I see your point about the difficulty, but in the case where there's no legal method to get a firearm the point is moot, since the only route is not legal.
Why the fuck is it the third grader that you jump on with this? There are *adults* in an elementary school. The goal *should* be not having "fucking lunatics" in the first place.
No, I'm not saying that. There should have been enough staff on hand with a firearm. The kids should be training on how to properly use one so that if they are in such a situation as an adult they wouldn't make it worse.
You forget that criminals, by definition do not follow laws, thus the means to obtain them is not necesarily the same channel. Law abiding citizens will be left with *nothing*, while criminals will steal and traffic them.
No, not at all like Zimmerman. That was a tragedy of a completely different caliber. He made a very bad choice. Weather he shot him or stabbed him is secondary, the point is he made a choice to attack, and took a life. Stupid.
The issue here is the violence, not the gun. The problem is with violence, not the tools used to commit violence. Stop the violence and you'll see no gun violence.
Look, it's entierly on the court system if they did not recognize the severity of his state. I'm not exactly a fan of *using* guns for their intended purpose. A master of martial arts is not exactly a fan of having to actually use it on someone either.
So you accuse me of talking out my ass and the proceed to do exactly that? "Supposedly worn a bullet proof vest" is irrelevant. I'll leave it to you to figure out what it feels like to be shot when you're wearing one.
The one spewing ignorant shit here, is you, buddy. There is no cure for the psychopath. The solution to preventing a tragedy like this is completely social, as it deals with mentally fucked up people. You want to prevent a tragedy like this? Stop posturing like you're something special and belitteling others, then, maybe, you won't piss off the wrong person who's prone to fantasize about slitting your throat.
I find it amusing that you're flying off the handle here and at the same time calling yourself the adult. Overract much?
So it's a numbers game to you? Frankly, I don't care if it's 1, or 100, it's the same problem either way, some crazy nut is killing people and needs to be stopped.
I went to school in Israel. In israel, many citizens own and carry a handgun as a matter of course. The school was guarded by a guard with an M16 automatic assult rifle (the kind that can actually sprey bullets) -- every school is. This is the only recent reference to a school shooting I've been able to find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre, and not much else save for an incident in the 70's. Note, here, this was also a nut with a gun of somewhat different circumstances. Note the fallout, specifically the numbers and how he was stopped.
As for a real firefight, no, I have not, I was too young. It was somewhat unnerving overhearing the actual military firefights off in the distance though.
And stop calling me John Wayne, you prick. You've assumed, quite incorrectly that this hadn't actually played out. Sorry to burst your bubble, it has played out, and a trained individual will be able to help.
Is it just because I've said that a time comes that a gun is the right tool that you think I'm some cowboy? Let me put it this way "I ain't from 'round these parts."
Next time keep your knees from jerking, you might break your own nose.
Are you for real? The problem isn't poverty? The problem isn't mental? And now the "facinated by guns" strawman? Understanding what a tool is for and how to deal with life and death situations is not a facination. Back up 100 years and this was *survival*. You don't live in a perfect world. Frankly, it's a very nasty place to be.
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No, I am stating that single bullet through his skull would have stopped him.
Or an armed guard (with an M16), like my school had.
I see your point about the difficulty, but in the case where there's no legal method to get a firearm the point is moot, since the only route is not legal.
Why the fuck is it the third grader that you jump on with this? There are *adults* in an elementary school. The goal *should* be not having "fucking lunatics" in the first place.
Did I say that? I said "easy access"? Perhaps you should reread.
No, I'm not saying that. There should have been enough staff on hand with a firearm. The kids should be training on how to properly use one so that if they are in such a situation as an adult they wouldn't make it worse.
America is not the only place on the planet.
seemed to have helped in this case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
They pretend to be normal people, but they are lunatics to start with before they purchase. Very very seldom does someone wake up one day insane.
I feel like I'm spamming this link, but in this case the gunman was stopped by a STUDENT http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
I'm not american.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
You forget that criminals, by definition do not follow laws, thus the means to obtain them is not necesarily the same channel. Law abiding citizens will be left with *nothing*, while criminals will steal and traffic them.
No, not at all like Zimmerman. That was a tragedy of a completely different caliber. He made a very bad choice. Weather he shot him or stabbed him is secondary, the point is he made a choice to attack, and took a life. Stupid.
The issue here is the violence, not the gun. The problem is with violence, not the tools used to commit violence. Stop the violence and you'll see no gun violence.
You help the mentaly ill before they start shooting.
Look, it's entierly on the court system if they did not recognize the severity of his state. I'm not exactly a fan of *using* guns for their intended purpose. A master of martial arts is not exactly a fan of having to actually use it on someone either.
How about a student? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre
So you accuse me of talking out my ass and the proceed to do exactly that? "Supposedly worn a bullet proof vest" is irrelevant. I'll leave it to you to figure out what it feels like to be shot when you're wearing one.
The one spewing ignorant shit here, is you, buddy. There is no cure for the psychopath. The solution to preventing a tragedy like this is completely social, as it deals with mentally fucked up people. You want to prevent a tragedy like this? Stop posturing like you're something special and belitteling others, then, maybe, you won't piss off the wrong person who's prone to fantasize about slitting your throat.
I find it amusing that you're flying off the handle here and at the same time calling yourself the adult. Overract much?
So it's a numbers game to you? Frankly, I don't care if it's 1, or 100, it's the same problem either way, some crazy nut is killing people and needs to be stopped.
I went to school in Israel. In israel, many citizens own and carry a handgun as a matter of course. The school was guarded by a guard with an M16 automatic assult rifle (the kind that can actually sprey bullets) -- every school is. This is the only recent reference to a school shooting I've been able to find http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercaz_HaRav_massacre, and not much else save for an incident in the 70's. Note, here, this was also a nut with a gun of somewhat different circumstances. Note the fallout, specifically the numbers and how he was stopped.
As for a real firefight, no, I have not, I was too young. It was somewhat unnerving overhearing the actual military firefights off in the distance though.
And stop calling me John Wayne, you prick. You've assumed, quite incorrectly that this hadn't actually played out. Sorry to burst your bubble, it has played out, and a trained individual will be able to help.
Is it just because I've said that a time comes that a gun is the right tool that you think I'm some cowboy? Let me put it this way "I ain't from 'round these parts."
Next time keep your knees from jerking, you might break your own nose.
No, dense populations breed poverty and disperity which breeds fuckwits. Is this honestly that hard to follow?
You've just lumped 311,591,917 different individuals into a single entity. On that premise alone your comment is stupid.
Are you for real? The problem isn't poverty? The problem isn't mental? And now the "facinated by guns" strawman? Understanding what a tool is for and how to deal with life and death situations is not a facination. Back up 100 years and this was *survival*. You don't live in a perfect world. Frankly, it's a very nasty place to be.
Switzerland, now what?