Suppose that women were/are dominated physically, politically, socially, economically and every which way.. and that is the reason why they dont have numbers in the relevant areas of (hard) science and math.
Lets look at some males:
1) Jim Gates: Black and was afraid to apply to MIT for fear of rejection - and in 1969 there was a lot of racism.. but.. somehow he did ok.. he got into "the relevant areas" see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/bpgat e.html
2) Stephen Hawking "They predicted he would die within two years. " It would be easy to beat him up... But through it all and without the aid of his body to write down mathematical calculations he still... sort of...perservered... into "the relevant areas" see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/hawk ing/index.shtml
3) John Nash - A person of severe mental challenges... yet he managed to make some non-trivial contributions to the mathematical community.. sort. of.. into "the relevant areas" see: http://nobelprize.org/economics/laureates/1994/nas h-autobio.html
These examples show perserverence and how they got into "the relevant areas of (hard) science and mathematics"
In conclusion I think that hard work is how women or any body else for that matter CAN get into "the relevant areas of (hard) science and mathematics."
If a woman were to post a solution to "Fermat's Last Theorem" like say Wiles did.. then.. well... the mathematical community WOULD HAVE TO LET THEM TEACH AT HARVARD OR YALE OR WHATEVER..
FOR HOW COULD YOU HIDE SUCH AN ACHIEVEMENT?
SpawnClown.. see you online in SOCOM2
Lol.
Clearly you dont understand the nature of the lads crime.
His crime was not of premeditated murder or egregious rape... No it was far far worse... He copied and distributed corporate intellectual property.. patented intellectual property aka software and other digitally inscribed markings on some media or other..
He is lucky that the corporate/legal system/machine didnt execute him on the spot!
So let that be a lesson... to all you who have ever belonged to FSF or EFF or HomeBrewed et al.
SpawnClown on SOCOM2
"There are many purposes to business, but being a guaranteed source of employment is not one of them."
We the people will determine the purposes of a business in our country.
"But your solution, making employment an entitlement, is even further out past the fringe of reason"
We the people have a right and even a duty to "kick" your kind or business out of our country. We the people will then form our own businesses which will nurture our people and not turn them out for cheap foreign labor.
We dont see employment as an entitlement - but an "unalienable RIGHT
Let's look at an important part of the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. "
One of the unalienable rights of Americans is to have a decent job without which the very notion of the other "unalienable rights" would have little or no meaning whatsoever! That is, if you don't have a decent job how in the world will you ever have a decent "Life" any "Liberty" or "Pursue Happiness"?
"> What is the point of trying to build a career that can be stolen arbitrarily?"
"The point is to build enough savings that you can start investing those savings and make some money. "
PROGRAM FAIL line#1 Sooo, Assume you are working and start saving... "... build enough savings..." But then you get laid off
line#2 You start looking for another job.. You dont get one.. You look some more.. You dont get one.. You have to make payments a) house, b) car,...etc. etc.
line#3 You get a job.. But you have spent alot of money - like your bank account approaches zero... and (goto line#1)
'Once you've got enough cash in the bank, you look forward to being laid off. It's called "retiring, and they give you a couple more weeks' pay as a going-away present". '
See PROGRAM FAIL
"Don't hate the idle rich. Become the idle rich. "
So...Uh... Everybody's job hasn't been outsourced?
Do the posters here on Slashdot - account for the majority of people who are - or more accurately "were" in IT?
Perhaps the posters on Slashdot only account for a very small fraction of the IT (or Once upon a time employed American IT) professional? - Perhaps the vast sea of unemployed/underemployed x-IT workers that have lost their jobs to: 1) Outsourcing 2) H-1B non-immigrant type work visas 3) The CAFTA loopholes which let the citizens if treatied countries vie for American jobs..
---...are just not represented on Slashdot's comment board. - Heh - They prolly sold their pc's to buy food...
The propaganda on this board is unreal.
How much is the ITAA paying you?
You're either a corporate shill or a moron.
"The numbers of H1's issued in recent years was unusual and we are unlikely to see any of that happening in the near future again"
False!
They just raised the H-1B quota on Saturday the 20th 2004 (the very next day after your post "this") from 65,000 to 85,000.
click here for the truth: http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/gove rnment/policy/story/0,10801,97756,00.html
There is a second Lame Duck Congress scheduled for Dec (2004) and H-1B will again be an issue..
Guess what the limit weill be this time?
UNLIMITED!!!
Yes, Neo (stupid and oblivious american programmer)... You are going to be a coppertop.
You better 'wake up, Neo..'
"U.S. employers *must* pay foreign workers the prevailing wage for their job fields and show that qualified U.S. workers are not being passed over." False! Please read item #4 from url = http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Summary.pdf
"In my experience the BCIS (formerly INS) has pretty stringent about these requirements and as a result companies end up paying H1 workers the *same* amount as they would pay a domestic worker. Please do the research or atleast RTFA."
While your experience may be valid - the vast maojority are not. Furthermore the *corporation* even if it pays the same amount of wages for each kind of employee... it saves on having to pay for or match - 401k plans, Health Insurance, stock options, vestments, and last but not least the tedious tradition of granting "raises" and "Christmas Bonuses"... etc. All these "trappings" are avoided if the *corporation" contracts with an "H-1B bodyshop"
As one manager told me: "Its much easier to hire an H-1B than to hire an FTE - Simply because all the *overhead* in hiring an FTE is just not there when hiring an H-1B."
The H-1B may be terminated at anytime... Whereas the *corporation* must "Show Cause" when terminating an FTE... Furthernmore when terminating an FTE the *corporation* may have to deal with the nasty prospect of yielding "severance pay"... or if the FTE is a "whistle blower" a wrongful termination lawsuit... All of this is avoided with the employment of the H-1B... "If you dont like em... get rid of em..."
Its crystal clear to me that *corporations* are in transition and are re-inventing themselves so as to rid themselves of having to employ costly American labor in lieu of cheap foreign labor either H-IB or outsourcing.
Slashdot Mirror
Suppose that women were/are dominated physically, politically, socially, economically and every which way.. and that is the reason why they dont have numbers in the relevant areas of (hard) science and math. Lets look at some males: 1) Jim Gates: Black and was afraid to apply to MIT for fear of rejection - and in 1969 there was a lot of racism.. but .. somehow he did ok .. he got into "the relevant areas" see: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aso/databank/entries/bpgat e.html
2) Stephen Hawking "They predicted he would die within two years. " It would be easy to beat him up... But through it all and without the aid of his body to write down mathematical calculations he still ... sort of...perservered... into "the relevant areas" see: http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/hawk ing/index.shtml
3) John Nash - A person of severe mental challenges ... yet he managed to make some non-trivial contributions to the mathematical community.. sort. of.. into "the relevant areas" see: http://nobelprize.org/economics/laureates/1994/nas h-autobio.html
These examples show perserverence and how they got into "the relevant areas of (hard) science and mathematics"
In conclusion I think that hard work is how women or any body else for that matter CAN get into "the relevant areas of (hard) science and mathematics."
If a woman were to post a solution to "Fermat's Last Theorem" like say Wiles did .. then .. well... the mathematical community WOULD HAVE TO LET THEM TEACH AT HARVARD OR YALE OR WHATEVER..
FOR HOW COULD YOU HIDE SUCH AN ACHIEVEMENT?
SpawnClown.. see you online in SOCOM2
Lol. Clearly you dont understand the nature of the lads crime. His crime was not of premeditated murder or egregious rape... No it was far far worse... He copied and distributed corporate intellectual property.. patented intellectual property aka software and other digitally inscribed markings on some media or other.. He is lucky that the corporate/legal system/machine didnt execute him on the spot! So let that be a lesson... to all you who have ever belonged to FSF or EFF or HomeBrewed et al. SpawnClown on SOCOM2
"> What is the point of trying to build a career that can be stolen arbitrarily?"
...etc. etc.
...
"The point is to build enough savings that you can start investing those savings and make some money. "
PROGRAM FAIL
line#1 Sooo, Assume you are working and start saving... "... build enough savings..." But then you get laid off
line#2 You start looking for another job.. You dont get one.. You look some more.. You dont get one.. You have to make payments a) house, b) car,
line#3 You get a job.. But you have spent alot of money - like your bank account approaches zero
and (goto line#1)
'Once you've got enough cash in the bank, you look forward to being laid off. It's called "retiring, and they give you a couple more weeks' pay as a going-away present". '
See PROGRAM FAIL
"Don't hate the idle rich. Become the idle rich. "
See PROGRAM FAIL
So...Uh... Everybody's job hasn't been outsourced?
...are just not represented on Slashdot's comment board. - Heh - They prolly sold their pc's to buy food...
Do the posters here on Slashdot - account for the majority of people who are - or more accurately "were" in IT?
Perhaps the posters on Slashdot only account for a very small fraction of the IT (or Once upon a time employed American IT) professional? - Perhaps the vast sea of unemployed/underemployed x-IT workers that have lost their jobs to:
1) Outsourcing
2) H-1B non-immigrant type work visas
3) The CAFTA loopholes which let the citizens if treatied countries vie for American jobs..
---
SpawnClown- look me up on SOCOMII and lets war
The propaganda on this board is unreal. How much is the ITAA paying you? You're either a corporate shill or a moron. "The numbers of H1's issued in recent years was unusual and we are unlikely to see any of that happening in the near future again" False! They just raised the H-1B quota on Saturday the 20th 2004 (the very next day after your post "this") from 65,000 to 85,000. click here for the truth: http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/gove rnment/policy/story/0,10801,97756,00.html
There is a second Lame Duck Congress scheduled for Dec (2004) and H-1B will again be an issue..
Guess what the limit weill be this time?
UNLIMITED!!!
Yes, Neo (stupid and oblivious american programmer) ... You are going to be a coppertop.
You better 'wake up, Neo..'
"U.S. employers *must* pay foreign workers the prevailing wage for their job fields and show that qualified U.S. workers are not being passed over."
False! Please read item #4 from url = http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/Summary.pdf
"In my experience the BCIS (formerly INS) has pretty stringent about these requirements and as a result companies end up paying H1 workers the *same* amount as they would pay a domestic worker. Please do the research or atleast RTFA."
While your experience may be valid - the vast maojority are not. Furthermore the *corporation* even if it pays the same amount of wages for each kind of employee... it saves on having to pay for or match - 401k plans, Health Insurance, stock options, vestments, and last but not least the tedious tradition of granting "raises" and "Christmas Bonuses"... etc. All these "trappings" are avoided if the *corporation" contracts with an "H-1B bodyshop"
As one manager told me: "Its much easier to hire an H-1B than to hire an FTE - Simply because all the *overhead* in hiring an FTE is just not there when hiring an H-1B."
The H-1B may be terminated at anytime... Whereas the *corporation* must "Show Cause" when terminating an FTE... Furthernmore when terminating an FTE the *corporation* may have to deal with the nasty prospect of yielding "severance pay"... or if the FTE is a "whistle blower" a wrongful termination lawsuit... All of this is avoided with the employment of the H-1B... "If you dont like em... get rid of em..."
Its crystal clear to me that *corporations* are in transition and are re-inventing themselves so as to rid themselves of having to employ costly American labor in lieu of cheap foreign labor either H-IB or outsourcing.
SpawnClown