seems like MS is tired of russian piracy to the point they aren't even trying to make money there anymore.
Corporations don't get tired and they never stop trying to make money. At the very limit they might decide that there's not enough money to be had from a market to bother, but that's not what I understood from the (translated) article. It looks to me like MS opposed this move by Russia. If MS is a member of the committee that recommended a free alternative to Windows, then you can bet the their rep was fighting that decision the whole way.
"DRM" only kick in...with copy-protection bits... Vista is in some tests...slower than XP... It's a phenomenon known as "more code".
Are you serious? "DRM doesn't make Vista slower. Extra code makes Vista slower."
News Flash: It's an operating system. Its only job is to run other programs as securely, stably, and quickly as possible. Do you think anybody cares why it's slower? The shills keep screaming, "It's not the DRM! It's not the DRM!" Who cares? Who cares?! Vista is slower. It's not better, just slower. No, I can't justify anybody's claims that DRM is the cause of the slowness. Let MS justify to me the cause of the slowness, and let there logic go just one step beyond "Hey, it's for sure not the DRM, because the DRM never runs".
I'm not saying that your argument is full of crap, I'm just saying that it's just a bunch of made up stuff.
If you put these types on OSX or Linux they would break just as much as they do on Windows.
You had me up to that line. I have managed 4 desktop computers at a youth drop-in center for a year and a half now. We have all three of your types using these machines on a nightly basis.
On my first day all four computers ran xp Home with the youth using just the guest account. All four computers were heavily infested with you-name-it. The hard drives never stopped churning and the router lights never stopped blinking, 30 minutes after logging out.
I spent that first evening exorcising the demons on what appeared to be the worst of the four stations. I gave it a clean bill of health, tightened up security here and there, and called it a night. I decided that night that I would clean out one machine per week.
I went back for round 2 a week later and the one I had cleaned the week previous was back to its original state.
I spoke to the management and obtained permission and funds to do some minor hardware upgrades on the office computer. All the hard drives got pulled from the youth computers and assembled into a RAID on the office computer, on which I did a fresh default install of Ubuntu and ltsp. I created an account for every youth that wanted one and told them to have fun. I even installed limewire and showed some of them how to grab torrents using deluge and transmission.
A year and a half later and not a single breakage. No pop-ups, no churning disks, no dead family of five. I'm effectively unemployed with this organization.
Go ahead and tell me that Windows can be made secure. Yeah, I know. I work in 3 schools and it's all Windows or nothing, and the IT people (not me) have done a great job of locking things down and generally keeping things ticking. But that's far from default configuration.
no, "these types", the same ones who had 4 xp desks in a perpetually broken state, even with AV and limited accounts, haven't broken a default linux install yet.
I cursed the Win7 control panel and its lack of classic view when all I wanted to do was switch my primary and secondary mouse buttons. I must have spent a good 2 minutes routing through the categories until I finally found the "Show all Control Panels" button (why isn't it on the left, where "Classic View" used to live?).
Yeah, if I had known I could search for control panels then it probably would have been a lot easier, but honestly, if I can't even find a mouse control panel in that mess...
And then there's my age-old peeve of "Internet Options". What is this abomination? Mostly application preferences for Internet Explorer, mixed in with a few bona fide system settings, disguised as a real control panel. Define obfuscated.
is there anyone here who really believes Macs are something more than generic PC hardware which is allowed to play use their DRM'd OS?
I believe they're something more. The excellent and DRM'd OS aside, I happen to really like the minimalist design of the Mac mini and the imac. They're beautiful and practically silent.
I build my own desktops, and with a carefully chosen case, psu, cpu, hsf, and graphics card and a free OS I can get a system almost as quiet as the mac mini for a little less money, but not nearly as tiny or beautiful.
Mormons are not Christians. And neither are Jehovah's Witnesses, for that matter. This may be a subject for debate, and of course the definition of "Christian" is a pretty blurry one.
Check your dictionary. Mine says "following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ" (Word Net 2.0). I found about a dozen other definitions on-line, and they all read pretty much like that. Personally, I think the definition of 'Christian' is at least as clear as the definition of 'German', 'Canadian' or 'Italian'.
the church is Christian if it accepts any of the existing versions of the Nicene Creed as their symbol of faith
None of the definitions I could find mentioned the word "Nicene" in any form. Perhaps your definition is better suited to the word 'Nicene' than 'Christian'. That's not to say that the Nicene sects aren't also Christian, if they believe and follow the teachings of Christ, as the Mormons and the Witnesses do.
so it's not actually Microsoft that's suggesting that people switch browsers
Au contraire. "I cannot recommend people switch due to this one flaw". Translation: We've given you countless reasons to switch already. Here's one more.
IE users (and Windows users in general) remind me of the plight of the abused spouse, caught in the endless cyle of abuse. This is phase 2. A fix has been promised for tomorrow. That's phase 3. How many times is the average victim victimized before they leave? Way too many.
and with relatively good hardware (dual 64-bit CPUs, 10k RPM SATA drives, 4GB of RAM, etc.) it can take hours to perform even a simple search with a small list
I believe that's why Vista introduced Instant Search. Johnny Law just needs to call ahead and ask the suspect to ensure that it's enabled and properly configured. And that the suspect has at least 4GB of RAM installed, and dual 64-bit CPUs. Also, it would be helpful if the suspect left the computer on so the police don't have to wait around for Vista and Norton and HP to spin up. Hmm. I'm starting to see your point.
Vista reserves 1 GB to itself, so your system will only ever have 3 GB available for processes.
Not exactly. 32-bit OSes won't normally report more than about 3.2 GiB of system RAM, as a 32-bit OS can only address 4 GiB (PAE/himem aside), and the upper addresses are reserved for hardware.
64-bit OSes (even Vista) will use and report RAM to much higher upper limits.
thinks "Virtual Memory" is the same thing as paging...
Mac Classic (OS 8 for sure) used the term "Virtual Memory" the same way Windows today uses "Page File" or unix uses "swap", so you can at least understand why some people might be confused by this.
A couple of quick fixes to improve Ubuntu's startup time:
edit/etc/init.d/rc and change "concurrency=none" to "concurrency=shell". This speeds up booting on multi-core/cpu systems and has no effect on single-core/cpu systems.
Install 'readahead'. Next time you boot use grub's editor to temporarily add "profile" as a boot option. Booting will take longer this time but should be quicker in the future.
You could also install 'bootchart' to get a better look at booting and find ways to pare things down further.
Well I live in Canada, and most people I know use electric heating...(Montreal area)
To be fair, when snowraver1 said 'Canada', I think he actually was referring to Alan Fotheringham's 'TROC'(The Rest Of Canada), i.e., the unwashed masses outside of the 401 corridor.
Here in Alberta, as in much of western TROC, it's good old natural gas.
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the whole idea that linux is better or cheaper then MS is not true for the avg user
Tight logic. Tight like a dish.~
seems like MS is tired of russian piracy to the point they aren't even trying to make money there anymore.
Corporations don't get tired and they never stop trying to make money. At the very limit they might decide that there's not enough money to be had from a market to bother, but that's not what I understood from the (translated) article. It looks to me like MS opposed this move by Russia. If MS is a member of the committee that recommended a free alternative to Windows, then you can bet the their rep was fighting that decision the whole way.
I think this could be a delaying tactic by Microsoft.
What, the buggy documents, or the whining about infoworld?
"DRM" only kick in...with copy-protection bits... Vista is in some tests...slower than XP... It's a phenomenon known as "more code".
Are you serious? "DRM doesn't make Vista slower. Extra code makes Vista slower."
News Flash: It's an operating system. Its only job is to run other programs as securely, stably, and quickly as possible. Do you think anybody cares why it's slower? The shills keep screaming, "It's not the DRM! It's not the DRM!" Who cares? Who cares?! Vista is slower. It's not better, just slower. No, I can't justify anybody's claims that DRM is the cause of the slowness. Let MS justify to me the cause of the slowness, and let there logic go just one step beyond "Hey, it's for sure not the DRM, because the DRM never runs".
I'm not saying that your argument is full of crap, I'm just saying that it's just a bunch of made up stuff.
Shorter boot time. With that one exception I think you make a solid point.
If you put these types on OSX or Linux they would break just as much as they do on Windows.
You had me up to that line. I have managed 4 desktop computers at a youth drop-in center for a year and a half now. We have all three of your types using these machines on a nightly basis.
On my first day all four computers ran xp Home with the youth using just the guest account. All four computers were heavily infested with you-name-it. The hard drives never stopped churning and the router lights never stopped blinking, 30 minutes after logging out.
I spent that first evening exorcising the demons on what appeared to be the worst of the four stations. I gave it a clean bill of health, tightened up security here and there, and called it a night. I decided that night that I would clean out one machine per week.
I went back for round 2 a week later and the one I had cleaned the week previous was back to its original state.
I spoke to the management and obtained permission and funds to do some minor hardware upgrades on the office computer. All the hard drives got pulled from the youth computers and assembled into a RAID on the office computer, on which I did a fresh default install of Ubuntu and ltsp. I created an account for every youth that wanted one and told them to have fun. I even installed limewire and showed some of them how to grab torrents using deluge and transmission.
A year and a half later and not a single breakage. No pop-ups, no churning disks, no dead family of five. I'm effectively unemployed with this organization.
Go ahead and tell me that Windows can be made secure. Yeah, I know. I work in 3 schools and it's all Windows or nothing, and the IT people (not me) have done a great job of locking things down and generally keeping things ticking. But that's far from default configuration.
no, "these types", the same ones who had 4 xp desks in a perpetually broken state, even with AV and limited accounts, haven't broken a default linux install yet.
I cursed the Win7 control panel and its lack of classic view when all I wanted to do was switch my primary and secondary mouse buttons. I must have spent a good 2 minutes routing through the categories until I finally found the "Show all Control Panels" button (why isn't it on the left, where "Classic View" used to live?).
Yeah, if I had known I could search for control panels then it probably would have been a lot easier, but honestly, if I can't even find a mouse control panel in that mess...
And then there's my age-old peeve of "Internet Options". What is this abomination? Mostly application preferences for Internet Explorer, mixed in with a few bona fide system settings, disguised as a real control panel. Define obfuscated.
very few Windows(R) apps are 64bit compiled
Fixed that for you.
when can I get a video card that doesn't take up half my case and melts down after 6 months of use? Not to mention, doesn't cost an arm and a leg.
2006?
is there anyone here who really believes Macs are something more than generic PC hardware which is allowed to play use their DRM'd OS?
I believe they're something more. The excellent and DRM'd OS aside, I happen to really like the minimalist design of the Mac mini and the imac. They're beautiful and practically silent.
I build my own desktops, and with a carefully chosen case, psu, cpu, hsf, and graphics card and a free OS I can get a system almost as quiet as the mac mini for a little less money, but not nearly as tiny or beautiful.
Mormons are not Christians. And neither are Jehovah's Witnesses, for that matter. This may be a subject for debate, and of course the definition of "Christian" is a pretty blurry one.
Check your dictionary. Mine says "following the teachings or manifesting the qualities or spirit of Jesus Christ" (Word Net 2.0). I found about a dozen other definitions on-line, and they all read pretty much like that. Personally, I think the definition of 'Christian' is at least as clear as the definition of 'German', 'Canadian' or 'Italian'.
the church is Christian if it accepts any of the existing versions of the Nicene Creed as their symbol of faith
None of the definitions I could find mentioned the word "Nicene" in any form. Perhaps your definition is better suited to the word 'Nicene' than 'Christian'. That's not to say that the Nicene sects aren't also Christian, if they believe and follow the teachings of Christ, as the Mormons and the Witnesses do.
so it's not actually Microsoft that's suggesting that people switch browsers
Au contraire. "I cannot recommend people switch due to this one flaw". Translation: We've given you countless reasons to switch already. Here's one more.
IE users (and Windows users in general) remind me of the plight of the abused spouse, caught in the endless cyle of abuse. This is phase 2. A fix has been promised for tomorrow. That's phase 3. How many times is the average victim victimized before they leave? Way too many.
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Every Christian church considers itself the (or a part of a) "One, holy, catholic, and apostolic Church" from the Nicene creed
False.
and with relatively good hardware (dual 64-bit CPUs, 10k RPM SATA drives, 4GB of RAM, etc.) it can take hours to perform even a simple search with a small list
I believe that's why Vista introduced Instant Search. Johnny Law just needs to call ahead and ask the suspect to ensure that it's enabled and properly configured. And that the suspect has at least 4GB of RAM installed, and dual 64-bit CPUs. Also, it would be helpful if the suspect left the computer on so the police don't have to wait around for Vista and Norton and HP to spin up. Hmm. I'm starting to see your point.
Vista reserves 1 GB to itself, so your system will only ever have 3 GB available for processes.
Not exactly. 32-bit OSes won't normally report more than about 3.2 GiB of system RAM, as a 32-bit OS can only address 4 GiB (PAE/himem aside), and the upper addresses are reserved for hardware.
64-bit OSes (even Vista) will use and report RAM to much higher upper limits.
Or something like that.
thinks "Virtual Memory" is the same thing as paging...
Mac Classic (OS 8 for sure) used the term "Virtual Memory" the same way Windows today uses "Page File" or unix uses "swap", so you can at least understand why some people might be confused by this.
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Startup times
A couple of quick fixes to improve Ubuntu's startup time:
edit /etc/init.d/rc and change "concurrency=none" to "concurrency=shell". This speeds up booting on multi-core/cpu systems and has no effect on single-core/cpu systems.
Install 'readahead'. Next time you boot use grub's editor to temporarily add "profile" as a boot option. Booting will take longer this time but should be quicker in the future.
You could also install 'bootchart' to get a better look at booting and find ways to pare things down further.
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Next week's news: Windows 7 is actually--surprise!--Windows Mojave!
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Well I live in Canada, and most people I know use electric heating...(Montreal area)
To be fair, when snowraver1 said 'Canada', I think he actually was referring to Alan Fotheringham's 'TROC'(The Rest Of Canada), i.e., the unwashed masses outside of the 401 corridor.
Here in Alberta, as in much of western TROC, it's good old natural gas.
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And would we be silly to assume that they've made some improvements to their speech recognition software since it was demoed in vista?
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Because I'm a...dumbass and didn't think about it....
Or could it be that you just didn't care, Lord Apathy?
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Proportionally, Vista is no more "bloated" than earlier versions of Windows
Sure, but earlier versions of Windows offered something in exchange for that bloat.
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...but what about the present????
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1. Visit www.getfirefox.com
2. Download FF3
3. Install FF3
4. Click a dozen or so security warnings in the process.
5. Never look back.
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Having run a bit of vista and Ubuntu on the same machine, I have to say 2008 runs a lot better than the one and not as well as the other ;)
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