That is precisely the point, you can't, so just think about that when you design the network. All portable devices should stay in an untrusted VLAN, company-issued or not. Each employee with a security clearance should have an inbox with an ACL that would only show sensitive message bodies to computers connected to the trusted VLAN, so they'd still be able to receive mail on their iPhones, but the sensitive message bodies would be replaced with a message informing them that the message can only be read at their desktop. Finally, secure messages should not be possible to forward to untrusted recipients.
If I was a network engineer, this is the kind of stuff that I would implement. Probably not all in one go, but I'm a software engineer after all, I can write network services very easily, and to me such an IMAP solution would be feasible to implement from the scratch within a week.
Parent = computer janitor. Last I checked computer janitor != the person paying software developers for their work.
Actually, I'm a software consultant / engineer who has to work at clients a lot.
software developer > IT. If IT gets in the way of a software developer doing his job, the software developer should have his manager sucker punch IT guy's manager in the next sufficiently public meeting.
This happens a lot more than you may think, especially in banking / insurance / military / air transportation (at least that I've worked with). You are often issued heavily locked down systems to work with minimum to no online access, and if you want any kind of online access, even for reference documentation, you have to bring your own tools.
As a software engineer, whenever I have to work with IT people like you, I happily leave the company's laptop unused and locked in a drawer beneath my desk and use my MacBook Pro instead. All the information needed to access corporate services is in my possession anyway, so you're none the wiser. If you block Internet access at work, I will happily tether to my iPhone or bring my iPad.
To put it simple: in this day and age you can't afford to think you have that kind of control. If there's sensitive information, the only way to be on the safe side is to ensure that it never leaves the company, which is something that you can still do.
Unless they act like viruses or the person using the laptop is running MS-DOS, there should be absolutely no reason for concern, because no modern operating system uses the BIOS to read input from a keyboard....
I'm not, you're the one who brought up the subject. Re-read the thread and realize that I've never actually refered directly or indirectly to your inbox.
When I told you I don't get spam I meant that, and that doesn't involve lifting a finger on my part, and I've not missed out on a single message I was supposed to get, *ever*.
I don't recall saying you didn't mean it, quite the opposite, and here I am repeating myself again: claiming that you didn't mean it would have been irrational of me, I've had such a setup in the past, but it was extremely impractical compared to Google Apps, it's not even worth mentioning, and don't even get me started about the compatibility with Exchange, Active Directory syncing, true Push E-mail on the iPhone, etc. All without ever ever thinking about a single security patch.
So whatever they're doing, they're doing it more or less perfectly as far as I am concerned, and Google has nothing to offer to me in that regard.
The particular does not necessarily have all the properties as the general. You started off making general claims regarding Microsft, Google, and Apple not having done anything people may miss in a decade, and I showed you such things. Perhaps YOU won't miss the, but that doesn't invalidate my refutation of your general claim. I'm not selling you a product, I'm countering your argument that Google doesn't have useful irreplaceable services.
You're basically telling me I am getting spam -- and I don't. And I've never been shy about my email or bothered to obfuscate it etc. So bollocks to that.
I am? Strange, I have no recollection of saying or implying such a thing, and that wouldn't be rational either. You could block anything not plain-text with a URL in it and then you'd probably not get any spam at all, though the number of false positives would skyrocket, something that I don't fear when it comes to Google's filters.
Because Google does NOT offer "that service" (your own email, not read by bots other than a one-time spamcheck, and when you delete it it's *actually* gone) for free. I would want to have my own webspace either way, and if it comes with more email than I could possibly need, why would I use Google of all things? If people can't even be arsed to pay for something like email, while (likely) paying 10 times as much for telephone... well, I don't get it. To each their own.
This is so ridiculous that I can't help but laugh. I don't know about you, but usually I don't discuss my bombing plans via E-mail... My personal E-mail is to take care of mundane things such as job applications and confirm website account creations. I really do not see any use for an E-mail address these days that could make me interesting to any kind of government agency or even be taken out of context and used against me in any way, so honestly I can not understand your concerns unless you are truly doing something fishy over E-mail, the notion of which would be laughable at the very least. If your only reason to do that is to stick it to the man, I strongly advise you against that. The less boring you sound to a government agency, the more likely they are to care about your life.
As to email, get a decent webhost is all I can say.
You can simply not compete with Google when it comes to anti-spam solutions, they offer the best filter, which is fed by millions of users worldwide, and regarding a "decent webhost", why would I pay for a service that Google offers for free? I actually do have a very old slice at SliceHost, but there's simply no E-mail setup that either I or any host provider could offer better than Google Apps for personal use, paid or otherwise (Google Apps is free).
Regarding Apple and Microsoft, I don't know about you, but I remember MS-DOS fondly, and I'm sure I will remember this decade's Apple fondly as well, because right now I'm absolutely loving their ecosystem and have never been so happy as a customer of any other company. My current iPhone will be kept for posterity as the first Apple device to implement Siri, preordered the day preorders became available, received a few days after launch (usually I sell my previous-generation Apple hardware to the never-ending queue of people lining up to buy it used from me at half the price).
Google Apps is not easy to replace. The E-mail service, at least, is not. Who else other than Google is willing to provide you with a full-featured E-mail services for your own domain with the best spam filter in the world complete with Exchange integration, gigabytes of storage space for your mailbox, and wildcard aliases?
As an iOS user, I am also naturally thankful for Google Maps.
You can distribute them freely, just not through the app store, and anyone wanting to run them will need a developer license (but then again they'll also need an iDevice, so you could consider the license part of the price).
No, you can't publish it in any way without going via Apple policies and App Store.
Please tell me exactly what in the agreement prevents me from publishing the Xcode project with the sources, because I actually read it carefully and found nothing about this publication method there (or any restrictions to publishing anything this way, for that matter).
How did you become "a licensed iOS developer" without "Apple's approval"?
Accepted an agreement with lots of restrictions regarding distribution through the app store as well as non-disclosure clauses covering the beta software that I get access to, but nothing preventing me from running anything on my own iDevices.
And, AFAIK, Apple can still blacklist your dev key and purge your app(s) from the phone.
Sure, if I try to deceive them during the App Store reviewing phase, which is covered by the agreement that I had to accept. This doesn't prevent me from distributing anything through any other means, though.
Also, can you put your apps up on a webpage for other people to download? (hint: no, anyone wishing to use them would need a jailbroken phone)
Yes, of course! The easiest (but not the only) way to do this would be to provide the complete Xcode project with sources and have people build and sign the app themselves (usually simply pressing Command+. is enough to compile, sign, install, and run, much easier than./configure && make install, and everyone is OK with the latter). No jailbreaking involved, the only thing required is the ability to digitally sign apps, meaning a developer license.
We're talking about the concept of walled-gardens here, which none none of that is a part of, so stop moving the goal posts and accept defeat.
Also, another correction to your blatant misconception: I can distribute whatever I wish to any other licensed developer, who will then be able to sign the code and run it themselves without any limitations.
You are allowed to compete with Apple's own apps on functionality. What you're not allowed to do is to copy the UI of one of Apple's Apps. That's the reason Evi have been asked to change. Because the UI is too much of a Siri copy.
The app in question is in the Mac App Store, so the developer has explicitly accepted the same agreement as I have stating that Apple is free to do these things.
Obfuscating an interface under big, shiny buttons is not "ease of use".
Nor is that the only thing they do. For instance, Apples is in a league of their own when it comes to accessibility options on both iOS and OS X.
Not to mention no batterly life on the iPhone 4s and a charging cable so short you have to put your $500+ phone on the floor wherever you charge it.
You can plug it to any USB port, doesn't necessarily have to be a wall socket. You can also buy an iPad charger which comes with a modular power cord similar to those found on the MacBook chargers. Finally and regarding the iPhone 4S' battery life, I honestly can't tell the difference between that and any other high end smartphone. What exactly are you comparing it with?
As a licensed iOS developer I am the proof that you are wrong. I don't have to seek Apple's (or anyone's) approval to run anything signed by me on my iDevices.
Just another reason to avoid the proprietary lock-in hell that is Apple's walled garden. Sure their products are shiny and smooth but you trade all your rights to the device you just forked out enough to buy a car on for that ease of use.
What proprietary lock-in hell? How do they lock you in? At most you could claim that they lock you out, but considering the fact that they tend to use standard protocols and formats for everything (with the dock connector being a historically-justified exception, because there was nothing "standard" when it was created), I fail to see exactly what locks you in to Apple products other than your willingness to stick to the only fully integrated ecosystem that works seamlessly.
Apple is providing everyone a service by showing the what the consequences are of having a tightly controlled platform.
Great products that almost everyone wants to have? Half a trillion market cap constantly raising in a recessive economy? Considering the alternatives, I'm perfectly fine with their implementation of a tightly controlled platform, especially considering that for just $100 a year it stops being tightly controlled for me.
Siri supports US English (speaks in the default female voice everyone as heard), UK English (low pitched male voice), AU English (different female voice, better than the US voice, in my opinion), French (effeminate-sounding male voice, as you would expect from any French guy), and German (the best sounding female voice in my opinion). The localization issues are most likely related to geolocation services not offered outside of the US, such the integration with Maps and search for local services. As I understand it, in some cases it won't even tell you the current time or weather because the city you are in or closest to is not in the database, even if consulting the time would be just as simple as obtaining the device's time.
I would suppose the localization there has to do with geolocation services that currently are only offered in the US. You can't ask Siri for a cab in the UK, for example.
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That's assuming you'd know. As I said above, you'd be none the wiser.
As an IT professional you are supposed to work WITH me, not AGAINST me. Until you understand that, deceit is all you deserve.
That is precisely the point, you can't, so just think about that when you design the network. All portable devices should stay in an untrusted VLAN, company-issued or not. Each employee with a security clearance should have an inbox with an ACL that would only show sensitive message bodies to computers connected to the trusted VLAN, so they'd still be able to receive mail on their iPhones, but the sensitive message bodies would be replaced with a message informing them that the message can only be read at their desktop. Finally, secure messages should not be possible to forward to untrusted recipients.
If I was a network engineer, this is the kind of stuff that I would implement. Probably not all in one go, but I'm a software engineer after all, I can write network services very easily, and to me such an IMAP solution would be feasible to implement from the scratch within a week.
Actually, I'm a software consultant / engineer who has to work at clients a lot.
This happens a lot more than you may think, especially in banking / insurance / military / air transportation (at least that I've worked with). You are often issued heavily locked down systems to work with minimum to no online access, and if you want any kind of online access, even for reference documentation, you have to bring your own tools.
As a software engineer, whenever I have to work with IT people like you, I happily leave the company's laptop unused and locked in a drawer beneath my desk and use my MacBook Pro instead. All the information needed to access corporate services is in my possession anyway, so you're none the wiser. If you block Internet access at work, I will happily tether to my iPhone or bring my iPad.
To put it simple: in this day and age you can't afford to think you have that kind of control. If there's sensitive information, the only way to be on the safe side is to ensure that it never leaves the company, which is something that you can still do.
Unless they act like viruses or the person using the laptop is running MS-DOS, there should be absolutely no reason for concern, because no modern operating system uses the BIOS to read input from a keyboard....
For as long as OS X remains a Unix system intended for development and content production. This question makes absolutely no sense.
I'm not, you're the one who brought up the subject. Re-read the thread and realize that I've never actually refered directly or indirectly to your inbox.
I don't recall saying you didn't mean it, quite the opposite, and here I am repeating myself again: claiming that you didn't mean it would have been irrational of me, I've had such a setup in the past, but it was extremely impractical compared to Google Apps, it's not even worth mentioning, and don't even get me started about the compatibility with Exchange, Active Directory syncing, true Push E-mail on the iPhone, etc. All without ever ever thinking about a single security patch.
The particular does not necessarily have all the properties as the general. You started off making general claims regarding Microsft, Google, and Apple not having done anything people may miss in a decade, and I showed you such things. Perhaps YOU won't miss the, but that doesn't invalidate my refutation of your general claim. I'm not selling you a product, I'm countering your argument that Google doesn't have useful irreplaceable services.
I am? Strange, I have no recollection of saying or implying such a thing, and that wouldn't be rational either. You could block anything not plain-text with a URL in it and then you'd probably not get any spam at all, though the number of false positives would skyrocket, something that I don't fear when it comes to Google's filters.
This is so ridiculous that I can't help but laugh. I don't know about you, but usually I don't discuss my bombing plans via E-mail... My personal E-mail is to take care of mundane things such as job applications and confirm website account creations. I really do not see any use for an E-mail address these days that could make me interesting to any kind of government agency or even be taken out of context and used against me in any way, so honestly I can not understand your concerns unless you are truly doing something fishy over E-mail, the notion of which would be laughable at the very least. If your only reason to do that is to stick it to the man, I strongly advise you against that. The less boring you sound to a government agency, the more likely they are to care about your life.
That's their problem, not mine... I am still able to distribute the app...
You can simply not compete with Google when it comes to anti-spam solutions, they offer the best filter, which is fed by millions of users worldwide, and regarding a "decent webhost", why would I pay for a service that Google offers for free? I actually do have a very old slice at SliceHost, but there's simply no E-mail setup that either I or any host provider could offer better than Google Apps for personal use, paid or otherwise (Google Apps is free).
Regarding Apple and Microsoft, I don't know about you, but I remember MS-DOS fondly, and I'm sure I will remember this decade's Apple fondly as well, because right now I'm absolutely loving their ecosystem and have never been so happy as a customer of any other company. My current iPhone will be kept for posterity as the first Apple device to implement Siri, preordered the day preorders became available, received a few days after launch (usually I sell my previous-generation Apple hardware to the never-ending queue of people lining up to buy it used from me at half the price).
Google Apps is not easy to replace. The E-mail service, at least, is not. Who else other than Google is willing to provide you with a full-featured E-mail services for your own domain with the best spam filter in the world complete with Exchange integration, gigabytes of storage space for your mailbox, and wildcard aliases?
As an iOS user, I am also naturally thankful for Google Maps.
You can distribute them freely, just not through the app store, and anyone wanting to run them will need a developer license (but then again they'll also need an iDevice, so you could consider the license part of the price).
Incompatible technologies.
I do recall mentioning the dock connector as a historically-justified exception...
Please tell me exactly what in the agreement prevents me from publishing the Xcode project with the sources, because I actually read it carefully and found nothing about this publication method there (or any restrictions to publishing anything this way, for that matter).
Accepted an agreement with lots of restrictions regarding distribution through the app store as well as non-disclosure clauses covering the beta software that I get access to, but nothing preventing me from running anything on my own iDevices.
Sure, if I try to deceive them during the App Store reviewing phase, which is covered by the agreement that I had to accept. This doesn't prevent me from distributing anything through any other means, though.
Yes, of course! The easiest (but not the only) way to do this would be to provide the complete Xcode project with sources and have people build and sign the app themselves (usually simply pressing Command+. is enough to compile, sign, install, and run, much easier than ./configure && make install, and everyone is OK with the latter). No jailbreaking involved, the only thing required is the ability to digitally sign apps, meaning a developer license.
We're talking about the concept of walled-gardens here, which none none of that is a part of, so stop moving the goal posts and accept defeat.
Also, another correction to your blatant misconception: I can distribute whatever I wish to any other licensed developer, who will then be able to sign the code and run it themselves without any limitations.
You are allowed to compete with Apple's own apps on functionality. What you're not allowed to do is to copy the UI of one of Apple's Apps. That's the reason Evi have been asked to change. Because the UI is too much of a Siri copy.
Yes because only Apple is allowed to shamelessly copy other's work
The app in question is in the Mac App Store, so the developer has explicitly accepted the same agreement as I have stating that Apple is free to do these things.
Nor is that the only thing they do. For instance, Apples is in a league of their own when it comes to accessibility options on both iOS and OS X.
You can plug it to any USB port, doesn't necessarily have to be a wall socket. You can also buy an iPad charger which comes with a modular power cord similar to those found on the MacBook chargers. Finally and regarding the iPhone 4S' battery life, I honestly can't tell the difference between that and any other high end smartphone. What exactly are you comparing it with?
As a licensed iOS developer I am the proof that you are wrong. I don't have to seek Apple's (or anyone's) approval to run anything signed by me on my iDevices.
What proprietary lock-in hell? How do they lock you in? At most you could claim that they lock you out, but considering the fact that they tend to use standard protocols and formats for everything (with the dock connector being a historically-justified exception, because there was nothing "standard" when it was created), I fail to see exactly what locks you in to Apple products other than your willingness to stick to the only fully integrated ecosystem that works seamlessly.
Also, what kind of rights are you talking about?
Great products that almost everyone wants to have? Half a trillion market cap constantly raising in a recessive economy? Considering the alternatives, I'm perfectly fine with their implementation of a tightly controlled platform, especially considering that for just $100 a year it stops being tightly controlled for me.
Only in British English, which I despise.
Siri supports US English (speaks in the default female voice everyone as heard), UK English (low pitched male voice), AU English (different female voice, better than the US voice, in my opinion), French (effeminate-sounding male voice, as you would expect from any French guy), and German (the best sounding female voice in my opinion). The localization issues are most likely related to geolocation services not offered outside of the US, such the integration with Maps and search for local services. As I understand it, in some cases it won't even tell you the current time or weather because the city you are in or closest to is not in the database, even if consulting the time would be just as simple as obtaining the device's time.
I would suppose the localization there has to do with geolocation services that currently are only offered in the US. You can't ask Siri for a cab in the UK, for example.
Fortunately, they only care about the high-end, so market dominance is unlikely to ever happen.