the us has the more stringent laws, of course. it is intentional that these other regions have less stringent laws. this has been actively encouraged by the west [think economic promtion of activities like ship reclamtion and demolition]. everything exists in a context.
as i said, the us ships it's waste to these areas. it helps mainatin the illusion that the current western lifestyle is sustainable as is. this is why the us [and many others] should help shoulder the burden. what will the us do if all these countries decide they are tired of having that waste dumped in their backyards? where will that waste go then? the citizens of anywhereville, idaho won't be happy to get that new toxic waste dump down by the old mill.
the majority of the recognized scientific community recognizes that we are doing considerable damage to the earth and that we are facing an oil crunch at some point in the not too distant future. as china and india become further industrialized and more demanding of western style comforts something is going to have to give. life as we know it will change at that moment.
in conclusion, to stick your head in the sand or to blame others is short-sighted and will do very little for you when things go bad. oh, and your country isn't as squeeky clean and full of nature as you'd like to think.
the point is that they would each be opening an identical account, including dollars invested. your analogy has one person buying a mini and the other a top-end tower.
these labels and their cartels are not posting monetary losses year after year, they are in fact still extremely profitable and are making tons of cash. hell, they seem to be opening new and highly lucrative revenue streams all the time [eg ringtone downloads].
until these organizations actually lose substantial money, i am not interested in their arguments about why they need to castrate all technology.
it is not your industry that is in jeapordy, but my culture.
window is the entire firefox instance, not a tab in that window. clicking on the x closes the entire window, as it should.
now, what you are really trying to say is that you are unable to adapt your behaviour to the new browsing paradigm [ie click the red tab-specific x, or use an extension giving you more tab functionality] and want to change an established ui paradigm to suit this fact.
seems to me that this is spam if they are an outside vendor and they aren't contacting him with an actual job offer.
tomorrow i will submit my article about how i received a 'job' offer from a twenty-year-old teenage virgin whore gone wild who is hopped up on verbal viagra and cheap meds from canada!
there are existing un treaties about exactly what you can do with/to/on a celestial body like mars and who can claim ownership. the us is a signatory to these treaties.
also, a private enterprise needs explicit authorization and supervision by an appropriate state party for any activities they intend.
"Your "little brother" statement is certainly true about Linux on the desktop. It offers no significant advantage over Windows, and at best is nothing more then a cheap knock-off. When Linux on the desktop can offer must-have features that matter to non-technical people, then it'll stand a chance."
this is clearly an attack on linux and a statement that windows is superior. i responded to precisely this.
you then told me how great you were and made this ridiculous statement:
"I can say for certain that Linux does not meet the criteria required for it to make any kind of dent in the market of consumer operating systems."
factually challenged? - check.
you keep trying to change your arguments, including introducing numerous strawmen, and making entirely unproven assumptions about my knowledge/experience [i have handled marketing budgets in excess of 100k/month].
the facts are not with you. you may feel that your arguments make logical sense, but they do not square with what is actually happening in the real world: linux is gaining significant marketshare from windows and will continue to do so for the reasons i outlined.
i however haven't been evangelicizing. everything i have said re: linux is actually verifiable. what you have said is conjecture, faith-based and utterly incorrect [developers don't like linux as a development platform? lol! open standards don't matter? jesus.]. i don't have time to educate you further, but you can google your way out of ignorance in about ten minutes if you want to. hell, there have been stories on/. in the last day to disprove many of the things you say [eg ms just said they will refuse to support open doc].
i am done with this conversation. good night.
sum.zero
ps thanks for attempting to tell me how superior you are to me again. i thought you said you were a developer; what's your marketing background? don't bother replying because i don't really care.
they risk a large-scale negative reaction in order to attempt a push into a small, dying market niche.
as i have pointed out on groklaw, the companies running dbms on their unixware/openserver boxes will likely stick with their dbms when they move to another *nix.
companies hate switching dbms because it can get very messy very fast.
"Your "little brother" statement is certainly true about Linux on the desktop. It offers no significant advantage over Windows, and at best is nothing more then a cheap knock-off. When Linux on the desktop can offer must-have features that matter to non-technical people, then it'll stand a chance."
i responded to that statement and you now admit that my response was 100% accurate.
on to the rest.
linux doesn't need to do anything differently. despite your assertions, it is gaining marketshare in the desktop segment quite rapidly [depending on figures, at or above the level of osx now]. your assertions and flawed ipod/transmission analogies just don't hold up to the reality of the situation.
while you may want to gloss over the inherent unsecure nature of windows, i won't. linux provides a more stable and more secure platform on the average. yes, you can secure a windows box, but it will continue to have the flaws inherent in the incredibly poor design of ie, amongst other things. some of these flaws have not and may never be patched. these flaws lead to massive loss of data by individuals and very high-maintenance costs for it departments when the latest worm/virus does the rounds. every time this occurs, someone somewhere considers whether they might be better off without windows. and no, wine does not allow for the execution of system breaking viruses. there was an article about this on/. not too long ago.
as linux is an open system that supports open standards, you will [it is happening now] see increased interest and uptake by governments. governments represent the largest purchasing departments in the world. these entities are increasinly concerned with the behaviour of ms re: monopoly abuse, lockin and access to data. if ms doesn't jump on the clue train, they will be relegated to once beens. they have a substantial lobby around the world, but its influence isn't what they'd like outside of the us.
there are linux boxes available at walmart right now and they sell just fine. i believe they have linspire on them. walmart is not my cup of tea, but they have massive retail influence and have enough purchasing power [larger than some countries] to dictate terms to their suppliers. they dictated linux exactly because they grew tired of the ms tax on every computer.
in fact, most non-technical people want a device that does what they need for the cheapest price possible. they don't care what is in it. yes intel and windows have mindshare now, but this is also changing. people that didn't even know there were other oses now are aware of linux. further, large, well-established companies like ibm are now actively developing and promoting linux heavily. this will increase consumer confidence and mindshare.
linux usage is also growing by leaps and bounds in developing nations that cannot afford ms software [even crippled versions] and are unhappy with ms' business practices. this represents a vast potential install-base for linux. i only see it increasing, especially as it is pushed by the local governments with regularity through technology inititiatives.
ms has consistently shown themselves to be ethically challenged. while you may think that means nothing, it does. we have likely not seen the last of the legal actions against ms on anti-trust grounds. regular people may not care about this much, but when faced with a never-ending stream of headlines about the latest bad dealings and security holes in windows, people will and are starting to question whether ms is the right choice for them. freedom is important to people and a negative image harms your business in the long run. just wait till vista and people discover how it cripples video to non-drm equipped displays...
as another has said, because linux is open, it attracts developers. this leads to rapid advancements in many areas and provides an excellent testing environment across a large range of hardware. ms can't compete with this. look at teh c
i made several exactly on-point responses to your statements about the linux desktop. reread my initial post.
i did use your posting history to establish that you have a clear pro-ms/anti-linux bias and to make a guess ["i am thinking..."] that you have limited experience with the linux desktop itself. i stand by that.
you did not respond to my statements on linux desktops or speak to me about your extensive experience with linux.
instead you chose to puff up your chest and rant about how successful/important you [think you] are and that i should just trust that your opinion is correct because you just know it is ["I can say for certain that Linux does not meet the criteria required for it to make any kind of dent in the market of consumer operating systems."]. you also engaged in a number of logical fallacies and strawman arguments based entirely on conjecture about ipods, cars and windows vs. linux.
as i said in my last post, i don't see any point in continuing this discussion because you haven't shown the ability to stay on topic or to distinguish between your own opinion and fact. 'please respond only if you' are going to make accurate, verifiable defenses of your statements about the linux desktop.
the vast majority of the existing song catalogues are owned by a handful of companies, most with investments in drm and/or proprietary formats [eg sony]. so, by your logic, people should buy pretty much nothing. most of the stuff they want isn't available in a format they would like, never mind from a different company. the big content companies created this environment on purpose.
most people don't really understand drm at all and are shocked when their new cd doesn't play in their car stereo and what not. yes, they should read the small print, but they have grown accustomed to having certain rights.
i won't get into the ms statement except to say that it is incorrect. ms is a convicted monopolist.
i guess i'm under the wrong impression as to the purpose of/. see, i thought it was a discussion forum...
frankly i don't see any real point in continuing this 'discussion' at all, never mind in private. i don't expect the quality of your responses to improve or for them to be any more on-topic than your previous posts.
that was a rambling and self-congratulatory non-response to my statements.
reality does not concur with your arguments [and logical fallacies]; linux continues to gain traction in pretty much every area. frankly, considering how effective ms has been at protecting tehir monopoly in the desktop, i'm surprised linux has come this far this fast.
you joined to defend your 'review' of the ie7 beta in which you praise ms for creating 'superior software' and for adding new, innovative features.
now you claim the linux destop offers no significant advantage, is only for techies AND is a cheap knock off of windows.
the time lost and costs associated with the removal of adware, spyware and trojans is a significant disadvantage for ms windows. and that is just one of the advantages for linux that i care to mention atm.
there are a plethora of desktop environments for *nix, some of which are nothing like the windows ui. have you seen a modern linux desktop?
what are these missing features for non-technical people? file storage - check. internet browsing - check. office suite - check. media playback - check.
every post by you is decidely ms-centric, so i am thinking your experience with linux is fairly limited.
"you must be young, son because your head is all wrong" - me
Slashdot Mirror
"Which has the cleanest air? Water?"
;P
canada?
the us has the more stringent laws, of course. it is intentional that these other regions have less stringent laws. this has been actively encouraged by the west [think economic promtion of activities like ship reclamtion and demolition]. everything exists in a context.
as i said, the us ships it's waste to these areas. it helps mainatin the illusion that the current western lifestyle is sustainable as is. this is why the us [and many others] should help shoulder the burden. what will the us do if all these countries decide they are tired of having that waste dumped in their backyards? where will that waste go then? the citizens of anywhereville, idaho won't be happy to get that new toxic waste dump down by the old mill.
the majority of the recognized scientific community recognizes that we are doing considerable damage to the earth and that we are facing an oil crunch at some point in the not too distant future. as china and india become further industrialized and more demanding of western style comforts something is going to have to give. life as we know it will change at that moment.
in conclusion, to stick your head in the sand or to blame others is short-sighted and will do very little for you when things go bad. oh, and your country isn't as squeeky clean and full of nature as you'd like to think.
sum.zero
"Now, why should the U.S. foot the bill for the rest of the world?"
because a lot of that 'pollution' originated in the us?
because the other option is extinction?
that's just two off the top of my head. and no, the us is far from the only guilty party when it comes to shipping [ha ha] their problems elsewhere.
sum.zero
the point is that they would each be opening an identical account, including dollars invested. your analogy has one person buying a mini and the other a top-end tower.
sum.zero
there are packages available.
i have personally compiled tomcat from source for use with apache on linux and i don't remember having to write any startup scripts...
sum.zero
this is a server we're talking about, it's not supposed to have a gui ;P
sum.zero
these labels and their cartels are not posting monetary losses year after year, they are in fact still extremely profitable and are making tons of cash. hell, they seem to be opening new and highly lucrative revenue streams all the time [eg ringtone downloads].
until these organizations actually lose substantial money, i am not interested in their arguments about why they need to castrate all technology.
it is not your industry that is in jeapordy, but my culture.
that is all.
sum.zero
window is the entire firefox instance, not a tab in that window. clicking on the x closes the entire window, as it should.
now, what you are really trying to say is that you are unable to adapt your behaviour to the new browsing paradigm [ie click the red tab-specific x, or use an extension giving you more tab functionality] and want to change an established ui paradigm to suit this fact.
this is exactly the wrong approach to ui design.
sum.zero
"i was to lazy to verify the information given to me [despite the link] before i offered an opinion about it."
;P
that's not a very good excuse
sum.zero
she only gave a 900 number and i don't want the wife to see that on the bill. that might be hard to respond to...
/. is teh devil!
no, really honey. it was research for a slashdot article. no, i don't think it is good to lie to your partner, but...
i'm sorry. you're right;
sum.zero
seems to me that this is spam if they are an outside vendor and they aren't contacting him with an actual job offer.
;P
tomorrow i will submit my article about how i received a 'job' offer from a twenty-year-old teenage virgin whore gone wild who is hopped up on verbal viagra and cheap meds from canada!
sum.zero
ps ms encourages spam!
because he didn't get it in the first place
because he did it wrong
because you asked him not to do it
c'mon. it was so stupid i had to laugh.
sum.zero
there are existing un treaties about exactly what you can do with/to/on a celestial body like mars and who can claim ownership. the us is a signatory to these treaties.
also, a private enterprise needs explicit authorization and supervision by an appropriate state party for any activities they intend.
sum.zero
just how exactly does this company supposedly get the deed to mars itself so that they can dole out these mineral rights as they see fit?
sum.zero
this text is not here.
sum.zero
again:
/. in the last day to disprove many of the things you say [eg ms just said they will refuse to support open doc].
"Your "little brother" statement is certainly true about Linux on the desktop. It offers no significant advantage over Windows, and at best is nothing more then a cheap knock-off. When Linux on the desktop can offer must-have features that matter to non-technical people, then it'll stand a chance."
this is clearly an attack on linux and a statement that windows is superior. i responded to precisely this.
you then told me how great you were and made this ridiculous statement:
"I can say for certain that Linux does not meet the criteria required for it to make any kind of dent in the market of consumer operating systems."
factually challenged? - check.
you keep trying to change your arguments, including introducing numerous strawmen, and making entirely unproven assumptions about my knowledge/experience [i have handled marketing budgets in excess of 100k/month].
the facts are not with you. you may feel that your arguments make logical sense, but they do not square with what is actually happening in the real world: linux is gaining significant marketshare from windows and will continue to do so for the reasons i outlined.
i however haven't been evangelicizing. everything i have said re: linux is actually verifiable. what you have said is conjecture, faith-based and utterly incorrect [developers don't like linux as a development platform? lol! open standards don't matter? jesus.]. i don't have time to educate you further, but you can google your way out of ignorance in about ten minutes if you want to. hell, there have been stories on
i am done with this conversation. good night.
sum.zero
ps thanks for attempting to tell me how superior you are to me again. i thought you said you were a developer; what's your marketing background? don't bother replying because i don't really care.
that was funny. thanks for the laugh =)
sum.zero
they risk a large-scale negative reaction in order to attempt a push into a small, dying market niche.
as i have pointed out on groklaw, the companies running dbms on their unixware/openserver boxes will likely stick with their dbms when they move to another *nix.
companies hate switching dbms because it can get very messy very fast.
sum.zero
before they made this ill-conceived strategic decision.
sum.zero
you originally said linux"
/. not too long ago.
"Your "little brother" statement is certainly true about Linux on the desktop. It offers no significant advantage over Windows, and at best is nothing more then a cheap knock-off. When Linux on the desktop can offer must-have features that matter to non-technical people, then it'll stand a chance."
i responded to that statement and you now admit that my response was 100% accurate.
on to the rest.
linux doesn't need to do anything differently. despite your assertions, it is gaining marketshare in the desktop segment quite rapidly [depending on figures, at or above the level of osx now]. your assertions and flawed ipod/transmission analogies just don't hold up to the reality of the situation.
while you may want to gloss over the inherent unsecure nature of windows, i won't. linux provides a more stable and more secure platform on the average. yes, you can secure a windows box, but it will continue to have the flaws inherent in the incredibly poor design of ie, amongst other things. some of these flaws have not and may never be patched. these flaws lead to massive loss of data by individuals and very high-maintenance costs for it departments when the latest worm/virus does the rounds. every time this occurs, someone somewhere considers whether they might be better off without windows. and no, wine does not allow for the execution of system breaking viruses. there was an article about this on
as linux is an open system that supports open standards, you will [it is happening now] see increased interest and uptake by governments. governments represent the largest purchasing departments in the world. these entities are increasinly concerned with the behaviour of ms re: monopoly abuse, lockin and access to data. if ms doesn't jump on the clue train, they will be relegated to once beens. they have a substantial lobby around the world, but its influence isn't what they'd like outside of the us.
there are linux boxes available at walmart right now and they sell just fine. i believe they have linspire on them. walmart is not my cup of tea, but they have massive retail influence and have enough purchasing power [larger than some countries] to dictate terms to their suppliers. they dictated linux exactly because they grew tired of the ms tax on every computer.
in fact, most non-technical people want a device that does what they need for the cheapest price possible. they don't care what is in it. yes intel and windows have mindshare now, but this is also changing. people that didn't even know there were other oses now are aware of linux. further, large, well-established companies like ibm are now actively developing and promoting linux heavily. this will increase consumer confidence and mindshare.
linux usage is also growing by leaps and bounds in developing nations that cannot afford ms software [even crippled versions] and are unhappy with ms' business practices. this represents a vast potential install-base for linux. i only see it increasing, especially as it is pushed by the local governments with regularity through technology inititiatives.
ms has consistently shown themselves to be ethically challenged. while you may think that means nothing, it does. we have likely not seen the last of the legal actions against ms on anti-trust grounds. regular people may not care about this much, but when faced with a never-ending stream of headlines about the latest bad dealings and security holes in windows, people will and are starting to question whether ms is the right choice for them. freedom is important to people and a negative image harms your business in the long run. just wait till vista and people discover how it cripples video to non-drm equipped displays...
as another has said, because linux is open, it attracts developers. this leads to rapid advancements in many areas and provides an excellent testing environment across a large range of hardware. ms can't compete with this. look at teh c
i made several exactly on-point responses to your statements about the linux desktop. reread my initial post.
i did use your posting history to establish that you have a clear pro-ms/anti-linux bias and to make a guess ["i am thinking..."] that you have limited experience with the linux desktop itself. i stand by that.
you did not respond to my statements on linux desktops or speak to me about your extensive experience with linux.
instead you chose to puff up your chest and rant about how successful/important you [think you] are and that i should just trust that your opinion is correct because you just know it is ["I can say for certain that Linux does not meet the criteria required for it to make any kind of dent in the market of consumer operating systems."]. you also engaged in a number of logical fallacies and strawman arguments based entirely on conjecture about ipods, cars and windows vs. linux.
as i said in my last post, i don't see any point in continuing this discussion because you haven't shown the ability to stay on topic or to distinguish between your own opinion and fact. 'please respond only if you' are going to make accurate, verifiable defenses of your statements about the linux desktop.
thanks.
sum.zero
the vast majority of the existing song catalogues are owned by a handful of companies, most with investments in drm and/or proprietary formats [eg sony]. so, by your logic, people should buy pretty much nothing. most of the stuff they want isn't available in a format they would like, never mind from a different company. the big content companies created this environment on purpose.
most people don't really understand drm at all and are shocked when their new cd doesn't play in their car stereo and what not. yes, they should read the small print, but they have grown accustomed to having certain rights.
i won't get into the ms statement except to say that it is incorrect. ms is a convicted monopolist.
sum.zero
i guess i'm under the wrong impression as to the purpose of /. see, i thought it was a discussion forum...
frankly i don't see any real point in continuing this 'discussion' at all, never mind in private. i don't expect the quality of your responses to improve or for them to be any more on-topic than your previous posts.
ciao.
sum.zero
that was a rambling and self-congratulatory non-response to my statements.
reality does not concur with your arguments [and logical fallacies]; linux continues to gain traction in pretty much every area. frankly, considering how effective ms has been at protecting tehir monopoly in the desktop, i'm surprised linux has come this far this fast.
froth away though...
sum.zero
you only joined recently.
you joined to defend your 'review' of the ie7 beta in which you praise ms for creating 'superior software' and for adding new, innovative features.
now you claim the linux destop offers no significant advantage, is only for techies AND is a cheap knock off of windows.
the time lost and costs associated with the removal of adware, spyware and trojans is a significant disadvantage for ms windows. and that is just one of the advantages for linux that i care to mention atm.
there are a plethora of desktop environments for *nix, some of which are nothing like the windows ui. have you seen a modern linux desktop?
what are these missing features for non-technical people? file storage - check. internet browsing - check. office suite - check. media playback - check.
every post by you is decidely ms-centric, so i am thinking your experience with linux is fairly limited.
"you must be young, son
because your head is all wrong"
- me
sum.zero
ps i wrote this on a windows workstation
when ms get around to properly documenting their apis and start to use industry recognized open standards, interoperability will improve.
tell me how linux and apple are supposed to improve interoperability with these invisible, constantly moving goal posts?
sum.zero