see http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/intermed ia/index.html (oracle)
This document was written in 2002 (and that version is as old too)
I can remember some sales guy saying "You can look for a couch that's like this one. But blue." So that means it should do a bit more than just color patches..
and then there is Google images..
So adding The Whole Universe would be euh 'tricky' ?
Still apparently there are only 3 cows on mars according to another/. article so we'll be fine with tcp/ip for now.
We can as, far as i'm concerned, also not bother.
I am pretty sure Alice wins in a blind intelligence test with a cow anyway.
Prob'bly even when you DO see her and the cows.
In fact i think every one on/. allready has a chosen a relationship with a computer..
Allthough i don't want to insult the slashdot population minority that lives with a cow..
This is not my idea, i read about it here i think. A while back anyway.I tried to find the link but couldn't so i didn't use it. Maybe someone else still has it?
Still : I am not giving up yet (where would be the fun?)
It's mail. in order to send mail i assume:
- Evil Spammer uses the internet and the mailport to send mail.
- The message I figure is the same or a small set of different ones.
- Evil Spammer does not directly connect to end users email server, but is connected through 1 ISP of some sort.
There are two possible ISP 's in this set and the difference:
Good ISP (Gisp) and Bad ISP (Bisp)
Good doesn't like spam, Bad does not care.But both Gisp an Bisp are connected to the internet through 1 another "ISP" (which, for this story, will be a good backbone,GBB)
My idea is to use some sort of wrapper service around smtp on the GISP _and_ GBB side.
The wrapper would check the CRC of a message body and keep it in a small table for a while. The table has a CRC and a "pauze until time" PIT. If the message is send again before PIT is reached, PIT becomes higher, and mail goes to a dugout to wait till it's PIT to be send through to smtp from the wrapper service. They could also check for viruses but that is another story.
If complaints are received mail could be deleted after investigation and the rest just not send and a mail could be send with a warning to Evil Spammer and GISP could be monitoring the account somewhat more closely.
In case of GISP, on the GBB side there will be a initial wait build up within the first minute or so in case of GISP, but then there will not have been a message for PIT, (because GISP keeps it) so the buildup will not occur there.
In case of BISP, the wrapper service will just function a level higher on the GBB level, and spam will be stopped there, and GBB should monitor BISP somewhat more closely.
As far as i can see this would work great with ISP. and well with GBB.
It would loose out in effectiveness somewhat if you do it after the the split to separate to different enduser isp's, but it would still work.
It takes about 400 emails for it to take a day and a typical enduser ISP (EISP) also receives the same spam a 1000 times i would imagine, but IAMNAI (I am not an ISP). A day seems enough time to take action and if the EISP receives a thousand of the same spamrun message that would still remove 600 (=the majority)
So i still think it could work, just not if you run your own really small mailserver, where you don't get the spam volume.
A problem i do see is legitimate mailing lists, but maybe they should use usenet or rss or so.
I don't think blacklisting should be the standard solution. it does not work very well and is to much of a weapon, which means that you allow someone else to police you. I don't like giving my rights to someone else very much. There is too much change of blackmailing and abuse and this is mentioned quite often in this thread.
What i don't get is that there seems to me to be such a simple, elegant solution to this whole spam thing.
Make mail wait.
If you want to send 1 mail to 1 person it takes 1 second.
Every other person you want to send this same mail to takes a second longer.
Send 1 mail to 10 people and it wil take
1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10= 55 seconds so roughly 1 minute.
No problem. Who cares.
Send 1 mail to 1000 people it will take about a week.
Instant end to spam.
And on the off chance you want to invite everyone to your wedding via email: ok. Uncle Ziggy will be miffed he gets the invitation so much later then Aunt Anne, but it will get there.
You can talk about the figures of course.
I don't know what fair use of email should be.
I don't get why all the ISP's that say they hate spam so much never tought of trickling the mail
like this. I'm pretty sure it will work, if the isp's and mayor mailrouters would do this.
Won't cost too much cpu crc' ing and pauzing emails i think.
Will save a hell of a lot of bandwidth and annoyance.
What i don't really get is why don't we use those plants to make more oil by putting them in empty oil wells and wait a zillion years?
We get the oil out. Can't we get the liquified plants or something back in?
This oil making process happened naturally and sortof accidentally as far as i get it so it can't be THAT difficult?
Or was oil the dinosaurs solution to this problem and were they way smarter ?
Slashdot Mirror
seems like an awfully expensive way to get cute videos of your pets.
see http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/intermed ia/index.html (oracle)
This document was written in 2002 (and that version is as old too)
I can remember some sales guy saying "You can look for a couch that's like this one. But blue."
So that means it should do a bit more than just color patches..
and then there is Google images..
So adding The Whole Universe would be euh 'tricky' ? /. article so we'll be fine with tcp/ip for now. /. allready has a chosen a relationship with a computer..
Still apparently there are only 3 cows on mars according to another
We can as, far as i'm concerned, also not bother.
I am pretty sure Alice wins in a blind intelligence test with a cow anyway.
Prob'bly even when you DO see her and the cows.
In fact i think every one on
Allthough i don't want to insult the slashdot population minority that lives with a cow..
Hi,
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:
very cool link.
This is not my idea, i read about it here i think.
A while back anyway.I tried to find the link but couldn't so i didn't use it. Maybe someone else still has it?
Still : I am not giving up yet (where would be the fun?)
It's mail. in order to send mail i assume:
- Evil Spammer uses the internet and the mailport to send mail
- The message I figure is the same or a small set of different ones.
- Evil Spammer does not directly connect to end users email server, but is connected through 1 ISP of some sort.
There are two possible ISP 's in this set and the difference
Good ISP (Gisp) and Bad ISP (Bisp)
Good doesn't like spam, Bad does not care.But both Gisp an Bisp are connected to the internet through 1 another "ISP" (which, for this story, will be a good backbone,GBB)
My idea is to use some sort of wrapper service around smtp on the GISP _and_ GBB side.
The wrapper would check the CRC of a message body and keep it in a small table for a while. The table has a CRC and a "pauze until time" PIT. If the message is send again before PIT is reached, PIT becomes higher, and mail goes to a dugout to wait till it's PIT to be send through to smtp from the wrapper service. They could also check for viruses but that is another story.
If complaints are received mail could be deleted after investigation and the rest just not send and a mail could be send with a warning to Evil Spammer and GISP could be monitoring the account somewhat more closely.
In case of GISP, on the GBB side there will be a initial wait build up within the first minute or so in case of GISP, but then there will not have been a message for PIT, (because GISP keeps it) so the buildup will not occur there.
In case of BISP, the wrapper service will just function a level higher on the GBB level, and spam will be stopped there, and GBB should monitor BISP somewhat more closely.
As far as i can see this would work great with ISP. and well with GBB.
It would loose out in effectiveness somewhat if you do it after the the split to separate to different enduser isp's, but it would still work.
It takes about 400 emails for it to take a day and a typical enduser ISP (EISP) also receives the same spam a 1000 times i would imagine, but IAMNAI (I am not an ISP). A day seems enough time to take action and if the EISP receives a thousand of the same spamrun message that would still remove 600 (=the majority)
So i still think it could work, just not if you run your own really small mailserver, where you don't get the spam volume.
A problem i do see is legitimate mailing lists, but maybe they should use usenet or rss or so.
What's your view?
Baziel
I don't think blacklisting should be the standard solution. it does not work very well and is to much of a weapon, which means that you allow someone else to police you. I don't like giving my rights to someone else very much. There is too much change of blackmailing and abuse and this is mentioned quite often in this thread.
What i don't get is that there seems to me to be such a simple, elegant solution to this whole spam thing.
Make mail wait.
If you want to send 1 mail to 1 person it takes 1 second.
Every other person you want to send this same mail to takes a second longer.
Send 1 mail to 10 people and it wil take 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10= 55 seconds so roughly 1 minute.
No problem. Who cares.
Send 1 mail to 1000 people it will take about a week.
Instant end to spam.
And on the off chance you want to invite everyone to your wedding via email: ok. Uncle Ziggy will be miffed he gets the invitation so much later then Aunt Anne, but it will get there.
You can talk about the figures of course. I don't know what fair use of email should be.
I don't get why all the ISP's that say they hate spam so much never tought of trickling the mail like this. I'm pretty sure it will work, if the isp's and mayor mailrouters would do this.
Won't cost too much cpu crc' ing and pauzing emails i think.
Will save a hell of a lot of bandwidth and annoyance.
What i don't really get is why don't we use those plants to make more oil by putting them in empty oil wells and wait a zillion years? We get the oil out. Can't we get the liquified plants or something back in? This oil making process happened naturally and sortof accidentally as far as i get it so it can't be THAT difficult? Or was oil the dinosaurs solution to this problem and were they way smarter ?