me and other
And the main point, see "overload" above is: obviously the grid is not overloaded by the surplus energy. Obviously there is no black out.
So about what are you arguing? You think the article was well worded when it in fact is full of nonsense? Sorry, then you have a low standard on journalism.
Erm, that is not how it works.
First you get a letter telling you to hand over the gun at a certain office with a timeframe.
Then they come as a small team, armed, armored.
If you pull a gun at them you are most likely dead.
No idea in what ferry world you are living.
He only needs to save $100.000 and go to a country where a Buddha like statue is cherished and can live there for the rest of his life and father a dozen or more kids.
Probably unlike you as you perhaps have no happiness in your life and every woman will see that from a mile away.
Actually, 50%.
Unless want to count the mitrochndrial DNA.
For every offspring a random set of half of your genes is in the pool.
With some luck the genes that made you dumb ass stupid are not remaining in that pool.
Momentum does not work like that.
When you fire a hand gun, most of the momentum goes into the gun.
And: you hardly can break a wrist by compressing it from hand into arm, you would need a force that has a big angle to actually break something.
Broken ribs when a bullet hits a bullet proof west are actually quite common.
But we did not learn how thick the book was, nor its title or author.
Perhaps it was a booklet? I'm pretty sure a hand gun is not firing through 'war and peace', by dostoilevski (or how ever he is spelled)
I had thought a Desert Eagle costs in the range of $1000.
Yes, it's because 24 is evenly divisible by many factors. ... no one cares if one or both end up as even numbers or fractions. And the "number systems" most certainly never where picked for that purposes)
No. That is an american fallacy. I explained you how we came to to 24 hour system. But perhaps you like to do your own research. (No one in the rest of the world ever used that "divisible by many factors" argument. It is completely irrelevant for everything. As I pointed out several posts back: 1/4 of a thing is 1/4, 1/6 of a thing is 1/6
A 10 hour day would require factories to operate on 3.33 hour shifts and so on
And who would care about working 3hours and 1/3rd?
I'm not claiming F is great either,it's a stupid system for a host of other reasons, but for expressing the temperature in terms of human comfort it's (for me and others) a superior system. ;D
Yes, and for me and about 7billion others it s not.
So we are now back on square one
Humans are comfortable between maybe 60 and 80, ... what exactly was your point? You don't live with Celsius. So you have absolutely no clue how "comfortable" we are with the scale.
And in Celsius humans are comfortable in the range of 20 to 30 degrees. Erm
And I don't have any clue how comfortable you are with Fahrenheit.
Why can't you agree on that?
Thre is nothing to learn.
Grasp it.
A Solar cell neither contains heavy metals nor does it contain any metal.
The only metal is the interconnect of many cells creating a panel and the frame around that panel.
And usually they don't contain heavy metals, and for the sake of the discussion it is irrelevant as they are easily recycled by simply heating the cells to the melting point of the metals (copper, usually): so there is nothing to worry at all about how to recycle a solar panel, solar cell, or how ever yo want to call it.
AGAIN: learn something instead of bombarding people with links which are obviously to complex for you to grasp.
Sorry that I'm angry, but this is 7 grade knowledge, or grade grade. It can not be that adults with voting rights are running around and have no clue at all!!!! Pisses me off, sorry, it really pisses me off.
Versioning is certainly a thing.
But if a required DLL is missing it is not downloaded and linked.
And if you had read the link you provided you had realized it has nothing to do with the Java Module system and transitive dependency management based on "required libraries and required versions of those".
Why are you wasting your and my time when you clearly have no clue about what we are actually talking?
This is a site that lists 'modules'. (based on the definition what a module is, as defined by the scheme standards)
Not a site about a module system as in Java 9. It is misnamed in Java 9 and should be called packet manager.
To answer your other post:
In Java everything is loaded dynamically and linked dynamically. To find libraries/*.jar files a "PATH" variable is used.
The first match is taken.
In the new module system, a library/starting executable can define dependencies, which most notable includes the version of the library it depends on. This is transitive resolved. I guess it involves repositories like with maven (a java build tool)
That means: if everything is correctly configured, e.g. remote repositories, you start a single jar file and all dependencies it has to other libraries (note again: that includes/implies the version number) get resolved during start up, the libraries get either put onto the internal "PATH" variable or downloaded from a repository. The dependencies are written inside of the jar file, and not outside in a configuration that configures the "CLASSPATH".
In the end you have all libraries/dependencies with the correct version number on the "PATH".
It has absolutely nothing to do with how modules work e.g. in Modula 2.
Well that thread was funny :D
Obviously the power costs where negative, so what is your point?
In Germany/Europe that happens every few days.
However negative prices are usually "one hand is washing the other" deals. If I sell you a few GWh for a negative price today, chances are you sell me some a few days later.
In Europe we have many interconnected grids, basically a super grid spanning from UK, parts of north Africa, over Siberia into Mongolia and north China.
The big power companies simply play amoung each other the game who is getting the short stick and has to overproduce and sell. The "loser" is switching every few days and bottom line no one is losing anything.
It's only wrong if you can either quickly and easily store the excess energy, or quickly and easily throttle output to avoid overloading. Obviously you don't grasp both options are currently not available...
Actually both options are available but considered more expensive than giving the energy away for free and paying on top of it.
And: the energy which obviously would overpower the grid, is nevertheless transported via that grid to Arizona.
I'll stick to my opinion.
Then you are probably not very smart.
The claim is that California has to pay to get Arizona to use up its surplus energy, and the claim is correct
No, the claim was: not doing so would overpower the grid, while in fact the energy is just transported away with exactly that grid.
No, the things you mention are no such things.
The GUID and references for COM/ActiveX etc. are hard coded. They don't follow required versions etc.
You somehow wasted your breath :D
Oops, miscounted the zeros.
That is 5% of my monthly wage.
Anyway, if I would save 10% (percentiles actually) on my energy bill, that would be the equivalent of 2 beers in a pub (less beer even, depending on the pub)
No idea what your point is.
But to make a big shift to solar you have to make laws in one way or the other.
You are always free to invest money in saving energy instead of paying higher prices. Well, you pay a higher price per unit, but hopefully consume so much less units that you safe money.
I for my part don't care. My energy bill is 4 times my phone bill, and together that is ... hm that is half a percent of my monthly wage.
Exactly.
And that is one reason why the USA are so hated in the "middle east".
Malformed children are born since decades in Iraq.
No one is cleaning up there, and no one knows how to actually do it.
The problem is less the radioactivity but more that Uranium is super poisonous. Ofc. that goes hand in hand, as soon as it is inside the body its radioactivity becomes a problem, too.