Yes, and they aren't the only ones that do or will. The problems, as will be pointed out are many due to the nature of HTTP. All I can think of is DAMN, this sure is another good reason to not buy, pirate, copy, or even borrow Windows Vista.... Perhaps this will help push more people toward a better OS?
Not trying to be a troll. It just struck me as this is another reason to just say no to MS.
are rejoicing. Not only has the US government mandated the use of corn and corn derived products in just about everything that US consumers use, now their profit margins will soar above whatever they were being subsidized for. Most corn in North America is big business farming, so they are off and running toward all those dollars, no matter how inefficient using corn is for fuels.
All we have to do now is declare corn growers as reducing global warming, and that every stalk of corn planted saves a child to make the headlong rush toward bio-diesel an unrecoverable flop.
Let me say this, Metropolitan networks, whether Wi-Fi or otherwise need one thing to make them both competitive and financially viable; the metropolitan network needs to be owned by that cooperative body within the municipality's control. That means every last 'last mile' connection.
When the city/county (whatever) owns all the last mile physical plant/infrastructure and ISP's simply rent connectivity to end users the municipality will be functional and profitable. Yes, that is how we would see big bandwidth to every home, and each home would have the choice of ISP services. It is possible to do this and would instantly flatten the cost of entry as well as the rules of engagement.
Then, if you ad Wi-Fi support to parts of the city that is subscribed to by users who already pay... well, it's not such a stretch to support financially.
3) The RIAA pulls this one off. Member labels get fewer artists signing with them so they can participate in the new wave of music production, allowing them to garner air time on net radio stations. Additionally net radio stations outside the U.S. will continue to grow like some kind of pirate radio. The world (and especially the U.S.) will be exposed to artists that they never would have been exposed to via the current radio setup.
In this situation, the RIAA loses, corporate radio loses, but the people and the artists win. If the RIAA keeps this up, they will destroy their own industry by making online-music the new on-line gambling. It will be legal everywhere but in the U.S.
yeaaahhh RIAA
May I suggest a few tracks for theme music to their new program:
1) RIAA killed the radio star 2) Hey man, nice shot! 3) Suicide is painless
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"MS will get pirated until they have half a dozen or a dozen versions of their product. It would be practical for them to give away the low end version. "
hmmmm I was under the impression that they *ALREADY* have a dozen versions of their product on the market, none of which are being given away... unless you want to run it for an education institute on cheap (OLPC type) hardware, for which you can pay a meager $3 or so.
The practicality of giving away the low end version won't make sense to MS as they would still have to support updates, security patches etc. I doubt they want to be known around the world as the makers of the least secure OS on the market. While they may have that reputation now, it would be solidified if they were to give away products and not support them.... oh wait, sorry, that model seems to be working if you support the product.
Now, just to figure out the steps to getting MS to do this...
1. design OS 2. support OS 3. give it away for free 4. pay lawmakers to make this legal (not sure about this step or how it might work) 5. ???? 6. Profit !!!!
You, are a shill, and should STFU. You defend an OS that you cannot support, and you use definitively stupid and weak arguments to defend your position. You are arguing that an expensive piece of software has merit in contrast to a free piece of software because you yourself couldn't write better software, and argue that this is true of any software... you sir, are both stupid and wrong. Anyone that needs a computer is not 'needing' to pay money to use it. You are a shill for MS, admit it.
While you say that the software market is mediated on quality, you refuse to admit that there is quality in anything but MS software. You sir, Suck, and I believe you to be nothing more than a shill.
This is so illustrative of why MS' business model is wrong. It totally illustrates why F/OSS software is the way forward for the world in general. Charging for software licenses is just not right. Buying the right to use something is a rental agreement and when MS Windows and other software falls under the same laws as rental agreements... well, then I will sort of agree with them. As long as they contend that 'buying' a copy of Windows is only a right to use... well, they are open to abuse and such. Too bad for them. they chose the wrong business model... I have no sympathy.
Going further, while MS would like to enforce their monopoly, it is clear that the world's population is clearly not in alignment with their wishes. This would seem to indicate that either MS is wrong or the laws are wrong. Pick whichever you want, but the dichotomy is clear.
Personally, I hope that MS loses this one, not just because I wish them ill fortune (and I do) but because clearly in this situation they are pricing themselves out of the market. That business strategy is coming back to bite them in the ass, as it should, and will.
the Atlanta Blue Skye LLC company are irreparably harmed financially when they are hit with the clue stick. There is NO way to suppress information on the Internet globally, and those who try to are more ignorant of the facts than should be believable.
No, it would not. The point is to offer tax relief for a short finite amount of time. That is to say tax relief for the small amount of time that it is providing you the opportunity to profit from your 'property', after which time it becomes a tax burden to keep it out of the public domain. This sets a sort of preference for information being released to the public domain to avoid tax burdens. If after 20 years you had to start paying taxes on the copyright property of a song, it would be better to release it to public domain than try to suckle it for $200 per year in royalties.
I will accept a consideration of facts that might show the owner was still making profit from it. In the case of someone's name for example. If you are making money (taxable funds) from an 'intellectual property' it is still profiting you. If those revenues drop below a percentage of it's original given value, then it is simply to be a tax burden as all intellectual property should become public domain after a very short set amount of time, especially when it is not making you any substantive revenue. This would apply to patent trolls as well. If you are not making revenue from the 'property' all tax relief is forfeited and you can release to the public domain or pay the taxes on same. The tax rate should be applicable to some major percentage of the revenues that you made off the 'property' when enjoying tax relief.
While there is no simple answer to all 'intellectual property' issues, this might even out the 'in perpetuity' issues, and hopefully inspire a 'make your money and then release to public domain' kind of attitude rather than a greedy keep it forever kind of attitude. Yes, some people will feel that does not do their inventiveness or creativity justice, but if they can't make money from it in 20 years, they probably never will, and taxes should be applied for giving them the previous tax relief. In the case of patents, I think the period of tax relief should be even less - say 7 years. In the case of patent trolls, if you are given a patent and do nothing with it to earn taxable money in three years, it is forfeited to public domain. Any effort at all would be considered, even if you lost money in the question of keeping tax relief, but if you simply set on it, and use it only to litigate, it is automatically put into the public domain.
Basically, if you have a patent or copyright and do not use it in manners which such laws attempt to protect, your tax relief is gone and/or you must place the 'property' into the public domain. In this way, I believe we can still support those who _honestly_ need or want to profit from their 'intellectual' properties without stifling the creativity or industriousness of others.
You just hit the nail on the head. If they want copyrights in perpetuity, I say we should also tax that property of theirs. Owning a masterpiece of artwork is owning an asset and applicable taxes are then applied. Same should go for copyright holders and patent holders. After a very limited time of tax relief on their 'property' it becomes a taxable asset unless they release it to the public domain. That should balance out the benefit to public vs. royalty issues on things that have gone past any verifiable value of private ownership of such 'intellectual properties' as are currently under debate.
Exactly how does this protect a user if a worm maps www.citi.bank to and IP address for www.citi.bank.p0wned.com in their host table?
It gives the user false a sense of security thinking that typing www.citi.bank into their browser will take them to a secure site that has been vetted when it actuality it takes them to a fake site.
There is simply no way to ensure that the Internet is safe for users unless you spend time and resources to educate those users in methods that they themselves can use to determine if they are talking to a scam site or not.
I don't know if it's just me, but lately there seem to be a lot of people around the world that are making their voices heard either via the Internet or boycotts etc. This is nothing but a good thing, and I hope that the German people are able to send a message loud enough to be heard by all concerned.
Mr Orwell's Big Brother and F/OSS really don't need to be friends...
The article is making the case for government support of teleworkers while questioning the reasons for >3$/gal fuel. While that is a good premise I don't think that it covers everything. I work from home when I can. I want to stop smoking to save money but I suddenly realized that if I work from home I save the same as not smoking 1.5 packs that day. Yes, gasoline is becoming a very expensive habit. I hope that this story and related issues do bring about an atmosphere where my employer is willing to let me work from home several days per week. That would equate to a nice raise in pay.
I don't think that the link between teleworkers and fuel costs is concrete or causal. I think it's just a happy coincidence. Moreover I hope that the gasoline companies get held over the 'barrel' for quite a while and in a way that puts money back in my pocket. 90 million dollars net profit per day is obscenely huge. Someone should be questioning why fuel costs are so high!
With some of the stuff that I see on the Internet (websites and blogs etc.) I'd have to say that the urinalysis gaff isn't really all that bad.
The only place that speech recognition really annoys me is phone answering systems. They are not competent enough to let you concatenate menu item options and make an intelligent choice as to which phone queue to put you in. For example:
"I have trouble with my cable modem dropping packets" is a statement that 'SHOULD' get you put through to the second tier support line... but no, you have to go through 3 or more menu choices and still only get to talk to the scripted low wage 1st tier support.
"The bottom line is exciting...The conditions for life could be there, but is life itself? As yet, there's no way to know unless the planet has spawned beings that are at least as clever as we are. As part of the SETI Institute's Project Phoenix, we twice aimed large antennas in the direction of Gliese 581, hoping to pick up a signal that would bespeak technology... Neither search turned up a signal." emphasis mine
The trouble is that despite the planet's title sounding like a science fiction title, the former residents of Gliese 581 were at least as clever as we are, and the planet is currently recovering from a complete nuclear winter...
MS has been copying or buying anyone else that is considered a leader in the marketplace since day one, if not before that. The only originality (if you can call it that) from MS has been their marketing strategy of forcing the world to buy their software when buying a pc. Had it not been for that kind of originality, MS would have been an also ran long ago... well, it could have happened that way. At this moment in time, Google and a few others have managed to carve out a spot in the marketplace before MS could buy them or run them out of business.
Yes, I do know that, but mentioning it means having to think about and discuss the fact that we HAVE paid for the fiber, and now Verizon et al want to charge us again for installing it via higher fees.
10Mbytes? Why stop there? Fiber will give you 30 easily. The infrastructure upgrade to handle all those 30Mbyte end user connections, but that can be done over years. It won't be long before wireless will be competing successfully with DSL and making dialup seem a bad value.
about the great Consumer Revolt of 2007 in history classes.
The list of revolt-ish type actions lately is getting quite long. I think the Internet is really starting to make its true value known.
Companies who want to force DRM on the consumers are simply terrified that they have no product and must force consumers to pay for distribution. The sad part is that they are wasting so much time, money, effort, and lobbying to try to stop what they never could before, and have no hope of stopping in the future; the sneaker-net is still alive and apparently doing very well with 500GB USB drives selling for less than 2 seasons of the Sopranos.
Digg, AACS, XM radio, and all that came before it. Oh, also that deal with the King and feet, the actress having sex on the beach... who knows how many more it will take....
That person in the Whitehouse currently, along with his pals, are trying harder than anyone in recent history to erode away and steal your personal freedoms. They are deserving of 'our' attention, even if you don't get the joke... meh
a timely release of information to take the heat off of GWB and his pals dancing around the law in D.C.?
If people are busy worrying about the secrets surrounding the murder of JFK they will be too busy to notice the secrets that are currently being shoved under the carpet in the Whitehouse?
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Yes, and they aren't the only ones that do or will. The problems, as will be pointed out are many due to the nature of HTTP. All I can think of is DAMN, this sure is another good reason to not buy, pirate, copy, or even borrow Windows Vista.... Perhaps this will help push more people toward a better OS?
Not trying to be a troll. It just struck me as this is another reason to just say no to MS.
are rejoicing. Not only has the US government mandated the use of corn and corn derived products in just about everything that US consumers use, now their profit margins will soar above whatever they were being subsidized for. Most corn in North America is big business farming, so they are off and running toward all those dollars, no matter how inefficient using corn is for fuels.
All we have to do now is declare corn growers as reducing global warming, and that every stalk of corn planted saves a child to make the headlong rush toward bio-diesel an unrecoverable flop.
Let me say this, Metropolitan networks, whether Wi-Fi or otherwise need one thing to make them both competitive and financially viable; the metropolitan network needs to be owned by that cooperative body within the municipality's control. That means every last 'last mile' connection.
When the city/county (whatever) owns all the last mile physical plant/infrastructure and ISP's simply rent connectivity to end users the municipality will be functional and profitable. Yes, that is how we would see big bandwidth to every home, and each home would have the choice of ISP services. It is possible to do this and would instantly flatten the cost of entry as well as the rules of engagement.
Then, if you ad Wi-Fi support to parts of the city that is subscribed to by users who already pay... well, it's not such a stretch to support financially.
Does anyone see any downsides to this?
MS cannot fund any study ever without F, U, 'n' D
I think you missed an option:
3) The RIAA pulls this one off. Member labels get fewer artists signing with them so they can participate in the new wave of music production, allowing them to garner air time on net radio stations. Additionally net radio stations outside the U.S. will continue to grow like some kind of pirate radio. The world (and especially the U.S.) will be exposed to artists that they never would have been exposed to via the current radio setup.
In this situation, the RIAA loses, corporate radio loses, but the people and the artists win. If the RIAA keeps this up, they will destroy their own industry by making online-music the new on-line gambling. It will be legal everywhere but in the U.S.
yeaaahhh RIAA
May I suggest a few tracks for theme music to their new program:
1) RIAA killed the radio star
2) Hey man, nice shot!
3) Suicide is painless
"MS will get pirated until they have half a dozen or a dozen versions of their product. It would be practical for them to give away the low end version.
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hmmmm I was under the impression that they *ALREADY* have a dozen versions of their product on the market, none of which are being given away... unless you want to run it for an education institute on cheap (OLPC type) hardware, for which you can pay a meager $3 or so.
The practicality of giving away the low end version won't make sense to MS as they would still have to support updates, security patches etc. I doubt they want to be known around the world as the makers of the least secure OS on the market. While they may have that reputation now, it would be solidified if they were to give away products and not support them.... oh wait, sorry, that model seems to be working if you support the product.
Now, just to figure out the steps to getting MS to do this...
1. design OS
2. support OS
3. give it away for free
4. pay lawmakers to make this legal (not sure about this step or how it might work)
5. ????
6. Profit !!!!
You, are a shill, and should STFU. You defend an OS that you cannot support, and you use definitively stupid and weak arguments to defend your position. You are arguing that an expensive piece of software has merit in contrast to a free piece of software because you yourself couldn't write better software, and argue that this is true of any software... you sir, are both stupid and wrong. Anyone that needs a computer is not 'needing' to pay money to use it. You are a shill for MS, admit it.
While you say that the software market is mediated on quality, you refuse to admit that there is quality in anything but MS software. You sir, Suck, and I believe you to be nothing more than a shill.
This is so illustrative of why MS' business model is wrong. It totally illustrates why F/OSS software is the way forward for the world in general. Charging for software licenses is just not right. Buying the right to use something is a rental agreement and when MS Windows and other software falls under the same laws as rental agreements... well, then I will sort of agree with them. As long as they contend that 'buying' a copy of Windows is only a right to use... well, they are open to abuse and such. Too bad for them. they chose the wrong business model... I have no sympathy.
Going further, while MS would like to enforce their monopoly, it is clear that the world's population is clearly not in alignment with their wishes. This would seem to indicate that either MS is wrong or the laws are wrong. Pick whichever you want, but the dichotomy is clear.
Personally, I hope that MS loses this one, not just because I wish them ill fortune (and I do) but because clearly in this situation they are pricing themselves out of the market. That business strategy is coming back to bite them in the ass, as it should, and will.
Absolutely right, and let the courts make them pay the blogger huge sums for their harassment of his legal use of the Internet.
the Atlanta Blue Skye LLC company are irreparably harmed financially when they are hit with the clue stick. There is NO way to suppress information on the Internet globally, and those who try to are more ignorant of the facts than should be believable.
No, it would not. The point is to offer tax relief for a short finite amount of time. That is to say tax relief for the small amount of time that it is providing you the opportunity to profit from your 'property', after which time it becomes a tax burden to keep it out of the public domain. This sets a sort of preference for information being released to the public domain to avoid tax burdens. If after 20 years you had to start paying taxes on the copyright property of a song, it would be better to release it to public domain than try to suckle it for $200 per year in royalties.
I will accept a consideration of facts that might show the owner was still making profit from it. In the case of someone's name for example. If you are making money (taxable funds) from an 'intellectual property' it is still profiting you. If those revenues drop below a percentage of it's original given value, then it is simply to be a tax burden as all intellectual property should become public domain after a very short set amount of time, especially when it is not making you any substantive revenue. This would apply to patent trolls as well. If you are not making revenue from the 'property' all tax relief is forfeited and you can release to the public domain or pay the taxes on same. The tax rate should be applicable to some major percentage of the revenues that you made off the 'property' when enjoying tax relief.
While there is no simple answer to all 'intellectual property' issues, this might even out the 'in perpetuity' issues, and hopefully inspire a 'make your money and then release to public domain' kind of attitude rather than a greedy keep it forever kind of attitude. Yes, some people will feel that does not do their inventiveness or creativity justice, but if they can't make money from it in 20 years, they probably never will, and taxes should be applied for giving them the previous tax relief. In the case of patents, I think the period of tax relief should be even less - say 7 years. In the case of patent trolls, if you are given a patent and do nothing with it to earn taxable money in three years, it is forfeited to public domain. Any effort at all would be considered, even if you lost money in the question of keeping tax relief, but if you simply set on it, and use it only to litigate, it is automatically put into the public domain.
Basically, if you have a patent or copyright and do not use it in manners which such laws attempt to protect, your tax relief is gone and/or you must place the 'property' into the public domain. In this way, I believe we can still support those who _honestly_ need or want to profit from their 'intellectual' properties without stifling the creativity or industriousness of others.
You just hit the nail on the head. If they want copyrights in perpetuity, I say we should also tax that property of theirs. Owning a masterpiece of artwork is owning an asset and applicable taxes are then applied. Same should go for copyright holders and patent holders. After a very limited time of tax relief on their 'property' it becomes a taxable asset unless they release it to the public domain. That should balance out the benefit to public vs. royalty issues on things that have gone past any verifiable value of private ownership of such 'intellectual properties' as are currently under debate.
Exactly how does this protect a user if a worm maps www.citi.bank to and IP address for www.citi.bank.p0wned.com in their host table?
It gives the user false a sense of security thinking that typing www.citi.bank into their browser will take them to a secure site that has been vetted when it actuality it takes them to a fake site.
There is simply no way to ensure that the Internet is safe for users unless you spend time and resources to educate those users in methods that they themselves can use to determine if they are talking to a scam site or not.
I don't know if it's just me, but lately there seem to be a lot of people around the world that are making their voices heard either via the Internet or boycotts etc. This is nothing but a good thing, and I hope that the German people are able to send a message loud enough to be heard by all concerned.
Mr Orwell's Big Brother and F/OSS really don't need to be friends...
The article is making the case for government support of teleworkers while questioning the reasons for >3$/gal fuel. While that is a good premise I don't think that it covers everything. I work from home when I can. I want to stop smoking to save money but I suddenly realized that if I work from home I save the same as not smoking 1.5 packs that day. Yes, gasoline is becoming a very expensive habit. I hope that this story and related issues do bring about an atmosphere where my employer is willing to let me work from home several days per week. That would equate to a nice raise in pay.
I don't think that the link between teleworkers and fuel costs is concrete or causal. I think it's just a happy coincidence. Moreover I hope that the gasoline companies get held over the 'barrel' for quite a while and in a way that puts money back in my pocket. 90 million dollars net profit per day is obscenely huge. Someone should be questioning why fuel costs are so high!
spin control was fully in the political domain? Does this mean that politicians will soon begin to understand the Intarweb tubes?
With some of the stuff that I see on the Internet (websites and blogs etc.) I'd have to say that the urinalysis gaff isn't really all that bad.
The only place that speech recognition really annoys me is phone answering systems. They are not competent enough to let you concatenate menu item options and make an intelligent choice as to which phone queue to put you in. For example:
"I have trouble with my cable modem dropping packets" is a statement that 'SHOULD' get you put through to the second tier support line... but no, you have to go through 3 or more menu choices and still only get to talk to the scripted low wage 1st tier support.
patent troll troll?
It would be nice to see this force reasonable patent reform.
The trouble is that despite the planet's title sounding like a science fiction title, the former residents of Gliese 581 were at least as clever as we are, and the planet is currently recovering from a complete nuclear winter...
MS has been copying or buying anyone else that is considered a leader in the marketplace since day one, if not before that. The only originality (if you can call it that) from MS has been their marketing strategy of forcing the world to buy their software when buying a pc. Had it not been for that kind of originality, MS would have been an also ran long ago... well, it could have happened that way. At this moment in time, Google and a few others have managed to carve out a spot in the marketplace before MS could buy them or run them out of business.
Yes, I do know that, but mentioning it means having to think about and discuss the fact that we HAVE paid for the fiber, and now Verizon et al want to charge us again for installing it via higher fees.
10Mbytes? Why stop there? Fiber will give you 30 easily. The infrastructure upgrade to handle all those 30Mbyte end user connections, but that can be done over years. It won't be long before wireless will be competing successfully with DSL and making dialup seem a bad value.
about the great Consumer Revolt of 2007 in history classes.
....
The list of revolt-ish type actions lately is getting quite long. I think the Internet is really starting to make its true value known.
Companies who want to force DRM on the consumers are simply terrified that they have no product and must force consumers to pay for distribution. The sad part is that they are wasting so much time, money, effort, and lobbying to try to stop what they never could before, and have no hope of stopping in the future; the sneaker-net is still alive and apparently doing very well with 500GB USB drives selling for less than 2 seasons of the Sopranos.
Digg, AACS, XM radio, and all that came before it. Oh, also that deal with the King and feet, the actress having sex on the beach... who knows how many more it will take
Uhhh, hello, McFly! tap tap tap
That person in the Whitehouse currently, along with his pals, are trying harder than anyone in recent history to erode away and steal your personal freedoms. They are deserving of 'our' attention, even if you don't get the joke... meh
a timely release of information to take the heat off of GWB and his pals dancing around the law in D.C.?
If people are busy worrying about the secrets surrounding the murder of JFK they will be too busy to notice the secrets that are currently being shoved under the carpet in the Whitehouse?