Not everyone is your enemy just because you disagree on how to accomplish a goal.
That's because the american people have been lied to about that goal.
I am with you the whole nine yards. The current US political and more importantly, economical, system absolutely needs these activities. It needs the wars, the crazy oversized military and intelligence community, it needs drone murders in foreign countries and strong-armed international treaties.
The dissonance is that the american public wants the results, but dislikes the methods.
However, for decades they've been told that their wealth is due to working hard and due to freedom and liberty and democracy and because they're great and the land of the free and home of the brave. And they've bought the lie hook, line and sinker.
The truth is that the US since WW2 enjoys a global hegemony and basically reaps the monopoly rent. And a huge part of its wealth and power depends on this position. If the US would fall to being just one player among many, much of its economy and wealth would be shattered. It's a house of cards, really. The USA leadership in many areas is all built upon each other, and if one card drops, everything comes crashing down.
So yes, all these crooks are actually defending america, that is true. It's just that they defend a different america than the people living there think they are in.
I didn't expect any different, It just means they had enough on enough people to effectively gut it before it was passed. We really knew that already...
I doubt the NSA would roll out there (almost certainly existing) politicians-blackmail program for something like this. The much easier solution is to - ignore the bill. It's not like they are new to doing what is clearly illegal, nor lying to congress.
I see this more in the vein of many other laws which "clarify" already existing rules (heck, last I checked the NSA is forbidden by charta to spy on americans, so why this even needed a law is far beyond me). My favorite satirical news magazine, which was often a better and more accurate read on political news than anything else, used to write this about laws like this: "It was already illegal, but now for real!"
WTF has our country become?
A bureaucracy to move money from the general public into the pockets of the super-rich. Not even the 1%, the 0.01% - the 1% are still 2.5 mio. people. We need to get back from that "the 1%" bullshit and return to the older and more accurate "the upper 10,000".
The vital question (yes, I'm too lazy to read the bill itself) is whether or not a generic reason is ok.
If you need to specify a reason for each case/individual, that would indeed be a hurdle, because it forces the NSA to actually recognize that individuals exist, not just one big pile of information they can access at will.
They don't know, that in the real world, people actually WANT advertising.
[citation required]
No, wait, I'll up the ante: Challenge: Find me someone who WANTS pop-up ads. I mean as a victim, not as someone selling them for a living. I'm quite sure that a gay jewish nazi is easier to find.
Cookie tracking means you're getting spammed with ads you DO want, instead of the ads you don't want.
Tell me which ads I do want, I dare you.
It's not difficult. Hint: One word.
Yes, that's right. That word is "none". If I want something, I know how to search. If I'm looking for inspiration, I know how to search. I watch movie trailers for fun, for example, and then write down which movies I like. There is exactly zero need to shove a trailer down my throat, and more likely than not if you try to, I'll not watch the movie because I don't like your attitude.
Here's how to get customers like me: Put your advertisement budget into making your product better.
inventing a new facet of the PC market â" one Microsoft alone is targeting
I wonder why...
Yes, nobody else ever thought about it, I'm sure that must be it. It's not like it could be that others did their due dilligence and figured out that this market simply doesn't exist.
Let's leave it here. Don't feel sorry for me, I feel sorry for you if you feel the need for personal attacks on people you don't even know. It's almost funny.
I didn't say I support the use of Flash. On the contrary, now that we have HTML5 video and SVG and CSS animations, flash should go the way of the Dodo bird, and fast.
If you've been using Firefox you've already voted for the communist party, so why complain now?
For the same reason I left the Pirate Party when it stopped being about civil liberties and started being about everyone's favorite pet-subject no matter if it has any relation with the core topics at all:
That I voted for a party yesterday doesn't mean I can't change my mind today if the party changes.
Yes, you could implement DRM through binary plugins before, but there's still a difference between that and explicitly supporting DRM. If you don't see that difference, I'm unable to explain it because to me that is just so absolutely clear.
Here, let me try: If I eat in your restaurant and I like your food, I'll come there to eat more often, and I don't care about your political views. But if you turn your restaurant into a political arena with posters and leaflets everywhere and the party colours all around and waiters dressed in uniforms, and I find the political views thus expressed distasteful, I may quite likely stop to come, even if the food hasn't changed.
You could argue you held those views before, and many of your political friends also came to eat - but there's still a vast difference between those two scenarios. And again I don't know how to explain it, because to me it is so utterly obvious.
Oh, damn. Definitions change over time, who would have thought!
Maybe I'm ahead of the curve because I actually *gasp* have russian friends and talk to them not just about the weather but about politics and literature and arts and philosophy. We can just leave it at this and meet again in 10 years and maybe one of us has changed his mind.
I don't care about being right. The point I originally made didn't even rest on whether or not you classify Russia as western or not, it was just a convenient shortcut.
So, whatever you say, here's your victory token, hang it on your wall or whatever.:-)
It refers to the western and eastern Roman empire.
Welcome to the 21st century. As I see, you've skipped the 20th, so you might want to read up on things like the "Cold War", which re-defined many things in Europe.
When speaking of the Russians in reference to the West... they are definitely Eastern.
Welcome to the real world as well. I have several close friends born and raised in Russia. I talk to Russians on Skype regularily. Culturally, they are definitely westernized. Spanish people are more different to me than russian people.
But in the end, I don't care about nitpicking. I put a footnote specifically to explain why I used the term this way, to avoid any confusion. If you want to redefine terms in your favorite way (and bringing Byzanz in there is sure a cute bit of nostalgia), you're welcome. I just won't care. In science and rational discourse, we explain the terms we use and then use them in the way we explained them. That way, we don't have to squabble over meanings.
The problem is that some nations want to enforce their rules on other nations.
Like, say, the USA?
It's funny how americans complain about everyone elses imperialism, and are completely blind to the many ways in which they aggressively export their own values.
and then regulate their own internet
There is no such thing as "their own Internet". That's like saying "their own atmosphere". Newsflash: Bits and air molecules don't give a fuck about political borders.
It goes without saying that the US is run badly these days.
The US? Have you opened your eyes recently? Most european countries have their worst governments since... idk, mad kings of the dark ages or something. They are either corrupt, incompetent, puppets or all three.
Russia may well be the best-run western(*) country these days. If you think badly about Putin, talk to some russian people about how it was before him. I did, and it was quite a learning experience.
(*) yes, I count Russia as western, by culture and economy. "west/east" doesn't make sense anymore, the alternatives to western culture are asian, african and south-american.
Again, I don't care at all whether it's a plugin, an extension, a core feature, a kernel extension or microcode embedded on the mainboard. There is no justifiable reason to support DRM, and by doing so the Mozilla Foundation has, in my eyes, violated its own charter which specifically talks about freedom and openness.
It's like hating communism but voting for the communist party because you want to fit in. Or hating republicans but voting for the Tea Party because all your neighbours do it.
No one is forcing you to use the DRM in Firefox. They are simply allowing it as an option.
The government doesn't take away your privacy by running the NSA. They are simply adding surveilance as an option.
The mafia doesn't force you to pay protection money. They are simply allowing you to continue running your business.
That mugger doesn't force you to hand over your wallet. He is simply offering you to give him your money, you know, as an option...
It's all whitewashing. DRM is evil and there is no good side to it. Allowing it allows it to spread and grow. If you want to know why RMS disapproves, read The Right To Read.
At least the man has a spine. Something we can't say about the Mozilla Foundation anymore, unfortunately.
But did the folks at Mozilla really have a choice when it comes adding DRM?
Of course they had. It's not like someone put a mind control spell on them.
That, exactly, is the point that the FSF is making and that some people complaining about the move make: That Free Software should differ from commercial software precisely because it can afford to make unpopular choices. It can do the right thing. And sometimes the right thing isn't the easy thing.
But that is the other side of freedom. Anyone can fight for freedom when the fight is easy. Think what you want about RMS and the FSF and their likes, but one thing you cannot accuse them of is taking the easy way out. They've always stuck to their principles, even when it wasn't easy.
And in the end, more often than not, it turned out they were right.
As far as I'm concerned, the only difference here is that regular advertisement attacks your mind (compare the old CIA PsyOps manuals with modern day advertisement psychology, you'll find quite a few similarities) while "malvertisement" attacks your computer.
I'd rather have my computer attacked. It can be firewalled or, if that fails, reinstalled.
nearly everyone who implements DRM says they are forced to do it, and this lack of accountability is how the practice sustains itself.
This, exactly.
Someone needs to stand up to the madness, and Firefox would have been a good candidate. They are not a 1% market share browser anymore. Their refusal to implement DRM could have forced Adobes hand.
Too bad that even the Free Software projects are now caught up in the web of market share and other business newspeak bullshit.
Except that VW, BMW, GM, and others are beginning to produce cars with these batteries.
Yes, but why? Are you sure they would continue to do so, at the current pace, if Tesla were to stop making their electric cars?
There is some demand for electric cars. But there is a specific demand for Tesla cars, because it's a brand. Buying a Tesla car makes you part of the revolution. Buying some electric VW makes you the owner of a geeky e-car thingy.
There have been a number of studies about these guys, the most revealing one showing that the average bonds manager is beaten by not only the random control (the researchers threw darts at the stock page of the New York Times to determine what to buy and sell), but also by the 9 year old daughter of the head researcher.
But even those of them who have a good track record, keep one thing in mind: Being a good film critic doesn't mean you'd be a good director. Being a good music journalist doesn't mean you would be a good musician. Being a good alpha tester doesn't mean you're a good programmer.
Sometimes skills overlap, but very often, these are seperate skills.
And understanding which stock to buy or sell at what time doesn't mean you can create a good business strategy or run a company. We've seen companies being run into the ground by manager and analyst types very often.
Good luck hunting down all of the queries in your app that need to change.
You've heard of database abstraction layers, yes?:-)
Here is how I and everyone sane I know develops: Write straighforward code and queries first. Then check where your performance bottlenecks are and optimize those, ignore the stuff where it doesn't matter if you could improve performance. In one current app, I have some queries that get executed on the order of 200,000 times whenever I make a run, and some that get executed ten times. Do I give a flying fuck if I could optimize the queries that get called 10 times?
So maybe some queries are a pain. I'm not a DB expert so my most complicated queries join over 10 or so tables with but a single sub-select. But even so, the pain is small because only the most frequently executed queries get the hand-optimisation treatment. Everything else I leave to the ORM because I know that on less frequently called queries, caching give me more performance gain than doing some SQL-fu.
There are tools to accomplish this (orms) but this is incredibly kludgy and a pain to maintain.
Really? Funny how I've never noticed. I've used several ORMs, recently Doctrine 2, and it's the opposite of pain.
I can have an easy to maintain database connection up in mongo immediately with zero impedance mismatch and rapid development. I can push "mongo" collection objects all the way up to the angular UI and back down to the database with almost zero coding. I was playing with a little app last night and wanted to add crud support. It took about 10 seconds to source the mongo driver and have the code complete.
There's also a mismatch between rapid development and production code. For my purposes, ORMs solve the gap perfectly. I don't know your use case, so I won't judge.
However, there is a big difference between prototypes and hacking up a quick app and doing something for serious production use. I see you understand that as well. I've just gone a step further - I prototype in Symfony2 with Doctrine2, because it means I don't have to completely re-write everything for production use.
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Not everyone is your enemy just because you disagree on how to accomplish a goal.
That's because the american people have been lied to about that goal.
I am with you the whole nine yards. The current US political and more importantly, economical, system absolutely needs these activities. It needs the wars, the crazy oversized military and intelligence community, it needs drone murders in foreign countries and strong-armed international treaties.
The dissonance is that the american public wants the results, but dislikes the methods.
However, for decades they've been told that their wealth is due to working hard and due to freedom and liberty and democracy and because they're great and the land of the free and home of the brave. And they've bought the lie hook, line and sinker.
The truth is that the US since WW2 enjoys a global hegemony and basically reaps the monopoly rent. And a huge part of its wealth and power depends on this position. If the US would fall to being just one player among many, much of its economy and wealth would be shattered. It's a house of cards, really. The USA leadership in many areas is all built upon each other, and if one card drops, everything comes crashing down.
So yes, all these crooks are actually defending america, that is true. It's just that they defend a different america than the people living there think they are in.
I didn't expect any different, It just means they had enough on enough people to effectively gut it before it was passed. We really knew that already...
I doubt the NSA would roll out there (almost certainly existing) politicians-blackmail program for something like this. The much easier solution is to - ignore the bill. It's not like they are new to doing what is clearly illegal, nor lying to congress.
I see this more in the vein of many other laws which "clarify" already existing rules (heck, last I checked the NSA is forbidden by charta to spy on americans, so why this even needed a law is far beyond me).
My favorite satirical news magazine, which was often a better and more accurate read on political news than anything else, used to write this about laws like this: "It was already illegal, but now for real!"
WTF has our country become?
A bureaucracy to move money from the general public into the pockets of the super-rich. Not even the 1%, the 0.01% - the 1% are still 2.5 mio. people. We need to get back from that "the 1%" bullshit and return to the older and more accurate "the upper 10,000".
The vital question (yes, I'm too lazy to read the bill itself) is whether or not a generic reason is ok.
If you need to specify a reason for each case/individual, that would indeed be a hurdle, because it forces the NSA to actually recognize that individuals exist, not just one big pile of information they can access at will.
They don't know, that in the real world, people actually WANT advertising.
[citation required]
No, wait, I'll up the ante: Challenge: Find me someone who WANTS pop-up ads. I mean as a victim, not as someone selling them for a living. I'm quite sure that a gay jewish nazi is easier to find.
Cookie tracking means you're getting spammed with ads you DO want, instead of the ads you don't want.
Tell me which ads I do want, I dare you.
It's not difficult. Hint: One word.
Yes, that's right. That word is "none".
If I want something, I know how to search. If I'm looking for inspiration, I know how to search. I watch movie trailers for fun, for example, and then write down which movies I like. There is exactly zero need to shove a trailer down my throat, and more likely than not if you try to, I'll not watch the movie because I don't like your attitude.
Here's how to get customers like me: Put your advertisement budget into making your product better.
inventing a new facet of the PC market â" one Microsoft alone is targeting
I wonder why...
Yes, nobody else ever thought about it, I'm sure that must be it. It's not like it could be that others did their due dilligence and figured out that this market simply doesn't exist.
Let's leave it here. Don't feel sorry for me, I feel sorry for you if you feel the need for personal attacks on people you don't even know. It's almost funny.
I didn't say I support the use of Flash. On the contrary, now that we have HTML5 video and SVG and CSS animations, flash should go the way of the Dodo bird, and fast.
However, one evil never justifies another evil.
If you've been using Firefox you've already voted for the communist party, so why complain now?
For the same reason I left the Pirate Party when it stopped being about civil liberties and started being about everyone's favorite pet-subject no matter if it has any relation with the core topics at all:
That I voted for a party yesterday doesn't mean I can't change my mind today if the party changes.
Yes, you could implement DRM through binary plugins before, but there's still a difference between that and explicitly supporting DRM. If you don't see that difference, I'm unable to explain it because to me that is just so absolutely clear.
Here, let me try: If I eat in your restaurant and I like your food, I'll come there to eat more often, and I don't care about your political views. But if you turn your restaurant into a political arena with posters and leaflets everywhere and the party colours all around and waiters dressed in uniforms, and I find the political views thus expressed distasteful, I may quite likely stop to come, even if the food hasn't changed.
You could argue you held those views before, and many of your political friends also came to eat - but there's still a vast difference between those two scenarios. And again I don't know how to explain it, because to me it is so utterly obvious.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Oh, damn. Definitions change over time, who would have thought!
Maybe I'm ahead of the curve because I actually *gasp* have russian friends and talk to them not just about the weather but about politics and literature and arts and philosophy. We can just leave it at this and meet again in 10 years and maybe one of us has changed his mind.
I don't care about being right. The point I originally made didn't even rest on whether or not you classify Russia as western or not, it was just a convenient shortcut.
So, whatever you say, here's your victory token, hang it on your wall or whatever. :-)
It refers to the western and eastern Roman empire.
Welcome to the 21st century. As I see, you've skipped the 20th, so you might want to read up on things like the "Cold War", which re-defined many things in Europe.
When speaking of the Russians in reference to the West... they are definitely Eastern.
Welcome to the real world as well. I have several close friends born and raised in Russia. I talk to Russians on Skype regularily. Culturally, they are definitely westernized. Spanish people are more different to me than russian people.
But in the end, I don't care about nitpicking. I put a footnote specifically to explain why I used the term this way, to avoid any confusion. If you want to redefine terms in your favorite way (and bringing Byzanz in there is sure a cute bit of nostalgia), you're welcome. I just won't care. In science and rational discourse, we explain the terms we use and then use them in the way we explained them. That way, we don't have to squabble over meanings.
Never excuse one bad thing with another bad thing.
The problem is that some nations want to enforce their rules on other nations.
Like, say, the USA?
It's funny how americans complain about everyone elses imperialism, and are completely blind to the many ways in which they aggressively export their own values.
and then regulate their own internet
There is no such thing as "their own Internet". That's like saying "their own atmosphere". Newsflash: Bits and air molecules don't give a fuck about political borders.
It goes without saying that the US is run badly these days.
The US? Have you opened your eyes recently? Most european countries have their worst governments since... idk, mad kings of the dark ages or something. They are either corrupt, incompetent, puppets or all three.
Russia may well be the best-run western(*) country these days. If you think badly about Putin, talk to some russian people about how it was before him. I did, and it was quite a learning experience.
(*) yes, I count Russia as western, by culture and economy. "west/east" doesn't make sense anymore, the alternatives to western culture are asian, african and south-american.
Again, I don't care at all whether it's a plugin, an extension, a core feature, a kernel extension or microcode embedded on the mainboard. There is no justifiable reason to support DRM, and by doing so the Mozilla Foundation has, in my eyes, violated its own charter which specifically talks about freedom and openness.
It's like hating communism but voting for the communist party because you want to fit in. Or hating republicans but voting for the Tea Party because all your neighbours do it.
No, we don't. We simply understand where bad things start and that it is easiest to quench them at the source.
No one is forcing you to use the DRM in Firefox. They are simply allowing it as an option.
The government doesn't take away your privacy by running the NSA. They are simply adding surveilance as an option.
The mafia doesn't force you to pay protection money. They are simply allowing you to continue running your business.
That mugger doesn't force you to hand over your wallet. He is simply offering you to give him your money, you know, as an option...
It's all whitewashing. DRM is evil and there is no good side to it. Allowing it allows it to spread and grow. If you want to know why RMS disapproves, read The Right To Read.
At least the man has a spine. Something we can't say about the Mozilla Foundation anymore, unfortunately.
But did the folks at Mozilla really have a choice when it comes adding DRM?
Of course they had. It's not like someone put a mind control spell on them.
That, exactly, is the point that the FSF is making and that some people complaining about the move make: That Free Software should differ from commercial software precisely because it can afford to make unpopular choices. It can do the right thing. And sometimes the right thing isn't the easy thing.
But that is the other side of freedom. Anyone can fight for freedom when the fight is easy. Think what you want about RMS and the FSF and their likes, but one thing you cannot accuse them of is taking the easy way out. They've always stuck to their principles, even when it wasn't easy.
And in the end, more often than not, it turned out they were right.
I thought we were past the days of IE6!
Yes, but so are the attackers.
There is non-malicious advertising?
As far as I'm concerned, the only difference here is that regular advertisement attacks your mind (compare the old CIA PsyOps manuals with modern day advertisement psychology, you'll find quite a few similarities) while "malvertisement" attacks your computer.
I'd rather have my computer attacked. It can be firewalled or, if that fails, reinstalled.
nearly everyone who implements DRM says they are forced to do it, and this lack of accountability is how the practice sustains itself.
This, exactly.
Someone needs to stand up to the madness, and Firefox would have been a good candidate. They are not a 1% market share browser anymore. Their refusal to implement DRM could have forced Adobes hand.
Too bad that even the Free Software projects are now caught up in the web of market share and other business newspeak bullshit.
Except that VW, BMW, GM, and others are beginning to produce cars with these batteries.
Yes, but why? Are you sure they would continue to do so, at the current pace, if Tesla were to stop making their electric cars?
There is some demand for electric cars. But there is a specific demand for Tesla cars, because it's a brand. Buying a Tesla car makes you part of the revolution. Buying some electric VW makes you the owner of a geeky e-car thingy.
There have been a number of studies about these guys, the most revealing one showing that the average bonds manager is beaten by not only the random control (the researchers threw darts at the stock page of the New York Times to determine what to buy and sell), but also by the 9 year old daughter of the head researcher.
But even those of them who have a good track record, keep one thing in mind: Being a good film critic doesn't mean you'd be a good director. Being a good music journalist doesn't mean you would be a good musician. Being a good alpha tester doesn't mean you're a good programmer.
Sometimes skills overlap, but very often, these are seperate skills.
And understanding which stock to buy or sell at what time doesn't mean you can create a good business strategy or run a company. We've seen companies being run into the ground by manager and analyst types very often.
Good luck hunting down all of the queries in your app that need to change.
You've heard of database abstraction layers, yes? :-)
Here is how I and everyone sane I know develops: Write straighforward code and queries first. Then check where your performance bottlenecks are and optimize those, ignore the stuff where it doesn't matter if you could improve performance. In one current app, I have some queries that get executed on the order of 200,000 times whenever I make a run, and some that get executed ten times. Do I give a flying fuck if I could optimize the queries that get called 10 times?
So maybe some queries are a pain. I'm not a DB expert so my most complicated queries join over 10 or so tables with but a single sub-select. But even so, the pain is small because only the most frequently executed queries get the hand-optimisation treatment. Everything else I leave to the ORM because I know that on less frequently called queries, caching give me more performance gain than doing some SQL-fu.
There are tools to accomplish this (orms) but this is incredibly kludgy and a pain to maintain.
Really? Funny how I've never noticed. I've used several ORMs, recently Doctrine 2, and it's the opposite of pain.
I can have an easy to maintain database connection up in mongo immediately with zero impedance mismatch and rapid development. I can push "mongo" collection objects all the way up to the angular UI and back down to the database with almost zero coding. I was playing with a little app last night and wanted to add crud support. It took about 10 seconds to source the mongo driver and have the code complete.
There's also a mismatch between rapid development and production code. For my purposes, ORMs solve the gap perfectly. I don't know your use case, so I won't judge.
However, there is a big difference between prototypes and hacking up a quick app and doing something for serious production use. I see you understand that as well. I've just gone a step further - I prototype in Symfony2 with Doctrine2, because it means I don't have to completely re-write everything for production use.