It was more of the "or else..." kind. Where you don't say what you're going to do, only implying that they really, really don't wish to find out. You know, along the Godfather lines.
Cooperative multiplayer has been ignored for too long by the games industry. There's one reason I played Borderlands at all, and that's cooperative multiplayer done well. I'm so glad Bethesda is finally going that direction. I've always wanted cooperative Oblivion. Well, one can hope... maybe Eldar Scrolls V... please?
Let's talk again in 1500 or so years. That's how long it took them. If Scientology hasn't changed by then, I will agree that they are much worse. Until then, I merely consider them to be the latest version of the same religious fucked-up-ness.
Really? Free speech is the corner stone and necessary for spreading the Gospel to the unfaithful-yet-to-be-faithful.
Yes, if their desires are hindered by something, it's easy to be all for it. But as the famous words go, you're only a champion of free speech if you defend it even though you hate the specific content.
And on that, the catholic church, at least where I live, hasn't a very good track record. Now they are a far, far call from Scientology, etc. - but they're not shiny knights.
Moreover, last time anyone uttered any criticisms against the Catholic Church didn't wake up with a severed horse head in their bed, have their tongue cut out or have their lives turned upside down.
As I said: Every since torture and burning people at the stake became unfashionable.
since they don't burn people at the stake any more for heresy then I'd say that's a pretty good move towards valuing and allowing free speech.
Well... err... yes, you are right that it certainly is an improvement. Still, you know, not murdering people is an improvement for someone convicted of murder, but it's not something you'd put on your resume as a special ability, is it?
Sometimes its for good national security reasons which in the long run protect the public. Reasons which a lot of wannabe Robin Hoods won't know about and as a consequence can put agents or even the entire country at risk.
You mean like revealing the identity of active agents on national television? Oh, ups, that was a high-ranking government official, my bad.
You are, of course, assuming that the decision making inside government is done with the interest of some greater good in mind.
Unfortunately, as it is done by humans, it is very often done with personal interests in mind. Many of the documents leaked on Wikileaks are testament to that. The only reason they were kept secret was that they'd embarass someone, with "embarass" in the widest sense including "prove criminal war crimes".
Whistleblowers are an (unofficial) part of the checks & balances system. Every time they blow the whistle on something that should not have been kept secret, should have been revealed, and the fact that it was covered up shocks the public as much or more than the actual content, the system is set right again a little bit.
People say horrible and untrue thing about Catholics and the Catholic Church all the time, but they don't try and abuse the legal system to stop them, because they recognise the importance of freedom of speech.
Uh, what?
The catholic church isn't very keen on any freedoms, and freedom of speech doesn't rank highly on their value-list. However, ever since burning people at the stake has become unpopular, they've largely abstained from the crap. The other reason they don't use courts very often is that they have a massive dislike for accepting that someone else might have power they don't. For their generally take on the legal system, just look at the ultimatum(!) that a catholic bishop put to the ministry of justice in Germany a few weeks ago when it came to child abuse issues within the catholic church.
I don't know of many other institutions that attempt to bully a national government, you know?
More and more I get the impression this isn't the same Obama that was voted into office. Do people get their brains exchanged or something when they become president? Would explain the 2nd Bush (no brain available at that time).
Insightful? Excuse me? According to parent, we should all be forgetting about all the other browsers and just go with IE, because it's there and people don't care.
Except, of course, that we all still remember how much IE kept the Web back when it was the de facto standard. Just the same way that Windos has kept computing in the stone age. Maybe people don't care about the browser, but they do care about the detrimental effects of monopoly products, even if they don't understand what is happening why.
Parent is essentially doubting one of the most fundamentally proven facts of economics, and is modded "insightful"? Is being on drugs a requirement for getting mod points today?
and this is news, why? Anyone who is surprised by that has been living under a rock and only heard about this "iPad" thing yesterday night after at least five beers. Even the guy who asked the question didn't really expect a different answer.
Again, only to a very limited degree, and the less the more mature the product is.
Let's take another technological item, that is very more mature than a car. A key. Do you know how a lock works? Would it improve your handling of it if you did? There are at least a hundred similar technological inventions around you every day that you barely notice anymore. Cars are still fairly new, and not yet entirely mature, but even there, knowing how it works helps very little in actually driving it.
For computers, knowing something about them still helps. It makes you know why the machine is slow, and you can then take countermeasures or at least not make it worse by starting even more programs, for example. But again, the more it matures, the more this advantage disappears and "usage skill" and "maintainance skill" drift further apart.
No, it's more like saying "people should know how to drive before taking their car on public roads"
No, it isn't.
They know how to "drive" - they can click those buttons, enter a URL, write an e-mail.
Their errors are not in the driving. They're in - to stay with the analogy - where they are driving to. Someone taught them how to drive, but nobody told them not to drive their nice Porsche into the Bronx.
You expect someone who drives a car to understand that they need to change the oil, fill up the gas, etc.
Uh, no?
I drive rental cars, don't own one myself (several reason, not important here why). I don't care about changing oil or even washing the damn thing, and if filling up the gas wouldn't be so expensive at the rental company, I'd let them do even that.
Lots of people who do own cars don't change oil, either. They bring it to a garage and let them do it.
And why shouldn't they? It's not as if being able to change the oil makes you a better driver.
But that is like driving school - it tells you which buttons to click and what a website is. It does not tell you to think. The equivalent to a drivers license is knowing how to use a browser and a mail program.
Spotting scams and spam goes way beyond driving school, into the "where to find the best gas" and "why women in short skirts are not standing at the edge of the road because they are handing out flyers for pop concerts" area.
That's stuff you can do with a car, not how to use a car. Same with Internet - learning how to use e-mail and learning to spot spam and scams is not the same thing.
Single point of failure == single point of contact. Do you really think they wouldn't be able to trace you on an open AP? For some driveby hacking, that's fine. But a botnet of any size? It's pretty trivial to trap you.
It's not crap in the OS that causes the vast majority of infections. It's crap in the user's heads.
Cheap cop-out.
You're in a mass-market. You can not expect the majority of users to know anything about computers. You can debate that point all you like, but that's how it is. Saying otherwise is like saying only car mechanics should be allowed to drive cars.
Even if the control machines loose DNS resolution, might not the botnet be configured to fall back to connecting to well known IP addresses to accept commands?
You'd have to store that IP somewhere, which means in the clients, which means it'll be found and either disabled or lead them right to your door.
Again, I agree with the caveat that real life is not linear nor simple.
People do suffer and accept setbacks in games. The magic is all in how it is packaged. If it were otherwise, 90% of the games currently on the market would fail, because they all give you setbacks in one way or the other.
So yes, people want a good night of progression. But that progress can contain partial setbacks, as long as the sum total is progress, people will be more or less happy. And that's what I've been saying all along.
Indeed, the griefers are always the first to cry if someone gives them a beating. They're the first to cry when their favourite trick to annoy others is nerfed. They're the first to cry when the game balance is changed so that pure griefing isn't as easy any more. They're the first to cry if they ever have to face any actual consequences for their actions.
Which is what an FFA game should be all about - choice and consequences. Unfortunately, the first thing that most FFA games do is remove the consequences that help keeping real life afloat - the personal, immediate ones. I would love to take a game like Mortal Online and open a server with permadeath. Just to test it.
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Ok, I forgot non-germans didn't follow the news.
It was more of the "or else..." kind. Where you don't say what you're going to do, only implying that they really, really don't wish to find out. You know, along the Godfather lines.
Finally!
Cooperative multiplayer has been ignored for too long by the games industry. There's one reason I played Borderlands at all, and that's cooperative multiplayer done well. I'm so glad Bethesda is finally going that direction. I've always wanted cooperative Oblivion. Well, one can hope... maybe Eldar Scrolls V... please?
I agree on that.
Let's talk again in 1500 or so years. That's how long it took them. If Scientology hasn't changed by then, I will agree that they are much worse. Until then, I merely consider them to be the latest version of the same religious fucked-up-ness.
Influence, strong words - yes, all true.
Giving them an ultimatum? Seriously, the only other group of people I know who use those words are terrorist.
Really? Free speech is the corner stone and necessary for spreading the Gospel to the unfaithful-yet-to-be-faithful.
Yes, if their desires are hindered by something, it's easy to be all for it. But as the famous words go, you're only a champion of free speech if you defend it even though you hate the specific content.
And on that, the catholic church, at least where I live, hasn't a very good track record. Now they are a far, far call from Scientology, etc. - but they're not shiny knights.
Moreover, last time anyone uttered any criticisms against the Catholic Church didn't wake up with a severed horse head in their bed, have their tongue cut out or have their lives turned upside down.
As I said: Every since torture and burning people at the stake became unfashionable.
since they don't burn people at the stake any more for heresy then I'd say that's a pretty good move towards valuing and allowing free speech.
Well... err... yes, you are right that it certainly is an improvement. Still, you know, not murdering people is an improvement for someone convicted of murder, but it's not something you'd put on your resume as a special ability, is it?
Sometimes its for good national security reasons which in the long run protect the public. Reasons which a lot of wannabe Robin Hoods won't know about and as a consequence can put agents or even the entire country at risk.
You mean like revealing the identity of active agents on national television? Oh, ups, that was a high-ranking government official, my bad.
You are, of course, assuming that the decision making inside government is done with the interest of some greater good in mind.
Unfortunately, as it is done by humans, it is very often done with personal interests in mind. Many of the documents leaked on Wikileaks are testament to that. The only reason they were kept secret was that they'd embarass someone, with "embarass" in the widest sense including "prove criminal war crimes".
Whistleblowers are an (unofficial) part of the checks & balances system. Every time they blow the whistle on something that should not have been kept secret, should have been revealed, and the fact that it was covered up shocks the public as much or more than the actual content, the system is set right again a little bit.
People say horrible and untrue thing about Catholics and the Catholic Church all the time, but they don't try and abuse the legal system to stop them, because they recognise the importance of freedom of speech.
Uh, what?
The catholic church isn't very keen on any freedoms, and freedom of speech doesn't rank highly on their value-list. However, ever since burning people at the stake has become unpopular, they've largely abstained from the crap. The other reason they don't use courts very often is that they have a massive dislike for accepting that someone else might have power they don't. For their generally take on the legal system, just look at the ultimatum(!) that a catholic bishop put to the ministry of justice in Germany a few weeks ago when it came to child abuse issues within the catholic church.
I don't know of many other institutions that attempt to bully a national government, you know?
More and more I get the impression this isn't the same Obama that was voted into office. Do people get their brains exchanged or something when they become president? Would explain the 2nd Bush (no brain available at that time).
Mod FAIL.
Insightful? Excuse me? According to parent, we should all be forgetting about all the other browsers and just go with IE, because it's there and people don't care.
Except, of course, that we all still remember how much IE kept the Web back when it was the de facto standard. Just the same way that Windos has kept computing in the stone age. Maybe people don't care about the browser, but they do care about the detrimental effects of monopoly products, even if they don't understand what is happening why.
Parent is essentially doubting one of the most fundamentally proven facts of economics, and is modded "insightful"? Is being on drugs a requirement for getting mod points today?
and this is news, why? Anyone who is surprised by that has been living under a rock and only heard about this "iPad" thing yesterday night after at least five beers. Even the guy who asked the question didn't really expect a different answer.
Then you should've remembered that dongle-based copy protection was cracked about 30 years ago. Is it time for a revival already? :-)
Been there, done that, cracked it. You weren't yet around when the C64 was the coolest kid in town, I figure?
Again, only to a very limited degree, and the less the more mature the product is.
Let's take another technological item, that is very more mature than a car. A key. Do you know how a lock works? Would it improve your handling of it if you did? There are at least a hundred similar technological inventions around you every day that you barely notice anymore. Cars are still fairly new, and not yet entirely mature, but even there, knowing how it works helps very little in actually driving it.
For computers, knowing something about them still helps. It makes you know why the machine is slow, and you can then take countermeasures or at least not make it worse by starting even more programs, for example. But again, the more it matures, the more this advantage disappears and "usage skill" and "maintainance skill" drift further apart.
Most user don't realize that it is an executable, and the blame for that lies 100% with Microsoft.
No, it's more like saying "people should know how to drive before taking their car on public roads"
No, it isn't.
They know how to "drive" - they can click those buttons, enter a URL, write an e-mail.
Their errors are not in the driving. They're in - to stay with the analogy - where they are driving to. Someone taught them how to drive, but nobody told them not to drive their nice Porsche into the Bronx.
You expect someone who drives a car to understand that they need to change the oil, fill up the gas, etc.
Uh, no?
I drive rental cars, don't own one myself (several reason, not important here why). I don't care about changing oil or even washing the damn thing, and if filling up the gas wouldn't be so expensive at the rental company, I'd let them do even that.
Lots of people who do own cars don't change oil, either. They bring it to a garage and let them do it.
And why shouldn't they? It's not as if being able to change the oil makes you a better driver.
We already do basic eduction.
But that is like driving school - it tells you which buttons to click and what a website is. It does not tell you to think. The equivalent to a drivers license is knowing how to use a browser and a mail program.
Spotting scams and spam goes way beyond driving school, into the "where to find the best gas" and "why women in short skirts are not standing at the edge of the road because they are handing out flyers for pop concerts" area.
That's stuff you can do with a car, not how to use a car. Same with Internet - learning how to use e-mail and learning to spot spam and scams is not the same thing.
Makes no difference.
Single point of failure == single point of contact. Do you really think they wouldn't be able to trace you on an open AP? For some driveby hacking, that's fine. But a botnet of any size? It's pretty trivial to trap you.
It's not crap in the OS that causes the vast majority of infections. It's crap in the user's heads.
Cheap cop-out.
You're in a mass-market. You can not expect the majority of users to know anything about computers. You can debate that point all you like, but that's how it is. Saying otherwise is like saying only car mechanics should be allowed to drive cars.
Even if the control machines loose DNS resolution, might not the botnet be configured to fall back to connecting to well known IP addresses to accept commands?
You'd have to store that IP somewhere, which means in the clients, which means it'll be found and either disabled or lead them right to your door.
If i was a botnet author, i would keep a list of my zombies
Which would leave a trace back to you, because that list has to be assembled somewhere.
And the news is what, exactly?
Unity 3D has had a browser plugin for its engine for several years now. (PC and Mac)
There are one or two others as well.
So the news is what, again?
Again, I agree with the caveat that real life is not linear nor simple.
People do suffer and accept setbacks in games. The magic is all in how it is packaged. If it were otherwise, 90% of the games currently on the market would fail, because they all give you setbacks in one way or the other.
So yes, people want a good night of progression. But that progress can contain partial setbacks, as long as the sum total is progress, people will be more or less happy. And that's what I've been saying all along.
mod parent up :-)
Indeed, the griefers are always the first to cry if someone gives them a beating. They're the first to cry when their favourite trick to annoy others is nerfed. They're the first to cry when the game balance is changed so that pure griefing isn't as easy any more. They're the first to cry if they ever have to face any actual consequences for their actions.
Which is what an FFA game should be all about - choice and consequences. Unfortunately, the first thing that most FFA games do is remove the consequences that help keeping real life afloat - the personal, immediate ones. I would love to take a game like Mortal Online and open a server with permadeath. Just to test it.