Lest it be overlooked. The above poster is working for microsoft or a microsoft affilliate. This type of thinking doesn't occur naturally outside of redmond, and could be explained by a metallic brain or a metallic actuator implanted in said brain to stimulate conditioned responses and a guided train of thought.
Drone!
Schmuck!
You dont like linux.. Why? Your words say you don't like linux the business as it relates to microsoft especially, but your tone suggests a dislike for the/community/. You schmuck. Detractor. I dislike your kind. Please go the zdnet message board where your own kind can bore eachother with their uninspiring/ed comments.
Seeing how you are a paid drone of microsoft I will refer you to your own comments. Scum. You don't deserve an airing of the facts, fit for HUMAN ears. Go back to the aluminum mine from whence you came.
Microsoft != Monopoly ?!? Are you F'ing KIDDING ME!? Monopoly is a legal term, and they have been lagally found to be what is "termed" a monopoly. You can disagree with that legal appalation, but that requires a modicum of intelligence. Ok. So if microsoft isn't "legally" a monopoly, which I will assume you meant, then you would say something like "MS isn't a monopoly because linux exists and mac exists, etc, ad infinitum" but what you fail to comprehend is that microsoft owns all of the win32 api's and low level undocumented, but oft-utilized apis, and that these are what 99% of new software are written for!!! so while microsoft maybe/only/ have 95% of the market in desktop operating systems, they own 99.4% of the market in application interfaces.
Get a clue.. Oh and is microsoft hiring? I'm assuming they're gonna be liquidating their $15 billion in cash assets soon to maintain market share and expand it into other areas, using people like you for their dirty work.
Scmuck. I hope you wither on the vine microsoft has grafted you on.
IE is lousy too.... "what?!" you say... Yes it is lousy. It is also the most efficient web renderer out there. But take away the plugins and the heavy win* integration and that's all you have. A renderer. Big f'ing deal. Gecko will be as good in a year. And is already verrry sufficient.
If I hear IE as another argument to stick with windows, I would like to remind that person that they are referring to the plugins that IE has. Gecko, galeon, mozilla, nautilus, whatever, will all be as good as the core IE in short order. So stop your bitching!
You're right. maybe not satanic. But there's nothing as motivating as fighting satan.:)
I'm not religious myself.. But think, if we could get ossamma bin laden focused on microsoft instead of USA, we could save NYC, Washing D.C., and all we'd have to sacrifice is Redmond. Sounds like a plan!
OH MY GOD, HERE COMES THE ASTROTURF. LET ALL LINUX USERS BEWARE, MICROSOFT HAS SENT ITS MINIONS OUT TO DEBASE OUR GLORIOUS MOVEMENT. Don't listen to this shyster-head.
I CANT BELEIVE anyone would be so naive as to buy into microsoft's bullllllsh*t.
YOU SEEM HAPPY THAT MICROSOFT IS A MONOPOLY. May I aske, what your drug dealer PUT IN YOUR CRACK TODAY?
Omfg,... I will repeat again, the astroturf campaign is out in full force.
YES YES YES!!! You have tasted blood and you want mroe.. MORE.. WE CAN DESTROY MICROSOFT. Monopolies don't die gracefully, the implode with thermonuclear consequences!!!!
Uhmmmm, slashdot doesn't have an editorial board with an editorial opinion... unless of course you count "modding"...
Alas.. Microsoft just doesn't know how to fight in a world where the enemy isn't a business...
It's time to rally the troops. BSD, Linux, throw down your mice and stop fighting. There's a greater battle on the horizon. IBM, SUN, victims of past wars, feigning for glory, join us!.. Microsoft's evil empire can be destroyed, and we can do it - together with the pervasiveness of openness, the magnanimity of concession, the petulence of advocacy, and the hard work of millions of us on... on... on whatever we damn well want to work on! just so long as it's not microsoft API's.. come on, we can do it.
OH AND BY THE WAY, Microsoft has started the astroturf campains. Either that or the pro-microsoft drones are coming out of the woodwork for god knows what reason come up with lame excuses for a satanic monopolistic corperation with only self-interest in mind.
The Jihad has started. And although the aftermath may not be pretty, it's sure gonna be one hell of an adrenaline rush!!
he says in this interview that the open source concept is 'one notch better' when you keep the code to yourself. And Corel wonders why the communnity never received them with open arms?
Maybe the second realization relates to the first in some way?
Corel needs to crawl under the rock they came out of. I'm trying to think of something corel has actually produced, not word perfect, which they inherited from novel. A graphical installer? I mean, what?! Either they have 10 employees or the Canadian government heavily subsidises them.
I dont think you get it. Have you ever heard about the business school story about the pencil? The story talks about how the production of a pencil involved tens of thousands of people in tens of countries all cooperating according the rules of the free market. The wood in the pencil has to be chopped down in oregon by company a, be processes with gum added to it by company b, cut, painted by company c. The metal in the eraser rim, the graphite in the "lead" the paint on the wood, the packaging the pencils come in, how they are shipped, etc. No one company can do all those things. Nor would a company try. It's not economical.
No think of Microsoft and Java/GNU/etc.. Which approach is more efficient and less prone to mistakes and monopolistic vertical integration? The latter of course. Now think about how microsoft will either totally restructure in a few years or go out of business in a massive liquidation of assets. Monopolies do have a way of sulf sustaining themselves. The health of the monopoly is more important than any idealistic verticle integration tactic (.NET) despite all the egos involved.
I can see how you'd think this, being used to all the back-ported features of 2.4 in 2.2.
Where do you think USB came from... 2.2? What about the pnp subsystem, and the resource management that came thence.
I'd say the advanced made in 2.4 were 50% enterprise, 50% desktop.
"It's the desktop, stupid" -- Linux Torvalds.
I think that's the direction of the kernel development. Linus is already shying away from NUMA and other esoteric big-box features. I think he alludes somewhere that he'd rather see a fork before he adds support for NUMA which would through the perfmance balance way out of whack and make your desktop perform at least a few speed grades lower.
I was inferring from the text what you say he never said. It is literally true that he did not say them, but it is nevertheless possible to infer that he meant them. I ain't gonna go into it -- tough.
Sorry to hear you couldn't install the nvidia drivers correctly/optimally. Linux isn't for everyone (thank god).
I agree. Freebsd is a solid work. So is linux. Is it arguable that overall, freebsd bests linux? Maybe. I don't care. I use linux 2.4. Linux 2.2 is dead.
I am saddened by your misunderstanding of my commentary on be-fan's response. I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear.
I'm not even necessarily mad.
To say that X is better than Y is a totally unqualified comparison, and is meaningless to me.
Personally, I think ReiserFS and nvidia-driver are very good. So you misunderstood that. I was criticizing his response that reiserfs and nvidia-driver are not standard components and therefore show that linux's assumed standards are lacking, because both of these products are top-class.
You sound like a friendly chap. Maybe a bit out of your league, but that's ok.
Probably. Linux's 1.5% of the market dwarfs BeOS's 0.5%. Its neat to see people fighting over the crumbs from Windows' plate.
Your numbers are almost certainly wrong, but point taken. Yes it is ironic that I am arguing market share (popularity) when there is a 12 ton gorilla looming over it all. I don't consider Windows as an "alternative". Windows to me is like our current Hard Wire telephone infrastructure. It's there, it works, and every has it, or can get it easily. In this anaology linux would be like your wireless or cellular technology, or even DSL or cable -- whatever. The point is, who cares what the percentage of cellular is to hard-wire phone? The point is that cellular is growing very rapidly and has huge investments from many different companies, not one or two in the case of hard-phone technology.
<I>Why would you bother mentioning that something was both subjective and unsubstantiated?</I>
Well, since your imagination fails you, here's a simple hypothetical:
-Someone makes a subjective statement.
-It is reasonable to assume that a subjective statement can be made in the current case.
-It is furthermore reasonable to assume that the subjective conclusion made is reasonable and even logical.
...Given that, why is it too much to ask for a substantiated opinion? (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, you obviously rushed your comment out)
<i> Thats the thing about Open Source software. No one ever says "I'll be fixing that problem shortly." All one ever hears is "Someone else will probably fix that sometime." The movement has a handful of coders and a whole bunch of dead weight.</i>
You are generalizing. I was referring specifically to the case of nvidia's drivers and reiserfs. Wile I would even go so far as to say that your claim about the linux community is true (that they exaggerate the idea that coders are constantly fixing problems), it is certainly not true in my limited, perfunctory example.
<i>Invest in a copy of Windows 2000, both of you. You will be much happier, and will be much more productive.</i>
I appreciate your interest in my well-being, but I beleive it has more to do with your resentment of linux and your cynical attitude that windows is everything to everyone. I am very happy with linux, thank you very much. As for my productivity, well I'm living at home with my mom, I'm 22, and I don't have a college degree. ie, it's irrelevent. Sucker.
It appears that your underlying motivation for detracting from linux is that you hate linux's growing popularity because it overwhelms BeOS' popularity.
First of all, FreeBSD is basicly a distribution like Debian is, and like Redhat is. The only difference is that FreeBSD has its own kernel as well.
As far as your opinion that FreeBSD feels slick, that is a totally subjective, not to mention unsubstantiated, claim, that I will call it a frivolous comparison made to make linux look bad.
Nvidia, ReiserFS, etc, although they aren't default in linux distributions, they are none-the-less fully compatable with 99.9999% of things out there, and if there is an incompatability that hole will most surely be paved over momentarily.
Mr BeOS advocate general, I guess we can call you that, your fanaticism is very apparent. I appreciate your interest in Beos, and hope BeOS succeeds in the way you want it to. But I don't appreciate your niggardly, constant detraction from linux. I think you have ulterior motives. I understand that you, yourself may not have come to terms with these motives, as they appear to be rooted in your emotional synapses.
Btw, are you on permanent (Score: 2) or something? Strange...
Does the scope of the LSB cover anything that apt might play a role in?
If so, what are the opinions out there, with apt inclusion into LSB?
The LSB is very important and will go very far to discounting the naysayers (SUN, Microsoft among them) that linux will deteriorate into disparate competing factions that are mutually incompatable.
I use apt every day and consider it a vital part of my GNU/Linux distribution. If it becomes a part of any LSB standard then everyone else can enjoy the drug-like high of first experiencing apt goodness.
The aussies have really gone overboard with passing laws and regulations lately. It seems there have been many stories like this recently - with Australian regulations gone bad.
Maybe they need to chill out over there in Sydney (or whatever the capitol is). Maybe they should start electing some conservatives. I hear taxes are pretty bad there too.
I think besides the troll-like tone to this person's comments, he has a real point
Nanotech has never been used outside the laboratory in real-life conditions. It seems very fragile, etc...
Why reinvent the whell? The best nanotech already exists: THE LIVING CELL
Instead of neglecting billions of years of evolution, we should start breeding our own "nanotech" cells - via natural selection in a controlled environment with induced mutations and a nearly infinite resource of catalogued genes - to do our bidding, like eating up tar in lungs, killing viruses and alot of other good things.
Eastern religions in their practiced (not idealized) form are extrememly religious. I know you don't want to argue this point, but just as education, most Buddhists beleive in an afterlife and deities. Although you could argue that these things are merely symbolic, most practicing buddhusts think they physical realities.
I understand that religious people feel persecuted sometimes, but most of the time it isn't persecution, it's simply people thinking the religious people are nutz for havin crazy beleifs about an anthropomorphistic god who will whisk them off the fantasy land when they die.
Hey, I can't blame religious people for being religious and I sure as hell don't seem to be able to change their minds, but they shouldn't take it personally when people think they're being dumb.
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Lest it be overlooked. The above poster is working for microsoft or a microsoft affilliate. This type of thinking doesn't occur naturally outside of redmond, and could be explained by a metallic brain or a metallic actuator implanted in said brain to stimulate conditioned responses and a guided train of thought.
/community/. You schmuck. Detractor. I dislike your kind. Please go the zdnet message board where your own kind can bore eachother with their uninspiring/ed comments.
Drone!
Schmuck!
You dont like linux.. Why? Your words say you don't like linux the business as it relates to microsoft especially, but your tone suggests a dislike for the
Seeing how you are a paid drone of microsoft I will refer you to your own comments. Scum. You don't deserve an airing of the facts, fit for HUMAN ears. Go back to the aluminum mine from whence you came.
/only/ have 95% of the market in desktop operating systems, they own 99.4% of the market in application interfaces.
Microsoft != Monopoly ?!? Are you F'ing KIDDING ME!? Monopoly is a legal term, and they have been lagally found to be what is "termed" a monopoly. You can disagree with that legal appalation, but that requires a modicum of intelligence. Ok. So if microsoft isn't "legally" a monopoly, which I will assume you meant, then you would say something like "MS isn't a monopoly because linux exists and mac exists, etc, ad infinitum" but what you fail to comprehend is that microsoft owns all of the win32 api's and low level undocumented, but oft-utilized apis, and that these are what 99% of new software are written for!!! so while microsoft maybe
Get a clue.. Oh and is microsoft hiring? I'm assuming they're gonna be liquidating their $15 billion in cash assets soon to maintain market share and expand it into other areas, using people like you for their dirty work.
Scmuck. I hope you wither on the vine microsoft has grafted you on.
IE is lousy too.... "what?!" you say... Yes it is lousy. It is also the most efficient web renderer out there. But take away the plugins and the heavy win* integration and that's all you have. A renderer. Big f'ing deal. Gecko will be as good in a year. And is already verrry sufficient.
If I hear IE as another argument to stick with windows, I would like to remind that person that they are referring to the plugins that IE has. Gecko, galeon, mozilla, nautilus, whatever, will all be as good as the core IE in short order. So stop your bitching!
You're right. maybe not satanic. But there's nothing as motivating as fighting satan. :)
I'm not religious myself.. But think, if we could get ossamma bin laden focused on microsoft instead of USA, we could save NYC, Washing D.C., and all we'd have to sacrifice is Redmond. Sounds like a plan!
corel draw? Heh. worthless. Gimp runs on Win32 and Linux. Next?
OH MY GOD, HERE COMES THE ASTROTURF. LET ALL LINUX USERS BEWARE, MICROSOFT HAS SENT ITS MINIONS OUT TO DEBASE OUR GLORIOUS MOVEMENT. Don't listen to this shyster-head.
I CANT BELEIVE anyone would be so naive as to buy into microsoft's bullllllsh*t.
YOU SEEM HAPPY THAT MICROSOFT IS A MONOPOLY. May I aske, what your drug dealer PUT IN YOUR CRACK TODAY?
Omfg,... I will repeat again, the astroturf campaign is out in full force.
He certainly had no control over his extensions to KDE. When one writes an app using qt or KDE it MUST BE GPL"d...
As opposed to gnome/gtk, WHICH ARE BOTH LGPL..
This moron should have done some more research into -troll-tech before basing his business around some shady europeans with 5 o'clock shadows.
I'm going to spell it out for those easily flame-baited: KDE is pointless for commercial development, unless YOU BRIBE TROLLTECH. bahahahah..
IMPORTANT LIBRARIES SHOULD BE LGPL.. Trolltech knows this, too bad most of the community doesn't.
YES YES YES!!! You have tasted blood and you want mroe.. MORE.. WE CAN DESTROY MICROSOFT. Monopolies don't die gracefully, the implode with thermonuclear consequences!!!!
Uhmmmm, slashdot doesn't have an editorial board with an editorial opinion... unless of course you count "modding"...
Alas.. Microsoft just doesn't know how to fight in a world where the enemy isn't a business...
It's time to rally the troops. BSD, Linux, throw down your mice and stop fighting. There's a greater battle on the horizon. IBM, SUN, victims of past wars, feigning for glory, join us!.. Microsoft's evil empire can be destroyed, and we can do it - together with the pervasiveness of openness, the magnanimity of concession, the petulence of advocacy, and the hard work of millions of us on... on... on whatever we damn well want to work on! just so long as it's not microsoft API's.. come on, we can do it.
OH AND BY THE WAY, Microsoft has started the astroturf campains. Either that or the pro-microsoft drones are coming out of the woodwork for god knows what reason come up with lame excuses for a satanic monopolistic corperation with only self-interest in mind.
The Jihad has started. And although the aftermath may not be pretty, it's sure gonna be one hell of an adrenaline rush!!
Are you with me?!
he says in this interview that the open source concept is 'one notch better' when you keep the code to yourself. And Corel wonders why the communnity never received them with open arms?
Maybe the second realization relates to the first in some way?
Corel needs to crawl under the rock they came out of. I'm trying to think of something corel has actually produced, not word perfect, which they inherited from novel. A graphical installer? I mean, what?! Either they have 10 employees or the Canadian government heavily subsidises them.
I dont think you get it. Have you ever heard about the business school story about the pencil? The story talks about how the production of a pencil involved tens of thousands of people in tens of countries all cooperating according the rules of the free market. The wood in the pencil has to be chopped down in oregon by company a, be processes with gum added to it by company b, cut, painted by company c. The metal in the eraser rim, the graphite in the "lead" the paint on the wood, the packaging the pencils come in, how they are shipped, etc. No one company can do all those things. Nor would a company try. It's not economical.
No think of Microsoft and Java/GNU/etc.. Which approach is more efficient and less prone to mistakes and monopolistic vertical integration? The latter of course. Now think about how microsoft will either totally restructure in a few years or go out of business in a massive liquidation of assets. Monopolies do have a way of sulf sustaining themselves. The health of the monopoly is more important than any idealistic verticle integration tactic (.NET) despite all the egos involved.
I can see how you'd think this, being used to all the back-ported features of 2.4 in 2.2.
Where do you think USB came from... 2.2? What about the pnp subsystem, and the resource management that came thence.
I'd say the advanced made in 2.4 were 50% enterprise, 50% desktop.
"It's the desktop, stupid" -- Linux Torvalds.
I think that's the direction of the kernel development. Linus is already shying away from NUMA and other esoteric big-box features. I think he alludes somewhere that he'd rather see a fork before he adds support for NUMA which would through the perfmance balance way out of whack and make your desktop perform at least a few speed grades lower.
I was inferring from the text what you say he never said. It is literally true that he did not say them, but it is nevertheless possible to infer that he meant them. I ain't gonna go into it -- tough.
Sorry to hear you couldn't install the nvidia drivers correctly/optimally. Linux isn't for everyone (thank god).
I agree. Freebsd is a solid work. So is linux. Is it arguable that overall, freebsd bests linux? Maybe. I don't care. I use linux 2.4. Linux 2.2 is dead.
nor did I say those things.
I am saddened by your misunderstanding of my commentary on be-fan's response. I guess I wasn't sufficiently clear.
I'm not even necessarily mad.
To say that X is better than Y is a totally unqualified comparison, and is meaningless to me.
Personally, I think ReiserFS and nvidia-driver are very good. So you misunderstood that. I was criticizing his response that reiserfs and nvidia-driver are not standard components and therefore show that linux's assumed standards are lacking, because both of these products are top-class.
You sound like a friendly chap. Maybe a bit out of your league, but that's ok.
Probably. Linux's 1.5% of the market dwarfs BeOS's 0.5%. Its neat to see people fighting over the crumbs from Windows' plate.
Your numbers are almost certainly wrong, but point taken. Yes it is ironic that I am arguing market share (popularity) when there is a 12 ton gorilla looming over it all. I don't consider Windows as an "alternative". Windows to me is like our current Hard Wire telephone infrastructure. It's there, it works, and every has it, or can get it easily. In this anaology linux would be like your wireless or cellular technology, or even DSL or cable -- whatever. The point is, who cares what the percentage of cellular is to hard-wire phone? The point is that cellular is growing very rapidly and has huge investments from many different companies, not one or two in the case of hard-phone technology.
<I>Why would you bother mentioning that something was both subjective and unsubstantiated?</I>
Well, since your imagination fails you, here's a simple hypothetical:
-Someone makes a subjective statement.
-It is reasonable to assume that a subjective statement can be made in the current case.
-It is furthermore reasonable to assume that the subjective conclusion made is reasonable and even logical.
...Given that, why is it too much to ask for a substantiated opinion? (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this one, you obviously rushed your comment out)
<i> Thats the thing about Open Source software. No one ever says "I'll be fixing that problem shortly." All one ever hears is "Someone else will probably fix that sometime." The movement has a handful of coders and a whole bunch of dead weight.</i>
You are generalizing. I was referring specifically to the case of nvidia's drivers and reiserfs. Wile I would even go so far as to say that your claim about the linux community is true (that they exaggerate the idea that coders are constantly fixing problems), it is certainly not true in my limited, perfunctory example.
<i>Invest in a copy of Windows 2000, both of you. You will be much happier, and will be much more productive.</i>
I appreciate your interest in my well-being, but I beleive it has more to do with your resentment of linux and your cynical attitude that windows is everything to everyone. I am very happy with linux, thank you very much. As for my productivity, well I'm living at home with my mom, I'm 22, and I don't have a college degree. ie, it's irrelevent. Sucker.
Lol!
Timecop?
Silly mofo. I'm gonna beatchyo ass.
Your comments sound uninformed and rash.
It appears that your underlying motivation for detracting from linux is that you hate linux's growing popularity because it overwhelms BeOS' popularity.
First of all, FreeBSD is basicly a distribution like Debian is, and like Redhat is. The only difference is that FreeBSD has its own kernel as well.
As far as your opinion that FreeBSD feels slick, that is a totally subjective, not to mention unsubstantiated, claim, that I will call it a frivolous comparison made to make linux look bad.
Nvidia, ReiserFS, etc, although they aren't default in linux distributions, they are none-the-less fully compatable with 99.9999% of things out there, and if there is an incompatability that hole will most surely be paved over momentarily.
Mr BeOS advocate general, I guess we can call you that, your fanaticism is very apparent. I appreciate your interest in Beos, and hope BeOS succeeds in the way you want it to. But I don't appreciate your niggardly, constant detraction from linux. I think you have ulterior motives. I understand that you, yourself may not have come to terms with these motives, as they appear to be rooted in your emotional synapses.
Btw, are you on permanent (Score: 2) or something? Strange...
Does the scope of the LSB cover anything that apt might play a role in?
If so, what are the opinions out there, with apt inclusion into LSB?
The LSB is very important and will go very far to discounting the naysayers (SUN, Microsoft among them) that linux will deteriorate into disparate competing factions that are mutually incompatable.
I use apt every day and consider it a vital part of my GNU/Linux distribution. If it becomes a part of any LSB standard then everyone else can enjoy the drug-like high of first experiencing apt goodness.
No you dope. His logic is thus:
Something else was late.
Everyone said it was going to suck.
It didn't suck.
Mozilla is late.
Everyone says it sucks.
therefore
"Hopefully, Mozilla will turn out just as well."
That's exactly what he said. Stop trolling you schmuck.
The aussies have really gone overboard with passing laws and regulations lately. It seems there have been many stories like this recently - with Australian regulations gone bad.
Maybe they need to chill out over there in Sydney (or whatever the capitol is). Maybe they should start electing some conservatives. I hear taxes are pretty bad there too.
I think besides the troll-like tone to this person's comments, he has a real point
Nanotech has never been used outside the laboratory in real-life conditions. It seems very fragile, etc...
Why reinvent the whell? The best nanotech already exists:
THE LIVING CELL
Instead of neglecting billions of years of evolution, we should start breeding our own "nanotech" cells - via natural selection in a controlled environment with induced mutations and a nearly infinite resource of catalogued genes - to do our bidding, like eating up tar in lungs, killing viruses and alot of other good things.
-nick
Eastern religions in their practiced (not idealized) form are extrememly religious. I know you don't want to argue this point, but just as education, most Buddhists beleive in an afterlife and deities. Although you could argue that these things are merely symbolic, most practicing buddhusts think they physical realities.
Anyway..
Duh, religion is stupid and baseless.
I understand that religious people feel persecuted sometimes, but most of the time it isn't persecution, it's simply people thinking the religious people are nutz for havin crazy beleifs about an anthropomorphistic god who will whisk them off the fantasy land when they die.
Hey, I can't blame religious people for being religious and I sure as hell don't seem to be able to change their minds, but they shouldn't take it personally when people think they're being dumb.
-barneyfoo