You would enjoy a book called "the virtue of selfishness" by Ann Rand. Good stuff since you seem to already be on that path. Once you get through the whole "I don't deal with anything that doesn't affect me directly" you can move into the Biblical Eye Plank philosophy for a minute, after which you will discover Existentialism which will really be the true version you were looking for at first when Max Stirner touched your mind. Which ultimately will lead to post-modernism wherein you will find that society does not effect you at all so you should live by your own guidelines because that is the only real truth you need to live by. Eventually in 5-10 years you will splash in an idea that truth is undefined along with some moral relativism
So depending on your life experiences eventually you will come to a conclusion that your entire life is a summation of interactions with other people and the only meaning to this life is to effect the life of society in general.
Then if you are really lucky, you will discover that all these mindsets are cyclical.
Of course this all will occur if you keep studying and learning about philosophy. Otherwise you will just maintain the current mindset only achieving the wisdom you already think you have which is exactly what happens to 90% of Christians out there:)
Interesting, I replied to this post but it didn't post....odd.
Anyway, the jist of what I said was just because we cant do something currently doesn't mean that someday we wont be able to do it. Always remember Clark's 3 laws
That is because you are assuming that I am speaking of ID in the terms of an omnipotent being, which would be an unscientific premise. Trying to find out if I am genetically engineered from another finite being that has to obey the basic laws of physics, that is scientific.
The problem here you are seeing is your own close mindedness, well maybe not close mindedness, but your hate for theism is over shrouding your reason by defining ID == 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, diety type spaghetti thing'. Which ID doesn't always imply. ID can be genetically engineered just as easily as it can be some form of theistic creation. What you want to say is that creationism by diety cannot be a scientific area, that is why we have theology and philosophy.
I fish for those people every once in a while, landed one just the other day:) Given it was a bad joke but I always love listening to broken people say it.
Which is also the reason I said it depends on what kind of ID we are talking about. If we are assuming some kind of Omnipotent being, then no, it is not science. But if we assume another limited being such as ourselves, it enters the realm of science.
Hmmm, then could we consider ID more of an Archeological field?
But for argument's sake, yes, the pig can come up with a way to prove that I didn't create it (if indeed I hadn't) things like showing that it has a demonstrable mother, or a clone that is older etc. The reason we accept evolution is the demonstrable history we have. We can show ancestry so ID goes out the window for the most part.
If we ever get to the point that we can redesign the human genome or come up with a better product and terraform a planet say...mars..dump them off for a couple million years, you would be certain some kind of religion would develop;) To an extent they would be right, they would be intelligently designed by us. And scientifically would not be able to show evolution unless they visited earth where all the historical data is.
I am against nuts in general, political, technical, sports, etc.
Religious faith I think is good for the world in general, atheism never has benefited any society, historically. So I think it is good to respect other religions and world views. But I have one caveat to that statement, I will respect your faith as long as you respect it. If you don't know your faith, or at least apologetically uphold your beliefs, I refuse to respect them, even if you are the same faith as myself.
I love defending my faith against someone well versed in the subject. What I HATE is someone using cliche phrases to defend something that should be natural to them. I can tear apart most Christians faith very very quickly because I know my own faith well. People that don't understand or know Christianity, it is trivial to defend oneself against such ignorance. Unfortunately in Christianity there are a lot more ignorant people out there making me look bad than I would like.
Ya ELCA is an odd beast, a good case where a church is being torn apart by politics and justifying their existence, so if you want a church where you aren't really challenged and everyone gets along kind of a Unitarianism that is ELCA. I wont be surprised to see them defined as a cult in a decade.
I ran across an interesting quote recently, wish I could find it, something like "How do we expect people to survive philosophically in a world with a 7th grade education in theology?". That is why I believe that there are so many quotable idiot religious nuts out there. And why it is so easy to leave faith upon stumbling on a pebble.
Depends on what form of ID is being discussed. If I genetically engineer a Pig (from a fundamental level, proteins and all) with 3 asses, that would be considered intelligent design. If the pig were of an intelligence level to plot out it's origins it may want to know why it evolved to have 3 asses, when in actuality it really didn't evolve and could prove it by finding the beakers and methods that led to its arrival.
Actually, the usual perspective is, priesthood is sought as an escape from their sins, a way to treat them, rather than treating it as a calling. They think if they become priests their pedophile desires will go away. Often enough this is the same situation in Psychiatry and Psychology as I had a Psychology PHD once explain to me that people go into psychology to figure out what is wrong with themselves.
...a theology class in schools as an elective,...guest speakers from various faiths (Muslim, Christian, Sheik (sp?), Buddhist, Flying Spaghetti Monster, etc.)
In my local Christian school (Lutheran) they do this. Never really see secular schools do it, too 'controversial'. But the school I am talking about is big on making christian faith your own rather than just the one you have by default.
One of the problems is, the games are much more complicated, code wise than they used to be. Hell even Warcraft 3 which is a rather simple game when compared to other games released at the same time was around 3-5 years late. WoW has been pretty good so far, but again the gameplay is very simple in comparison to other RPGs so they get to focus on Bandwith problems.
Correct the abstract is just about the house members, but it is part of a larger agenda called the Fairness Doctrine and that is what everyone is getting in a pissing match about.
Sorry about the cheesy link, was too lazy to look for the original document, this one will do;)
Yes, but this is just a piece of the fairness doctrine. The fairness doctrine was struck down in 1987 because it did not do what it was intended for. Instead it was used malicious and it will be done as such again. This was not because it didnt have time to sink in, it was done because over the 38 years it was upheld it did nothing good.
Read up on the fairness doctrine, there is a reason that the "conservative" crowd is screaming about this. Because, when it comes down to it, a lot of their shows on air will be canceled because it would be too controversial. Rush Limbaugh would have to have a show following his to show the other side. Christian radio stations would have to have Islamists and Buddhists on the same station and vice versa. Rather than just allow this the networks will cancel any "controversial" show.
It is censorship imposing democrats like this which are the reason I refuse to join the party. REGULATION REGULATION REGULATION, its like the little kid on the playground that all the teachers have to change the rules for because the game is too hard. Suck it up bitches and join the political arena, you have more members than any other party and will soon have control of our gov't. Soon you will take over broadcasting everywhere. This will be "no child left behind" all over again and far worse than the big brother moves by the bush administration. Mark my words.
FTA The good news is this is a really strange situation where the fix does not immediate reveal the vulnerability and reverse engineering isn't directly possible.
FTA Update: Dan just released a "DNS Checker" on his site Doxpara.com to see if you are vulnerable to the issue.
in other news
Sooooooo, Im supposed to run a random file on my network to check an unknown DNS issue...this just reminds me all too much of those "download our program to fix all your antispyware issues" alerts.
And finally the obligatory profit usage:
1. Find a vulerability
2. Dont tell anyone what said vulnerability is.
3. Release malware in the form of a "Patch" to "Fix" the issue exploiting thousands of servers.
what do you mean "we", I'm still waiting for this.
Of course I am also one of those guys still waiting for the media-less age where our infrastructure is strong enough that Terabytes can be pushed across the wire in a trivial way.
What I said: arrogant fools who think a CS degree is for dev/programming work don't understand what CS is != what you said I said: Computer Science is clearly not about programming. clearly you need to work on your rational skills. CS is not whatever you damn well want it to be, it is a defined field. I cannot say that a leaf is CS, I cannot say that my desk is CS. But I love listening to you Post-Modernists and your crap.
I will second this. I am A network Admin with A BSCS and I love it. I did not enjoy programming, it is a great tool but it is not what CS is about. All these arrogant fools who think a CS degree is for dev/programming work don't understand what CS is. Whether you are looking at a low level hardware developer or a tel-co coordinator. We are all operating in areas that are subsets of CS.
As a network admin I get to use a lot of cool technologies and watch them come together to do what I need. You use your CS knowledge a lot in an abstract sense. The bad part of it is you have to climb through a lot of muck to get to a Network admin level. You have to deal with a lot of people who don't understand the field and will be your boss. You will work for crap pay at first doing things that make you cringe. But you climb fast if you are smart and able to take opportunity when it presents itself. I am in the midwest, only 6 years out of college making well above 50K.
Stay away from 3rd party crap if you can, stay close to internal networking. 3rd parties aren't interested in really shaping technology, they just want to crank out a product and move on to the next paycheck. Internal IT gets to coordinate and work on the big projects and technologies. It is also far more rewarding to be part of a growing company and using your knowledge to solve issues and make business methods run smoother.
You wont use your programming as much but you will find it extraordinarily useful when talking to co-worker programmers, or writing scripts to automate a task, or just troubleshooting an error.
In summary: CS is not about coding, it is about shaping solutions via computational methods. I am not a programmer and I knew I wasnt in college, I was in your exact same situation a few years ago when I graduated and I LOVE what I do. Network administration is a blast.
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So depending on your life experiences eventually you will come to a conclusion that your entire life is a summation of interactions with other people and the only meaning to this life is to effect the life of society in general.
Then if you are really lucky, you will discover that all these mindsets are cyclical.
Of course this all will occur if you keep studying and learning about philosophy. Otherwise you will just maintain the current mindset only achieving the wisdom you already think you have which is exactly what happens to 90% of Christians out there :)
Enjoy the Journey.
Problem is the harsh reality of life, you do not suffer for your mistakes always, other people often have to suffer them for you and vice versa.
Anyway, the jist of what I said was just because we cant do something currently doesn't mean that someday we wont be able to do it. Always remember Clark's 3 laws
The problem here you are seeing is your own close mindedness, well maybe not close mindedness, but your hate for theism is over shrouding your reason by defining ID == 'Omnicient, Omnipotent, diety type spaghetti thing'. Which ID doesn't always imply. ID can be genetically engineered just as easily as it can be some form of theistic creation. What you want to say is that creationism by diety cannot be a scientific area, that is why we have theology and philosophy.
I fish for those people every once in a while, landed one just the other day :) Given it was a bad joke but I always love listening to broken people say it.
Which is also the reason I said it depends on what kind of ID we are talking about. If we are assuming some kind of Omnipotent being, then no, it is not science. But if we assume another limited being such as ourselves, it enters the realm of science.
But for argument's sake, yes, the pig can come up with a way to prove that I didn't create it (if indeed I hadn't) things like showing that it has a demonstrable mother, or a clone that is older etc. The reason we accept evolution is the demonstrable history we have. We can show ancestry so ID goes out the window for the most part.
If we ever get to the point that we can redesign the human genome or come up with a better product and terraform a planet say...mars..dump them off for a couple million years, you would be certain some kind of religion would develop ;) To an extent they would be right, they would be intelligently designed by us. And scientifically would not be able to show evolution unless they visited earth where all the historical data is.
If God is good, why is there such evil in the world?
If God is good then my do bad things happen?
Why does the Bible contradict itself?
Christians are too hypocritical.
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Come on those are too easy, there are much better and more fundamental questions than those 5th grade questions.
Religious faith I think is good for the world in general, atheism never has benefited any society, historically. So I think it is good to respect other religions and world views. But I have one caveat to that statement, I will respect your faith as long as you respect it. If you don't know your faith, or at least apologetically uphold your beliefs, I refuse to respect them, even if you are the same faith as myself.
I love defending my faith against someone well versed in the subject. What I HATE is someone using cliche phrases to defend something that should be natural to them. I can tear apart most Christians faith very very quickly because I know my own faith well. People that don't understand or know Christianity, it is trivial to defend oneself against such ignorance. Unfortunately in Christianity there are a lot more ignorant people out there making me look bad than I would like.
I ran across an interesting quote recently, wish I could find it, something like "How do we expect people to survive philosophically in a world with a 7th grade education in theology?". That is why I believe that there are so many quotable idiot religious nuts out there. And why it is so easy to leave faith upon stumbling on a pebble.
Depends on what form of ID is being discussed. If I genetically engineer a Pig (from a fundamental level, proteins and all) with 3 asses, that would be considered intelligent design. If the pig were of an intelligence level to plot out it's origins it may want to know why it evolved to have 3 asses, when in actuality it really didn't evolve and could prove it by finding the beakers and methods that led to its arrival.
Actually, the usual perspective is, priesthood is sought as an escape from their sins, a way to treat them, rather than treating it as a calling. They think if they become priests their pedophile desires will go away. Often enough this is the same situation in Psychiatry and Psychology as I had a Psychology PHD once explain to me that people go into psychology to figure out what is wrong with themselves.
In my local Christian school (Lutheran) they do this. Never really see secular schools do it, too 'controversial'. But the school I am talking about is big on making christian faith your own rather than just the one you have by default.
wow, first time I read that I read 1.5TB notebook drive....guess you read what you want to :)
One of the problems is, the games are much more complicated, code wise than they used to be. Hell even Warcraft 3 which is a rather simple game when compared to other games released at the same time was around 3-5 years late. WoW has been pretty good so far, but again the gameplay is very simple in comparison to other RPGs so they get to focus on Bandwith problems.
Sorry about the cheesy link, was too lazy to look for the original document, this one will do ;)
Read up on the fairness doctrine, there is a reason that the "conservative" crowd is screaming about this. Because, when it comes down to it, a lot of their shows on air will be canceled because it would be too controversial. Rush Limbaugh would have to have a show following his to show the other side. Christian radio stations would have to have Islamists and Buddhists on the same station and vice versa. Rather than just allow this the networks will cancel any "controversial" show.
It is censorship imposing democrats like this which are the reason I refuse to join the party. REGULATION REGULATION REGULATION, its like the little kid on the playground that all the teachers have to change the rules for because the game is too hard. Suck it up bitches and join the political arena, you have more members than any other party and will soon have control of our gov't. Soon you will take over broadcasting everywhere. This will be "no child left behind" all over again and far worse than the big brother moves by the bush administration. Mark my words.
Woah! Look where we are, I am allowed to be stereotypical here, if you don't behave as such they don't let you in ;)
You are no fun at all, humor is not to be analyzed it is to be enjoyed. Besides my quotes were from TFA if you would have actually read it.
sure, but it only works with step 1,2 and the elusive 3, geesh. At least usually you get told what the patch is for.
FTA Update: Dan just released a "DNS Checker" on his site Doxpara.com to see if you are vulnerable to the issue.
in other news
Sooooooo, Im supposed to run a random file on my network to check an unknown DNS issue...this just reminds me all too much of those "download our program to fix all your antispyware issues" alerts.
And finally the obligatory profit usage:
1. Find a vulerability
2. Dont tell anyone what said vulnerability is.
3. Release malware in the form of a "Patch" to "Fix" the issue exploiting thousands of servers.
4. ???
5. PROFIT!
Of course I am also one of those guys still waiting for the media-less age where our infrastructure is strong enough that Terabytes can be pushed across the wire in a trivial way.
What I said: arrogant fools who think a CS degree is for dev/programming work don't understand what CS is != what you said I said: Computer Science is clearly not about programming. clearly you need to work on your rational skills. CS is not whatever you damn well want it to be, it is a defined field. I cannot say that a leaf is CS, I cannot say that my desk is CS. But I love listening to you Post-Modernists and your crap.
Thought you would enjoy this then, if you are not an XKCD fan yet. http://www.xkcd.com/435/
As a network admin I get to use a lot of cool technologies and watch them come together to do what I need. You use your CS knowledge a lot in an abstract sense. The bad part of it is you have to climb through a lot of muck to get to a Network admin level. You have to deal with a lot of people who don't understand the field and will be your boss. You will work for crap pay at first doing things that make you cringe. But you climb fast if you are smart and able to take opportunity when it presents itself. I am in the midwest, only 6 years out of college making well above 50K.
Stay away from 3rd party crap if you can, stay close to internal networking. 3rd parties aren't interested in really shaping technology, they just want to crank out a product and move on to the next paycheck. Internal IT gets to coordinate and work on the big projects and technologies. It is also far more rewarding to be part of a growing company and using your knowledge to solve issues and make business methods run smoother.
You wont use your programming as much but you will find it extraordinarily useful when talking to co-worker programmers, or writing scripts to automate a task, or just troubleshooting an error.
In summary: CS is not about coding, it is about shaping solutions via computational methods. I am not a programmer and I knew I wasnt in college, I was in your exact same situation a few years ago when I graduated and I LOVE what I do. Network administration is a blast.