The relative peace enjoyed in Germany after the fall of Hitler is most likely *not* due to hate speech laws, since countries without those laws have enjoyed the same peace. Which country do you mean? There are not many countries that have no hate speech laws. If you mean the USA, then you are very bad in history. Kuklux Klan, Martin Luther King, Malcom X, the Arpardheit Riots, etc. p.p.
For all your readers know, you sucked at Latin. The readers don't know anything about my latin. I sucked in grades, but can read it quite good:D
In the culture series there are powerful AIs/ALs, called "Minds". They control space ships and orbitals/habitats.
They usually have names like: "Peace makes plenty", "Attitude Adjuster", "So much for Subtlety" etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
He has also interesting ship classifications: ROU - rapid offensive unit, VFP - very fast picket (usually a demilitarized ROU), GSV - general systems vehicle, a kind of super super carrier with build in war ship factories.
We are all aware of such problems, but obviously you are not aware that they have a long arm of "organization" behind it. And that are not muslim arms but nazi arms, idiot.
You admit that you have no clue about your own free speech limitations.
Free speech, in German as well as in the USA, limits the power of the government to prosecute citizens using speech *against* that government.
In neither country it is allowed for a citizen or a party to call for murder, rape or genocide. If you think you can do that in the USA without being prosecuted you are in idiot.
You did not cite a dictionary for a "definition". You cited a popular site which uses the observations of regimes during WW2 to make a "bogus definition" when the actual definition of the word is thousands of years old.
The problem is that a while back folks in the entire world looked up to and respected the US legal system. 70 or even 50 years ago, perhaps. In relation to "normal" democratic nations the US law system is a joke. 300 years old bullshit that never got upgraded to modern times. We laugh about you, and pity you same time. A simple civilian needs money to win a case, or not lose it, if he is accused. And you call that "law"? Retarded, isn't it?
Look at the Bill Clinton case. No one in Europe grasps what it was about. Or that Boxer O J Smith, or Simpson? He was not guilty in a criminal court but got convicted by a civil court to pay damages to the family of his wife because they considered him the killer... how retarded is that?
There are posts here on/. where people claimed if traffic is running 10m/h over the speed limit and you run 5m/h over the speed limit, a cop can ticket you twice: once for being over the speed limit and once for being a hindrance of smooth traffic. How retarded is that?
The whole idea that a jury is judging over you is completely retarded. That was ok 300 or 400 years ago when british and american law said: "you shall be judged by your peers" Especially because "experts" could not be called and travel 1000nds of miles to a case. In our days that makes no sense anymore.
Probably no one in the US knows that in Europe we don't have juries anymore... not sure about the UK, though.
There is no 12 miles offshore rule anywhere in the world It is 30 miles and that are nautical miles and the next interesting boundary is the 200 miles boundary, exclusive commercial exploitation rights.
Alternatively, America could declare war on Europe. It would be interesting to see how the IRA respond to that! Europe will stop supplying the US navy with parts... Depending how much they have stocked the carriers stop launching planes in less than 6 weeks.
after all Roman soldiers were paid in salt That is a myth, they were payed in gold and silver.
that's where the word 'salary' comes from That is true.
From your parent: After Rome invaded Carthage, they salted the land to prevent anything from growing there for a long time As far as we know this is true, too.
From your parent: "We should fly our military aircraft over Europe..." They are actually flying here. Since roughly 1942.
You'd better spend the money to train your battle ships not to hit container-ships as big as mountains on a flat sea. That is a truth.
However it was a destroyer not a BS.
Anyway, hitting a container ship is embarrassing. However that the container ship did not spot the destroyer and radioed the is embarrassing, too.
Not only millions of refugees. The Iraq war caused about 1.3 million death during combat/bombings.
The follow up disaster of ISIS taking over can not really be counted so far, but likely twice as my dead or more. The people there who are capable of fleeing don't flee for nothing.
If there are investigations in a drug case, and the state attorney is not able to approach the state attorneys of the countries in question, I would consider firing him and sending him back to law school.
You approach the "overseas", provide enough evidence, ask for a warrant. Then the authorities, usually a judge, judges the evidence and issues a warrant. Then you get what you want.
A company like FB/MS or any other can not simply provide data from a german server to an US authority. Regardless what the US man with the gun thinks.
Privacy and data is the holy grail in Europe, like your free speech. If a company would simply send data to the US without a court ruling/warrant here in Europe it would break so many laws it likely would run bankrupt.
How an US lawyer/congress/governor can come to the dumb idea he has a chance to make it law that his warrants are valid world wide is beyond me.
I did not insult you. I exercise all the time. I just don't feel the need to attribute the results to anything but well understood biology. Yeah, you push weights. Or run. What has that to do with Ki/Chi?
I told you several times to look a video of a Tai Chi or Chi Gong practitioner.
You don't want. So you are unscientific.
Lots of 'ancient' societies have named gods and supernatural forces, that does not give them any legitimacy, but it does provide some people with a psychological 'fill in' for lack of scientific basis. I explained you in my last post in the last paragraph the scientific base. Probably you are to lazy to google, to confirm/check it.
Very well, like I said, as long as it makes you happy. It does not make me happy. It makes me sad that you spent half an hour arguing with me instead of simply trying it.
You fail to explain what that has to do with the topic.
Instead of "buying data" from the NSA we do our own "recordings".
IMHO a good thing.
Perhaps you should read and grasp what "mass surveillance" actually is and how it works. And then: please stand up and fight it in your country first. When you are successful we are all ears here to know how you do it and what you have achieved.
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised [...] That is unfortunately wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism This is unfortunately more concerned about what happened than explaining the fundamental ideology. The fundamental ideology of fascism is: there are upper class/ruling class and one or several lower classes, down to lower classes that have no right to vote. Law only exists to suppress the lower classes and to empower the ruling class. However it is considered acceptable if one changes class by becoming rich or gaining power in any way. And fights between the ruling class to topple some down to lower classes are fine, too. Bottom line the ideology favours a ruling of the strong over the masses. It is considered natural that some are strong and rule and some are weak and get ruled and exploited.
Hence my example of your fascist health care system. That Hitler introduced health care for the masses is new to me... it was introduced around 1870 by Bismarck.
The most famous fascist probably is Leonidas from Sparta. And not Hitler. The most longest ruled fascist state probably was the Roman empire around Neros rule and afterwards.
The test criteria is pretty simple. You do a Qi Gong or Tai Chi exercise and feel the flow of Ki. No idea what else you need/want. If you are to lazy or feel to incompetent to judge (for a good/suitable teaching video) I would even go and google you a youtube video. However it is hard to believe that you have no friend, coworker, acquaintance or relative that ever did/still does Yoga, Tai Chi or Qi Gong, Shiatsu or a martial art in which Ki/Chi plays a role: Aikido, Kung Fu, Karate etc. Everyone doing such a "sport" above should be able to show you a 30 seconds exercise.
Ki is not only an eastern concept. In Indian it is called Prana, but that is a slightly different variation (from Ki/Chi I mean), or Kundalini, which is a very specific manifestation, in (ancient) Greek it is called Pneuma (in our days translated as 'breath') in Hebrew it is called Ruach. The old nordic/germanic name is Megin. In polynesia it is called Mana, in the Caribs (and west Africa?) Mojo.
Bottom line it is no mythical energy anyway, it is just how the blood flow and partly muscle tension manifests itself as a 'feeling', which btw. can be clearly seen on thermal cameras:) Yes: there are scientific researches about what Ki is. But besides certain blood flows they don't find anything (special). Ever seen a Shaoling Monk threw a stitching needle through a glass panel? When they teach they use the term Chi/Qi. No one really understands until after three years of practicing he can throw the needle through a glass panel. Only leaving behind a very tiny hole and a few very tiny splinters of glass. On a thermal camera you see a 'pneumatic' shot of blood going from the center of the body into the throwing hand, faster than the arm is moving.
Now a new generation gets to watch over all communication in Germany. Say or write anything wrong and the police get a report. No freedom of speech. No freedom after speech. Why are you writing nonsense like this?
Even you idiot should know: hate speech is only relevant if it is done in public. In my 4 walls I can say what I want and even if it is recorded (for which they would need a warrant, hard to get) it is harmless for me as: it is not in public. In other words, I can also say via phone or WhatsApp what ever I want...
Anyway, your idea that everything in Germany gets recorded is utter nonsense anyway.
I can even say: 'Down with Jews, kill all Moslems!' here on/. as every one can see that was sarcastic, stupid idiot.
And during WWII america found concentration camps a super good idea and put all american citizens of Japanese ancestry they could get their hands on into camps. Many died as health care was (nearly) non existing.
Following the law is not authoritarian. The law is not prosecuted by the government. It is enforced by police, judges and state attorneys.
The government has absolutely no say in that. Ever heard about dividing the forces?
So, we have razzias in 14 states where law enforcement is arresting right wing terrorists. Oh, they did not bomb yet, only called for bombings... calling for bombings is illegal in my country. And luckily those idiots are so dumb to call in public so it is easy to catch them. Now they get investigated, do they have bomb materials? Do they have friends that have bomb materials? Without our laws we had no way to investigate, you stupid moron.
What is next? A Moslem is making an attack somewhere and you shout: why don't you have laws to catch/prosecute/detain Moslems in advance? Hu? You can not have it both ways!
The state cannot be trusted to determine which political views are acceptable and which are not. And the state is not doing this, as the state has no power to tell judges or stare attorneys what to do, facepalm.
Also we are not talking about political views anyway. We are talking about hate speech, that has nothing to do with current politics but with your ill state of mind.
What they lack are real free speech rights Europe, especially germany, has the same free speech rights than you have. The stuff we are talking about here had nothing to do with government, but with idiots inflaming hate versus others, that is a legal crime here. Prosecuted by the state attorney, not the government.
and the ability to defend themselves from their governments or the thug migrants that rape, murder and steal en masse in Europe. There are no murdering, thieving, raping thugs running around in Europe. We are in Europe, not in the USA... idiot.
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Interesting, I was of the opinion that those laws pooped up under the influence of the occupying forces.
The relative peace enjoyed in Germany after the fall of Hitler is most likely *not* due to hate speech laws, since countries without those laws have enjoyed the same peace.
Which country do you mean? There are not many countries that have no hate speech laws.
If you mean the USA, then you are very bad in history. Kuklux Klan, Martin Luther King, Malcom X, the Arpardheit Riots, etc. p.p.
For all your readers know, you sucked at Latin. :D
The readers don't know anything about my latin. I sucked in grades, but can read it quite good
Exactly.
And because the ordinary citizen is to cowardice we have a law, so the law enforcement can jump in.
Ian Banks, aka Ian M. Banks.
Novelist and SF writer, most famous for his Culture novels:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
My favourite collection of books.
In the culture series there are powerful AIs/ALs, called "Minds". They control space ships and orbitals/habitats.
They usually have names like: "Peace makes plenty", "Attitude Adjuster", "So much for Subtlety" etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
He has also interesting ship classifications: ROU - rapid offensive unit, VFP - very fast picket (usually a demilitarized ROU), GSV - general systems vehicle, a kind of super super carrier with build in war ship factories.
How would it be if you read what you post?
Hu? Sexual assault is not rape!
We are all aware of such problems, but obviously you are not aware that they have a long arm of "organization" behind it. And that are not muslim arms but nazi arms, idiot.
No, I did not admit it myself.
You admit that you have no clue about your own free speech limitations.
Free speech, in German as well as in the USA, limits the power of the government to prosecute citizens using speech *against* that government.
In neither country it is allowed for a citizen or a party to call for murder, rape or genocide. If you think you can do that in the USA without being prosecuted you are in idiot.
Probably your: Post hoc, ergo propter hoc.
I only stated that the laws served us quite well sine 1945.
If there is a causality or not is up to you. If you want to prove there is none, it is up to you as well.
Sorry, throwing around latin in the time of the internet (and I actually had latin in school) to look bright is rather foolish.
You did not cite a dictionary for a "definition".
You cited a popular site which uses the observations of regimes during WW2 to make a "bogus definition" when the actual definition of the word is thousands of years old.
The problem is that a while back folks in the entire world looked up to and respected the US legal system.
70 or even 50 years ago, perhaps.
In relation to "normal" democratic nations the US law system is a joke. 300 years old bullshit that never got upgraded to modern times.
We laugh about you, and pity you same time. A simple civilian needs money to win a case, or not lose it, if he is accused. And you call that "law"? Retarded, isn't it?
Look at the Bill Clinton case. No one in Europe grasps what it was about. Or that Boxer O J Smith, or Simpson? He was not guilty in a criminal court but got convicted by a civil court to pay damages to the family of his wife because they considered him the killer ... how retarded is that?
There are posts here on /. where people claimed if traffic is running 10m/h over the speed limit and you run 5m/h over the speed limit, a cop can ticket you twice: once for being over the speed limit and once for being a hindrance of smooth traffic. How retarded is that?
The whole idea that a jury is judging over you is completely retarded. That was ok 300 or 400 years ago when british and american law said: "you shall be judged by your peers" Especially because "experts" could not be called and travel 1000nds of miles to a case. In our days that makes no sense anymore.
Probably no one in the US knows that in Europe we don't have juries anymore ... not sure about the UK, though.
There is no 12 miles offshore rule anywhere in the world
It is 30 miles and that are nautical miles and the next interesting boundary is the 200 miles boundary, exclusive commercial exploitation rights.
Alternatively, America could declare war on Europe. It would be interesting to see how the IRA respond to that! ...
Europe will stop supplying the US navy with parts
Depending how much they have stocked the carriers stop launching planes in less than 6 weeks.
after all Roman soldiers were paid in salt
That is a myth, they were payed in gold and silver.
that's where the word 'salary' comes from
That is true.
From your parent: After Rome invaded Carthage, they salted the land to prevent anything from growing there for a long time
As far as we know this is true, too.
From your parent: "We should fly our military aircraft over Europe..."
They are actually flying here. Since roughly 1942.
You'd better spend the money to train your battle ships not to hit container-ships as big as mountains on a flat sea.
That is a truth.
However it was a destroyer not a BS.
Anyway, hitting a container ship is embarrassing. However that the container ship did not spot the destroyer and radioed the is embarrassing, too.
Not only millions of refugees.
The Iraq war caused about 1.3 million death during combat/bombings.
The follow up disaster of ISIS taking over can not really be counted so far, but likely twice as my dead or more. The people there who are capable of fleeing don't flee for nothing.
If there are investigations in a drug case, and the state attorney is not able to approach the state attorneys of the countries in question, I would consider firing him and sending him back to law school.
You approach the "overseas", provide enough evidence, ask for a warrant.
Then the authorities, usually a judge, judges the evidence and issues a warrant.
Then you get what you want.
A company like FB/MS or any other can not simply provide data from a german server to an US authority. Regardless what the US man with the gun thinks.
Privacy and data is the holy grail in Europe, like your free speech. If a company would simply send data to the US without a court ruling/warrant here in Europe it would break so many laws it likely would run bankrupt.
How an US lawyer/congress/governor can come to the dumb idea he has a chance to make it law that his warrants are valid world wide is beyond me.
I did not insult you.
I exercise all the time. I just don't feel the need to attribute the results to anything but well understood biology.
Yeah, you push weights. Or run. What has that to do with Ki/Chi?
I told you several times to look a video of a Tai Chi or Chi Gong practitioner.
You don't want. So you are unscientific.
Lots of 'ancient' societies have named gods and supernatural forces, that does not give them any legitimacy, but it does provide some people with a psychological 'fill in' for lack of scientific basis.
I explained you in my last post in the last paragraph the scientific base. Probably you are to lazy to google, to confirm/check it.
Very well, like I said, as long as it makes you happy.
It does not make me happy. It makes me sad that you spent half an hour arguing with me instead of simply trying it.
You fail to explain what that has to do with the topic.
Instead of "buying data" from the NSA we do our own "recordings".
IMHO a good thing.
Perhaps you should read and grasp what "mass surveillance" actually is and how it works.
And then: please stand up and fight it in your country first. When you are successful we are all ears here to know how you do it and what you have achieved.
21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised [...]
That is unfortunately wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
This is unfortunately more concerned about what happened than explaining the fundamental ideology.
The fundamental ideology of fascism is: there are upper class/ruling class and one or several lower classes, down to lower classes that have no right to vote. Law only exists to suppress the lower classes and to empower the ruling class. However it is considered acceptable if one changes class by becoming rich or gaining power in any way. And fights between the ruling class to topple some down to lower classes are fine, too. Bottom line the ideology favours a ruling of the strong over the masses. It is considered natural that some are strong and rule and some are weak and get ruled and exploited.
Hence my example of your fascist health care system. That Hitler introduced health care for the masses is new to me ... it was introduced around 1870 by Bismarck.
The most famous fascist probably is Leonidas from Sparta. And not Hitler.
The most longest ruled fascist state probably was the Roman empire around Neros rule and afterwards.
The test criteria is pretty simple.
You do a Qi Gong or Tai Chi exercise and feel the flow of Ki.
No idea what else you need/want.
If you are to lazy or feel to incompetent to judge (for a good/suitable teaching video) I would even go and google you a youtube video.
However it is hard to believe that you have no friend, coworker, acquaintance or relative that ever did/still does Yoga, Tai Chi or Qi Gong, Shiatsu or a martial art in which Ki/Chi plays a role: Aikido, Kung Fu, Karate etc. Everyone doing such a "sport" above should be able to show you a 30 seconds exercise.
Ki is not only an eastern concept. In Indian it is called Prana, but that is a slightly different variation (from Ki/Chi I mean), or Kundalini, which is a very specific manifestation, in (ancient) Greek it is called Pneuma (in our days translated as 'breath') in Hebrew it is called Ruach. The old nordic/germanic name is Megin. In polynesia it is called Mana, in the Caribs (and west Africa?) Mojo.
Bottom line it is no mythical energy anyway, it is just how the blood flow and partly muscle tension manifests itself as a 'feeling', which btw. can be clearly seen on thermal cameras :) Yes: there are scientific researches about what Ki is. But besides certain blood flows they don't find anything (special). Ever seen a Shaoling Monk threw a stitching needle through a glass panel? When they teach they use the term Chi/Qi. No one really understands until after three years of practicing he can throw the needle through a glass panel. Only leaving behind a very tiny hole and a few very tiny splinters of glass. On a thermal camera you see a 'pneumatic' shot of blood going from the center of the body into the throwing hand, faster than the arm is moving.
Your link is broken. ...
I guess it is an older 'hate speech law'? I gogole it
Now a new generation gets to watch over all communication in Germany.
Say or write anything wrong and the police get a report.
No freedom of speech. No freedom after speech.
Why are you writing nonsense like this?
Even you idiot should know: hate speech is only relevant if it is done in public. In my 4 walls I can say what I want and even if it is recorded (for which they would need a warrant, hard to get) it is harmless for me as: it is not in public. In other words, I can also say via phone or WhatsApp what ever I want ...
Anyway, your idea that everything in Germany gets recorded is utter nonsense anyway.
I can even say: 'Down with Jews, kill all Moslems!' here on /. as every one can see that was sarcastic, stupid idiot.
And during WWII america found concentration camps a super good idea and put all american citizens of Japanese ancestry they could get their hands on into camps. Many died as health care was (nearly) non existing.
Following the law is not authoritarian.
The law is not prosecuted by the government.
It is enforced by police, judges and state attorneys.
The government has absolutely no say in that. Ever heard about dividing the forces?
So, we have razzias in 14 states where law enforcement is arresting right wing terrorists. Oh, they did not bomb yet, only called for bombings ... calling for bombings is illegal in my country. And luckily those idiots are so dumb to call in public so it is easy to catch them. Now they get investigated, do they have bomb materials? Do they have friends that have bomb materials? Without our laws we had no way to investigate, you stupid moron.
What is next? A Moslem is making an attack somewhere and you shout: why don't you have laws to catch/prosecute/detain Moslems in advance? Hu? You can not have it both ways!
The state cannot be trusted to determine which political views are acceptable and which are not.
And the state is not doing this, as the state has no power to tell judges or stare attorneys what to do, facepalm.
Also we are not talking about political views anyway. We are talking about hate speech, that has nothing to do with current politics but with your ill state of mind.
What they lack are real free speech rights
Europe, especially germany, has the same free speech rights than you have.
The stuff we are talking about here had nothing to do with government, but with idiots inflaming hate versus others, that is a legal crime here. Prosecuted by the state attorney, not the government.
and the ability to defend themselves from their governments or the thug migrants that rape, murder and steal en masse in Europe. ... idiot.
There are no murdering, thieving, raping thugs running around in Europe. We are in Europe, not in the USA
Merkel only seeks to silence opposition under the banner of political correctness.
Merkel has nothing to do with that.
Those laws where imposed on Germany around 1946 by the occupying american forces, idiot.