Art is quite simply creation. Nothing more It is creating something beautiful or thought provoking or inspiring or useful or whatever (in the case of some modern art) using the tools of your choice. Under that definition programming is most definitely art.
Dude that's funny. Not substantive... but funny. Too bad you posted anonymously you could have gained some serious Karma boosts from the mod points I'm sure.
ID does not make any testable predictions (how do you test for a supreme being?) and as a result cannot be considered a theory. In fact, those who support ID go out of their way to show the flaws of Darwins theory but never show why ID is better.
Wrong we do in fact show why ID is better maybe you just haven't read the appropriate literature/journal articles. We do make predictions and test them. Granted there is a section of the ID believing population that give it a bad name, by spouting feel good religious reasons to Reject Evolution and Believe ID, but they doesn't mean all of them do so.
In the case of horses the fossil evidence (see, there's that proof I'm talking about) shows that horses were not always horses.
Actually it does no such thing. It does show that creatures similar to horses lived in the past but it shows in no way that horses descended from them. Get back to me when you have fossils from every stage of the "evolution" of the horse. I certainly didn't descend from the spider monkey despite similarities in morphology and genetic makeup. So those aren't enough reason to assume the ancestral relationship. Neither is a time relationship enough proof to indicate an ancestral relationship. Even with the two together that is not even close to being conclusive.
What you need is a way to prove that the horse had to have descended from said small horselike creature. Perhaps if you could find a chain of forms strung together each no further than say... oh.... (500,000 years or so) you could demonstrate an ancestral relationship. Call me when you have, that I'd be interested in seeing it.
You know I read slashdot all the time and I still can't get over people calling me a crackpot. The Day someone can prove to me using pure logic that creationism is impossible is the day I'll admit it's a crackpot theory. No one yet has met the challenge. I don't go around calling evolutionists crackpots. It's a perfectly logical conclusion if there is no God. Just as my belief is perfectly logical if there is a God. So please stop talking about how Intelligent Design/Creationism is a crackpot theory when you can't prove it wrong. It's nowhere near in the same class as astrology which has been demonstrated to be wrong in numerous cases.
And I gladly paid the price of admission to see the movies on opening night, I also paid the cost to both DVD editions for the first one and at least one edition of the next two. Lord of The Rings was a masterpeice where all the "flashy" stuff fit and wasn't put in just for the heck of it. Also Tolkiens "script" was pretty much stuck to with minimal rewriting so the plot and dialogue was superb. The actors and supporting cast even the many people working on the details also treated it as much as a labor of love as anything else.
Such films will be few and far between though. By and large most movies belong in the (we paid to much to make this thing) category. The price tag isn't worth the result. I still think studios need to start looking for ways to up quality and lower the high costing "flash".
uhhh.... wow, Way to generalize there fella. I never said I thought piracy was ok. I was just commenting on what drives the cost of making movies so high. Yes camera men, makeup artists, actors, directors, set designers, animators, and all the other things that go into making a movie cost. I'm just saying some of that cost could be cut down if some people focused a little more on making a quality product and a little less on flash.
There is hope. The fact is that the genie is out of the bottle. No amount of court rulings can stop it now. Sure you can stop a company like grokster or napster, but how do you stop an open source protocol with multiple OSS projects using it for multiple purposes each of which can fork anytime anywhere. It's impossible. You'd have to get rid of the internet. And that really would get the publics attention. It may take fifty years but eventually a lot of people will be "tech" savvy. These issues will be like the social security issue today. Maybe you don't want to wait fifty years but in the meantime you can support some of those OSS projects with your time, talent, and money.
The cost of creation doesn't have to be approaching infinity. Only because they insist on a model of business that focuses on flash and hotbutton formula's (eg brad pitt, angelina jolie heat up on screen) big names, high software costs, and feeding everyone's ego is what drives the cost up. The same thing happens in sports too. The industry cost of doing business skyrockets as the top players insist on having their ego boosted.
Personally I'm looking forward to a day when indie films are readily available and the big studios have been put in their place.
I like a good blockbuster film as much as the next guy but I also like a little substance and it's becoming preciously difficult to find. And some of the tools to make those wow effects are coming available in the open source arena soon. Maybe the studios should be looking at ways to cut costs to save their industry?
Exactly right. It's a whole new world out there. Microsoft can't afford to be the only word in computing anymore. They can't control the whole desktop and internet it's impossible. If they keep trying to they are going to find themselves in a whole world of hope. They may have the financial resorces to try right now but they will in the end fail and make a whole lot of shareholders really unhappy.
What Microsoft really needs right now is to spin off some of these products into seperate companies and pick something to focus on. Diversification is good to an extent but they are stretched way too thin right now. I give em 5 maybe 10 years of throwing money away on this stuff and before Wall Street starts demanding action. (yeah I pulled those numbers out of nowhere)
Exactly,
Doubleclick gets blocked because they are so intrusive and annoying. Google is experiencing growth in the ad revenue stream precisely because they found the right niche market. even the slashdot ads aren't as intrusive as some sites. They stay at the top in that banner and there are some text ads on the side. They don't distract from the websites purpose so they fit. Many website advertisements do the exact opposite of this. They make the website unuseable. Thus spawning the market for adblocking software. This may mean the end of Doublclick style ads but it's not the end of internet advertising.
You misunderstand me. I don't object to treaties being binding. I object to my own nations government's growing tendency to sign on to treaties that overstep our own nations sovriegnty. This has nothing to do with outside parties it's just me expressing dissatisfaction with our judical, and legislative branches.
No treaty no matter what it says can supersede the constitution. And contrary to popular belief outside of the US of A, there is a growing movement in our justice system to use international law as precendent for domestic courts.
No treaty has the ability under our constitution to dictate domestic law. Find me the section that says that and I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong. Treaties may be able to dictate our relations with other nations but they have no business or function in domestic affairs. That is what I object to.
We may be a member of the UN but that in no way allows the UN to dictate legal precedent to us. US law is based on the constitution of the united states and nothing else. If you want to change that then you go through the legislature and work to have the constitution thrown out and or rewritten to give up our sovereignty.
to a higher body. Until then no document or external entity can supersede the Constitution until they win the right either through war or a legislative action to do so.
Great examples on all those companies failing to live up to their motto's. Now where was your google example? hrmmm don't seem to see it...
one moment......
nope you didn't list it. Ok I guess you have no proof that google isn't living up to it's motto. Until such time that they are demonstrated to have gone against their motto I will trust them. Trust that has been earned. I didn't hop on the google bandwagon at first. They earned my trust. Now all they have to do is keep it.
You can not be serious. In recent past several of their journalists have admitted to making up stories and plagiarism. The NYT sucks as a news source. NO wonder they are having revenue problems.
Eh... you have been talking to the wrong creationists then. I for one don't believe the fossils have to be as old as you say they do for numerouse reasons. As for evolution as a tool I have just one question? Why? Why use it as tool when you can just create it all at once. You only need evolution as a tool if you believe the evidence points to evolution occuring. The point of the case in question is that some people don't think it does. Beat em on that and forget the whole side issue of evolution as a tool. It just distracts the issue.
Except that tick box is only available is few places. If it was available everywhere that would be better. Or if you really want to make it useful you just automatically launch the runas dialog for tasks that require admin access. Just like my Debian Sarge box at home does. Not only does it let me do admin duties from my user account it also keeps me informed when I launch something that wants admin access. Information is power in this context.
Bear in mind, that middle-click thing only works on the Linux Firefox, not the Windows version. In fact, the Windows version of Firefox lacks a lot of features, it's like an afterthought. Perhaps if they want more people to convert they should make sure they get a good experience when they try it out on Windows.
Uhmmm. Wrong. I use FireFox on windows at work exclusively and it most definitely does have the middle click. I don't even remember having to change any settings to enable it. In fact I find no difference in interface between windows at work and Debian at home. Both work exactly the same way with no trouble. MPLayer's plugin even works to play WMV and ASF files with no trouble or tweaking. I may be unique or something but I do know that firefox on windows offers all the same functionality of firefox on linux.
Exactly My point although perhaps better said than I did. No I wouldn't turn down a fantasy wage. But I'm not going to waste my time insisting on one when the market won't support it either. I'm like you. I offer an in depth knowledge of my customers needs and immediate onsite support. I don't make $100,000 dollars a year either. The economy in my area won't support it. I'm happy, I make enough money, and I compete with india. If you can't do that then you need to find a new career or move somewhere where your cost of living doesn't outstrip your chosen careers ability to support you financially. Simple economics.
Sorry but I have to call your bluff on this one. I compete with them and I don't starve. I also don't drive the latest and greatest vehicle. I don't eat out at the latest hip restaurant and don't live in a house I can't afford. Learn to live with it. You got used to an unrealistic wage. Now your feeling the aftereffects. Anyone who says they can't compete is really saying they don't want to make the sacrifice necessary to do so.
It is only outsourcing because we refuse to bend on our wages and benefits. I work for a company that provides network management and development services. We compete because we understand our market and set prices and services appropriately. You want to keep your job? Then compete with the guy from india. He's competing with you.
Perhaps those wage cuts are happening because they were way overvalued to begin with. I work in IT and I don't mind making a "real" wage vs. a "fantasy" wage. I like the work and I don't intend to live beyond my means. I know a little about economics, and IT wages were as overvalued as.com stocks for a long time there. The reason jobs are moving overseas? Companies can no longer justify the price American IT workers are demanding. Maybe we should lower our wage expectations if we want to compete in a realistic marketplace.
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Art is quite simply creation. Nothing more It is creating something beautiful or thought provoking or inspiring or useful or whatever (in the case of some modern art) using the tools of your choice. Under that definition programming is most definitely art.
Dude that's funny. Not substantive... but funny. Too bad you posted anonymously you could have gained some serious Karma boosts from the mod points I'm sure.
What you need is a way to prove that the horse had to have descended from said small horselike creature. Perhaps if you could find a chain of forms strung together each no further than say... oh.... (500,000 years or so) you could demonstrate an ancestral relationship. Call me when you have, that I'd be interested in seeing it.
You know I read slashdot all the time and I still can't get over people calling me a crackpot. The Day someone can prove to me using pure logic that creationism is impossible is the day I'll admit it's a crackpot theory. No one yet has met the challenge. I don't go around calling evolutionists crackpots. It's a perfectly logical conclusion if there is no God. Just as my belief is perfectly logical if there is a God. So please stop talking about how Intelligent Design/Creationism is a crackpot theory when you can't prove it wrong. It's nowhere near in the same class as astrology which has been demonstrated to be wrong in numerous cases.
And I gladly paid the price of admission to see the movies on opening night, I also paid the cost to both DVD editions for the first one and at least one edition of the next two. Lord of The Rings was a masterpeice where all the "flashy" stuff fit and wasn't put in just for the heck of it. Also Tolkiens "script" was pretty much stuck to with minimal rewriting so the plot and dialogue was superb. The actors and supporting cast even the many people working on the details also treated it as much as a labor of love as anything else.
Such films will be few and far between though. By and large most movies belong in the (we paid to much to make this thing) category. The price tag isn't worth the result. I still think studios need to start looking for ways to up quality and lower the high costing "flash".
uhhh.... wow, Way to generalize there fella. I never said I thought piracy was ok. I was just commenting on what drives the cost of making movies so high. Yes camera men, makeup artists, actors, directors, set designers, animators, and all the other things that go into making a movie cost. I'm just saying some of that cost could be cut down if some people focused a little more on making a quality product and a little less on flash.
Gahhh I really should use that preview button. Sorry about the bold text there.
There is hope. The fact is that the genie is out of the bottle. No amount of court rulings can stop it now. Sure you can stop a company like grokster or napster, but how do you stop an open source protocol with multiple OSS projects using it for multiple purposes each of which can fork anytime anywhere. It's impossible. You'd have to get rid of the internet. And that really would get the publics attention. It may take fifty years but eventually a lot of people will be "tech" savvy. These issues will be like the social security issue today. Maybe you don't want to wait fifty years but in the meantime you can support some of those OSS projects with your time, talent, and money.
The cost of creation doesn't have to be approaching infinity. Only because they insist on a model of business that focuses on flash and hotbutton formula's (eg brad pitt, angelina jolie heat up on screen) big names, high software costs, and feeding everyone's ego is what drives the cost up. The same thing happens in sports too. The industry cost of doing business skyrockets as the top players insist on having their ego boosted. Personally I'm looking forward to a day when indie films are readily available and the big studios have been put in their place. I like a good blockbuster film as much as the next guy but I also like a little substance and it's becoming preciously difficult to find. And some of the tools to make those wow effects are coming available in the open source arena soon. Maybe the studios should be looking at ways to cut costs to save their industry?
Exactly right. It's a whole new world out there. Microsoft can't afford to be the only word in computing anymore. They can't control the whole desktop and internet it's impossible. If they keep trying to they are going to find themselves in a whole world of hope. They may have the financial resorces to try right now but they will in the end fail and make a whole lot of shareholders really unhappy.
What Microsoft really needs right now is to spin off some of these products into seperate companies and pick something to focus on. Diversification is good to an extent but they are stretched way too thin right now. I give em 5 maybe 10 years of throwing money away on this stuff and before Wall Street starts demanding action. (yeah I pulled those numbers out of nowhere)
Exactly, Doubleclick gets blocked because they are so intrusive and annoying. Google is experiencing growth in the ad revenue stream precisely because they found the right niche market. even the slashdot ads aren't as intrusive as some sites. They stay at the top in that banner and there are some text ads on the side. They don't distract from the websites purpose so they fit. Many website advertisements do the exact opposite of this. They make the website unuseable. Thus spawning the market for adblocking software. This may mean the end of Doublclick style ads but it's not the end of internet advertising.
You misunderstand me. I don't object to treaties being binding. I object to my own nations government's growing tendency to sign on to treaties that overstep our own nations sovriegnty. This has nothing to do with outside parties it's just me expressing dissatisfaction with our judical, and legislative branches.
No treaty no matter what it says can supersede the constitution. And contrary to popular belief outside of the US of A, there is a growing movement in our justice system to use international law as precendent for domestic courts.
No treaty has the ability under our constitution to dictate domestic law. Find me the section that says that and I'll be happy to admit I'm wrong. Treaties may be able to dictate our relations with other nations but they have no business or function in domestic affairs. That is what I object to.
We may be a member of the UN but that in no way allows the UN to dictate legal precedent to us. US law is based on the constitution of the united states and nothing else. If you want to change that then you go through the legislature and work to have the constitution thrown out and or rewritten to give up our sovereignty. to a higher body. Until then no document or external entity can supersede the Constitution until they win the right either through war or a legislative action to do so.
I guess I'm okay then cause I'm a power user of "OO.o spreadsheets"
Great examples on all those companies failing to live up to their motto's. Now where was your google example? hrmmm don't seem to see it...
one moment......
nope you didn't list it. Ok I guess you have no proof that google isn't living up to it's motto. Until such time that they are demonstrated to have gone against their motto I will trust them. Trust that has been earned. I didn't hop on the google bandwagon at first. They earned my trust. Now all they have to do is keep it.
You can not be serious. In recent past several of their journalists have admitted to making up stories and plagiarism. The NYT sucks as a news source. NO wonder they are having revenue problems.
Intelligent design can indeed be tested. And has been tested. Just like Evolutions has been tested. Neither one has arrived at conclusive proof.
Eh... you have been talking to the wrong creationists then. I for one don't believe the fossils have to be as old as you say they do for numerouse reasons. As for evolution as a tool I have just one question? Why? Why use it as tool when you can just create it all at once. You only need evolution as a tool if you believe the evidence points to evolution occuring. The point of the case in question is that some people don't think it does. Beat em on that and forget the whole side issue of evolution as a tool. It just distracts the issue.
Except that tick box is only available is few places. If it was available everywhere that would be better. Or if you really want to make it useful you just automatically launch the runas dialog for tasks that require admin access. Just like my Debian Sarge box at home does. Not only does it let me do admin duties from my user account it also keeps me informed when I launch something that wants admin access. Information is power in this context.
Uhmmm. Wrong. I use FireFox on windows at work exclusively and it most definitely does have the middle click. I don't even remember having to change any settings to enable it. In fact I find no difference in interface between windows at work and Debian at home. Both work exactly the same way with no trouble. MPLayer's plugin even works to play WMV and ASF files with no trouble or tweaking. I may be unique or something but I do know that firefox on windows offers all the same functionality of firefox on linux.
Exactly My point although perhaps better said than I did. No I wouldn't turn down a fantasy wage. But I'm not going to waste my time insisting on one when the market won't support it either. I'm like you. I offer an in depth knowledge of my customers needs and immediate onsite support. I don't make $100,000 dollars a year either. The economy in my area won't support it. I'm happy, I make enough money, and I compete with india. If you can't do that then you need to find a new career or move somewhere where your cost of living doesn't outstrip your chosen careers ability to support you financially. Simple economics.
Sorry but I have to call your bluff on this one. I compete with them and I don't starve. I also don't drive the latest and greatest vehicle. I don't eat out at the latest hip restaurant and don't live in a house I can't afford. Learn to live with it. You got used to an unrealistic wage. Now your feeling the aftereffects. Anyone who says they can't compete is really saying they don't want to make the sacrifice necessary to do so.
It is only outsourcing because we refuse to bend on our wages and benefits. I work for a company that provides network management and development services. We compete because we understand our market and set prices and services appropriately. You want to keep your job? Then compete with the guy from india. He's competing with you.
Perhaps those wage cuts are happening because they were way overvalued to begin with. I work in IT and I don't mind making a "real" wage vs. a "fantasy" wage. I like the work and I don't intend to live beyond my means. I know a little about economics, and IT wages were as overvalued as .com stocks for a long time there. The reason jobs are moving overseas? Companies can no longer justify the price American IT workers are demanding. Maybe we should lower our wage expectations if we want to compete in a realistic marketplace.