SCO will NOT go open source as a whole, its has code licensed from a large group of other companies, include the original UNIX source. I seriously doubt SCO would be useful in any form without that code base.
What about BSDI/FreeBSD? Yes BSDI bought into the open source community when they bought walnut creek... one difference... there is ONE FreeBSD distribution, not 2000. Why wouldn't SCO and some off the wall company no one ever expects get together and through the SCO toolchain and userchain onto a linux kernel and make a real linux SYSV system?
Why are we making assumptions like linux is the end all of unix OSes on x86?
I swear, some of you guys are started to sound like you work for microshaft
Because most of the computer world still thinks Microsoft >IS the computer industry, and that fatter binaries are faster. 90% of the programmers in the world think they can write bad code and the compiler will optimize it making up for thier mistakes... but I've never seen a compiler yet that could make up for you re-reading the same database or file over and over and over
This isn't broken MS Software, this is broken html...... apostrophes are not valid in the charecter set HTML is based on... your supposed to use an HTML entity code to represent the apostrophy, which the browser will display properly... the thing is, MS doesn't try to make up for stupid HTML authors, they let the apostrophy display as a bad HTML item, where as other browsers make up for it.
As much as I hate to defend MS, the problem your talking about is a problem of the HTML, not the browser in this case.
Perhaps this is not a search engine problem at all? Sounds more like bad site design. A database is meant to store data that is changing or needs to be searched often. Anyone who designes a static site using a complete database backend with cgi,php3,whatthefsckever is acting alot like Microsoft. Adding fluff for absolutly NO reason, and only getting back more bugs and slower performance while increasing the required resources.
Pages with dynamic content, pulled from a database, should not be indexed in the first place, they are not static, they may change the INSTANT the search engine is done with the page, so how is the search engine supposed to return predicatable results?
Finally, if you can't figure out how to change your extensions so that index.html is interpreted as a php3 script, well thats your own problem, become a real admin and that won't effect you. If your not the admin, your ISP needs to get a clue and help you.
If you expect to use content searching, your suggesting that the page has some content metatags or the like... this is fine and dandy, except I doubt you'll agree with what everyone else considers a "content" type... for instance, you search for "Adult Art", possibly expecting back some ART(not porn), instead you get 2.6 million entries for www.hardporn.com... that just doesn't work. That and the fact that businesses will just put every day keyword they can think of in thier page, so you find it in searchs that are completely unreleated.
Perhaps I'm acting as an eleetist, but this IMO is what happens when you have 20,000 MCSEs that THINK they know how the internet works, go grab FrontPage and ColdFusion and write database based websites all day long, with completely static content. All because they are too lazy to index the site themselves. I'm GUILTY of this myself, my website is entirely database driven, most of the content in the database will NEVER change. If I put a little more time into it, it would be rather easy to write out old information to static html on a regular basis, allowing those pages to be RELIABLE searched by the global search engines.
I'm more of a programmer then gamer, I'll definatly be taking a look at the source as it comes out.
I'm not much of an Unreal fan, not much for 3d shooters anymore for that matter, iD has provided my eyes with more shades of brown then I ever care to see again. However, the chance for me to dig into some serious graphics code looks like fun. And the fact that I can write some code, then play the game and see a direct result of that code, perhaps not good results, but results none the less:) That will keep me interested, and I'm sure there are plenty of hardcore programmers out there who think the same way, and will be glad to get some source out there with thier name on it.
The funny part about this comment, its not even on topic... perhaps they should prevent posting by >stupid users, and leave posting for the ones who pay attention to topic, anonymous or not.
I have NEVER seen a complete copy of Windows 95, or 98 sold for $100. Those are UPGRADE copies, not complete OSes. Legally, installing them on a new machine, you break the licensing agreement before you even get the software installed.
Last I check, Solaris for Intel was free (or damn close to it) for development use, and $100 for non-commercial use. If you own a Sun workstation, Solaris is automatically licensed to you.
I >may be wrong, but I also believe that an unlimited user Solaris license is less then $1k, but windows9x sure as hell isn't a server. FreeBSD is what $40 for the CDs and book? There are umpteen bazillion linux distros ranging from a $1 for a CD to $100 for cd, manuals, and "support".
I ask however, when exactly did microsoft ever support anyone... the only experience I had with microsoft technical support resulted in. "I'm sorry, we do not support your video card" Well, no $hit, thats why I'm calling. Microsofts support consists of holding you on the phone long enough that your free support is used up and then they can charge you.
Unfortunatly the real problem here is... simply, what do you compare windows9x to? It is not a server, its a workstation, and most other OSes, although they can and do function as workstations, are designed to be servers. I can't think of many TRUE workstation ONLY OSes like win95 out there (Maybe MacOS). OS/2 was more akin to NT then 95, so thats not fair.
My personal opinion is that selling Win9x at $100 for a COMPLETE (non-upgrade) copy is far to much. I don't care WHAT you say about R&D, testing, implementation, there is absolutely NO WAY you will EVER make me believe that microsoft had to sell Win9x for more then $20 a copy and STILL make a killing. After the product is released, its nothing but profit from there on out. How many millions of copies were sold? At a dollar a peice, they should have paid microsofts bills for R&D, and salaries of these people for a while, let alone all the other products that came from with the Win9x series (Office9x, Development software, server licenses) The question I have is, wouldn't it be nice to see them get hit with... a fine of about %50 of thier net worth? The only down side to it, it wouldn't do anything more then just really piss them off I think.
What about the exploits currently in NT that have been there for more then a year? You can search the knowledge base and find reports of most fixes 6months to a year before they were fixed... don't act like microsoft actaully cares.
People like you cause the RIAA to sue. You blatently point out to them that little colleage assholes sit in thier dorms and swap mp3s around and don't ever buy them... You take what could end up as an advantage to us, and help to piss off the people who actaully provide the music. REAL SMART.
Just because you can get mp3s of commercial music for free DOESN'T mean its ok, or its good.
Your flatly stealing.
I sit on top of a collection of over 4000 mp3s. The funny thing is, I can find the CD to just about every one of those songs between my roomate, and my co-workers... Although I have mp3s of the songs, I own or know the owner of the rest, and if I like an album, I buy the CD. I don't have an MP3 player in my car (yet). My friends don't have mp3 players in thier living rooms.
People and comments like this disgust me. Karma would be helpful here by finding you a job working for a band of some sort that sues people who use mp3s.
On a different note, just so I don't seem like a total a**hole. I have nothing against napster, I love it. I can go find the music I want, when I want to hear it. If I like it, I can buy it, if I don't, well... then I didn't just pay $20 for one song. And I don't blame college students, being broke sucks. Trading mp3s is one thing, being proud to rip someone off is another.
WinNT and 2000 are STILL extensions to old OSes that were NOT gui based. In my opinion, they have just a GUI onto the OS much like win9x... the difference here is that NT has a different codebase from win9x... so it appears to be a different OS... it is different from win9x... but code that was used in VMS is STILL in windows 2000... Doesn't that place it in the same catagory as Win9x... a GUI built into and ontop of a NON-GUI based OS.
I find it difficult to believe Win2000 is nothing more then finally bringing NT code up to date... Its a hack on top of NT... a pathetic one at that, 40 million lines of code? For what? Menu shading and DirectX support... Win9x doesn't take 40 million lines of code... I guess theres alot of work to put shades on those menus... Must require alot of memory and processing power too... compared to NT4...
Actaully, I think its more along lines of Win98 is a DOS GUI application, Explorer is the shell. In the unix world, X is the GUI for the OS, and gnome in this case is nothing more then an eviroment... gnome is not a gui, it is not an os it isn't a window manager... its an enviroment that encompesses alot more then any of the singular parts. It brings the OS, GUI and WindowManager together for the end user to control, navigate and use.
Whilest everyone I think can agree that Gnome is most definatly not part of any operating system, or GUI, it is used within the GUI to provide usability to the end use... much like IE4/5 do in windows (Wheather you like it or not, IE4/5 integration DID help your average Joe NON-techie computer user). The difference between Gnome integration and IE4/5 integration is this... Gnome is optional, you choose to install and use it, and you choose what parts you want to use and what parts you don't want.
Too bad Microsoft seems to think we want to use ALL of thier crap.
This isn't a router, but its not a patch panel either... Since your doing layer2, it classifies as a Switch... not a router. Routers look at logical addressing via layer3, where as switchs, like this device look at the physical layer and switch out based on hardware addresses. And they say its all Optical... but I have a question... Since when did mirrors make OR and AND gates? If your going to route, you need to do some computations to figure out where to send the data... Layer2 all you need to do is look in a table and determine which port to send out on... much quicker when you ONLY care about directly attached devices and not devices not directly attached, which is required to do layer3 routing.
Reguardless of whether or not X, netscape or AccelX crash... they should not, in ANY WAY take down the whole machine... this is a flaw in the OS itself, NOT the application.
I've never seen X take down a solaris box, but I assume its happened, I have seen it take down a linux box, and its done it more then once on my FBSD boxes... however... The entire point of having kernel land and userland is so that if something in userland breaks... that part breaks... and its stops there...
X taking down the OS is no different then windows gpf's in kernel32.dll... both are results of bad code... (Not that I could do any better, I'd rather play with kernel drivers then the X source tree:)
My wheel mouse works flawlessly... and as for OpenGL... perhaps you should read the part that says you have to buy the OpenGL libraries...
Although, I think they should be included with AccelX... paying $100 for it was enough, add in the price of the OGL libs ($150 i think?) and its way over priced... I think Xig needs to realize charging $100 for AccelX alone is pretty bad when you can find copies of Win9x floating around for the same price... perhaps not legitimate... but the home user really doesn't CARE who supplies them with the CD... just that they get it.
how old are you? 3, 4? this kind of comment is sad, you must have alot of personal problems to be so lame as to take a normal conversation and just start insulting it... lemme guess... your first/. post?
Anyone who runs a GUI on a server should be shot. Thier SERVERS, you don't run gui's on servers... you run server processes... and you don't waste time shelling out CPU to make some pretty pictures. If you want pretty pictures, stick to NT.
I'm amazed I haven't seen it posted but... welcome to reality, its rather simple to change mac addresses on an ethernet card. Vendors learned along time ago they run out of those 48 bit addresses over time... you MAY have to cards with the same MAC on the same lan, and it can be changed. There are cards that allow it, and cards that don't... show me a 3com card that you can't change the mac address on... I don't think you can.
Well, they did have Bo and Luke swapped out for thier "cousins" at one point in time whilest bo and luke did something else, maybe injured or something...
I'm not sure about the rest of the palm/handheld PC world, it wouldn't take much of a shim on my Nino 510 to boot an alternate OS (since all you do is replace a few windows CE binaries in rom with files held in ram)
The main problem would be the fact that it would have to run on top of the normal FS CE uses (fat?). Maybe someone will come up with a nice virtual FS for them so we can run BSD on the road (or linux for the less evolved:)
I truely hope you didn't use your real social security number. If you did... maybe you should consider your own privacy... like the fact that your ss# can be used to change just about any account you hold, includeing bank, credit, phone, electric... and its easy to find someones real name if you have a social security number...M
Or perhaps you didn't think of that in your worry to remain anonymous
There is nothing wrong with parents watching thier kids at daycare... I would worry about my child being with strangers all day long. If you don't, you have problems of your own. Besides... theres nothing as satisifing as looking on the web during your lunch break and seeing your little boy or girl running around or playing... Reminds you of why your working 9 to 5 every day.
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SCO will NOT go open source as a whole, its has code licensed from a large group of other companies, include the original UNIX source. I seriously doubt SCO would be useful in any form without that code base.
What about BSDI/FreeBSD? Yes BSDI bought into the open source community when they bought walnut creek... one difference... there is ONE FreeBSD distribution, not 2000. Why wouldn't SCO and some off the wall company no one ever expects get together and through the SCO toolchain and userchain onto a linux kernel and make a real linux SYSV system?
Why are we making assumptions like linux is the end all of unix OSes on x86?
I swear, some of you guys are started to sound like you work for microshaft
Because most of the computer world still thinks Microsoft >IS the computer industry, and that fatter binaries are faster. 90% of the programmers in the world think they can write bad code and the compiler will optimize it making up for thier mistakes... but I've never seen a compiler yet that could make up for you re-reading the same database or file over and over and over
This isn't broken MS Software, this is broken html...... apostrophes are not valid in the charecter set HTML is based on... your supposed to use an HTML entity code to represent the apostrophy, which the browser will display properly... the thing is, MS doesn't try to make up for stupid HTML authors, they let the apostrophy display as a bad HTML item, where as other browsers make up for it.
As much as I hate to defend MS, the problem your talking about is a problem of the HTML, not the browser in this case.
Perhaps this is not a search engine problem at all? Sounds more like bad site design. A database is meant to store data that is changing or needs to be searched often. Anyone who designes a static site using a complete database backend with cgi,php3,whatthefsckever is acting alot like Microsoft. Adding fluff for absolutly NO reason, and only getting back more bugs and slower performance while increasing the required resources.
Pages with dynamic content, pulled from a database, should not be indexed in the first place, they are not static, they may change the INSTANT the search engine is done with the page, so how is the search engine supposed to return predicatable results?
Finally, if you can't figure out how to change your extensions so that index.html is interpreted as a php3 script, well thats your own problem, become a real admin and that won't effect you. If your not the admin, your ISP needs to get a clue and help you.
If you expect to use content searching, your suggesting that the page has some content metatags or the like... this is fine and dandy, except I doubt you'll agree with what everyone else considers a "content" type... for instance, you search for "Adult Art", possibly expecting back some ART(not porn), instead you get 2.6 million entries for www.hardporn.com... that just doesn't work. That and the fact that businesses will just put every day keyword they can think of in thier page, so you find it in searchs that are completely unreleated.
Perhaps I'm acting as an eleetist, but this IMO is what happens when you have 20,000 MCSEs that THINK they know how the internet works, go grab FrontPage and ColdFusion and write database based websites all day long, with completely static content. All because they are too lazy to index the site themselves. I'm GUILTY of this myself, my website is entirely database driven, most of the content in the database will NEVER change. If I put a little more time into it, it would be rather easy to write out old information to static html on a regular basis, allowing those pages to be RELIABLE searched by the global search engines.
Just my $0.02
I'm more of a programmer then gamer, I'll definatly be taking a look at the source as it comes out.
:) That will keep me interested, and I'm sure there are plenty of hardcore programmers out there who think the same way, and will be glad to get some source out there with thier name on it.
I'm not much of an Unreal fan, not much for 3d shooters anymore for that matter, iD has provided my eyes with more shades of brown then I ever care to see again. However, the chance for me to dig into some serious graphics code looks like fun. And the fact that I can write some code, then play the game and see a direct result of that code, perhaps not good results, but results none the less
Count me in.
The funny part about this comment, its not even on topic... perhaps they should prevent posting by >stupid users, and leave posting for the ones who pay attention to topic, anonymous or not.
I have NEVER seen a complete copy of Windows 95, or 98 sold for $100. Those are UPGRADE copies, not complete OSes. Legally, installing them on a new machine, you break the licensing agreement before you even get the software installed.
Last I check, Solaris for Intel was free (or damn close to it) for development use, and $100 for non-commercial use. If you own a Sun workstation, Solaris is automatically licensed to you.
I >may be wrong, but I also believe that an unlimited user Solaris license is less then $1k, but windows9x sure as hell isn't a server. FreeBSD is what $40 for the CDs and book? There are umpteen bazillion linux distros ranging from a $1 for a CD to $100 for cd, manuals, and "support".
I ask however, when exactly did microsoft ever support anyone... the only experience I had with microsoft technical support resulted in. "I'm sorry, we do not support your video card" Well, no $hit, thats why I'm calling. Microsofts support consists of holding you on the phone long enough that your free support is used up and then they can charge you.
Unfortunatly the real problem here is... simply, what do you compare windows9x to? It is not a server, its a workstation, and most other OSes, although they can and do function as workstations, are designed to be servers. I can't think of many TRUE workstation ONLY OSes like win95 out there (Maybe MacOS). OS/2 was more akin to NT then 95, so thats not fair.
My personal opinion is that selling Win9x at $100 for a COMPLETE (non-upgrade) copy is far to much. I don't care WHAT you say about R&D, testing, implementation, there is absolutely NO WAY you will EVER make me believe that microsoft had to sell Win9x for more then $20 a copy and STILL make a killing. After the product is released, its nothing but profit from there on out. How many millions of copies were sold? At a dollar a peice, they should have paid microsofts bills for R&D, and salaries of these people for a while, let alone all the other products that came from with the Win9x series (Office9x, Development software, server licenses) The question I have is, wouldn't it be nice to see them get hit with... a fine of about %50 of thier net worth? The only down side to it, it wouldn't do anything more then just really piss them off I think.
What about the exploits currently in NT that have been there for more then a year? You can search the knowledge base and find reports of most fixes 6months to a year before they were fixed... don't act like microsoft actaully cares.
Your an idiot.
People like you cause the RIAA to sue. You blatently point out to them that little colleage assholes sit in thier dorms and swap mp3s around and don't ever buy them... You take what could end up as an advantage to us, and help to piss off the people who actaully provide the music. REAL SMART.
Just because you can get mp3s of commercial music for free DOESN'T mean its ok, or its good.
Your flatly stealing.
I sit on top of a collection of over 4000 mp3s. The funny thing is, I can find the CD to just about every one of those songs between my roomate, and my co-workers... Although I have mp3s of the songs, I own or know the owner of the rest, and if I like an album, I buy the CD. I don't have an MP3 player in my car (yet). My friends don't have mp3 players in thier living rooms.
People and comments like this disgust me. Karma would be helpful here by finding you a job working for a band of some sort that sues people who use mp3s.
On a different note, just so I don't seem like a total a**hole. I have nothing against napster, I love it. I can go find the music I want, when I want to hear it. If I like it, I can buy it, if I don't, well... then I didn't just pay $20 for one song. And I don't blame college students, being broke sucks. Trading mp3s is one thing, being proud to rip someone off is another.
WinNT and 2000 are STILL extensions to old OSes that were NOT gui based. In my opinion, they have just a GUI onto the OS much like win9x... the difference here is that NT has a different codebase from win9x... so it appears to be a different OS... it is different from win9x... but code that was used in VMS is STILL in windows 2000... Doesn't that place it in the same catagory as Win9x... a GUI built into and ontop of a NON-GUI based OS.
I find it difficult to believe Win2000 is nothing more then finally bringing NT code up to date... Its a hack on top of NT... a pathetic one at that, 40 million lines of code? For what? Menu shading and DirectX support... Win9x doesn't take 40 million lines of code... I guess theres alot of work to put shades on those menus... Must require alot of memory and processing power too... compared to NT4...
Actaully, I think its more along lines of Win98 is a DOS GUI application, Explorer is the shell. In the unix world, X is the GUI for the OS, and gnome in this case is nothing more then an eviroment... gnome is not a gui, it is not an os it isn't a window manager... its an enviroment that encompesses alot more then any of the singular parts. It brings the OS, GUI and WindowManager together for the end user to control, navigate and use.
Whilest everyone I think can agree that Gnome is most definatly not part of any operating system, or GUI, it is used within the GUI to provide usability to the end use... much like IE4/5 do in windows (Wheather you like it or not, IE4/5 integration DID help your average Joe NON-techie computer user). The difference between Gnome integration and IE4/5 integration is this... Gnome is optional, you choose to install and use it, and you choose what parts you want to use and what parts you don't want.
Too bad Microsoft seems to think we want to use ALL of thier crap.
This isn't a router, but its not a patch panel either... Since your doing layer2, it classifies as a Switch... not a router. Routers look at logical addressing via layer3, where as switchs, like this device look at the physical layer and switch out based on hardware addresses. And they say its all Optical... but I have a question... Since when did mirrors make OR and AND gates? If your going to route, you need to do some computations to figure out where to send the data... Layer2 all you need to do is look in a table and determine which port to send out on... much quicker when you ONLY care about directly attached devices and not devices not directly attached, which is required to do layer3 routing.
Reguardless of whether or not X, netscape or AccelX crash... they should not, in ANY WAY take down the whole machine... this is a flaw in the OS itself, NOT the application.
:)
I've never seen X take down a solaris box, but I assume its happened, I have seen it take down a linux box, and its done it more then once on my FBSD boxes... however... The entire point of having kernel land and userland is so that if something in userland breaks... that part breaks... and its stops there...
X taking down the OS is no different then windows gpf's in kernel32.dll... both are results of bad code... (Not that I could do any better, I'd rather play with kernel drivers then the X source tree
My wheel mouse works flawlessly... and as for OpenGL... perhaps you should read the part that says you have to buy the OpenGL libraries...
Although, I think they should be included with AccelX... paying $100 for it was enough, add in the price of the OGL libs ($150 i think?) and its way over priced... I think Xig needs to realize charging $100 for AccelX alone is pretty bad when you can find copies of Win9x floating around for the same price... perhaps not legitimate... but the home user really doesn't CARE who supplies them with the CD... just that they get it.
how old are you? 3, 4? this kind of comment is sad, you must have alot of personal problems to be so lame as to take a normal conversation and just start insulting it... lemme guess... your first /. post?
Anyone who runs a GUI on a server should be shot. Thier SERVERS, you don't run gui's on servers... you run server processes... and you don't waste time shelling out CPU to make some pretty pictures. If you want pretty pictures, stick to NT.
I'm amazed I haven't seen it posted but... welcome to reality, its rather simple to change mac addresses on an ethernet card. Vendors learned along time ago they run out of those 48 bit addresses over time... you MAY have to cards with the same MAC on the same lan, and it can be changed. There are cards that allow it, and cards that don't... show me a 3com card that you can't change the mac address on... I don't think you can.
Well, they did have Bo and Luke swapped out for thier "cousins" at one point in time whilest bo and luke did something else, maybe injured or something...
When exactly was the last time you sent a spacecraft to mars?
I wonder when Nintendo will be sued for promoting drug abuse by eating 'shrooms
I'm not sure about the rest of the palm/handheld PC world, it wouldn't take much of a shim on my Nino 510 to boot an alternate OS (since all you do is replace a few windows CE binaries in rom with files held in ram)
:)
The main problem would be the fact that it would have to run on top of the normal FS CE uses (fat?). Maybe someone will come up with a nice virtual FS for them so we can run BSD on the road (or linux for the less evolved
I truely hope you didn't use your real social security number. If you did... maybe you should consider your own privacy... like the fact that your ss# can be used to change just about any account you hold, includeing bank, credit, phone, electric... and its easy to find someones real name if you have a social security number...M
Or perhaps you didn't think of that in your worry to remain anonymous
There is nothing wrong with parents watching thier kids at daycare... I would worry about my child being with strangers all day long. If you don't, you have problems of your own. Besides... theres nothing as satisifing as looking on the web during your lunch break and seeing your little boy or girl running around or playing... Reminds you of why your working 9 to 5 every day.