Well, this is hardly unexpected. I mean, Microsoft couldn't settle, because they would have had to admit guilt and they would be liable for hundreds of suits from other companies.
so.... What does everyone think the long-term effects of this will be? Will they be IBM, where so much of what they do becomes legal driven during the years of appeals we all know is coming? Will they lose all focus? Will they emerge later? (like IBM is now). ---
He's talking about a mac. You don't "set up" a card on a mac. You just put it in and reboot the damn thing. I'm not a mac person anymore, relly, but a lot of PC folks don't understand this fact. ---
Thanks for the memories. I originally learned to program (after a short stint on a TI/99-4A) in BASIC and assembler on an old Atari 600. People doing stuff like making a web server out of old hardware just crack me up. BTW, I got through fine. ---
>Destroy all existing copies of all Microsoft products and watch the personal computer revolution die a quick, untimely death. Or help apple immensely, I guess:) Note to moderators: A PRO-M$ COMMENT IS NOT FLAMEBAIT! ---
This is such utter crap and I'm tired of it. If I go to a client and tell them "I can make this super-cool C++ app in ten months, or slap together this Vb in 4" what are they gonna say? Four months! Why? Because by the time I finish that C++ app, the business will have changed radically. And if I move on down the road, would the employer rather get a VB programmer (like me) at $65 an hour for 10 hours to add a feature or a C++ programmer at $85 an hour for 20 to add the same feature? Now do you wonder why VB is the most popular development environment? (BTW, it isn't even close last stats I saw)....... ---
Yeah, Hotline is still around. The problem is, all the sites are either: a: Click on these seven porn banners to get the password or: b: Upload a ton of crap and you'll get an account when I feel like it. ---
Corel draw (full package) does include some bitmap editor. Corel is a sweet package deal (everything under the sun) and a decent piece of software. The problem comes when you want to output it to a service bureaus (hi-res postscript imagesetter) for professional printing. You'll pay more, because it's such a pain in the (*&#( ---
The key to COBRA crap is: You have 60 days from when you get the letter to elect coverage. Just FYI. My HR person (at the job I was leaving) told me how to scam this. I had to wait 90 days for health coverage at my new job (don't ask). She said "look, you won't get the letter for like three weeks anyway, then you have 60 days to decide. So if you get REALLY sick, you can elect COBRA coverage and pay the back premiums." I didn't and was about $300 ahead. NOTE IANAL. ---
I have a serious question for slashdotters here: do you really think the world would be a better place if Bill G. wouldn't have been born? Seriously? ---
This is what I do too. As I speak, I am debugging a scheduler program that uses 700 + lines to code to 1: Define a new stock item (that really has very few characteristics) and 2: add that Item to a schedule for manufacturing! It's a mess of code with no rhyme or reason. I've done a bunch of stuff for this company (at $75 an hour, in a state in bottom five of cost per living)all like this. A while back I did a whole new program from scratch. The guy was amazed how fast it came together, how fast it was (even against a crappy Access databsae). I just said "see what happens when you have a REAL programmer, who actually thinks through the design, do something?" VB is my tool. I'm getting to know it inside and out. I can adapt to different databases (not really all that different) for a back-end. But I have no desire to learn another language when VB can do 95% of what I want and my firm can always outsource a COM object to a C++ programmer if we have to (we haven't yet). I won't recommend linux desktops to a client until they have VB for it. Period. That's not to say it's a bad tool or anything, but it's not what I know. I'm trying to learn some linux, but I have a list of things a mile long to learn and since I've yet to have a SINGLE client who has even heard of Linux, let alone brought it up!, it's pretty far down on my list. ---
Agreed. That's why I said, for instance, that If I have SERIOUS string crunching to do, I wouldn't recommend VB to a client. VB's string handling is slow. But I'm talking a LOT of strings. ---
Geez. Don't apologize for using VB. I hate to break it to all the folks here but there is a REASON businesses use VB: It's often the proper tool for the job. Folks I don't apologize for using Vb. The programing I learned as a kid was Basic and some assembler. I've tried to learn C a couple of times and, frankly, wasn't impressed. I don't understand why I should take twice as long to produce code that does the same thing. I can do multi-tier apps, talk to any database I want (what database doesn't have an ODBC driver?), OO stuff, write my own add-ins to customize the IDE and I don't have to recall syntax of a damn command/function I use once a year (or even a function I just wrote), 'cause VB will pop up the syntax for me. I can write a VB program that doesn't use data binding, that is scalable, that manages it's memory properly to release resources back to the OS and is TRIVIAL to integrate with the other applications that businesses use (not JUST m$ office. Lot's of programs expose a type lib object model these days.) Of course, if I had heavy string manipulation to do, maybe I'd look at a C++ COM object I call. Ok? There is a REASON businesses have become so sold on VB. There is a REASON it's the most-used development environment. ---
... but that wouldn't allow everyone to build up the proper righteous indignation. Geez, don't try to bring facts into the debate. This is slashdot! ---
I can hear Carl now from his grave.... "And this chip is populated with billions and billions of transistors on a single chip, all interacting and dancing to a tune called... COMPUTING!" ---
I thought that was it. You're right, it's dragonmount. I've had no problems with it so far, but I'm not really using it for serious work or anything...... ---
Why not just use the free WINIP (www.winip.com), I think there's a linux version, before I get flamed for assuming you use windows. It gives you a name that remaps to your IP. (BTW, I have roadrunner and your IP only changes when your cable modem looses power. Unfortunately, It seems like it gets confused and has to be reset about once a week or so.) ---
I guess we just got lucky. Honestly, we had an NT server that had very little problems. It ran Exchange (for the whole enterprise, not just our company) and SQL server. Now our other NT box ran Citrix/Terminal server, which I tend to categorize as a piece of Sh*t, but it was probably because the guy who admin'ed the first box knew what he was doing, the second guy didn't. I think that makes all the dif in the world. As for the remote, I don't get this one either. Our sysadmin only went down there to change hardware. He could do everything else remotely. It's my opinion that if you're gonna do NT, do all NT. It's well know it doesn't play well with others. Do you understand my point that/. messages about "NT sucking" only turn me off. I have no love for M$, but I don't want to learn Linux only to becoming a blithering asshole. ---
NT-only companies have IM departments run by morons? Believe me, it is these kind of sweeping generalizations that hurt the Linux community. Every time I want to boot up to my linux partition and really start learning it, I read some comment like this on/. and say "do I really want to become one of THESE guys?" BTW, there are more MCSE's because there are more companies that have NT servers (I'm talking corporate busines world here folks, not University or ISP's) and you can make a lot of money. I can't recall seeing an ad here in OKC that asked for a CNE, although I'm sure there are plenty of companies using Novell (a good product, BTW) ---
Well, I read some of the stuff and then found advert.dll. Took me a while to get rid of it.... Tried to delete it, can't in use. Tried to use regsrvr32 to unreg it. Couldn't. Rebooted and it was still in use, even though no 'net apps had been launched! Finally booted to a c: prompt and deleted it from there. Geez. ---
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Well, this is hardly unexpected. I mean, Microsoft couldn't settle, because they would have had to admit guilt and they would be liable for hundreds of suits from other companies.
so....
What does everyone think the long-term effects of this will be?
Will they be IBM, where so much of what they do becomes legal driven during the years of appeals we all know is coming? Will they lose all focus? Will they emerge later? (like IBM is now).
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He's talking about a mac. You don't "set up" a card on a mac. You just put it in and reboot the damn thing. I'm not a mac person anymore, relly, but a lot of PC folks don't understand this fact.
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Thanks for the memories. I originally learned to program (after a short stint on a TI/99-4A) in BASIC and assembler on an old Atari 600. People doing stuff like making a web server out of old hardware just crack me up. BTW, I got through fine.
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>Destroy all existing copies of all Microsoft products and watch the personal computer revolution die a quick, untimely death. Or help apple immensely, I guess :) Note to moderators: A PRO-M$ COMMENT IS NOT FLAMEBAIT!
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Yeah, does it mean you'll get an answer like "The answer might be 3.476 or it might be 3.475?"
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This is such utter crap and I'm tired of it. If I go to a client and tell them "I can make this super-cool C++ app in ten months, or slap together this Vb in 4" what are they gonna say? Four months! Why? Because by the time I finish that C++ app, the business will have changed radically. And if I move on down the road, would the employer rather get a VB programmer (like me) at $65 an hour for 10 hours to add a feature or a C++ programmer at $85 an hour for 20 to add the same feature? Now do you wonder why VB is the most popular development environment? (BTW, it isn't even close last stats I saw).......
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Yeah, Hotline is still around. The problem is, all the sites are either: a: Click on these seven porn banners to get the password or: b: Upload a ton of crap and you'll get an account when I feel like it.
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Geez. The more I hear about DVD, the less I want one. That's just obnoxiuos.
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Corel draw (full package) does include some bitmap editor. Corel is a sweet package deal (everything under the sun) and a decent piece of software. The problem comes when you want to output it to a service bureaus (hi-res postscript imagesetter) for professional printing. You'll pay more, because it's such a pain in the (*&#(
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The key to COBRA crap is: You have 60 days from when you get the letter to elect coverage. Just FYI. My HR person (at the job I was leaving) told me how to scam this. I had to wait 90 days for health coverage at my new job (don't ask). She said "look, you won't get the letter for like three weeks anyway, then you have 60 days to decide. So if you get REALLY sick, you can elect COBRA coverage and pay the back premiums." I didn't and was about $300 ahead. NOTE IANAL.
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I have a serious question for slashdotters here: do you really think the world would be a better place if Bill G. wouldn't have been born? Seriously?
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yeah, that 2001 really sucked. I guess that's why it's on so many critics' top 20 lists and stuff :)
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This is what I do too. As I speak, I am debugging a scheduler program that uses 700 + lines to code to 1: Define a new stock item (that really has very few characteristics) and 2: add that Item to a schedule for manufacturing! It's a mess of code with no rhyme or reason. I've done a bunch of stuff for this company (at $75 an hour, in a state in bottom five of cost per living)all like this. A while back I did a whole new program from scratch. The guy was amazed how fast it came together, how fast it was (even against a crappy Access databsae). I just said "see what happens when you have a REAL programmer, who actually thinks through the design, do something?" VB is my tool. I'm getting to know it inside and out. I can adapt to different databases (not really all that different) for a back-end. But I have no desire to learn another language when VB can do 95% of what I want and my firm can always outsource a COM object to a C++ programmer if we have to (we haven't yet). I won't recommend linux desktops to a client until they have VB for it. Period. That's not to say it's a bad tool or anything, but it's not what I know. I'm trying to learn some linux, but I have a list of things a mile long to learn and since I've yet to have a SINGLE client who has even heard of Linux, let alone brought it up!, it's pretty far down on my list.
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Agreed. That's why I said, for instance, that If I have SERIOUS string crunching to do, I wouldn't recommend VB to a client. VB's string handling is slow. But I'm talking a LOT of strings.
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Geez. Don't apologize for using VB. I hate to break it to all the folks here but there is a REASON businesses use VB: It's often the proper tool for the job. Folks I don't apologize for using Vb. The programing I learned as a kid was Basic and some assembler. I've tried to learn C a couple of times and, frankly, wasn't impressed. I don't understand why I should take twice as long to produce code that does the same thing. I can do multi-tier apps, talk to any database I want (what database doesn't have an ODBC driver?), OO stuff, write my own add-ins to customize the IDE and I don't have to recall syntax of a damn command/function I use once a year (or even a function I just wrote), 'cause VB will pop up the syntax for me. I can write a VB program that doesn't use data binding, that is scalable, that manages it's memory properly to release resources back to the OS and is TRIVIAL to integrate with the other applications that businesses use (not JUST m$ office. Lot's of programs expose a type lib object model these days.) Of course, if I had heavy string manipulation to do, maybe I'd look at a C++ COM object I call. Ok? There is a REASON businesses have become so sold on VB. There is a REASON it's the most-used development environment.
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Guess that's why it sold so few huh? After all, everyone knows it's a hunk of junk and ugly to boot.
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... but that wouldn't allow everyone to build up the proper righteous indignation. Geez, don't try to bring facts into the debate. This is slashdot!
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I did make a point to say my PHYSICAL self. I do believe that my physical self is a container for my conciousness, however.
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I can hear Carl now from his grave.... "And this chip is populated with billions and billions of transistors on a single chip, all interacting and dancing to a tune called ... COMPUTING!"
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Cool! I could just squeeze my entire (physical) self onto a CDR!
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I thought that was it. You're right, it's dragonmount. I've had no problems with it so far, but I'm not really using it for serious work or anything......
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Why not just use the free WINIP (www.winip.com), I think there's a linux version, before I get flamed for assuming you use windows. It gives you a name that remaps to your IP. (BTW, I have roadrunner and your IP only changes when your cable modem looses power. Unfortunately, It seems like it gets confused and has to be reset about once a week or so.)
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I guess we just got lucky. Honestly, we had an NT server that had very little problems. It ran Exchange (for the whole enterprise, not just our company) and SQL server. Now our other NT box ran Citrix/Terminal server, which I tend to categorize as a piece of Sh*t, but it was probably because the guy who admin'ed the first box knew what he was doing, the second guy didn't. I think that makes all the dif in the world. As for the remote, I don't get this one either. Our sysadmin only went down there to change hardware. He could do everything else remotely. It's my opinion that if you're gonna do NT, do all NT. It's well know it doesn't play well with others. Do you understand my point that /. messages about "NT sucking" only turn me off. I have no love for M$, but I don't want to learn Linux only to becoming a blithering asshole.
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NT-only companies have IM departments run by morons? Believe me, it is these kind of sweeping generalizations that hurt the Linux community. Every time I want to boot up to my linux partition and really start learning it, I read some comment like this on /. and say "do I really want to become one of THESE guys?" BTW, there are more MCSE's because there are more companies that have NT servers (I'm talking corporate busines world here folks, not University or ISP's) and you can make a lot of money. I can't recall seeing an ad here in OKC that asked for a CNE, although I'm sure there are plenty of companies using Novell (a good product, BTW)
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Well, I read some of the stuff and then found advert.dll. Took me a while to get rid of it.... Tried to delete it, can't in use. Tried to use regsrvr32 to unreg it. Couldn't. Rebooted and it was still in use, even though no 'net apps had been launched! Finally booted to a c: prompt and deleted it from there. Geez.
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