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Searching by Image Instead of Keywords

Content based image retrieval (CBIR), the technique to search for images not by keywords, but by comparing features of the images themselves has been the focus of much research ever since the web emerged. Consider for instance adding CBIR to Google Images, where you would be able to search for images similar to a query image instead of using keywords. A research project at Penn State University has recently been applied to the biggest aviation photo database in the world with close to 800,000 images. You can search for images similar to a photo already in their database (click "View similar photos") or submit your own query image. Some queries generate better results than others but CBIR is certainly here to stay and will be standard in many image applications of the future.

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  1. Think of the greatness to society! by qewl · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait to put a nipple into it!

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    1. Re:Think of the greatness to society! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it that the two people with that bunny in their sigs are referring to nipples?

      See parent and http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=148396&cid=124 37445

    2. Re:Think of the greatness to society! by rpcxdr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ehm - not no be too much of a geek, but here are some airplanes that (don't) look like the Slashdot logo...

      http://www.airliners.net/similarity/index.php?imag e_url=http://images.slashdot.org/title.gif

      BTW, if you want to post other searches, this URL format seems to work.

    3. Re:Think of the greatness to society! by alexhohio · · Score: 0

      Think about how great this tech will be when combined with facial recognition software- when you can put a pic in and find every pic of that person... I am sure that I am in the background of some of those pics people post on their own websites, and I think it would be a real hoot to traipse down memory lane...

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    4. Re:Think of the greatness to society! by lildogie · · Score: 1

      Bisexual, eh?

  2. wtf? by merpal · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I don't understand how this is relevant to slashdot...

    If this technology has been in development for a long time, why hasn't google taken the ball and run with it?

    1. Re:wtf? by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because it still has problems - you'll note that the pictures seem to be compared simply based on color similarity. That's the same thing imgSeek does (a great program for sorting and searching your photos) on photo searches. It works wonderfully if you're searching a very limited picture subset (say, airplanes), but if you search a wide variety of pictures, the results can be quite amusing.

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    2. Re:wtf? by Xcott+Craver · · Score: 1
      You also have the opposite problem with color histograms: two very similar images, even two images taken of the same static scene, seconds apart, can have substantially different color histograms.

      I used to do research in CBIR, and in my image library I had 5 photos of a christmas tree. By any efficient metric, one of them was always way far away from the others.

      Xcott

    3. Re:wtf? by merpal · · Score: 1, Funny

      don't mod me as redundant you niggers

    4. Re:wtf? by chefmonkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Google actually did take this technology and try it. The first version of their image search had a "find similar" link next to every image. These tended to work okay at first (they weren't great, but you usually got enough photos back that you could visually scan them and find something of interest that was related to the original image). After a few months, for some reason, the "find similar" links started returning increasingly nonsensical results. After it degenerated to the point of near uselessness, they took the "find similar" link away from the image search results. I expected it to turn up again once they got the kinks worked out, but apparently they just decided to stop working on it.

    5. Re:wtf? by asadsalm · · Score: 1

      Poster is very right about the small subset. We might be able to see very similar plane pictures, because the subset is so small, and even in this small subset, we cannot find, say similar pictures of helicopters. The final searching algorithm should be a combination of CBIRS and metadata (to subset the images).

    6. Re:wtf? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      I could be wrong, but I got the impression that Imgseek uses the position as well. I have tried running it on a collection of photos from a concert, and it is very good at returning those with the stage in the centre. Then again, the object in the centre can effect the colour of everything on most cameras.

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    7. Re:wtf? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      The second photo returned from this Imgseek search uses significantly different colours, but similar layout.

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    8. Re:wtf? by bcmm · · Score: 1

      Querying for similar images on a collection with 5215 unrelated images.
      Search for yellow flowers gets pink flowers. The layout must be being analysed, surely?

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  3. Arm jokes... by sharkey · · Score: 2, Funny

    and set for goatse!

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    1. Re:Arm jokes... by Trejkaz · · Score: 0

      Actually on a serious note, has anyone actually tried drawing a guy bent over and stretching his anus, and made sure it found the right image? I'm genuinely curious.

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    2. Re:Arm jokes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's what the article said

  4. Location? by poopdeville · · Score: 4, Funny

    What an awful beach.

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    1. Re:Location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. No boobies.

    2. Re:Location? by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1
      Philipsburg / St. Maarten - Princess Juliana (SXM / TNCM)

      It says where just below the picture.

    3. Re:Location? by PenguinBoyDave · · Score: 0

      Pucker Factor #9...and rising!

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    4. Re:Location? by jmb-d · · Score: 1

      Oh My ${deity}, the noise must be horrific! My ears are hurting just from *looking* at that picture.

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    5. Re:Location? by Knnniggit · · Score: 1

      What makes it even funnier is that, aside from a few people, no one is even acknowledging it. Nothing out of the ordinary. They've gotta have pretty low standards.

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    6. Re:Location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny how it doesnt cast a shadow - like everything else!!

    7. Re:Location? by agraupe · · Score: 1
      Let me clear some things up:

      1) These photos are not digitally edited. This beach and airport is real.

      2) It is not an awful beach; it is the holy grail of aircraft spotting, and a place that most aviation enthusiasts (myself included) would like to visit someday

      3) If you say 9/11 in relation to this subject, such as, "OMG! it's unsafe there will be terrorisms LOLZ", I will be forced to kill you.

    8. Re:Location? by poopdeville · · Score: 1

      Point-by-point reply:

      1) Never thought otherwise.

      2) Presumably, the aircraft are the reason you want to visit this location. It's certainly not the sand and water. In short, I stand by my assessment.

      3) I didn't say it, but somebody else did in reply to my post. ;-)

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    9. Re:Location? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      1. Don't be ridiculous. When you take a picture of a very fast moving object, you get a blurred picture. Unless the plane was hovering in mid-air, that photograph is impossible.

      2. Have you ever been under a plane? It's very very loud. A 'holy grail', where you're deafened every 10 minutes, I don't think so. Also plane-spotters are worse than train-spotters. They all look the same anyway.

      3. If I wanted to cause a terrorist atrocity, that's the beach I'd go to. A simple rocket-launcher, in combination with one of those new 500+ passenger Airbus things, and you've got a disaster. Anyone could hit the target at that range, you could fill the beach with terrorists and could shoot down planes for hours before you're stopped. The planes would HAVE to attempt to land, they wouldn't have enough fuel to go anywhere else.

    10. Re:Location? by DennyK · · Score: 1

      1. Of course, you're right, it's simply not possible to take a clear picture of a fast-moving object like, say, a race car, an airplane, or a bullet.

      2. When landing, their engines will be throttled back, and therefore much quieter than usual. Also, ever heard of earplugs?

      3. First you have to get the terrorists and their rocket launchers TO the beach without being noticed. Might be kind of hard considering it's a popular tourist spot on a small island in the middle of the Caribbean.

    11. Re:Location? by drsquare · · Score: 1

      1. A camera works by opening a shutter and allowing lens onto some film. Whilst the shutter is open, the plane is moving,

      2. Have you ever been near an airport? It's not fucking quiet. Wear earplugs? Must be great having to wear earplugs 24/7. Do you realise those things hurt your ears?

      3. Yeah, because terrorists are all dark-skinned and wear turbans and have names like Al-Sharaqa Jazeirain. You can see them a mile off. You can probably recognise them from a distance because they're the ones firing the machine guns into the air and yodelling.

    12. Re:Location? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh c'mon, it's Air France. Who cares?

  5. Wow by themoodykid · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was just thinking about this the other day. I think content-based image search is one of the Next Big Things. Cameras are so ubquitous now (for better or worse), but having to rely on metadata to give meaning to images requires lots of effort up front.

    It will be interesting if we ever get to a stage where we can just search for a random object (or person) in a database of photos. Then you could take pictures of everything with an always-on camera and if you need to find where you put your car keys, just do a search.

    1. Re:Wow by mboverload · · Score: 1

      But shit, this REALLY works! It's amazing.

    2. Re:Wow by theguyfromsaturn · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you are only interested in searching for images on your own computer, have a look at imgSeek. http://imgseek.python-hosting.com/

      It's been around for some time now. You can not only use an existing image to search, but also do a rough sketch. Check the screenshots:

      Nice complement to what has been presented in this article.

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    3. Re:Wow by Berzelius · · Score: 1

      There already is imgSeek (GPL):
      http://imgseek.python-hosting.com/

    4. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The problem isn't as simple as you think. Humans visualize things as 3d objects. If you were to look for a key in a picture, you know what it looks like in multiple dimensions. You then look at the picture, translating objects from 2D to see if it matches said key.

      To solve this, multiple viewpoint cameras (that will get a better approximation of the object boundaries) and cameras that take pictures of objects from multiple dimensions will need to be used.

      Until then, you can come up with a number of tricks that will find similar pictures, often by color or intensity.

    5. Re:Wow by flyingsquid · · Score: 1
      But shit, this REALLY works! It's amazing.

      Dunno about that. Here's what I get after clicking on a picture of an A-10 Warthog: A Tornado, a 767, a 747, A Fokker F-7 turboprop, a Dassault Falcon business jet, a Luftwaffe A310, a Harrier, an F-18 Hornet, another Tornado, a Lockheed P3 Orion sub hunter, a Sikorsky Super Stallion helicopter, a Concorde... and soforth. No other A-10s. Hard to think of a more diverse crop of aircraft.

      Most of these aircraft are airborne but a couple are on the ground. If I click on a picture of an A-10 on the tarmac I get one other picture of a Warthog, and a bunch of random planes on the ground. Now, if I just click "search" and type in "warthog" I get 14 pictures... every single one of which contains an ass-kicking A-10 Warthog tankbuster.

      The concept seems promising but this particular implementation seems virtually useless.

    6. Re:Wow by jaylene_slide · · Score: 1

      What I'd like to see is cameras with CBIF built-in, tagging photos with relevant metadata, largely so that it need not be entered by hand.

      It's likely that an individual camera's database won't be that extensive, perhaps due to the lack of adequate storage space, but a hybrid system which also takes advantage of a constantly refined online database could further refine a camera's less-specific tags.

      Sort of like a CDDB for photos.

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    7. Re:Wow by david.heyman · · Score: 1

      Same here. I put in a few pictures from the Israel Air Force Museum and didn't get anything similar. In fact putting in one plane I got a picture of a helicopter as one of the supposed similarities. Just typing in the names of the planes in the search engine did give me the actual pictures from the Israel Air Force Museum website.

  6. Uses in stomping out child pornography by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How long until this is employed by the FBI to attempt to discover illegal images on Usenet etc?

    More importantly, how many agents will jump at the begruding task of sorting through the thousands of false-positives?

  7. This soo not works ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I just tried to search with a photo of my keys... It came out without a valid response !

    Next up : Mission remote control.

  8. Brilliant! by kid_wonder · · Score: 0

    This that I have an image to search with...which is why I am searching for images to begin with - to find an image.

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    1. Re:Brilliant! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ted: "Whoah."

    2. Re:Brilliant! by Adhemar · · Score: 1

      An open-source (GPL v 2) Content Based Image Retrieval program already exists: imgSeek .

      To search a photo, you don't need a similar photo, simply draw a rough sketch. See this screenshot.

    3. Re:Brilliant! by Segway+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Because what you can do is draw a horrible representation of the photo you want, say for arguments sake in Paint, which is very vauge. You want a photo that is like this.

      I tried it with a horribly drawn plane flying into the sunset (A vauge shilouette of a plane, and orange background with yellow circle on it). Admittadly not all of the images were right, but a lot of them were exactly what I wanted to see.

      Give it a shot, I think you'll be surprised.

  9. So easily Subtroverted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Green money says if this technology were rolled out in force, pr0n sites would find a way to hijack it.

    1. Re:So easily Subtroverted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hijack it? hell this would be the primary use and fuel the development of the technology.
      all good tech starts with pr0n, I pitty the fool who dont know that.

  10. It works! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I took a photo of me giving my webcam The Finger and uploaded it. The first thing that came up was a picture of George W. Bush! I guess it's a match because we are both good at giving the entire world The Finger.

  11. Dupe-tastic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    omg a dupe from last year

  12. They would need major manpower to maintain this db by guardiangod · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is just asking for trouble. As most of you would probably imagine, some self-proclaim "comdeian" would post either porn pictures, or pictures that resembles porn body position.

    They would need a team of outsource Indian workers to go through each picture one by one!

    I am not Indian but...can I apply for the image filtering job?
    I said this first, I should get the job ;) .

  13. Top Search by daishin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Something with two circles and dots in the middle of each circle.

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    1. Re:Top Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You'll get a propeller.

    2. Re:Top Search by kryogen1x · · Score: 1

      like this: (.)(.)?

    3. Re:Top Search by falzer · · Score: 1

      Axe wound.

    4. Re:Top Search by qewl · · Score: 1

      Whoa, mad props to the guy who's not only the first to copy my sig (as far as I know), but ALSO unintentionally dupe my comment! *added to friends list!*

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    5. Re:Top Search by flyingsquid · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Ya know I thought I was getting some kinda strange results when I put in a photo of a Supermarine Spitfire with an RAF circle-in-a-circle marking on each wing...

    6. Re:Top Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Something with two circles and dots in the middle of each circle.

      Wow, she sure has beautiful... eyes?

    7. Re:Top Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dots? So this would be okay with you: (..)(.:) ?

    8. Re:Top Search by qewl · · Score: 1

      Dots? So this would be okay with you: (..)(.:) ?

      Hey, if that's what you're into. They always say there's someone for everyone!

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    9. Re:Top Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Hey, if that's what you're into. They always say there's someone for everyone!

      Maybe so, but I haven't found it yet... (o)(o)(o)

      BTW, here's goatse: ( ==~---O---~== )

    10. Re:Top Search by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll bet he would like this girl.

  14. security issues by green+pizza · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Forget slashdotting Airliners.net, how long before the TSA shuts down that website? The trainspotting hobby has already died off following terrorism fears, I can't help but think that other enthusiast sites like Airliners.net will be next.

    1. Re:security issues by avalys · · Score: 1

      Maybe trainspotting has died down because all you get on Google now are results for that wretched movie.

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    2. Re:security issues by oldwolf13 · · Score: 1

      Now I've never seen trainspotting, but I find that this happenns with a lot of movies/topics. Trying to filter through reviews, dvd sales, video games, etc. when trying to find info on the subject. (ie: I noticed this first when "The Mothman Prophecies" first came out and I wanted to know more about these supposed mothmen.

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    3. Re:security issues by michaelhood · · Score: 1

      We always tell people not to mod down improper observations, so I'm going to try to practice what I preach so to speak.

      On what grounds could the TSA squelch photographers and their right to share their creative works (which is their livelihood)?

    4. Re:security issues by hawaiian717 · · Score: 1
      The TSA would probably have some difficulty shutting down Airliners.net, seeing as it's in Sweden. Furthermore, airliner photography is perfectly legal in the US, and even TSA reps have said so. Usually the only people with a problem with it are the rent-a-cops.

      Trainspotting seems to still be around as well, see http://www.railpictures.net/.

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    5. Re:security issues by coopex · · Score: 1

      Or maybe trainspotting died when they realized it was more fun to shoot up than to NOTE THE FUCKING ARRIVAL TIMES OF TRAINS!

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  15. how long will it take by scenestar · · Score: 0

    before some troll adds goatse or some spammer adding random advertisements.

    for the love of god think of the children

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  16. The ever popular 'Breast' option... by farmkid · · Score: 1

    Hmmm...

    +"34b"

    -"puffy" ... Profit! (Oops, or something, grabbing for a Kleenex)

  17. I tried something like this before. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I found I just couldn't type images as easily as I could words so I went back to using google.

  18. Similar images by iMaple · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some Applications of Our Research
    1. Airliners.net
    A site with almost 1,000,000 aviation images.


    Wow !!! I tested their Sample search and all the results were aeroplane photos !!! Ok, ok the site only has airplanes but still ..:)

    On a more serious note the alogorithms seem to look for similatity in the colors and lighting rather than the subjects (for example it shows the interior of a cabin in photos similar to a whole plane in the sky. To really see its effectiveness we need to test in in the real world (google images) . The 'artisticly revealing' photo you always liked ... now you should be able get similar pr0n (^H^H^H^H I mean art) with these algorithms

    1. Re:Similar images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes , I noticed that too the images are just scanned for color similarity , no big deal. There is already software for this sort of things (imgSeek or something similar)

    2. Re:Similar images by muellerr1 · · Score: 1

      It's not just passing similarity. I plugged in that photo of the plane landing on the beach, and got every other photo of that beach in the db. The noise filter must be set kind of low, because I can't figure out how the cow balloon photo is similar.

  19. Old photos by green+pizza · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Those must be old photos. There is no way that beach would be open to the public in the post 9/11 world.

    1. Re:Old photos by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      Here's one taken there about 6 weeks ago.

    2. Re:Old photos by znaps · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is, I was on it in December.

      It's an amazingly scary experience to sit there at night when a large plane is landing.

    3. Re:Old photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      photo taken: Netherlands Antilles, February 18, 2002

    4. Re:Old photos by stuffman64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, it still happens.

      In fact, there is a bar located right in the flight path of the runway. I just met a guy who came back from there, and said it's quite interesting to have planes landing so close to you.

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    5. Re:Old photos by eander315 · · Score: 2, Informative
      They still fly that approach every day. Here's a picture taken this year from the same beach on St Maarten (SXM). That airport is famous for it's low approach. That's a nude beach, by the way, and there are many photos to prove it if you dig around airliners.net. From Wikipedia:

      "The island is served by many major airlines that bring in large jets, including Boeing 747s, carrying tourists from across the world on a daily basis. This fuels the island's largest revenue source, tourism. The airport is famous for its short landing strip - only 2130 meters, which is barely enough for heavy jets. Because of this, the planes approach the island flying extremely low, right over the beach. Countless photos of large jets flying at 10-20 meters over relaxing tourists at the beach have been dismissed as photoshopped many times, but are nevertheless real."

    6. Re:Old photos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet somebody could take a fishing rod and catch themselves a hell of an undercarriage.

    7. Re:Old photos by Eminence · · Score: 1
      • In fact, there is a bar located right in the flight path of the runway. I just met a guy who came back from there, and said it's quite interesting to have planes landing so close to you.

      Amazing. Turning a nuisance into a selling point. And people buy it.

  20. The Human Brain by smokeslikeapoet · · Score: 1

    Isn't this kind of how the human brain works to identify objects your eye hasn't seen before?

    IANABP, I am not a bio-physicist but it seems very much like artificial intelligence to me.

  21. And for 'lynx' users... by mikael · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... the search engine will support ASCII art image searches.

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  22. Drawing a picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would it be possible to simply draw a picture and have a search be based upon that?
    If you have any skills at drawing, it would be quite a useful tool.

  23. Some relevant research papers by FleaPlus · · Score: 5, Informative

    There's a bunch of interesting papers out there on content-based image analysis and retrieval. Below is a sampling from my bibtex file. Does anyone else have others they'd like to share?

    * Finding Naked People (Fleck et al, 1996)

    * Video google: A text retrieval approach to object matching in videos (Sivic & Zisserman, 2003): web page demo here

    * Names and Faces in the News (Berg et al, 2004)

    * FACERET: An Interactive Face Retrieval System Based on Self-Organizing Maps (Ruiz-del-Solar et al, 2002)

    * Costume: A New Feature for Automatic Video Content Indexing (Jaffre 2005)

    1. Re:Some relevant research papers by XSforMe · · Score: 1

      QBIC is part of IBM's DB2 content manager. It has been available for at least 5 years now, and is now part of a DB2 extender. You can check it out here:

      http://wwwqbic.almaden.ibm.com/

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    2. Re:Some relevant research papers by purple_cobra · · Score: 1

      You saved me a search; after reading the headline I immediately thought of QBIC but the last time I remember even reading about it was in college, and that was some time ago.

    3. Re:Some relevant research papers by Senor_Programmer · · Score: 1

      I attended a lecture back in '96 or '97 given by Ms. Yu at Ga Tech. She demonstrated a LISP program that did a very nice job...

      Following is from http://computing.breinestorm.net/design+retrieval+ image+designers+edu/

      "Diagram Query and Image Retrieval in Design
      Gross, M. and E. Do Proceedings, 2nd International Conference on Image Processing, Crystal City, Virginia, IEEEComputer Society Press, 1995 design machine group University of Washington Seattle WA USA 98195-5720 http://depts.washington.edu/dmachine
      DIAGRAM QUERY & IMAGE RETRIEVAL IN DESIGN Mark D Gross (1) and Ellen Yi-Luen Do (2) (1) College of Architecture and Planning, University of Colorado Boulder, CO 80309-0314 mdg@cs.colorado.edu (2) College of Architecture, Georgia Institute of Technology Atlanta GA 30332-0155 ellendo@cc.gatech.edu ABSTRACT Architectural designers are voracious consumers of visual images, which play a crucial role especially in conceptual and creative design. Consequently architectural education revolves around visual references. Yet key word, texture and color retrieval schemes do not suit designers needs. Designers need shape based retrieval that is driven by free hand drawing, and ways to integrate retrieved images into their design environment. The paper describes Drawing Analogies, an image retrieval scheme for design based on the need for image retrieval that can be integrated with the act of free hand drawing."

    4. Re:Some relevant research papers by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      You can go much earlier if you want - IBM had a system you could buy that we studied in a CS grad class c. '94.

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  24. I for one by kbjnash · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    tried a search for hot midget monkey sex... no hits? WTF?

  25. One more: automatic film character retrieval by FleaPlus · · Score: 3, Informative

    I forgot one more, where specific faces were automatically retrieved from feature-length movies and Fawlty Towers:

    Automatic Face Recognition for Film Character Retrieval in Feature-Length Films (Arandjelovic & Zisserman, 2005)

    The objective of this work is to recognize all the frontal faces of a character in the closed world of a movie or situation comedy, given a small number of query faces. This is challenging because faces in a feature-length film are relatively uncontrolled with a wide variability of scale, pose, illumination, and expressions, and also may be partially occluded. We develop a recognition method based on a cascade of processing steps that normalize for the effects of the changing imaging environment. In particular there are three areas of novelty: (i) we suppress the background surrounding the face, enabling the maximum area of the face to be retained for recognition rather than a subset; (ii) we include a pose refinement step to optimize the registration between the test image and face exemplar; and (iii) we use robust distance to a sub-space to allow for partial occlusion and expression change. The method is applied and evaluated on several feature length films. It is demonstrated that high recall rates (over 92%) can be achieved whilst maintaining good precision (over 93%).

  26. Skin Cancer Detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Talking about greatness to society and a little bit of skin. At university one of my projects was a system that used CBIR to try and diagnose skin cancer. The doctor would take an image of the suspect area it then would be compared against a database of cancers. It would then return a suggested likelyhood of being cancer. It also allowed the doctor to build a history of images allowing easy comparision over time.

    I always felt good about working on projects like this, gives a warm fuzzy feeling.

    1. Re:Skin Cancer Detection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always felt good about working on projects like this, gives a warm fuzzy feeling.

      That's actually a symptom of melanoma. I'm sorry man.

  27. and then we have reverse "Googling" for images.. by dotpavan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Here is a google game which is reverse of google's image search:

    One has to guess the search word which generated a given set of 20 images in google's image search

    When things are moving forward, we have soomthing to talk about "those good ole days" but frankly the game is interesting initially but later gets boring due to the frequent repetitions..

  28. $100 bill image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might have to filter out currency searches- one lousy scan of a dollar bill might give results of high quality color images. There have been enough problems with amatuer counterfeiting already without making it any easier. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting this idea on /. Oh well...

  29. Is it just colour? by Bifurcati · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I just did a quick search based on this image of a Qantas logo (that's the main Australian airline, in case you're wondering...) It's red, with a white kangaroo in the middle. My theoretical aim was to find photos of Qantas planes.

    What I got was an awful lot of red planes - some of which were actually Qantas planes, but I think more by coincidence (i.e., they're red) than design. Many images had nothing to do with Qantas, or even a red plane - they simply had a lot of red in the image.

    This is impressive in some ways, but in others it seems like it's simply looking for similar patches of colour. I haven't done enough testing to see what happens if,say, I gave it a half red half green image.

    Interesting, but not ready for public consumption just yet. A bit like A.L.I.C.E. the artifial intelligence system actually - neat, but not practical. Yet!

    1. Re:Is it just colour? by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      How did it know to search for red planes? Or did it also find red cars?

    2. Re:Is it just colour? by danila · · Score: 1

      I don't believe it claims to find photos that contain the image you reference. It's more like the system is searching for images that are similar to the one one you give overall.

      So the search system went looking for large red triangles on a white backgrounds. Obviously, there were none, so it settled for the next best thing - white non-triangular planes on light blue background or something.

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    3. Re:Is it just colour? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are only planes in the database

    4. Re:Is it just colour? by swiggidy · · Score: 1

      That's what I thought after looking at the sample links. The first one is all black backgrounds. The second is all white forground, blue background. Not a trivial task, but hardly object recognition.

      From the Wikipedia Link:
      Current CBIR systems therefore generally make use of lower-level features like texture, color, and shape
      (By shape they mean shape in the image, not real world shape)

  30. How about: (.)(.) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It had to be said

    Damn filters. "(.)(.)" doesn't work

  31. Great! by SetupWeasel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now I can find all the other naked pictures of Bea Arthur on the web!

  32. eVision? by Polarweasel · · Score: 1

    I guess eVision were just too early to market with their visual search engine. Here's a demo or three of eVe in action.

    It sure was cool, just too far ahead of its time...

  33. Several image viewers do this already by Ezza · · Score: 1

    Programs like GQview (unix/linux) offer functions to search for similar images, mainly used to find duplicates.

    It's not quite "put in an image and find me all the similar ones" but the underlying technology is the same, usually creating some kind of "signature" of each image and then comparing the signatures to find others visually similar.

    Great for de-duplicating your por^M^M^MPhoto Collection.

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  34. IP Enforcement Nightmare by buckhead_buddy · · Score: 1, Interesting
    The Mona Lisa (famous and out of copyright) is often plagarized in whole or in part as part of commercial or satiric artistic works. These types of visual database engines have frequently been explained to me as being able to input the Mona Lisa and get a list of images that used the entirety of the image or just a part (such as the highly-praised subtle smile).

    The big problem to me is specifying input. I know the "look" of the Mona Lisa's smile, but even with the best pen input methods I'd never be able to mimic DaVinci's subtle emotion of the smile; my hands just aren't capable of doing so. Using photos of the painting could simplify this, but this almost assumes that I'm only looking for the parody's and commercial exploiters of the image rather than the image itself (after all, I have the image to start with). And it raises the further issue that many photographic reproductions of the Mona Lisa that I can get my hands on are still under copyright and I'd be doing something legally questionable with an image long in the public domain.

    Add to this the "infinite number of monkeys" issue where legally litigious companies will use technologies like this to scan the internet for litigation targets. Imagine Disney using a cell of Rafiki from the Lion King to find legally similar images that were created after the Lion King was released even if they were only superficially similar. Now do this for all movies back to Snow White or Steamboat WIlly and you could get to be a real visual mob boss with ownership (or at least threat of litigation) over huge libraries of works that weren't even created to intentionally violate Disney "Intellectual Property".

    My need for this technology is small considering the input problems I'd have with my artistic abilities, while the litigation nightmare from large databases of "similar" visual data would seem to be more bothersome than helpful. I rather hope these visual search and categorizing methods don't catch on.

  35. _Mind at Light Speed_ by David Nolte by Kyrka · · Score: 1
    I've not finished it, but I started a book called "Mind at Light Speed" by David Nolte a while back. He describes three stages of machines of light, and I can't do the book justice here.

    However, he put forth the concept of replacing the bit as the common unit of data with actual images - best described as holographic images of light manipulated by light. A picture really _would_ be worth a thousand words in such a system!

  36. You can do this on your desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Download the demo for Taos if you've got a good 3d card. http://www.taos3d.com/

  37. He was my professor, it sucked. by dalamarian · · Score: 1

    Yeah, in my early undergrad days I took a 200 level course for a gen ed requirement of discrete mathmatics. Wang was the professor, and too this day I haven't had a course that was as difficult or completely freaking insane as the one he gave. Glad he is doing more research and less teaching.

    1. Re:He was my professor, it sucked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > and too this day

      And to this day you still suck in English and grammar.

  38. This reminds me of Gibson's Pattern Recognition by WhiteDragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pattern Rcognition is a novel by William Gibson, basically set in the present day or very near future. Image based search plays a central role in the plot. It's a very good read.

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  39. How does it do that? by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was looking at a picture of a plane on that web site and there was a link that said "Click for similar images". And what do you know? It brought up more pictures of planes. This is amazing stuff. How did it understand that I was looking at a picture of a plane?

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  40. more sophisticated than colour matching by jtangen · · Score: 1

    Whatever algorithm they're using, it seems to be sensitve to the horizon line, colour, shading, orientation of the aircraft, etc. It seems to be operating at the level of a pigeon (who have been shown to discriminate photos depicting trees, water, and particular people - as well as art by Picasso and Monet. See http://www.pigeon.psy.tufts.edu/avc/huber for other examples. It will be some time before algorithms can match on the basis of model numbers and such. It took humans quite a while to evolve a cortex to enable such fine discriminations.

    1. Re:more sophisticated than colour matching by tzot · · Score: 1

      It's possible that the algorithm uses Haar transformations (look it up on Google). ImageSeek uses this transformation, and so do I in a custom Python script at work. Results are basically good even if you ignore chromacity (using only luminance).

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  41. I drew a picture... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    of a black and white, really crude shape of a plane from above...
    It actually found pictures that were very similar!!!!

    I'm imagining and interface in google image search that lets me quickly paint a picture then search on that... of course I'm using a wacom tablet, so it's much easier, but with the tablet pc's coming...

  42. open source implementation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check out imgSeek: http://imgseek.sourceforge.net/

  43. I wonder what a search for GW Bush would produce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what an image search for GW Bush would produce, considering that he's the greatest leader the world has seen since Gidget.

  44. FULL THROTTLE! by darkitecture · · Score: 1


    Oh My ${deity}, the noise must be horrific! My ears are hurting just from *looking* at that picture.

    Actually, engines aren't at full throttle during landing, so it's actually not that loud at all :P

  45. There is a GNU project related to this GIFT by capedgirardeau · · Score: 4, Interesting
    From gnu.org:

    The GIFT (the GNU Image-Finding Tool) is a Content Based Image Retrieval System (CBIRS). It enables you to do Query By Example on images, giving you the opportunity to improve query results by relevance feedback. For processing your queries the program relies entirely on the content of the images, freeing you from the need to annotate all images before querying the collection.

    GIFT It worked pretty well for me in the demos they linked too. I have been waiting for this type of application to gain momentum.

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    1. Re:There is a GNU project related to this GIFT by TomDes · · Score: 1

      A research group from RWTH Aachen University has also created a content-based image retrieval system called FIRE which looks pretty good. The system is available under the terms of the GPL, too and is easily extended. A demo is available here .

  46. It works! by t0ny747 · · Score: 0

    Wow it works I sent a picture of a cockpit and I got cockpits back! It took a while but it worked :)

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  47. Sorry, someone else is currently using the system. by Ninwa · · Score: 1

    Got this error when testing out the system, they certainly need to fix this, especially if they want it to become popular.

  48. Would it work for animated .gifs? by Tzarius · · Score: 2, Interesting

    'Coz I'm looking for more information on this image.

    It says "multi lock on" and a date, but all Google reports is other forum posts looking for the creator of the image. Apparently, there's a high-res version of it too.

    1. Re:Would it work for animated .gifs? by fleps · · Score: 1

      Don't actually have any extra bonus information, just larger ("high-res" would be stretching it) version http://gprime.net/images/gifanimation/9.php

    2. Re:Would it work for animated .gifs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've seen that as the sig of someone on the ocremix forums, but he could have taken it from somewhere else

    3. Re:Would it work for animated .gifs? by Tzarius · · Score: 1

      Sweet! Thanks!

      Now to find someone who can I.D. the Asian writing...

    4. Re:Would it work for animated .gifs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://multilockon.hp.infoseek.co.jp/
      The "asian" writing is Japanese.

  49. Eyeball Addressable Image Browser. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.cs.umd.edu/hcil/photomesa/

    "PhotoMesa is a zoomable image browser. It allows the user to view multiple directories of images in a zoomable environment, and uses a set of simple navigation mechanisms to move through the space of images. It also supports grouping of images by metadata available from the file system. It requires only a set of images on disk, and does not require the user to add any metadata, or manipulate the images at all before browsing, thus making it easy to get started with existing images."

  50. False positives by suso · · Score: 2, Funny

    Actually, it will be hillarious what will happen when grandma puts in a picture of her grandson taking a drink from the hose in the backyard.

    Its almost like telling someone to go to whitehouse.com

    1. Re:False positives by Knnniggit · · Score: 1

      Or how about this: my little brother with a garden hose between his legs, struggling to fit a water baloon over the nozzle while water sprays out. I gotta find that picture...

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  51. Apps Already do this. by AgNO3 · · Score: 1

    iView Media pro already does this. You just tell it to find dupes and set the tolerence to loose. http://www.iview-multimedia.com/

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  52. that first one is so pointless by QuantumG · · Score: 1

    why bother making an algorithm that can recognise which images are porn and which are not when you can just set up a web site where people will do it for free? It reminds me of those "enter the characters in this image" tests that places like Yahoo do to ensure you can't sign up for a million email accounts a day. They're so easy to get around cause all you have to do is present the image to a man who wants porn and he'll happily provide his character recognition skills without charge.

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  53. It's db of airplane pictures, they are all similar by skeptictank · · Score: 1
    I clicked on the search for similar pictures link for a 727 and one of the results was a helicopter.

    I guess anyone can get a research grant these days.

  54. Pretty controllable test by omahajim · · Score: 1
    A.net is very stringent on the photos they accept. You can submit hundreds of photos, and get rejected for such things as 'badmotive' (a runway sign blocking a single tire), very mildly soft focus, and lots of other pretty anal things (IMHO). So while the image count they are dealing with is high, the obvious resulting similarity among images will result in a high number of matches.

    Now, do this for something like Google Images or PBase or collections spanning infinite numbers of subjects and image sizes, then I'll get excited.

    No, I've never had a rejection from A.net, I've never submitted there. Two minutes in their forum will tell you how anal their 'screeners' are, for whatever reason. It's just freakin' pictures of airplanes, for chrissakes.

    1. Re:Pretty controllable test by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      It seems that a favorite use of the image similarity search over there at airliners.net is for the spotters to run pix on airline and flightsim sites through the search, to see who on anet has been infringed upon copyright-wise.

      Look up Bombardier in the forums on airliners.net, they have frequently asked a photog for permission to use their photos (for pay), then later say they elected not to use them (and therefore no payment to photog). But then they use the photos anyways without payment or acknowledgement to the photographer.

      So these spotters trawl the web looking for aircraft photos to 'vet' to see if they are stolen from an a.net photographer and band together to stamp out the piracy (sound familiar??????)

    2. Re:Pretty controllable test by Zog+The+Undeniable · · Score: 1
      You can submit hundreds of photos, and get rejected for...lots of other pretty anal things

      But based on the number of pr0n uses already, and predictably, identified in this thread so far, some people might LIKE that sort of thing ;-)

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  55. Re:Search for this image of child murder in Iraq by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As "sickening" as you may find it, children are actually one of the easiest items to produce, and as such one of the easiest items to replace. For instance, the 3 billion USD design of a marginally improved turbine is worth more than the lives of 100 children of the age of 5, considering even a high of 300 000 in productive capacity from unique attributes with perhaps 20 000 worth of productive time spent in emotional raising annually. Compared to 3 000 000 000 + 100 000 000, the 300 000 000 000 entering a burning building for instance it is better to save the plan than the children by practical measures. It is for the same sort of practical measures, over which all war is actually waged and not the smear/glorification campaigns dreamed up afterwards or falsified by hedging comments before or afterwards.

  56. You can tell pretty quickly how they match by skeptictank · · Score: 1

    They are doing it based upon the shades of color in the image. So if you query for a image of an aircraft in flight with a lot of white clouds behind it, you get more of the same, but you also get aircraft parked on snow-covered ground.

  57. Music by sn0wflake · · Score: 1

    So when can we search for music? I'm trying to find this song that goes like "dah daahh, dumpiti, dum dum"? Any answers?

    1. Re:Music by Famanoran · · Score: 1

      'Oh for a Thousand Tongues to Sing' - 1739, so might be a bit older than you wanted... :)

    2. Re:Music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.shazam.com/ will do that for you...

  58. Spotlight by fr3nch13 · · Score: 1

    Imagine if this was incorporated into Spotlight, not having to rename your entire photo library.

  59. Is this a joke? by Daikiki · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've tried two different images of airplanes; one of a bright red flying car on bright green grass and one of SpaceShip One against a deep blue sky. Both times, the results looked surprisingly like my query images in color composition only. Red planes on grass and white planes against a blue sky. Inauspicious start.

    Next experiment: I took a picture of a highly distinctive plane, a harrier, climbing at a steep angle and viewed in profile. I got, in return, a list of passenger jets, and even a helicopter. Hardly surprisingly, all of the result pictures had the same bluish white sky as my original image. That was literally the only similarity.

    According to the introduction on the search page the heuristics used compares colors, contrast and shapes in the images themselves. I saw no correlation whatsoever between shapes, and any correlation in contrast seems to be to be the result of the search engine simply looking for images that contain the same colors in a similar ratio to the original. In short, nothing to see here, move along.

    On the other hand, one of the projects listed under the Penn State University link looks fairly fascinating. The Riemann a-LIP project (automatic linguistic indexing of pictures) doesn't allow user input of images, unfortunately, but it does show some fairly fascinating attempts at verbally qualifying image data. For example, it describes a blue and orange mandelbrot as pattern agate shimer abstract scene, and a sunset over a lake as Berlin Devon Namibia landscape lake scene. Okay, it may still need some work, but it sure beats the hell out of the "find the same color airplane engine".

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    1. Re:Is this a joke? by swiggidy · · Score: 1

      There is a common computer vision story (actually it was a neural network, but it still applies).

      The military wanted to make a box that could tell if a tank was present in the image. So they built this neural network, trained it with a bunch of images. It was tested with more images and the box worked beautifully. Then they took the box out into the field where it failed misearbly. Turns out all the tank pictures were taken on overcast days, and all the non-tank pictures were taken on sunny days. So, all the box could to is tell the difference between a sunny and an overcast day.

  60. pr0n by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now people will finally be able to know the names of those pornstars that they always see in the movies.
    You know, like that guy who's in so many movies.

    I forget his name.......well, now I guess I have a way to find out.... :-p

  61. Re:and then we have reverse "Googling" for images. by omahajim · · Score: 1
    Did a Montage-a-Google for the term "Slashdot" and one of the tiles came up with this:

    http://www.spilth.org/pictures/girls/ceren/jkh-and -babe.jpg

    Impossible!

  62. Oh, you mean like imgseek? by mr_zorg · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh, you mean like imgseek?

  63. Been going on for YEARS... by FatSean · · Score: 1, Informative

    IBM was pushing this in 1996/1997 with DB2 v...uh...4? Didn't work all that well then...and it was just basic shape outlines.

    Pie. Sky. In.

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  64. Re:They would need major manpower to maintain this by seanvaandering · · Score: 1

    some self-proclaim "comdeian" would post either porn pictures

    Porn DOES however, make you spell better!

  65. Requirements by zxflash · · Score: 1

    If image search is going to be the next big thing bots are going to need to crawl deeper and more often... Most engines probably don't have the resources currently to support the extra space/load.

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  66. But what I don't understand is... by triffidsting · · Score: 1

    ...why does it show me pictures of donkeys when I use my school portrait for the search?

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    1. Re:But what I don't understand is... by Senzei · · Score: 1
      ..why does it show me pictures of donkeys when I use my school portrait for the search?

      Hey, just be happy it isn't giving you goatse.

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  67. Oracle interMEDIA does this for a while now? by baziel · · Score: 1

    see http://www.oracle.com/technology/products/intermed ia/index.html (oracle)
    This document was written in 2002 (and that version is as old too)
    I can remember some sales guy saying "You can look for a couch that's like this one. But blue."
    So that means it should do a bit more than just color patches..
    and then there is Google images..

  68. Girl wearing thong looking at something in the air by jerryasher · · Score: 1

    nice thong and an A-340 -- Same beach.

  69. Same beach -- 747 landing (low) by jerryasher · · Score: 1

    747 landing

    This famous pic is the GIS for 747 and beach.

    1. Re:Same beach -- 747 landing (low) by CityZen · · Score: 1

      Wow! And the landing gear isn't even fully down yet!

    2. Re:Same beach -- 747 landing (low) by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 1

      Yes it is. the 747 Gear looks like that so that the rear tires hit before the front tires. If you look, the gear "post" is perpendicular to the plane, while the wheels sit at an angle and straighten out once the plane is actually on the ground.

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  70. This is similar by cancer4xmas · · Score: 1

    This Photo ID has not been indexed in the similarity database yet.

  71. ummm... by Baseclass · · Score: 1

    It just keeps coming up with photos of airplanes.

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  72. Purdue University's 3D Shape Search by karthik_r085 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Purdue also has a 3D shape search. More can be found at Here .

  73. altavista by heatdeath · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm pretty sure altavista had this feature several years ago, but removed it. I remember that it worked fairly well. Does anyone know what happened to it?

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    1. Re:altavista by PigleT · · Score: 1

      I thought they had a `find similar pages' feature, which in the case of images worked by the surrounding text, not by the content of the image per se.

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  74. Professor Wang by dampjam · · Score: 1

    I took Professor Wang's networking class this Semester and have him for databases in the fall. He is a very interesting professor and was in the same class as the people who invented google.

    1. Re:Professor Wang by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hehehehe.

      You said wang.

      *Giggles*

  75. Re:wtf? / CBIR 101 by kd4evr · · Score: 1

    quite right. Color-based retrievals are much easier and cheaper to implement, you know.

    I did my BS thesis in CS/CE on CBIR back in '99 and decided to use interest points instead of color statistics in order to explore the options.

    While color-based CBIR gives very "good" results as far as color match is concerned and human context is therefore many times hit on the spot and sometimes missed altogether, a simple interest points calculation (filtering the image with a double Gaussian etc.) yields "interesting" results, sometimes returning nice hits and sometimes grouping images with shapes that no human soul could count for similar.

    Note that I used and tweaked a method that successfully used when checking for identical images (against forgeries, for example) as a foundation, deliberately, to explore its usefulness in searching for similar images.

    Searching for similar images or checking if identical are actually two quite different things.

    I imagine you would be just as disappointed using my thesis C program, as the field of computer vision, as we called it, was relatively fresh on the subject at the time. I admit I haven't done any further research since, having to make a living, so I'm not sure what's up and cookin' these days...

    Naturally, there are entirely different methods that could serve CBIR purposes (machine learning, neural networks, metadata, text-tags-assisted stuff), but that be a different focus, not the computer vision approach.

  76. Uh-oh. by Shag · · Score: 1
    Given that it apparently has trouble telling the difference between an SR-71, a Chinook helicopter and JFK airport's formerly-TWA terminal, among other things... I think it could use some tweaking.

    Of course, given the usual course of things, it will instead be deployed at JFK's formerly-TWA terminal, assigned facial recognition tasks, and immediately declare everyone to be among the 10-most-wanted terrorists. I can't wait.

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  77. How about just searching for an identical image? by DavidD_CA · · Score: 1

    This is great and all, but I would love for a way to upload a graphic file to a search engine and have it report back any identical (or nearly identical.. perhaps a "threshold" setting) copies on the web.

    This would be useful to me as a photographer to see if anyone out there is using my photos.

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  78. Re:They would need major manpower to maintain this by (.)(.)TNP(c(--)) · · Score: 1

    > This is just asking for trouble. As most of you would probably imagine, some self-proclaim "comdeian" would post either porn pictures, or pictures that resembles porn body position.

    Everyone around here is a "comdeian". I wish everyone on this site would grow up and take things seriously for once.

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  79. Worked on something similar by Sirch · · Score: 2, Informative

    About a year or so ago, I and three other Masters students worked on a similar project at the University of Southampton.

    I've not RTFA (not had the time), but our approach was to split the images into segments (based on colour and texture) which were assumed to be objects. The segments would then be analyzed for various feature vectors, such as shape, texture, colour etc. These vectors would then be added into a database of numbers, and finally the segments grouped, giving a collection of classified sections which (hopefully) represent similar objects.

    From related metadata such as keywords, you could then hope to build up an idea of what keyword matches which section. You could also come up with a relevance between two images, and thus search for similar images.

    We didn't have enough time to make it bulletproof by any means, but our limited results were very promising.

    Sorry I can't find the paper, but we've got some screenshots of the application here and here (you can see false colouring applied to the original image to display the segments)

  80. Some more screenshots by Sirch · · Score: 1

    I've just found some more here and here

  81. Reee diii cuuuu looooooooous ! by Ancient_Hacker · · Score: 1
    Ridiculous.

    Image search will kinda work for airplanes in this database,as there are a very limited set of airplane model numbers, which are going to be attached to each photo.

    But if the database didnt have these text clues the image search is going to be unlikely to see the similarity between an 747 in the air, as seen from the ground, with a head-on view of a 747, or one at the gate, or one in a hangar, or one in twilight, or one of a different color.

    Maybe it could be done by outsourcing the task to India?

  82. Too Literal by suwain_2 · · Score: 1

    I was trying this out a bit, and have to admit that it's cool that something like this exists at all.

    However, I think it would be better if it were able to realize what the 'background' was and filter it out. (Though I couldn't begin to guess how you'd do this.)

    For example, I searched for this image. Many of the results are of something completely different, such as a white jet. Which is nothing like a camo helicopter. But the sky and the ground are pretty similar, and I think that's how it's matching.

    It's incredible that we got this far, but I think there's still a long ways to go before it's at the stage where you put in an image, and are awed at how quickly it works.

    Also note that I'd tend to think this would exponentially more difficult than searching HTML files, so it might be much more expensive to implement large-scale.

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  83. Killer App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Ok, let's admit it... which of us wouldn't like a search engine where you could paste in a picture of your cute neighbor/friend/co-worker and find porn images of people who closely resemble her/him?

    (And yes, I'm posting this anonymously even though I have a registered account...)

  84. Sound search would be useful! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whistle or hum a tune in your microphone and have google fetch it.

    Great for when you hear a tune on the radio and want to know the name.

    Someone will make it some day, and when they do I want the royalties I am due.

  85. Think lawsuits... by kandresen · · Score: 1

    The first thing I though of when seeing this was the next wave of law-suits.

    Search for images you created, and you will find all kinds of similar/duplicate images.

    Lots of web-sites uses images gotten from other sites, may modify them slightly, however much of the images is based upon images found on the net.

    A program like this is likely to be popular among lawyers and design power houses.

  86. End of an Era: R.I.P. whitehouse.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its almost like telling someone to go to whitehouse.com

    "It's".

    Also, whitehouse.com isn't a porn site any more. It's now some stupid real estate site.

  87. This tale has old roots... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    There is a common computer vision story (actually it was a neural network, but it still applies).

    Actually, this story (the veracity of I do not know) predates our modern concepts of "neural networks" - that is, multi-layer networks of nodes (typically three - input, output, and intermediary layers), in which the nodes simulate neurons via weighted thresholds and other mechanisms for "firing" an output based on inputs aggregated over time and/or frequency - coupled with back-propagation "learning"...

    Instead, the story seems to have popped up soon after the introduction of, in the late 1950's to early 1960's - of the ideas behind the perceptron, the direct precursor to modern neural networks. Historical perceptrons could be conceptually visualized as simple, single layer neural networks.

    So, your original statement applies, but I wanted to clarify where and how this story seems to have originated (computer science, on the whole, seems to be one area of research where almost nobody knows, remembers, nor seems to care - about its history, thus we seem to be forever reinventing the wheel in many areas). You find it brought up as an apocryphal story everywhere in liturature about neural networks, seemingly no matter how far back you go, until you get into the Minsky era (late 1950's - early 1960's) of such machines.

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  88. Ob. Bash Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It will be interesting if we ever get to a stage where we can just search for a random object (or person) in a database of photos. Then you could take pictures of everything with an always-on camera and if you need to find where you put your car keys, just do a search.

    #1660: [DigiGnome] Real life should have a fucking search function, or something.
    [DigiGnome] I need my socks.

  89. CBIR is the same problem as AI by HuguesT · · Score: 1

    In general image understanding is equivalent to general AI. We won't get a CBIR system that works well before we get an AI that works and vice versa, because people expect to be able to match the *content* of the image they submit as template and not the general appearance of the image. The problem is then too unspecified.

    Even in the restricted context of aeroplanes this is not a trivial problem. Someone in the list of replies submitted an image of a warthog (A-10) and got nonsensical results. Somehow the CBIR system would need to be able to infer a model of the A-10 from a given random 2D projection, and match it to the other 2D projections of the same A-10 model that they do have in the DB. This doesn't sound impossible but it is hard, and I suspect the Penn State people didn't do that. Instead they are probably matching on colour, texture, general appearance, etc.

    This is not to say that CBIR is not a nice problem to apply new image processing/image analysis algorithms to, which are developed all the time.

  90. Video loops etc by AaronCampbell · · Score: 1

    When this becomes a little more refined, it will be nice to apply to frames of video to assist in creating video loops. For example, you mount a camera near the coast, and get 3 hours of footage of the waves crashing against the rocks. You want to make a nice loop of that, which can play indefinitely, but you want to avoid that 'jump' that always seems to occur. Find small sections of the movie where say...10 frames in a row are similar to 10 other frames... It'll take out a lot of the usual pain.

  91. And me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Like seemingly everyone else heree I also worked on an Image Searching tool for my group project during my Undergrad at Glasgow.

    For possibly the worst report of all time, in both web presentation and actual content, see here: http://tlc.dcs.gla.ac.uk/students/level3/imagedb/

  92. photo stiching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this will work great for photo stiching mosaics.

    It finds pictures looking similar to the pixel ranges you want.